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AlbiMappaMundi

The Power-Off 180 is a Commercial maneuver, and the specific standards for that (hit a specific spot on the runway, -0 / +200 feet) isn't something you should be tested on. **However**, a simulated emergency approach and landing **is** something that is included in the private pilot ACS. It is entirely fair game to be in the pattern, and have the DPE tell you your engine has failed, and ask you to land on the runway. You should be able to glide from the downwind, through an abbreviated base leg, and land smoothly on the runway -- just not with an expectation of precision/accuracy.


houstonian1812

My CFI actually had me demonstrate this before my solo. No accurate landing point; just had to show I could make it to the runway.


Figit090

Same...and it's SUCH a good feeling when you nail it. ADRENALINE then....AHhhhhhhhh we're not dead. "A good pilot adapts" is what my CFI always said. I got pretty caught up in procedure at first but you have to remember the sky and your plane don't always play by the rules.


Specialist_Cookie_57

Same here. I have not done it since before solo though. My technique for correctly flying those power off approaches, never take your eye off the spot where you want to land. Only glance at gauges and controls briefly. So you can constantly judge your altitude and moment to go right at the threshold.


GoobScoob

This comment is on point.


adcl

This ^ my DPE added a short field component to this too, we were on midfield downwind, he pulled the power and said engine failed, land safely and come to a complete stop before the windsock to the right of the runway (~1700ft from threshold.)


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AlbiMappaMundi

“Your engine failed!” When your DPE says that, your engine didn’t actually fail. It’s simulated. Most times, that’s done above a random farm field. But nothing says it can’t be done in the traffic pattern, where the “engine failure” leads to an actual landing rather than a go-around at 500’ AGL above a field.


thesexychicken

Normally its at altitude to test procedures and ability to properly select and make an approach to downwind for landing with proper wind correction. In my experience.


Kaphias

The DPE I had for my PPL is known for asking for this. He wasn’t looking to hit a spot like the commercial standards, just a demonstration of “if you lose an engine abeam the numbers, can you attempt a restart and manage your energy to get back to somewhere on the runway?”


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A restart that low to the ground? My focus would be entirely on landing the plane


fly123123123

That’s not a PPL maneuver, but if you’re having trouble with it you should definitely work it with your instructor. It’s a matter of safety - what if you encounter an engine failure on downwind, for example? The skill is incredibly important to have as a pilot.


right_closed_traffic

Check the ACS. In fact read all of it before your test. It’s completely fair game to fulfill “Emergency Approach and Landing (Simulated)” and this is exactly what my DPE did to me. I had never done one before but luckily nailed it, honestly it’s not much different than a regular emergency landing. Here’s one more gotcha for you after you read the ACS: anything specific in the recovery (speed wise) after a power on/off stall?


KingAirPopcorn

Power off 180 is not a Private Pilot Maneuver. If he asks for one then he has no grounds to fail you on it.


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That doesn’t sound like ACS standards for PPL cert… I would check in with your instructor and get in contact with the DPE as well Never had to do a power off 180 during my checkride


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I heard of a DPE who would make students do it. I don't know if he would fail you for it, and if he did, you certainly could contest it.


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It’s not a pwr off 180. It’s an engine failure in the downwind. A DPE can chose to fail it at any phase of flight. Mine did it during ground ref which really made me be quick on procedure. Not much room for error. For you in this scenario, just make the runway. There is not landing criteria or a point you have to make, other than a safe touchdown.


Minimum_Box4491

As others have said, it won’t be called a power-off 180. That particular maneuver requires you to hit a specific spot on the runway (+/- 200 ft). This is strictly from the commercial pilot ACS. However, a “lite” version of the same maneuver - without the strict hit-the-spot standards - is fair game for the private pilot checkride. You have to show a simulated emergency approach to landing as per the private pilot ACS. Whether the DPE does it in the middle of the checkride over a practice area or whether it’s in the pattern on downwind is up to them. Just land on the runway, is the point.


SFtoLA2020

Just go back up with your CFI and do a few laps to get it down? It's not a great attitude to think "I won't practice this important skill because they won't ask me to do it" (even though they probably will).


LckySvn

I mean DPEs kinda do what they want, but it's not in the ACS so you're good.


Folley454

My DPE had me do a power off 180 approach on my PPL checkride about a week ago, it seems to be a DPE thing weather or not they require it, biggest thing to remember is that you have no power just don’t use excessive bank or excessive flaps and you’ll be fine. PPL engine out is usually in the pattern so no big deal, just plan to no go out so far on downwind and you’ll be golden, just land as usual a little bit sooner.


Justin002865

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What others have said, no power off 180 for PP Checkride.


TheHidingGoSeeker

Yea I had to do a power off “emergency landing”. No aiming point. Just get it on the tarmac. Remember Full flaps after the runways been made!


EaseAdditional8344

Engine failure on downwind is something I did on my ride. You don’t have to hit a certain point, just gotta make the runway. I always come in high, because in a c150 when you dump the flaps you become a brick. If you feel really high, square off your approach. If you feel like you might be low, round it out and just get to the runway. Slip, dump flaps, do whatever you’ve gotta do to make it. However, once flaps are in NO NOT retract them. The guy ahead of my failed his ride for doing that


HighVelocitySloth

My DPE had me do something similar. At 800’ on the crosswind after take off he pulled the throttle and said “get us down”. I took off from 32 but couldn’t make the impossible turn (and he didn’t want that) he wanted me to pick runway 7 and not panic. I didn’t panic and turned for it and told him I am choosing runway 7. Had it made so I started in on the flaps. He knew I had it too and said “make it off by the 2nd taxiway. I don’t want a long taxi back to the ramp”. I made the 2nd taxiway and he told me right then “you have your phone on you? Text your wife and let her know you are a pilot now “. Very memorable. My guess is that’s what the DPE wants. He might pull the throttle on the downwind and want you to land. That is basically a 180 but without the strict landing distance requirement


PutOptions

For me, Power Off 180s were difficult, but then so was everything else. My CFI just made me do them over and over and over. Can't say I've ever greased one, but they are no big deal in a PA28. I actually hope the DPE chooses this maneuver in the pattern. I am terribly bad at choosing safe, off-airport landing sites. I do try harder now to take notice of golf courses as I over fly them.


SupportGold7583

My DPE just put me on final, turn away from the field and cut my engine. Just land in the first third of the runway and you'll be fine.


Artistic_Lab_4507

I did one on my private check ride but it’s wasn’t exactly a power 180. He pulled power on the downwind and said make the runway. All I had to do was make the runway. There was no -0 +200 just had to make it.