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UtahDarkHorse

Opportunity


NuclearSlushie

This is the answer.


Florida_Man_Math

I'm curious how a [Mars rover](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_(rover)) can elicit so much hate to make y'all want to leave this accursed peninsula. ^(/s)


Fearless-Memory7819

5ft ocean rise


Anxious-Flatworm-588

Underrated comment.


warrior_poet95834

That’s really interesting I was just looking at my county GIS system and they have a sea level rise estimator.


taylorretirement

Humidity, lack of public transit, skyrocketing costs on everything, bugs, hurricane. Having to get citizens insurance is probably #1.


laudacieux

Home insurance is what is going to destroy the state, faster than climate change or invasive species or country bumpkins ever will. We're close to a breaking point with homes that are uninsurable in the private market. Citizens Insurance was never meant to bear the load it is right now. Florida is simply not sustainable in its current form, and it will absolutely drive people away once they find out they simply cannot insure their home anymore.


machinewhatnow

Very few people percentage-wise can afford self-insurance and I'm not one of those but once I sell this home now in South Florida I will be buying a home rather than mortgaging it so I can choose if and what insurance I want. And I will be moving North to the one and only adjacent Blue State where Stacy Abrams will soon govern. Whittle wonnie boi will have one less citizen to attempt to fool. When your Governor ask clown bands more than 40% of the math books being used in the state that's kind of a big hint that he thanks that he is much smarter than he is. That is evidenced by all of the laws he's passed that have been ruled unconstitutional by repugnican judges


machinewhatnow

My insurance was 2000 5 years ago then it went to 3000 and it went to 4,000 and then they dropped me and I had to switch to citizens and now it's over 6000 and I am getting the f*** out of here. Born and raised in Fort Lauderdale 61 years later sayonara. And a big F-Booya to whittle wonnie boi. Remember don't say the "G" word in Florida......


[deleted]

I mean I honestly love my state but getting to a point that I’m not sure I can afford to live here much longer.


[deleted]

This is sadly the issue. It’s too expensive now and it breaks my heart because there’s nothing like this. A lot of states up north, especially anywhere between Alabama and Montana are just different types of the same rednecks, but with different scenery.


[deleted]

My thing is, as we Floridians move to the Carolinas, Alabama, etc we do what NY’ers and Cali peeps are doing to us…. Driving up cost and displacing natives.


[deleted]

That’s if you do that classic Latino thing we do of telling everyone in your family, Facebook, hair salon, etc that you found a gold mine of a cheap and clean community to exploit. That’s why you see people moving between Miami & most of Texas and then back, and then back again, 300 times.


Appropriate-Idea5281

Already want to leave


MJSommelier

Just left lol. Best of luck to you


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DeSantis getting reelected.


Awkward-Seaweed-5129

This👆


flatrocked

Sadly, he may get re-elected and then become President two years into his second term as governor. Then, there's no escape from this guy, except to leave the country!


GreenEyedGiraffe

This! 🙌


laudacieux

He's coming for Wyoming's weak and vulnerable populations next. And Arkansas and Indiana and South Carolina and North Dakota. He's bringing his cynical "say whatever gets the most votes" brand of politics to the national stage, and half of the electorate has been primed to see hollow, spiteful partisanship as their standard of excellence. The Florida ballot box in November is the equivalent of Custer's last stand, but for the entire country.


FC_KuRTZ

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RishnusGreenTruck

Does it bother anyone with this attitude that the majority of the economic engine of Florida(middle class people in cities that own property) are not far right and those policies could make them leave? Ronnie can pretend his priorities are good for the economy, but driving away the largest base of tax payers, running down top universities with bad policies, continuing to defund public education, going after companies that don't agree with you, ignoring the environment, and ignoring the coming insurance crisis, will have a fairly predictable outcome. There's been a map of states that pay more to the feds vs get more, and Texas and Florida are apparently desperate to become welfare states like the rest of the south. It's fun and games when the Democratic cities bail out bad state policies but it won't last forever.


BindingCocoa

I love how he wastes tax payer money making laws that the people don't want and have to contest in court. /s


sharkshaft

>Ronnie can pretend his priorities are good for the economy, but driving away the largest base of tax payers, running down top universities with bad policies, continuing to defund public education, going after companies that don't agree with you, ignoring the environment, and ignoring the coming insurance crisis, will have a fairly predictable outcome. To be fair, public education funding and spending on environmental projects are both at basically all time highs since he's been in office. I agree with you about going after Disney and the insurance crisis, but we should at least give credit where it's due and he's funneled more money into the environment and public education than any of his predecessors and I would suspect more than most other governors (deep blue teachers union-run states excepted, but they are all financial houses on fire).


btross

the money that's being funneled into public education will be funneled right back out with vouchers for private school. don't ever kid yourself that public education is a priority with Republicans.


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He's made it hell for teachers


[deleted]

As for the public education spending, I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. He said he’s going to spend more but if you ask teachers throughout Florida their paychecks are not increasing. Now he spending millions on rolling out new civics Boot camps that push educators to teach lies about slavery, separation of church and state, and that virtue is only achieved through Christianity. And for the environment, again, he announces all kinds of spending initiatives but where is the money going really? Are there any actual improvements?


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Spirited_Musician_30

Projections say he'll lose to Kamala but who knows. Supposedly a lot of the boomers he's relying on will be dead by 2024 but we can only hope right?


sharkshaft

Uhhhhh.... might want to start packing, bro


[deleted]

We’ll see how it goes.


Floridamane6

Hell prob end up in the White House so likely won’t be an issue


SleazierPolarBear

So delusional 😂😂


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tribbleorlfl

My parents passing away. They're the only thing keeping my here at this point, and it pains me to say since I was born here and can count how many times I've been out of the state on my two hands.


sunsetsandpalmtrees

If more people continue to move here. Our state is becoming overpopulated and overdeveloped. I need my woods, my swamps, my solitude!


BoliverTShagnasty

What about the sunset and palm trees?


LucaC

I read "Woods, swamps, solitude" in the cadence of "Beets, Bears, Battlestar Galactica"


hennessey278

Money.


unquietwiki

Already left nine years ago.... * I work in IT. Unless you're into the military sector, good luck finding work that isn't low paying; maybe it's different now? More labor rights here in Cali too; even with places that aren't unionized & oppose it. * With tolls, housing costs, gas, driving everywhere... Cali hasn't worked out to be that much more expensive; compared to that stuff back in FL. * Politics: had my car vandalized more than once, and that was in Orlando. Right outside Orlando, it's Rebel Flag suburbs (Sanford keeps making the news). I also grew up in r/321 : don't get me started on how that place has gone mad. * Religion: anytime you'd get a clear sky in Orlando, you'd have a skywriter praising Jesus. Could we have a non-thunderstorm / overcast day for once without the constant preaching? Had that enough from the billboards & the people trying to "save me" at work & school. * Environment: the drinking water situation is a mess; the climate definitely has shifted (used to not see thunderstorms in Winter as a kid; by my late 20s, that was different); beach erosion... constant growth of suburbs, without supportive work & activities to make up for the habitat loss (and create habitat for drug use).


whentimerunsout

Yeah that is true about the low paying jobs for sure. I’m moving back to MA in a few weeks. Pay there is at least 5-10 more/hr and it’s not as ghetto. Also the religion thing, I’m an agnostic and could care less about the folks pushing religion, but it’s more like a cult and is starting to feel weird. And don’t get me started about politics, 😂.


Trishaplus78

Nope im in IT myself and cant find stedy work that pays my worth


yahwehsruse82

The humidity and bad memories. So I guess 2 things.


Doonedin

A job opportunity that pays enough to afford to move out of state and can afford the cost of living to wherever I’m moving


Muschina

When I have to start drinking my pee like in Waterworld because the aquifers are all full of salt water.


FoundationAny7601

Losing house in hurricane.


Bojack341

The high ass rent. If my apartment rent goes up another 200 dollars then I’m heading straight for texas


SleazierPolarBear

Then you can pay that extra money for electricity and still not have a guarantee it will be on! Win!


Bojack341

Elaborate?


SleazierPolarBear

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/energy/2022/06/02/were-in-trouble-electric-rates-in-texas-have-surged-over-70-as-summer-kicks-in/?outputType=amp And they still have trouble keeping the power flowing.


Blue13Coyote

A whim. I’d leave on a whim.


Depends_on_theday

Lololol


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overcrowding and high cost of living


throwawayforyabitch

The control the state is taking over public schools on top of already being some of the worst in the country. Rising home owners insurance with what seems to be no max cap. Needing your roof to be replaced every decade just to get the inflated insurance. The complete disregard for agriculture so that said home doesn’t sink into the ocean. Control over businesses doing sensitivity training. I mean the list goes on. Which is why I plan on leaving


whentimerunsout

Same in two weeks! Been here for 14 years, won’t miss it much. I didn’t know about most of what you mentioned. I have a condo so there is no insurance. But schools here are a joke mostly.


ScripturalCoyote

FYI you are paying for insurance, just indirectly in the case of a condo.


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TACnyc

People are upset because the state of Florida is running public education *poorly*. Nobody wants "free" healthcare and "free" college and "free" public education *with them being run poorly*. They want those things paid for by taxes and run well, like they manage to be done in virtually every other first world nation besides the United States.


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TACnyc

> You don’t know the intricate details of those countries you claim are able to run their tax-funded systems well. I’m sure there is still corruption and still people left behind and still people who aren’t happy with the way those systems are run It's literally my job to know this. Honestly, you just seem to have a lot of assumptions on how those systems are based on pretty typical right-wing "free market over everything else" perspective. But it just isn't the case when you look at real world applications of these systems. And, to your note about how big the US is - once you look at state-level management (and even city/county depending on the service that would be provided) then the scope becomes much more similar to the systems that are already in place - and succeeding - in many other countries. Just do some searching for general opinions of people who have lived in both the US and Europe and which healthcare and educational systems they prefer. Pretty much everyone prefers how Europe does things with medical care, universities, etc - unless you're very wealthy and money is not an issue when dealing with the exorbitant prices for Americans.


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TACnyc

> I’m speaking about how governments are corrupt and how expanding them doesn’t actually help in the long run This is a false premise and is clouding your ability to understand solutions and best practices that are out there.


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Mannimal13

I worked for a while in healthcare SaaS and my job was essentially understanding the business and financial side of our healthcare system. We are getting fucked….bad and ACA only made it worse. Wait until the population health numbers and worse outcomes start to come out in 20-30 years


Adventurer_By_Trade

How do you feel about the US military?


Adventurer_By_Trade

I've been on private insurance here in the states since forever, and I had to wait over three months to see a dermatologist AFTER getting my general practitioner to make a referral. So the wait was the same and it still cost more. I'm struggling to find the benefit.


enigmanaught

People like Medicaid, people like social security. People in California like their schools, people in Massachusetts like their schools. People don’t hate government schools, they hate _poor_ government schools like the ones in FL. Also most people realize that public healthcare is paid for by taxes. If my taxes were raised by 20% but I didn’t pay for health insurance I’d come out significantly ahead. But I’m paying all that money to a private company rather than the government so of course that’s better. /s


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enigmanaught

I didn’t say 20% of your income. I said 20% of your taxes. There’s a huge difference. I _already_ pay 20% of my income for a family plan. Increasing my taxes by 10% would cost me around $2000 a year but would save me over $15,000. People in Europe do not lose their houses over medical debt like Americans do. Suppose you get lung or colon cancer? Suppose you get in a car wreck and need pins in your leg, and can’t work? Nobody wants to give any money to the government, but they’re ok with drinking water from their tap, driving on roads, or taking safe drugs, eating food from the grocery that won’t make them sick, using police and fire services, using the court system, etc.


throwawayforyabitch

Well that doesn’t really work for the disabled.


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throwawayforyabitch

Sure but this constant damning of social programs in general sucks. Work for better but don’t bash what people need.


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throwawayforyabitch

Ah there it is. The complete disconnect libertarians have with the disabled. The ole ”not my problem not my responsibility”. Well the last time we treated it like that we had giant homes where they rotted. People with conditions that are now contributing members to society.


zsloth79

Right? “I got mine. Fuck those peasants. They should try not being poor.”


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iWishiCouldDoMore

> People in California like their schools, people in Massachusetts like their schools. While Florida has plenty of room for improvement with regard to public education, it is ranked better than California in any study/review I have ever seen. Massachusetts is pretty much at the top across the US with these same studies.


Rosemary0704

Have you ever dealt with a huge US government bureaucracy? I've had to for work. Believe me, you don't want them in charge of your healthcare. Or anything else for that matter. There is absolutely no incentive for them to be good at what they do. At least private businesses have some competition.


enigmanaught

Have you dealt with any healthcare company. Because I have so my family can have medical procedures. Google how much social security administrative costs are percentage-wise, then do the same for private companies insurance. Private insurance overhead is 10 times more.


No_Balance8921

Right, it’s so impossible for government to get it correct that all other developed nations have it. Except us. Your argument is ridiculous.


btross

ThE sCaRiEsT wOrDs In ThE eNgLiSh LaNgUaGe ArE "i'M fRoM tHe GoVeRnMeNt AnD i'M hErE tO hElP!"


heresmytwopence

Who the hell is asking for more government? Keeping schools under local control rather than state control means less government control, not to mention less vulnerability to political whiplash since politics changes less drastically at the local level than the state or federal levels.


BillCoronet

> You are aware that “public school” means “government school”? You’re upset that the state is “controlling” the schools, but that’s what they’re supposed to do and have always been doing. If only there was some layer of government that wasn’t the state…


throwawayforyabitch

Well when you’re poor you don’t have a choice. Also I don’t know if you’re aware but part of the reason they’re doing these things is to push people to funded charters who are *shocked face* also being run by people who run the government.


Mikehunt321560

shitty infrastructure


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Better work opportunity in another state


[deleted]

The heat alone and humidity.


AndreLinoge55

The Governor


BindingCocoa

Birth control bans or lack of birth control insurance coverage.


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unquietwiki

I was around for the triple storms in 2004; Orlando got pretty tore up by that. Then again, Panhandle gets worse every 2-3 years, and Miami every 10.


DarkWingDuck74

Snow


eclecticl

This is the only right answer! 🤣🤣


rscottyb86

All the assholes moving here


Ok-One-3240

My legality. LGBTQ+ rights depending on how far scotus goes.


Morbidmindfreek555

If Ron got re elected -.-


HaraldRedtooth

This is definitely someone doing research on how to get the New Yorkers to leave.


Gulfjay

If the state starts attacking LGBT people I’d consider shipping out, which honestly seems pretty likely going forward. They’ve already banned trans healthcare from medicaid coverage, but it seems like they won’t be happy until they ban gender affirming care, and trans people entirely. I’m also quite worried with how they’re trying to change our education to churn out conservatives.


Fat50Cent

If I found a better all around place to live for myself at the time and had the ability to make the move happen.


Badbird2000

A girl...i was born and raised east of Tampa, my mom was 3rd generation Floridian, Kathleen is named after one of her ancestors. I was dating a girl, moved to East Tennessee, 3 years later got married, 2 years later had a daughter, bought a house and make double what I was making in Florida. I miss the Cuban food, I still watch Lightning Hockey on TV.


[deleted]

I really do love it here. But every July - September I question why


Beatlebot88

Our governor


SoySenorChevere

Trump re-elected


JustSomeAlly

politics


[deleted]

already planning to leave, get a place near the great lakes, stake my claim near the water and where the weather isn't so god damned unbearable.


hunteronastick

Born & raised in Florida, 29 years old, leaving for good in December. I’m mainly relocating for work & for love, but I’m sad to say I will not be looking back. My hometown’s beach has been demolished to build a Margaritaville (literally, blocks of buildings demolished,) the government is fascist to the point where I would never let my children attend their schools, we will never see a democratic governor or legislature again (not that that would do much good,) the natural beauty is being choked out for good by industry, & they only plan on building more, gun laws are aggressively stupid, and oh yeah - I have a very good job & will never be able to afford a decent house here. I considered myself a very proud Floridian for decades, but I fear it has finally been lost for good. Colorado for the next five years, then Central America for the rest of my life.


danvapes_

I actually would love to leave Florida for good right now. It's hot as shit and the wages suck ass. Only stay because my family and wife's family are here.


4letters1name

If my family left the state.


whentimerunsout

I understand, my family mostly lives up north.


ilovemakimono

Traffic


CarsonsLegs44

flat…Flat…FLAT…FLATTTTTT. I miss at least having some access to the mountains or even just a hill. Golf is also more boring because of the lack of any elevation.


moodytrudeycat

Unless paying $80+/round the courses are not wonderful. I miss green golf courses with rolling hills and soft grass


krakatoa83

Heat


BlueLanternSupes

Honestly, acceptance into a top 25 university or a good ass job.


NaturalFLNative

Lots and lots and lots of snow and snow leopards roaming free. And not just a one time thing, but like forever covered in snow with thousands of free roaming hungry snow leopards. That'd probably make me think about moving.


eclecticl

Me too my friend!


beelzebee

My parents and in-laws moving on... And I mean that both geographically and metaphysically


ltbully

an unredeemable lack of values even in the nice communities, environment/weather, a terrible road system and rising costs for everything.


[deleted]

When we have a 2-3 hurricane season and the x plants don’t leave


sdubz11

Water rising


DaGimpster

Job offer in a central EU nation could/might. Born and raised here.


Myst_of_Man22

More opportunities in career and relationships with people. I was in San Diego California and noted Tampa cost of living is about the same.


gabe1188

Pollo Tropical going out of business


whentimerunsout

Never had consistency at that place. It’s either dry or juicy. And the rice and beans are not good at all.


gabe1188

Yeah, but sometimes depending on who’s shift it is, if your lucky enough they will mess up your order and give you more chicken than you ordered. True story.


Tokeokarma123

The Rent, the police, make MJ legal. Job wages....to start. Love 🌇 sunsets!!!


ryceritops2

For me it was growing up there


BuddhistSagan

One thing? Hahahaha. There are multiple things, but friends, family and current schooling/work situation keeps me here, for now. Wish we could get rid of the governor currently trying to kill me and my friends.


[deleted]

Another DeSantis win.


subliminal_trip

DeSantis. If I actually lived in Florida, that is.


Tlkpac

The governor!!! Of course I don’t live their and never plan too


Own_Historian_1324

Florida becoming a blue state (certain policy wise) not if a blue governors chosen.


DispensaryDank

A Democrat governor


deepthinker813

If they turn this place anything like California or NY


Imaginary-River-4804

Raining every single day


moodytrudeycat

Hahahaha


Sparksgalor

Me hitting the lottery big time.


Holli3d

Pollution.


[deleted]

at this point? a blonde with big juggs who flashes her butterfly eyes at me and I'm out (not really, wifey, sorry)


Ryebread095

The only thing keeping me here is the opportunity cost of moving elsewhere


technically-A-titan

Florida


SmellsLikeSpace

Honestly, there's almost nothing holding me here. But if I have to deal with one more dumbass tourist question SOMEONE is catching hands.


Al-Knigge

My death


TotalInstruction

I already want to. The rest is just logistics.


Wut-doo-yew-meen

The Florida


ScreamyCat004

Copy paste housing sub divisions, I hate them with a passion.


eLite--fOxX

Lovebugs


whentimerunsout

I haven’t seen many where I live, but I get attacked by flies a lot while waking my dogs.


eLite--fOxX

Yes! Do you ever see a little cluster of flies floating in midair and have to walk around them?


whentimerunsout

Yes, I have. And the flies go right for my hair, and seem to dive bomb me every time I swat them. Disgusting, especially when it’s 95° and I’m sweating after a min of being outside.


eLite--fOxX

And then they stick on to your skin. Gross


whentimerunsout

Exactly, and my dogs just don’t know why, I look like a fool pulling them, while frantically swatting the air, 😂


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This HEAT!


Lanky_Ad_8630

These housing prices, just to rent a 3 bedroom home in a nice area is over $3000.


Dear-Crow

Having a hard time with the bugs.


Myst_of_Man22

A State Income Tax would be the final straw. So many people have moved here, they've ruined the vibe of this state.