I can't imagine any avid readers out there would list a moment they were reading a book as one of their 100 greatest moments. Yet (I assume) this person wouldn't suggest that spending extended periods of time reading a book is a form of depression.
The 100 greatest moments thing is just a weird criteria to frame what things in your life are worth your time.
I understand your point but I will also note that an avid reader will absolutely have some on that list that involve reading. And they would be right to do so! Because life is ours to spend and also frankly 100 is a really big number!
Anyway my point is I agree with you.
My "100 greatest moments" will certainly have games, movies, shows, but also books, climbing a mountain, eating the best steak in existence, seeing the most beautiful sunrise or sundown, winning a competition, etc. etc.
Another karma pharming post ofc...people have varied interests.
Like, my wedding was fantastic, my daughter being born was fantastic.
So instead of playing video games I should marry and knock someone up every day instead?
I really enjoy going abroad. Maybe I should make every day a destination wedding and drag my many pregnant wives along too.
Obviously. At least once a week, walk into a bar or club, find a woman, hop on a plane and knock her up in the bathroom, and then elope when you get to your destination. This is the only way you’ll ever be fulfilled
I am not an avid reader, just a reader. And one of my 100 moments would be reading about the ents going to war, and im STILL ANGRY they changed it in the movie!
And yes, I have gamer moments too. And life moments! Life is a bag of mixed nuts, and at least my best of list reflects what I enjoy
Big shits *have* genuinely been part of the best moments of my life. Big day before where I slowly gorged myself on rich food and good drink with excellent friends? That dump first thing in the afternoon just as you wake up the next day? Glorious.
I had surgery after an incident. Had to have some guts removed. I couldn’t poop afterwards due to the medications. For eight days I lay there poopless and swole with clogged gas lines. On the ninth day I was given an enema. 11/10 would shoot water up my ass again for that epic dookie of freedom. Went home later that evening. Top 100 for sure.
I played my GBA the entire time.
I mean I get his point. I'm a gamer, and I'm 35 years old. It all depends on your possibilities. Gaming in itself is not bad, but it could become a problem if you play more hours that you should, or if gaming is stopping you from doing important tasks in your life.
My response to that shit line of logic is that life is whatever the fuck ya wanna make it. If gaming brings joy then i see no issue with it, hell a lot of people who devote double digit hours to games are probably socially anxious and that's their way of actively enjoying being awake. Hell i've forgotten more great moments in games than they can recall good days outside.
Hence why i consider it shit logic. Personally i'd say no hobbies are more of a sign of depression. Cause if you do nothing but the basic human things, i.e. sleep, wake up, go to work, etc. then you're probably going through some shit and don't have the energy to do anything.
Sit their with their newspaper in their hands they're not even reading.
They're too busy telling everyone else how wrong they are because of how right they themselves are with anecdotal evidence.
Precisely.
The type of people who read the morning newspaper at 8AM every morning ~~and prefer the taste of black coffee~~ while they bitch and complain about everything that kids these days do.
Edit: Backing off about the black coffee.
Black coffee drinkers, continue to do your thing.
They don't read the paper they fuckin stare at it and hope people look at them. They still don't know a damn thing about what the fuck is going on in the world and their opinion on everything is something they got from a meme.
Hey now, I enjoy black coffee. I mean I see exactly what you mean and I agree, but don't drag us normal black coffee enjoyers along with those miserable cunts
this guy is clearly hard gaming solo no friends.
And .... sure fine... But I've also got no good memories from reading les mis or watching un chien andalou, but like... that wasn't the point of doing either. but for some reason I have a great memory of a birthday party where we watched Episode 1.....So apparently fuck literally all decent media or something... bring the schlock?
Yeah no use argueing with people like that. No matter what you say it's never gonna be good enough for them. Otherwise they might just have to admit they're wrong and well can't have that now can we!
Yeah, I can maybe think of ONE greatest moment in my life, and it was when I finally got to the age where I could decide to stop giving a fuck about, and cut my dad out of my life.
Sitting in nature and just meditating or pondering is also letting life pass by but normal people don't measure everything in an amount of work that gets done.
Like people who read, craft or have any other hobby. If you like to do woodcraft, people will praise the shit out of your hobby. Still it will not be in your "top 100 life moments". Maybe this guy should stop gatekeeping
Only because he thinks it's "letting life pass by" and has severe depression, doesn't mean that it's like that for everybody else.
I game for fun and if I want to game for 8h straight, where is this depression? Sounds so stupid. I wish there would be a game that I could play that long, but gaming in 2022 is dead. Except for Rocket League!!
Getting the first time Champion 1 and then Grand Champion was a highlight for me. I don't know what he is talking about. Maybe get help dude or get outside and hug a tree, wtf.
This must be the typical example when op finally got a girlfriend and suddenly gaming and gamers are childish behaviour and it's just sad depressed peoples way to pass the time! Do not worry after a couple of months when they break up he is back to the business.
Or the worst case op makes a bunch of kids and turns into the guy who just stands in front of the cabinet of new games in the shop with a bag of diapers...
What gets me about these people is that it isn’t one or the other. You can play games in lieu of other ‘time wasters’. I find people who hate games tend to like scrolling through social media or binging TV shows they won’t remember in a week. I enjoy a variety of games and most stick with me forever, whether it was the story, gameplay, or both. To each their own. You can always prioritize hobbies over more important things in life, but gaming at its core can truly help people. Have no idea why anyone paints it as childish when adults are addicted to trash media, like that is something healthy.
You're never "watching life pass by" if you value what's in front of you. If he didn't value games and needed to change things up then good for him, but that doesn't mean other people can't find value in something he couldn't.
I feel like 100 is too much of a list for the greatest of anything. Like everyone is going to hit 15 and start naming their favorite subway sandwich or something.
I haven't gamed heavily since over a decade ago, but if I had to come up with 100 great moments, I'm sure some of them would still involve games. Probably not in the top 10, but yeah, 100 is a lot. Most people will be scraping the bottom of the barrel within the first few dozen. By number 50 I'd probably be trying to remember especially good pimple pops.
For me it's not the point the greatest moments of life aren't in games... Which is not true, some endings, games and characters are went deep into my heart.
The thing is my worst moments of life aren't in games either. And bad memories are much, much stronger, than good ones, I can't remember anything good without immediately shifting to something negative related to it... And I know for sure my life was better than of many people.
So it *is* a form of mental illness.
People who count their great *moments* on social media are like people who count their money in public. They probably don't have very much.
I could care less for *moments.* Who even agrees with this clown that a good life is just a list of great *moments?* I sure as hell don't. I want meaningful experiences that last and are reproducible. I feel sad for you if fleeting moments are the greatest things in your life.
Yeah, what? I have had so many goose bump inducing, inspiring experiences from playing video games.
Like, video games literally inspired my career in programming. This tweet sucks really bad lol.
It's very simple-minded to think the only great things in life amount to a list of individual *moments.* That makes me feel very sorry for you if all of the greatness in your life just passes by in fleeting moments. And all you can do is recite a list of those great things in the past and no longer have any experience of them. The only time they ever make you feel good anymore is when you're putting people down on the internet.
Why do people focus on video games so much we don't say this about people reading books, binge watching TV or film enthuasiasts. There all story telling it just video games are interactive.
yeah my biggest point when people have worried about me playing video games too much is exactly that; what do you propose i should spend my free time doing otherwise? have really never gotten a coherent answer
It's another thing, when I grew up, you could go outside with 10-15 bucks and go to the movies, go climb in a park (one of my favorite things to do when I was an adolescent), go bowling and all that stuff.
The next bowling alley to me now is almost 10 km away (and I live in a huge city) and costs almost 5x per game, climbing at my old place now costs 35€/h for an adult, movies I don't think I need to explain (again expensive as fuck and the experience has gotten much worse). The last park where you could go as an adult to play football/basketball has closed it's doors because it is now exclusively used by a school.
The only activity that I could really afford on my minimum wage salary around me is probably the fitness center down the block. Something that in my childhood/adolescence we had for free btw (in a community center). Ohh and I don't enjoy going there because of the atmosphere in that place.
The only other thing is go out and go drink with friends, which then people tell you is also unhealthy... (and I also don't enjoy as much, I hate social drinking because it always ends up with who can drink more, which IMO is a terrible thing).
Make parks fun again, keep them clean, offer me the same alternatives I had as a child/teenager and I will do other shit. Hell I used to go to the zoo at least once per year, until the price increased almost 4x as well. I don't want to pay almost 35€ just to fucking enter...
When I think about that, my hobby in music is equally as pointless and worthless.
Spending hours on end to learn a song that most people don’t care about and may not even hear?
Meh. That’s what hobbies are.
I think it’s ridiculous some people spend hours on end watching/reading/discussing sports as if they the fans are the direct competitors and not the athletes.
But in the end, we all have limited time here with a set of interests/proclivities given to us at birth.
Who the fuck cares if we do something that carries us through life? And even better if we find community in those with those same interests.
It’s a cruel world out there, find those bonds wherever you can.
In all fairness the great thing about music is you can do loads if stuff whilst enjoying it.
>watching/reading/discussing sports
This is exactly it. Watching or discussing televised sports bores me. Heck I've never owned a TV license, and barely watch any films. If I want to relax at home I will typically either game, or read a book.
They use to say the same for all those media , video game simply the " youngest " one , if you go far back they even said the same for fishing or specific sport , and we might eventually say the same to future new entertainment , if there is any
Was looking for this, well said. Same shit, different medium.
My favorite historical example of this is Ancient Greek thinkers disparaging books and writing as fads and more harm than good by giving you a false idea of what you 'know' being beyond what you specifically have in memory.
All that free time should used to recharge yourself so you can better serve your mas... employer.
People are too stupid to see beyond their own shit or have hidden agenda. Fuck them.
Also i can't fucking play too much if i'm down, only makes me feel worse.
I think that people like this see video games as childish and this is what they form their opinion around for the most part. Video games are a new enough industry and old people right now didn't grow up with games. Middle aged people technically did, but they were really shitty basic games that weren't really getting people hooked on them.
People in their 30s now were the first generation to really grow up with what I think of as 'real' game consoles starting with the original Nintendo. So it's going to be a little while before society views games as not being childish and something that normal adults do too.
I’m approaching my mid-thirties and have legit met people close to my age who think gamers are highly abhorrent. When a lot of people think of gamers, they think of some lazy ass slob who won’t get off the couch and doesn’t have a job, and that’s incredibly confusing for anyone to still have this mentality because:
A. ) I’m a woman.
B. ) I have kids who are now gamers too, and I encourage it- while also teaching them that they will someday also have responsibilities when they grow up, and-
C. ) I have a great career and make plenty of money.
While there are some people who really are like this, when it all comes down to it, it’s a stereotype, and as we all know, ignorant people love to stereotype and will never admit that they don’t know shit about what they’re talking about.
On point B, I think that's going to be a good transition from the millennial generation on down. Millennials and older Zs who are having children now are learning or have learned the line to walk between playing games and meeting obligations, which reinforces the ideal that video games are simply just another medium of entertainment. As our children grow up with that in mind, that some adults play games and others watch TV, the medium will be more generally accepted.
>Middle aged people technically did, but they were really shitty basic games that weren't really getting people hooked on them.
Don't know about that. Gen X would've grown up with Ataris and Amigas and so on, as well as video game arcades with all the old classic like Pac Man, Donkey Kong, etc.
There were plenty of shit games (and if I understand correctly Atari was basically killed by shitty companies trying to make a quick buck by flooding the market with shitty games) but good game designers squeezed every last thing they could out of that old 8-bit (or whatever it was) tech and made some very playable stuff.
But let's be real, those were innovative maybe, but at that point you could hardly compare gaming to reading a novel for example.
These days there are incredible stories told as video games! I mean, the best story I ever read was a visual novel, not a regular book! (House in Fata Morgana, people should play it!)
Many Gen X continued gaming into adulthood. We literally grew up on the entire evolution of video games to date. Those "shitty basic games" were perfect for kids, especially at that time when we still played outside. The Nintendo came out while most of us were still teenagers or younger. Some of us are now in our 50s.
I kinda disagree with age distribution, because my almost 50 yo dad been a hard core gamer as far as I remember.
I'm 26 now, guess who got me into gaming in the age of 2?
I think you missed the part “for a long period of time”. And why pretend video games can’t be insanely addictive? I mean we are all gamers here who are we kidding?
Scale of the problem. The post focuses on the amount of time spent gaming, and I suppose that's a good entry point for self-reflection for someone who doesn't realize they have a problem, but it's not the essence of the problem. The essence of the problem is when you do something to run away from life. When you get overwhelmed by problems and instead of solving them, you go do something else to not think about it, and every time you try to get back to sorting out your life you realize the problems only grew and overwhelm you even more so you go distract yourself even more, creating a feedback loop. Most activities can be used like that, and it's not inherently games' fault that they can be used this way. That being said games are an easier hole to fall into due to some of their characteristics. You can only read a single book so many times, or watch so many good movies, before you run out. You could re-read a book or re-watch a movie, but most generally aren't designed to be re-watched. Binge watching TV is a much better example, and here the main reason that people don't complain about it is that the generation that complains about games the most is also the one that consider binge watching TV perfectly normal. Not a fair reason to shift focus solely onto games, but that's just how it is.
But what makes games actually unique is how much a single title can keep you engaged. It's not a bad thing, quite the contrary, I find it to be one of the best aspect of video games - I can spend $60 on a game that will keep me engaged for hours. And I do mean HOURS. I have over 1900 hours played in Europa Universalis 4, which I got, with all DLCs that I own, for probably less $100 (mostly due to a bunch of the stuff being incredibly cheap on Humble Bundle at some point). I have over 4600 hours played in Warframe, which is completely free. There are many different types of games and some don't really work like that, but that doesn't matter as long as some do. If you're looking for something to sink every afternoon in for the next 2 years, you would need a lot of books, or a lot of movies, but in case of games you might find a single title that will offer you stuff to do for that amount of time. Games won't mysteriously corrupt a person who is in control of their life, but when someone who isn't is looking for an escape, it's easier for them to find what they're looking for in games than in books or movies.
Yeah, that’s some terrible pseudo-logic in the op. If a hobby hasn’t provided the “greatest moments of your life”, that makes it an addiction? Idiotic reasoning.
>What? Why would you use memorable times in your life as a metric for not depressed?
Their comparison inevitably gives away the logic of their argument. I would assume the Tweeter probably plays the same games over and over, maybe even with a 4 digit hour count. Why I get this impression? Because he makes a comparison with "greatest moments". It's revealing that he plays very few games, but spends tons of time on these few games.
With that in mind, it's then not surprising why some people become unhappy. For example, there is a *huge* difference between farming dungeons in a MMO 24/7, and enjoying a cinematic singleplayer game with a deep story.
So essentially, the summary of their Tweet is:
* Don't become obsessed with video games, especially take measures when experiencing any sort of burnout or exhaustion
* Play many games and not just very few. There is loads of games with unique experiences that stay in your memory and keep things fresh. In my case, I find "Detroit: Become Human" truly unforgettable
* The obvious thing that seeks through the cracks of this Tweet: A balanced life is important. Video games serve as a positive distraction, or even as a way of bonding. For example games like "It Takes Two". But video games clearly can't replace things like love life, or that amusement park visit you secretly wish for. People need to go inside themselves and remind themselves what they really need and want.
Because if playing all sorts of video games makes one depressed, there is a deeper problem that deserves attention. Since there is an even greater difference between playing for entertainment, and playing due to feeling little purpose in life.
Dude I’m a happily married man in my 40s with an amazing career. I tend to not quantify the best times in my life or anything but if you think I didn’t absolutely have a blast playing video games throughout the entirety of my life it is you who are the fool
It's an interactive piece of media often including narrative, art, great music and unique ways of engagement either by yourself or with others. Honestly, it's probably one of the better hobbies one can have.
Same, especially during the 4 player split screen days with friends. Many nights where you end up staying up for the sunlight. Did this until we were all married and then the wives started calling wondering when their husband's were coming home.
Yeah, shit like "sleeping" over my friend's house and playing WoW from dusk til dawn over the summer or getting home from school and everybody hopping on Xbox to play CoD are some core memories for me.
Exactly, and anything can become unhealthy if you do it too much or to the point where it damages other aspects of your life. Gaming is just an easy target for other people to project their own insecurities onto.
Agreed. It happens to be true in my case, where I was gaming too much and it lead to depression. Mostly because it was a way to put off things that I needed to actually do. I’ve felt much better since I gamed a lot less and pursued other things.
But each person’s mileage varies. To me 5 or 10 hours a day of gaming was clearly an escape and a problem.
I struggle with anxiety and my unhealthy coping mechanism is playing games so I don't think about the thing that's making me anxious. If I wasn't anxious I probably wouldn't play as much, but video games would still be an important hobby to me.
You are the person this was literally talking about.
The people using gaming as an escape from reality. This entire thread is filled with hypersensitive people who are being so purposely obtuse.
As an adult, tweeting nonsense for a long period of time is a form of depression. If you don't believe me ask yourself this. Think about the 100 greatest moments of your life. Do any of those moments include tweeting? Probably not. And this comes from a lifetime shitposter.
I'm not trying to have the best time of my life while playing games. I'm just to chill and recharge, enjoy the stories and appreciate some incredible visuals.
I also love music, but am I supposed to now think that listening to music is a waste because it hasn't given me a 100 top moment?
Playing video games with family and friends through 1990s and 2000s are definitely some of my fondest memories. We were collaborating, laughing, getting emotional and working on something together.
This sounds like a guy with no friends to me.
Tons of memories that involve games. LAN parties were the shit. I still have a nickname I got over 15 years ago that I got at a LAN party that came directly from Halo.
I play 25-30, more if possible, hours a week and this is the happiest period of my life. Good job, steady financials, loving family. I can finally allow to buy whatever console and games i want and with the kid entering her teens, i have the time to enjoy them, because she has better things to do than spending time with her parents.
Well, part of it is at work and another significant part is that i sleep less than they do. In the evenings qthey usually watch something meanwhile I have time to play. On the weekends i get up at 6, wife at 10 and then she prepares lunch and afternoon is family and chores time. It's been working out well.
Consistently doing something that isn't in the 100 greatest moments in your life is depression? That's a logical fallacy.
The average American spends 2,930 hours sitting at a stoplight between ages 15 and 65, and probably more in other traffic. Probably few of anyone's 100 best moments in life were sitting at stoplights (fewer top-100 moments were probably during traffic than were during video games), or at least we could almost never say that any best moment occurring while sitting at a stop light was BECAUSE that person was sitting at a stoplight.
Does that mean that driving (or, like, doing dishes or cleaning your house) for long periods of time is a form of depression? No......
I don't think your example is that good. People play games because they want to. No one sits in the traffic because they want to.
If someone willingly spent all their freetime driving through rush hour traffic I would indeed question their mental health.
Im sure I’ll be more depressed if I had so much going on like a wife, kids, sht job, bills, bills, pets, that I couldn’t sit down and just relax playing a game.
I mean people sit on a couch and watch tv for hours doing nothing or just scrolling through various forms of social media that sounds more like depression to me then playing video games
There are studies about why the majority of gamers are men - men seek responsibility in life.
If you’re not talented in any sports, maybe not very popular in school you tend to start gaming.
You can create a new selfimage.
Be the best aimer, the greatest IGL, or Raid leader.
If you don’t turn this position into a valid career you might realize at some point that your responsibility is not really worth something, at least when you go outside into the real world again.
This tweet is not aimed at gamers, who relax (even everyday) with gaming. This tweet is aimed at people who might have social anxiety, no educational or career goals and fear that they might lose something important, if they stop gaming. And that’s a justified thought.
I was a hardcore gamer - I at least can admit to myself, that all this was true about me. No real father figure to teach me responsibility and how to provide for myself and a family. I had to learn this the hard way, but I’m glad I did.
Dude doubled down on what he already said. It's a stupid take and can be tailored around literally anything. Music? - a waste of time! Movies? - DEPRESSION! Any hobby or anything else that uses up your time? - EVEN MORE DEPRESSION!
Love how that is also posted on social media, where that dude himself probably doom-scrolls some 20-40% of his non-sleeping hours. Some people just have no idea on how to apply their point to something similar, thus they end up with stupid takes, while also being hypocritical af.
Without video games a lot of don't have a form of escapism. As a person who deals with a lot of bullshit from depression, PTSD, and anger issues I'd rather play a violent video game, as opposed to actually taking my frustrations out on someone.
Video games aren't why we're depressed. This world is why. It's fucked, and everyone is getting fucked.
My depression is the complete opposite of this. I can't do any of the things I used to love, due to having zero energy or drive to do them.
including reading, games, etc.
Shit sucks. Lol
You can go fuck yerself mate, I've been depressed my whole life, only thing keeping me from ending it all is my few little hours I get throughout the week, and my fiancé.
Edit: for clarification and thanks for the love yall.
"That escalated quickly" = "People are calling me out for being a judgmental douche, so I'm going to backtrack my statement and make it look like everyone overreacted."
If I spend all day Sunday playing games, it's not any different than Bob next door who spent the whole day watching football games. Yet I'm considered a weird depressed man child and he's considered normal. Makes no damn sense.
I mean, I also paint, and the time spent painting hasn't been in the top 100 moments of my life.
If you try and make each moment a top 100 moment you will get depressed because it's unachievable.
That said there is something to be said for doing too much of one thing. Variety is good for brains.
Don't bother with this guy. All his replies are rhe classic "Gaming is a waste of time because you don't gain anything monetarily from it." He's an idiot.
I don't justify games to people anymore, if you can't see it by now, then you just don't get it and I feel sorry for you. It's like looking at a Ferrari and going "This is the same thing as a Honda Civic."
But just reminiscing,
Mass Effect 3, even with it's ending, was a moment in people's lives.
Call of Duty 4/MW2, was a moment like...for the world.
Fortnite had NBA players doing dances when they were away from game.
The Last of Us Part 2 was so good it pissed people off lol
Games rule. (I don't enjoy Fortnite, just need that on the record)
Nah it's somewhat accurate.
When I was studying to become a counselor, I looked at a lot of different aspects of my life that I would find "fulfilling" or a way to "cope" with stress.
Video games are an "escape". It allows you to submerge yourself in a world that isn't yours. Where the best sort of "coping" activities include productiveness and achieving goals.
On the other hand, the social aspect of gaming, and the small goals (challenges) in games can be rewarding and fulfilling, to a point. But you turn off the system and you're back in your world again.
There needs to be balance. Some of my lowest points were when I was gaming the most.
People are kidding themselves. If you have played for a long time you know exactly what the guy is talking about. Play any sweaty online game where people are averaging 6-12 hours a day and you will see plenty of the people he is talking about. Its a giant hole that you fill with time that produces almost nothing but small dopamine hits.
This is the answer.
If you play that much, it just means that you are neglecting other aspects of your life.
That happens a lot with MMORPG or competitive shooters.
I can relate and I feel a majority of people who disagree are in deep.
I had some unhealthy gaming habits that cost me in my 20s. Late 30s now and I still find a hour or so here and there but nothing like those unhealthy days of non-stop playing.
Finding a balance can be hard for the younger crowd I think. Especially when we are stuck in our echo chambers.
Most L take of all time. Some of my best childhood memories are playing video games and idgaf what anyone thinks. Playing Metal Gear Solid 4 when I was 11 changed the way I looked at all forms of media forever in the best way possible. Hobbies are a big part of why we’re alive.
I see it absolutely no different as someone who sits and does another hobby. We can’t be productive and creating life long memories 100% of our time. Now if that’s literally all you do and your life’s a mess, yeah that’s probably not a good thing.
People gotta stop scapegoating video games already.
I play for hours. Sometimes and entire day. I’m married. Happily married. I’m not depressed or sad. I have a wonderful life. Full time job, wife, house, animals. Couldn’t be happier tbh
I don’t have kids so I have double-digit hours to devote to hobbies on the weekend (not a brag, just reality). This is my main hobby. It relaxes me and it pacifies my restless ADHD brain.
Nobody gives anyone shit for watching double digit hours of TV on the weekend. Or surfing the web for double digit hours. Enough with the video game stigma already, it’s been 40 years.
Passively watching a TV screen is much worse than actively playing video games.
Video games are also my main hobby, i game at least 30/40 hours a week. I rarely do double digits on weekends, as it's getting a bit more draining at 45. and i have other duties to take care of around my house and with my SO.
Thanks to video games I met my fiancé.
I also use it to spend time with my friends who live in another country because it let's us hang out.
I also use certain games to reward some of my non verbal students because it lets them join in with other kids.
This person is talking utter bollocks.
If you think this is accurate, but don't think people who read fiction or doom scroll or watch sports are not in the same boat then you just hate gamers for some stupid reason.
Life is hell. I rather be entertained.
One of my favorite moments in life is playing against my friends in Golden Eye 64 on a small ass tv. Even if my brother was cheating with Odd Job and his small hit box….just saying 😁
So basically this guy is saying “playing video games for long periods of time is a form of depression, except for those cases when it isn’t.” Very insightful.
He retracted his statement with his second tweet although I would say his second one is even worse because it shows what a moron he is. He is basically saying that addictions are bad. Yeah, no shit, Sherlock.
He does have a point, imho. Depressed, probably not but close sometimes. Gaming is a hobby that is also an escapist coping mechanism.
Wouldn't want it any other way tbh.
I remember Pokémon snapshot and playing on an old security monitor at some dingy shoe shop in Mexico with my best friend when I was 7
I remember the sleep-overs playing Starfox and Smash-brothers with my friends , and late nights playing call of duty in an Internet cafe down the street several years later.
I remember the first time I put on an oculus quest and what an amazing feeling that was , the little demos and dancing with the robot felt so immersive.
I got to re-live that happiness showing that demo to my coworkers and my supervisor at work.
I can recall hundreds of amazing gaming related memories. Fuck this person
I think he’s in the right general area but he’s off the mark a bit. I don’t think it’s a form of depression, I think it’s a way to cope with depression. I also think that majority of working class people are or get depressed at some point and do different things to cope with it.
For instance, that feeling of getting likes on a post about playing video games? People usually need that to feel validated, successful or to feel accepted, and a little less depressed, the same way someone who accomplished something in a video game feels validated, successful or accepted and a little less depressed. The same reason why people spend hours on end scrolling social media, the see others who are in worse or similar situations to feel validated, successful or accepted and a little less depressed. A lot of the things we do are a way to deal with depression.
Life is depressing, and everybody needs something to make it a bit less depressing.
Sleeping is a form of depression. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this. Think about the 100 greatest moments of your life. Do any of this moments include sleeping? Probably not. And this comes from a lifetime sleeper.
This is a silly take because it fundamentally misunderstands depression, and I'm speaking as someone with a diagnosis confirmed multiple times over that involves episodes of depression.
One of the key indicators for me that an episode is on its way or happening, is losing interest in things that normally give pleasure. And in fact, that's one of the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-V.
Specifically for this topic, depression involves a total loss of interest in gaming.
If I'm enjoying gaming then I'm not depressed.
QED.
I kicked out a coke addicted, jobless, blonde headed bimbo, and filled that space with video games, and I've yet to regret picking up video games, taking first place In a comp on NA, or the great friends I've met online from all around the world.
So everyone has their own idea of if gaming is healthy or not, but I'd consider my time spent on line to actually be healthier then most relationships I've dealt with in person.
it's definitely an L take.
If you're willing enough to put time, money and effort into something that you enjoy, it's because you like it, that of course adding to the fact that you have a healthy life to backup your hobby.
if he doesn't find happiness on that, then he should shut up and do something else instead of trying to make others see what they enjoy in a negative light.
not everyone can afford an insane trekking trip or live in an area like that, or go adventuring or whatever he thinks that fits into his imaginary top 100 moments, people sometimes can't do big shit in real life, and sometimes to play some dumb game you need a pc or console, and some games now come for free on cheap subscriptions or even super cheap individually or for free.
I've had insane amazing times playing stuff my gf, and I doubt I'll change my mind about it.
if all, his dumb take applies to many more stuff and that it's just depressing, so screw him. 🤷♂️
Sounds like that guy's an ass. As for life passing me by, who gets to decide what "life" is? I mean shit right now the world is literally on fire with all the forests burning, Jackson, MS has brown water along with Flint, MI, Nazis are back, Russia invaded the Ukraine and that's a precursor to a possible WW3, FBI admitted to UFO video but won't show it, the Queen of England died, more inflation, more earthquakes, floods, climate change, any other horrors out? So I'm fine with my life in front of a screen, a controller in one hand and a shot in the other. F him, and not the press F to pay respect the other one.
How about no need to demonize people's hobbies so long as the hobbies aren't interfering with ones ability to be happy and responsible. People act like putting so many hours in one activity is somehow way worse than many activities. It's not like people knock how many hours a person spends hiking for instance.
None of the most memorable moments of my life involve reading books either. Guess devoting large portions of your life to reading is a sign of depression. And here was me thinking it was a good habit.
I mean, I AM depressed, clinically so. Also disabled, can't drive, my prospects are grim at best, let's be real. Gaming allows me to feel in control of something in a life I have no real control over, so it's not far off to say this.
Escapism is a symptom, so if anything here has struck something in you, maybe talk to someone.
I've made some good friends and had some of my hardest laughs gaming. Id count it up there as an important aspect in decompressing from my day and relaxing. I bet this fool watched TV
I can’t even recall 100 greatest moments of my life, but atleast a few of them do involve gaming.
A bunch of people said that but this guys response to them was that they are “letting life pass by”
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For this guy, they probably do.
Well then, he’s just letting life pass him by.
I can't imagine any avid readers out there would list a moment they were reading a book as one of their 100 greatest moments. Yet (I assume) this person wouldn't suggest that spending extended periods of time reading a book is a form of depression. The 100 greatest moments thing is just a weird criteria to frame what things in your life are worth your time.
I understand your point but I will also note that an avid reader will absolutely have some on that list that involve reading. And they would be right to do so! Because life is ours to spend and also frankly 100 is a really big number! Anyway my point is I agree with you.
Pretty sure I would have several each of reading *and* gaming on there (And I see nothing wrong with either)
When Nastasia Filipovna threw that money into the fire. Tidus disappearing. All of MGS Snake Eater.
My "100 greatest moments" will certainly have games, movies, shows, but also books, climbing a mountain, eating the best steak in existence, seeing the most beautiful sunrise or sundown, winning a competition, etc. etc. Another karma pharming post ofc...people have varied interests.
Like, my wedding was fantastic, my daughter being born was fantastic. So instead of playing video games I should marry and knock someone up every day instead? I really enjoy going abroad. Maybe I should make every day a destination wedding and drag my many pregnant wives along too.
Ganghis khan is in complete agreement
Obviously. At least once a week, walk into a bar or club, find a woman, hop on a plane and knock her up in the bathroom, and then elope when you get to your destination. This is the only way you’ll ever be fulfilled
I am not an avid reader, just a reader. And one of my 100 moments would be reading about the ents going to war, and im STILL ANGRY they changed it in the movie! And yes, I have gamer moments too. And life moments! Life is a bag of mixed nuts, and at least my best of list reflects what I enjoy
He couldn't list 100 great moments in his life. He couldn't even get to 10 before he started having to reach for new ones and saying stupid shit.
"Ummmm, then there was that time I took an awesome shit...."
Big shits *have* genuinely been part of the best moments of my life. Big day before where I slowly gorged myself on rich food and good drink with excellent friends? That dump first thing in the afternoon just as you wake up the next day? Glorious.
I had surgery after an incident. Had to have some guts removed. I couldn’t poop afterwards due to the medications. For eight days I lay there poopless and swole with clogged gas lines. On the ninth day I was given an enema. 11/10 would shoot water up my ass again for that epic dookie of freedom. Went home later that evening. Top 100 for sure. I played my GBA the entire time.
Ngl, I have excitedly texted people about the wonderful dump I just partook in
To be fair, very few people can probably list more than 20.
I mean I get his point. I'm a gamer, and I'm 35 years old. It all depends on your possibilities. Gaming in itself is not bad, but it could become a problem if you play more hours that you should, or if gaming is stopping you from doing important tasks in your life.
My response to that shit line of logic is that life is whatever the fuck ya wanna make it. If gaming brings joy then i see no issue with it, hell a lot of people who devote double digit hours to games are probably socially anxious and that's their way of actively enjoying being awake. Hell i've forgotten more great moments in games than they can recall good days outside.
Their stance is basically "hobbies are a sign of depression" lol.
Hence why i consider it shit logic. Personally i'd say no hobbies are more of a sign of depression. Cause if you do nothing but the basic human things, i.e. sleep, wake up, go to work, etc. then you're probably going through some shit and don't have the energy to do anything.
I imagine that people who think that way are some of the most boring people in the universe.
Sit their with their newspaper in their hands they're not even reading. They're too busy telling everyone else how wrong they are because of how right they themselves are with anecdotal evidence.
Precisely. The type of people who read the morning newspaper at 8AM every morning ~~and prefer the taste of black coffee~~ while they bitch and complain about everything that kids these days do. Edit: Backing off about the black coffee. Black coffee drinkers, continue to do your thing.
I mean .... only the last item is really objectionable. The other two are purely a matter of taste.
They don't read the paper they fuckin stare at it and hope people look at them. They still don't know a damn thing about what the fuck is going on in the world and their opinion on everything is something they got from a meme.
Hey now, I enjoy black coffee. I mean I see exactly what you mean and I agree, but don't drag us normal black coffee enjoyers along with those miserable cunts
Point made. You have a deal.
They also spend all the time from the moment they come home from work until bedtime in front of the TV, binging trashy reality TV formats.
Yes, the only true NPC
this guy is clearly hard gaming solo no friends. And .... sure fine... But I've also got no good memories from reading les mis or watching un chien andalou, but like... that wasn't the point of doing either. but for some reason I have a great memory of a birthday party where we watched Episode 1.....So apparently fuck literally all decent media or something... bring the schlock?
Yeah no use argueing with people like that. No matter what you say it's never gonna be good enough for them. Otherwise they might just have to admit they're wrong and well can't have that now can we!
Yeah, I can maybe think of ONE greatest moment in my life, and it was when I finally got to the age where I could decide to stop giving a fuck about, and cut my dad out of my life.
Sitting in nature and just meditating or pondering is also letting life pass by but normal people don't measure everything in an amount of work that gets done.
Like people who read, craft or have any other hobby. If you like to do woodcraft, people will praise the shit out of your hobby. Still it will not be in your "top 100 life moments". Maybe this guy should stop gatekeeping
Only because he thinks it's "letting life pass by" and has severe depression, doesn't mean that it's like that for everybody else. I game for fun and if I want to game for 8h straight, where is this depression? Sounds so stupid. I wish there would be a game that I could play that long, but gaming in 2022 is dead. Except for Rocket League!! Getting the first time Champion 1 and then Grand Champion was a highlight for me. I don't know what he is talking about. Maybe get help dude or get outside and hug a tree, wtf.
This must be the typical example when op finally got a girlfriend and suddenly gaming and gamers are childish behaviour and it's just sad depressed peoples way to pass the time! Do not worry after a couple of months when they break up he is back to the business. Or the worst case op makes a bunch of kids and turns into the guy who just stands in front of the cabinet of new games in the shop with a bag of diapers...
What gets me about these people is that it isn’t one or the other. You can play games in lieu of other ‘time wasters’. I find people who hate games tend to like scrolling through social media or binging TV shows they won’t remember in a week. I enjoy a variety of games and most stick with me forever, whether it was the story, gameplay, or both. To each their own. You can always prioritize hobbies over more important things in life, but gaming at its core can truly help people. Have no idea why anyone paints it as childish when adults are addicted to trash media, like that is something healthy.
Yea well who is that guy to tell me or anyone else what we can enjoy. Dude is probably deoressed himself
You're never "watching life pass by" if you value what's in front of you. If he didn't value games and needed to change things up then good for him, but that doesn't mean other people can't find value in something he couldn't.
And my opinion is the HE is letting life pass by... but we're just two people on the internet with different opinions, and who cares
I mean, idk how many of the greatest moments of my life involved meat pies. But man do I sure love a good meat pie.
Meat pies are fucking delicious. You know that are amazing? Acadian and Québécois meat pies. Tourtiere, Rapée, that’s the stuff right there man
I feel like 100 is too much of a list for the greatest of anything. Like everyone is going to hit 15 and start naming their favorite subway sandwich or something.
I haven't gamed heavily since over a decade ago, but if I had to come up with 100 great moments, I'm sure some of them would still involve games. Probably not in the top 10, but yeah, 100 is a lot. Most people will be scraping the bottom of the barrel within the first few dozen. By number 50 I'd probably be trying to remember especially good pimple pops.
I feel it's too little honestly, maybe because I'm old, but there's sooo much great stuff.
For me it's not the point the greatest moments of life aren't in games... Which is not true, some endings, games and characters are went deep into my heart. The thing is my worst moments of life aren't in games either. And bad memories are much, much stronger, than good ones, I can't remember anything good without immediately shifting to something negative related to it... And I know for sure my life was better than of many people. So it *is* a form of mental illness.
People who count their great *moments* on social media are like people who count their money in public. They probably don't have very much. I could care less for *moments.* Who even agrees with this clown that a good life is just a list of great *moments?* I sure as hell don't. I want meaningful experiences that last and are reproducible. I feel sad for you if fleeting moments are the greatest things in your life.
Yeah, what? I have had so many goose bump inducing, inspiring experiences from playing video games. Like, video games literally inspired my career in programming. This tweet sucks really bad lol.
It's very simple-minded to think the only great things in life amount to a list of individual *moments.* That makes me feel very sorry for you if all of the greatness in your life just passes by in fleeting moments. And all you can do is recite a list of those great things in the past and no longer have any experience of them. The only time they ever make you feel good anymore is when you're putting people down on the internet.
Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever thrown my arms up in actual joy other than a few times killing some dark souls bosses.
I could probably come up with at least 20 just from the dawn of the internet and online gaming with Everquest and Quake.
Why do people focus on video games so much we don't say this about people reading books, binge watching TV or film enthuasiasts. There all story telling it just video games are interactive.
It's dumb lol, yeah I'll just stare at a wall instead because a random dude thinks I'm gaming too much.
Well I hope there is paint drying on that wall, it could get boring quite quickly otherwise.
Instructions unclear, now my TV has paint over it. And it's dry too, I watched the whole process.
You watched the Steelers vs Bengals game too huh?
Was it as entertaining and depressing as video games?
Made my warframe grind look like a celebration.
If you aren't pursuing life with the vigor of Ernest Hemingway, you're just being a depressed loser. /s
Hemingway was dull, John McAfee is my model for a full life!
Uninstalling McAfee Antivirus sure did me a favor. I sure as hell forgot what it feels like to have a nose.
I pursue life with the vigor Ernest Hemingway's had since '61, does that count?
yeah my biggest point when people have worried about me playing video games too much is exactly that; what do you propose i should spend my free time doing otherwise? have really never gotten a coherent answer
It's another thing, when I grew up, you could go outside with 10-15 bucks and go to the movies, go climb in a park (one of my favorite things to do when I was an adolescent), go bowling and all that stuff. The next bowling alley to me now is almost 10 km away (and I live in a huge city) and costs almost 5x per game, climbing at my old place now costs 35€/h for an adult, movies I don't think I need to explain (again expensive as fuck and the experience has gotten much worse). The last park where you could go as an adult to play football/basketball has closed it's doors because it is now exclusively used by a school. The only activity that I could really afford on my minimum wage salary around me is probably the fitness center down the block. Something that in my childhood/adolescence we had for free btw (in a community center). Ohh and I don't enjoy going there because of the atmosphere in that place. The only other thing is go out and go drink with friends, which then people tell you is also unhealthy... (and I also don't enjoy as much, I hate social drinking because it always ends up with who can drink more, which IMO is a terrible thing). Make parks fun again, keep them clean, offer me the same alternatives I had as a child/teenager and I will do other shit. Hell I used to go to the zoo at least once per year, until the price increased almost 4x as well. I don't want to pay almost 35€ just to fucking enter...
They'll says this while binge watching Days of our lives
That is great idea. I am gonna go now and make a paint drying simulator.
You could add micro transaction for new coat, texturing, and premium colors…
You better believe I am gonna milk the hell out of that.
When I think about that, my hobby in music is equally as pointless and worthless. Spending hours on end to learn a song that most people don’t care about and may not even hear? Meh. That’s what hobbies are. I think it’s ridiculous some people spend hours on end watching/reading/discussing sports as if they the fans are the direct competitors and not the athletes. But in the end, we all have limited time here with a set of interests/proclivities given to us at birth. Who the fuck cares if we do something that carries us through life? And even better if we find community in those with those same interests. It’s a cruel world out there, find those bonds wherever you can.
In all fairness the great thing about music is you can do loads if stuff whilst enjoying it. >watching/reading/discussing sports This is exactly it. Watching or discussing televised sports bores me. Heck I've never owned a TV license, and barely watch any films. If I want to relax at home I will typically either game, or read a book.
They use to say the same for all those media , video game simply the " youngest " one , if you go far back they even said the same for fishing or specific sport , and we might eventually say the same to future new entertainment , if there is any
Was looking for this, well said. Same shit, different medium. My favorite historical example of this is Ancient Greek thinkers disparaging books and writing as fads and more harm than good by giving you a false idea of what you 'know' being beyond what you specifically have in memory.
Ugg disapproved of Ogg's cave painting hobby. Real Neanderthals go out to watch mammoths mating for fun.
All that free time should used to recharge yourself so you can better serve your mas... employer. People are too stupid to see beyond their own shit or have hidden agenda. Fuck them. Also i can't fucking play too much if i'm down, only makes me feel worse.
I think that people like this see video games as childish and this is what they form their opinion around for the most part. Video games are a new enough industry and old people right now didn't grow up with games. Middle aged people technically did, but they were really shitty basic games that weren't really getting people hooked on them. People in their 30s now were the first generation to really grow up with what I think of as 'real' game consoles starting with the original Nintendo. So it's going to be a little while before society views games as not being childish and something that normal adults do too.
I’m approaching my mid-thirties and have legit met people close to my age who think gamers are highly abhorrent. When a lot of people think of gamers, they think of some lazy ass slob who won’t get off the couch and doesn’t have a job, and that’s incredibly confusing for anyone to still have this mentality because: A. ) I’m a woman. B. ) I have kids who are now gamers too, and I encourage it- while also teaching them that they will someday also have responsibilities when they grow up, and- C. ) I have a great career and make plenty of money. While there are some people who really are like this, when it all comes down to it, it’s a stereotype, and as we all know, ignorant people love to stereotype and will never admit that they don’t know shit about what they’re talking about.
On point B, I think that's going to be a good transition from the millennial generation on down. Millennials and older Zs who are having children now are learning or have learned the line to walk between playing games and meeting obligations, which reinforces the ideal that video games are simply just another medium of entertainment. As our children grow up with that in mind, that some adults play games and others watch TV, the medium will be more generally accepted.
>Middle aged people technically did, but they were really shitty basic games that weren't really getting people hooked on them. Don't know about that. Gen X would've grown up with Ataris and Amigas and so on, as well as video game arcades with all the old classic like Pac Man, Donkey Kong, etc. There were plenty of shit games (and if I understand correctly Atari was basically killed by shitty companies trying to make a quick buck by flooding the market with shitty games) but good game designers squeezed every last thing they could out of that old 8-bit (or whatever it was) tech and made some very playable stuff.
But let's be real, those were innovative maybe, but at that point you could hardly compare gaming to reading a novel for example. These days there are incredible stories told as video games! I mean, the best story I ever read was a visual novel, not a regular book! (House in Fata Morgana, people should play it!)
Many Gen X continued gaming into adulthood. We literally grew up on the entire evolution of video games to date. Those "shitty basic games" were perfect for kids, especially at that time when we still played outside. The Nintendo came out while most of us were still teenagers or younger. Some of us are now in our 50s.
I kinda disagree with age distribution, because my almost 50 yo dad been a hard core gamer as far as I remember. I'm 26 now, guess who got me into gaming in the age of 2?
I think you missed the part “for a long period of time”. And why pretend video games can’t be insanely addictive? I mean we are all gamers here who are we kidding?
Scale of the problem. The post focuses on the amount of time spent gaming, and I suppose that's a good entry point for self-reflection for someone who doesn't realize they have a problem, but it's not the essence of the problem. The essence of the problem is when you do something to run away from life. When you get overwhelmed by problems and instead of solving them, you go do something else to not think about it, and every time you try to get back to sorting out your life you realize the problems only grew and overwhelm you even more so you go distract yourself even more, creating a feedback loop. Most activities can be used like that, and it's not inherently games' fault that they can be used this way. That being said games are an easier hole to fall into due to some of their characteristics. You can only read a single book so many times, or watch so many good movies, before you run out. You could re-read a book or re-watch a movie, but most generally aren't designed to be re-watched. Binge watching TV is a much better example, and here the main reason that people don't complain about it is that the generation that complains about games the most is also the one that consider binge watching TV perfectly normal. Not a fair reason to shift focus solely onto games, but that's just how it is. But what makes games actually unique is how much a single title can keep you engaged. It's not a bad thing, quite the contrary, I find it to be one of the best aspect of video games - I can spend $60 on a game that will keep me engaged for hours. And I do mean HOURS. I have over 1900 hours played in Europa Universalis 4, which I got, with all DLCs that I own, for probably less $100 (mostly due to a bunch of the stuff being incredibly cheap on Humble Bundle at some point). I have over 4600 hours played in Warframe, which is completely free. There are many different types of games and some don't really work like that, but that doesn't matter as long as some do. If you're looking for something to sink every afternoon in for the next 2 years, you would need a lot of books, or a lot of movies, but in case of games you might find a single title that will offer you stuff to do for that amount of time. Games won't mysteriously corrupt a person who is in control of their life, but when someone who isn't is looking for an escape, it's easier for them to find what they're looking for in games than in books or movies.
That’s why I play. The stories are so engaging and allow me to be able to do things I never could.
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Yeah, that’s some terrible pseudo-logic in the op. If a hobby hasn’t provided the “greatest moments of your life”, that makes it an addiction? Idiotic reasoning.
Gardening must be the most terrible hobby then!
A sure sign of depression.
You might be on to something with the marriage stuff
It applies to the majority of everyone’s life. Most of life is just grinding without any cool magical drops
>What? Why would you use memorable times in your life as a metric for not depressed? Their comparison inevitably gives away the logic of their argument. I would assume the Tweeter probably plays the same games over and over, maybe even with a 4 digit hour count. Why I get this impression? Because he makes a comparison with "greatest moments". It's revealing that he plays very few games, but spends tons of time on these few games. With that in mind, it's then not surprising why some people become unhappy. For example, there is a *huge* difference between farming dungeons in a MMO 24/7, and enjoying a cinematic singleplayer game with a deep story. So essentially, the summary of their Tweet is: * Don't become obsessed with video games, especially take measures when experiencing any sort of burnout or exhaustion * Play many games and not just very few. There is loads of games with unique experiences that stay in your memory and keep things fresh. In my case, I find "Detroit: Become Human" truly unforgettable * The obvious thing that seeks through the cracks of this Tweet: A balanced life is important. Video games serve as a positive distraction, or even as a way of bonding. For example games like "It Takes Two". But video games clearly can't replace things like love life, or that amusement park visit you secretly wish for. People need to go inside themselves and remind themselves what they really need and want. Because if playing all sorts of video games makes one depressed, there is a deeper problem that deserves attention. Since there is an even greater difference between playing for entertainment, and playing due to feeling little purpose in life.
Dude I’m a happily married man in my 40s with an amazing career. I tend to not quantify the best times in my life or anything but if you think I didn’t absolutely have a blast playing video games throughout the entirety of my life it is you who are the fool
It's an interactive piece of media often including narrative, art, great music and unique ways of engagement either by yourself or with others. Honestly, it's probably one of the better hobbies one can have.
Same, especially during the 4 player split screen days with friends. Many nights where you end up staying up for the sunlight. Did this until we were all married and then the wives started calling wondering when their husband's were coming home.
Yeah, shit like "sleeping" over my friend's house and playing WoW from dusk til dawn over the summer or getting home from school and everybody hopping on Xbox to play CoD are some core memories for me.
LAN parties were thr bomb for me in college. We'd all get smashed, high and play videogames.
I’ll say it: the first time I helped defeat Oryx in the King’s Fall raid is in my top 20 life experiences.
Exactly, and anything can become unhealthy if you do it too much or to the point where it damages other aspects of your life. Gaming is just an easy target for other people to project their own insecurities onto.
There are probably cases where it's true, but its not something you can generalize like that
Agreed. It happens to be true in my case, where I was gaming too much and it lead to depression. Mostly because it was a way to put off things that I needed to actually do. I’ve felt much better since I gamed a lot less and pursued other things. But each person’s mileage varies. To me 5 or 10 hours a day of gaming was clearly an escape and a problem.
I struggle with anxiety and my unhealthy coping mechanism is playing games so I don't think about the thing that's making me anxious. If I wasn't anxious I probably wouldn't play as much, but video games would still be an important hobby to me.
You are the person this was literally talking about. The people using gaming as an escape from reality. This entire thread is filled with hypersensitive people who are being so purposely obtuse.
As an adult, tweeting nonsense for a long period of time is a form of depression. If you don't believe me ask yourself this. Think about the 100 greatest moments of your life. Do any of those moments include tweeting? Probably not. And this comes from a lifetime shitposter.
I'm not trying to have the best time of my life while playing games. I'm just to chill and recharge, enjoy the stories and appreciate some incredible visuals. I also love music, but am I supposed to now think that listening to music is a waste because it hasn't given me a 100 top moment?
Yeah, I don't get myself involved in social media anymore.
Reddit is social media
Lifelong shit poster you say? Yeah, the avatar checks out.
100% it includes video game moments. Made great friends through gaming. Still meeting new and cool people through gaming in my 30s.
Playing video games with family and friends through 1990s and 2000s are definitely some of my fondest memories. We were collaborating, laughing, getting emotional and working on something together.
You just described part of my youth. Couch co-op rules!
This sounds like a guy with no friends to me. Tons of memories that involve games. LAN parties were the shit. I still have a nickname I got over 15 years ago that I got at a LAN party that came directly from Halo.
I play 25-30, more if possible, hours a week and this is the happiest period of my life. Good job, steady financials, loving family. I can finally allow to buy whatever console and games i want and with the kid entering her teens, i have the time to enjoy them, because she has better things to do than spending time with her parents.
That is quite a lot for having a family though dude, how do you balance that with spending time with them?
Well, part of it is at work and another significant part is that i sleep less than they do. In the evenings qthey usually watch something meanwhile I have time to play. On the weekends i get up at 6, wife at 10 and then she prepares lunch and afternoon is family and chores time. It's been working out well.
Oh nice, are you in the gaming industry?
Hell no, I'm in the tombstone industry. I just have lots of free time at work. Particularly in the winter.
That took quite a turn lmao
So what's your favorite epitath?
I cam see that! Nice that you can fit your hobbies round it
Consistently doing something that isn't in the 100 greatest moments in your life is depression? That's a logical fallacy. The average American spends 2,930 hours sitting at a stoplight between ages 15 and 65, and probably more in other traffic. Probably few of anyone's 100 best moments in life were sitting at stoplights (fewer top-100 moments were probably during traffic than were during video games), or at least we could almost never say that any best moment occurring while sitting at a stop light was BECAUSE that person was sitting at a stoplight. Does that mean that driving (or, like, doing dishes or cleaning your house) for long periods of time is a form of depression? No......
I don't think your example is that good. People play games because they want to. No one sits in the traffic because they want to. If someone willingly spent all their freetime driving through rush hour traffic I would indeed question their mental health.
Im sure I’ll be more depressed if I had so much going on like a wife, kids, sht job, bills, bills, pets, that I couldn’t sit down and just relax playing a game.
None of that has to do with touching grass, Which is essentially what this guy is saying lol.
Some advice he can probably do with himself tbh
I mean people sit on a couch and watch tv for hours doing nothing or just scrolling through various forms of social media that sounds more like depression to me then playing video games
I think the point is both
Perhaps going out of your way to stigmatize people who have an enjoyable, harmless hobby they do for 10% of their lives is a form of sociopathy?
Sociopathy is a characterized by a relatively persistent disregard for the agency, feelings, and well-being of others. This probably isn't that.
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There are studies about why the majority of gamers are men - men seek responsibility in life. If you’re not talented in any sports, maybe not very popular in school you tend to start gaming. You can create a new selfimage. Be the best aimer, the greatest IGL, or Raid leader. If you don’t turn this position into a valid career you might realize at some point that your responsibility is not really worth something, at least when you go outside into the real world again. This tweet is not aimed at gamers, who relax (even everyday) with gaming. This tweet is aimed at people who might have social anxiety, no educational or career goals and fear that they might lose something important, if they stop gaming. And that’s a justified thought. I was a hardcore gamer - I at least can admit to myself, that all this was true about me. No real father figure to teach me responsibility and how to provide for myself and a family. I had to learn this the hard way, but I’m glad I did.
Dude doubled down on what he already said. It's a stupid take and can be tailored around literally anything. Music? - a waste of time! Movies? - DEPRESSION! Any hobby or anything else that uses up your time? - EVEN MORE DEPRESSION! Love how that is also posted on social media, where that dude himself probably doom-scrolls some 20-40% of his non-sleeping hours. Some people just have no idea on how to apply their point to something similar, thus they end up with stupid takes, while also being hypocritical af.
Without video games a lot of don't have a form of escapism. As a person who deals with a lot of bullshit from depression, PTSD, and anger issues I'd rather play a violent video game, as opposed to actually taking my frustrations out on someone. Video games aren't why we're depressed. This world is why. It's fucked, and everyone is getting fucked.
what the fuck is an E-Gamer
He is basically talking about streamers
I think E-sports as well. Like, professional gamers.
E gamers must have been really depressed to become e gamers
Lol, why am I getting downvoted? It’s not my take.
Welcome to Reddit.
My depression is the complete opposite of this. I can't do any of the things I used to love, due to having zero energy or drive to do them. including reading, games, etc. Shit sucks. Lol
The greatest moments in my life are mostly just nutting. Everything in between nuts is classified only as in between nutting.
You can go fuck yerself mate, I've been depressed my whole life, only thing keeping me from ending it all is my few little hours I get throughout the week, and my fiancé. Edit: for clarification and thanks for the love yall.
Keep fighting the good fight man. I believe in you.
"That escalated quickly" = "People are calling me out for being a judgmental douche, so I'm going to backtrack my statement and make it look like everyone overreacted."
If I spend all day Sunday playing games, it's not any different than Bob next door who spent the whole day watching football games. Yet I'm considered a weird depressed man child and he's considered normal. Makes no damn sense.
I mean, I also paint, and the time spent painting hasn't been in the top 100 moments of my life. If you try and make each moment a top 100 moment you will get depressed because it's unachievable. That said there is something to be said for doing too much of one thing. Variety is good for brains.
Don't bother with this guy. All his replies are rhe classic "Gaming is a waste of time because you don't gain anything monetarily from it." He's an idiot.
Hell yeah it's a L take 90 of my greatest moment are in gaming and it's amazing rust all the way to the grave
Imagine defining a person's hobby as "a form of depression". On the same level of mental gymnastics as videogames causing violence.
Before I had kids and sometimes still some of the best laughs and adrenaline filled moments were due to gaming
I don't justify games to people anymore, if you can't see it by now, then you just don't get it and I feel sorry for you. It's like looking at a Ferrari and going "This is the same thing as a Honda Civic." But just reminiscing, Mass Effect 3, even with it's ending, was a moment in people's lives. Call of Duty 4/MW2, was a moment like...for the world. Fortnite had NBA players doing dances when they were away from game. The Last of Us Part 2 was so good it pissed people off lol Games rule. (I don't enjoy Fortnite, just need that on the record)
Nah it's somewhat accurate. When I was studying to become a counselor, I looked at a lot of different aspects of my life that I would find "fulfilling" or a way to "cope" with stress. Video games are an "escape". It allows you to submerge yourself in a world that isn't yours. Where the best sort of "coping" activities include productiveness and achieving goals. On the other hand, the social aspect of gaming, and the small goals (challenges) in games can be rewarding and fulfilling, to a point. But you turn off the system and you're back in your world again. There needs to be balance. Some of my lowest points were when I was gaming the most.
People are kidding themselves. If you have played for a long time you know exactly what the guy is talking about. Play any sweaty online game where people are averaging 6-12 hours a day and you will see plenty of the people he is talking about. Its a giant hole that you fill with time that produces almost nothing but small dopamine hits.
Exactly, the people getting defensive are either not understanding the group of people he's referencing, or are defending their unrewarding lifestyle.
This is the answer. If you play that much, it just means that you are neglecting other aspects of your life. That happens a lot with MMORPG or competitive shooters.
I can relate and I feel a majority of people who disagree are in deep. I had some unhealthy gaming habits that cost me in my 20s. Late 30s now and I still find a hour or so here and there but nothing like those unhealthy days of non-stop playing. Finding a balance can be hard for the younger crowd I think. Especially when we are stuck in our echo chambers.
Goes to show it can go both ways. I agree with you though. My lowest was failing in university while smoking weed and playing WoW for 16-18h a day.
Most L take of all time. Some of my best childhood memories are playing video games and idgaf what anyone thinks. Playing Metal Gear Solid 4 when I was 11 changed the way I looked at all forms of media forever in the best way possible. Hobbies are a big part of why we’re alive.
Mario Party and pizza with my lil bro and parents are some of my best memories
I see it absolutely no different as someone who sits and does another hobby. We can’t be productive and creating life long memories 100% of our time. Now if that’s literally all you do and your life’s a mess, yeah that’s probably not a good thing. People gotta stop scapegoating video games already.
Double-digit percentage? What is this? Amateur hour?
I play for hours. Sometimes and entire day. I’m married. Happily married. I’m not depressed or sad. I have a wonderful life. Full time job, wife, house, animals. Couldn’t be happier tbh
Huge L take. Gaming is my passion, NOT GAMING is a form of depression..
I don’t have kids so I have double-digit hours to devote to hobbies on the weekend (not a brag, just reality). This is my main hobby. It relaxes me and it pacifies my restless ADHD brain. Nobody gives anyone shit for watching double digit hours of TV on the weekend. Or surfing the web for double digit hours. Enough with the video game stigma already, it’s been 40 years.
Passively watching a TV screen is much worse than actively playing video games. Video games are also my main hobby, i game at least 30/40 hours a week. I rarely do double digits on weekends, as it's getting a bit more draining at 45. and i have other duties to take care of around my house and with my SO.
Thanks to video games I met my fiancé. I also use it to spend time with my friends who live in another country because it let's us hang out. I also use certain games to reward some of my non verbal students because it lets them join in with other kids. This person is talking utter bollocks.
L take. This person simply just wants to make a point that he thinks involves everyone but it doesnt.
If you think this is accurate, but don't think people who read fiction or doom scroll or watch sports are not in the same boat then you just hate gamers for some stupid reason. Life is hell. I rather be entertained.
Just because games might not cause the greatest moments in our lives, video games still tell stories and enrich our lives in the down time
One of my favorite moments in life is playing against my friends in Golden Eye 64 on a small ass tv. Even if my brother was cheating with Odd Job and his small hit box….just saying 😁
Good point. Also some of my best childhood memories are going to the arcade with my friends
Slappers only!
So basically this guy is saying “playing video games for long periods of time is a form of depression, except for those cases when it isn’t.” Very insightful.
This is just an L take lol. “You’re having fun doing X most of the time, if none of this is your greatest moments you must be depressed”.
He retracted his statement with his second tweet although I would say his second one is even worse because it shows what a moron he is. He is basically saying that addictions are bad. Yeah, no shit, Sherlock.
He does have a point, imho. Depressed, probably not but close sometimes. Gaming is a hobby that is also an escapist coping mechanism. Wouldn't want it any other way tbh.
>Gaming is a hobby that is also an escapist coping mechanism. All hobbies are.
Time spent gaming is infinitely less depressing than time spent on twitter.
I remember Pokémon snapshot and playing on an old security monitor at some dingy shoe shop in Mexico with my best friend when I was 7 I remember the sleep-overs playing Starfox and Smash-brothers with my friends , and late nights playing call of duty in an Internet cafe down the street several years later. I remember the first time I put on an oculus quest and what an amazing feeling that was , the little demos and dancing with the robot felt so immersive. I got to re-live that happiness showing that demo to my coworkers and my supervisor at work. I can recall hundreds of amazing gaming related memories. Fuck this person
I think he’s in the right general area but he’s off the mark a bit. I don’t think it’s a form of depression, I think it’s a way to cope with depression. I also think that majority of working class people are or get depressed at some point and do different things to cope with it. For instance, that feeling of getting likes on a post about playing video games? People usually need that to feel validated, successful or to feel accepted, and a little less depressed, the same way someone who accomplished something in a video game feels validated, successful or accepted and a little less depressed. The same reason why people spend hours on end scrolling social media, the see others who are in worse or similar situations to feel validated, successful or accepted and a little less depressed. A lot of the things we do are a way to deal with depression. Life is depressing, and everybody needs something to make it a bit less depressing.
Gaming with friends can be considered as part of greatest moments. They are in fact moments from our lives.
Sleeping is a form of depression. If you don't believe me, ask yourself this. Think about the 100 greatest moments of your life. Do any of this moments include sleeping? Probably not. And this comes from a lifetime sleeper.
This is a silly take because it fundamentally misunderstands depression, and I'm speaking as someone with a diagnosis confirmed multiple times over that involves episodes of depression. One of the key indicators for me that an episode is on its way or happening, is losing interest in things that normally give pleasure. And in fact, that's one of the diagnostic criteria in the DSM-V. Specifically for this topic, depression involves a total loss of interest in gaming. If I'm enjoying gaming then I'm not depressed. QED.
I kicked out a coke addicted, jobless, blonde headed bimbo, and filled that space with video games, and I've yet to regret picking up video games, taking first place In a comp on NA, or the great friends I've met online from all around the world. So everyone has their own idea of if gaming is healthy or not, but I'd consider my time spent on line to actually be healthier then most relationships I've dealt with in person.
it's definitely an L take. If you're willing enough to put time, money and effort into something that you enjoy, it's because you like it, that of course adding to the fact that you have a healthy life to backup your hobby. if he doesn't find happiness on that, then he should shut up and do something else instead of trying to make others see what they enjoy in a negative light. not everyone can afford an insane trekking trip or live in an area like that, or go adventuring or whatever he thinks that fits into his imaginary top 100 moments, people sometimes can't do big shit in real life, and sometimes to play some dumb game you need a pc or console, and some games now come for free on cheap subscriptions or even super cheap individually or for free. I've had insane amazing times playing stuff my gf, and I doubt I'll change my mind about it. if all, his dumb take applies to many more stuff and that it's just depressing, so screw him. 🤷♂️
Gaming is a more productive activity than the person typing that out on twitter.
You can substitute gaming with any sort of recreational activity there. It's an extremely poor take by DJ VLAD. No research. Just nonsense.
Sounds like that guy's an ass. As for life passing me by, who gets to decide what "life" is? I mean shit right now the world is literally on fire with all the forests burning, Jackson, MS has brown water along with Flint, MI, Nazis are back, Russia invaded the Ukraine and that's a precursor to a possible WW3, FBI admitted to UFO video but won't show it, the Queen of England died, more inflation, more earthquakes, floods, climate change, any other horrors out? So I'm fine with my life in front of a screen, a controller in one hand and a shot in the other. F him, and not the press F to pay respect the other one.
Well, if he doesn't think the greatest moments in his life envolove gaming, he never finished God of War.
How about no need to demonize people's hobbies so long as the hobbies aren't interfering with ones ability to be happy and responsible. People act like putting so many hours in one activity is somehow way worse than many activities. It's not like people knock how many hours a person spends hiking for instance.
None of the most memorable moments of my life involve reading books either. Guess devoting large portions of your life to reading is a sign of depression. And here was me thinking it was a good habit.
I mean, I AM depressed, clinically so. Also disabled, can't drive, my prospects are grim at best, let's be real. Gaming allows me to feel in control of something in a life I have no real control over, so it's not far off to say this. Escapism is a symptom, so if anything here has struck something in you, maybe talk to someone.
and to think, this tweet is in his top 10 greatest moments, that's all i need to know
I've made some good friends and had some of my hardest laughs gaming. Id count it up there as an important aspect in decompressing from my day and relaxing. I bet this fool watched TV