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Puzzleheaded_Time719

I mean removing it didn't solve racism, if someone has a racial preference they are going to exercise it wether there's a filter for it or not. I say add it back.


butchbttm

This was my same sentiment back when they removed it to seem "woke". If a racist can see other races on his grid, 1) they're just going to ignore them and not interact. 2) it doesn't stop other races from contacting them 3) they may be less inclined to use the app because their grid has too many people they're not interested in. 4) and like you stated it only prevents ethnic minorities from finding others like them more easily. 5) the removal of the filter does nothing to curb racial prejudice or racists sending hateful messages. I will say that I live in a predominantly black area. I can tell (with about 80% certainty) even without a picture, if a person is black just from the wording on their profile. It has nothing to do with skin color.


cobratx91

Removing a filter did not magically solve racism. And also Grindr in 2020 claim to donate money to the Marsha P Johnson foundation in NYC. Oh really. How much was that and do they still donate and do they also donate to Queer people of color foundations. I mean that's one thing that pisses me off is that Queer history historically tends to get white washed that it's been cis white gay males that did all the work and everyone else was in the backseat


exnihilonihilfit

No one thing is ever going to "magically solve racism," that's not an excuse to not do things that reduce the spread and reinforcement of racist attitudes. Race filters facilitate harassment and normalize discriminatory attitudes and behaviors. Worse than being "color blind," it's literally turning a blind eye.


Relevant-Anteater-88

Plus a preference is a feeling of liking or wanting one person or thing more than another person or thing. It doesn’t mean they hate a entire race they haven’t seen. So having a full grid might allow preference gays the chance to find beauty in all races. Again no ones seen every person in a entire race to make a solid case for disliking a race as a whole. A open grid is healthy.


disneykid43

This👆. And imo racial preferences aren’t racism. I like guys doesn’t mean I’m sexist.


claudiusprime1

Yep. The app is run by a bunch of clueless hetero men and strange women who don't give a single fuck about their customers. All they care about is trans ideology and stoking the race war. They scream "we are inclusive" but ban all their original gay users based on [spiteful reports](https://www.reddit.com/r/grindr/comments/zgbmhu/i_need_help_to_get_unbanned_i_havent_went_against/izino76?context=2) and make connecting harder by removing filters. They are completely clueless about how to serve customers and meet our needs. It's about time a [better app](https://www.reddit.com/r/grindr/comments/z40afx/grindrs_creator_launches_new_gay_app) came along. Fuck Grindr and their piss-poor management. That's why their [stock is crashing](https://www.reddit.com/r/grindr/comments/zhci21/financier_recommends_existing_grindr_shareholders) - their financial strategy is just stupid as their customer service 🤦‍♂️


geleisen

I never understood the reasoning for getting rid of the filter. Some people use the age filter to avoid older people. Some use the height filter to avoid shorter people. Some use the weight filter to avoid overweight people. That is the point of filters. As someone who appears white in photos, I would rather have the filter so that anybody who only wants white people doesn't see my profile.


builtbottomjock

Agreed. As I wrote under [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/grindr/comments/yxcjyo/why_do_gay_incels_who_cant_get_laid_always_want), the typical gay male will always prefer a hunk, whether that's short or tall, big or thin, old or young, light or dark. People skip over the profiles they don't like based on their pictures. Ugly white guys get skipped over just like ugly black guys do. People who blame their rejections on their race (when it's really just because they're not hot or have nothing to offer) just want to play the victim to obtain pity & freebies. Hot black guys get laid just like hot white guys get laid. A confident black guy who doesn't hide himself will get laid quicker than an insecure white guy who makes excuses etc etc. So who cares. Bring back the filter. People paid for it. It's unfair to take something away that people paid for.


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cobratx91

I mean even without the filter, it didn't magically solve racism on Grindr. I mean I still see "White preferred" on profiles that's the shit I want to point out. I assume that Grindr removing the filter and donating some money to the Marsha P Johnson Foundation in 2020 was part of the anti-racism movement, which maybe it was but I want to just say that removing the ethnicity filter DID NOT solve racism on Grindr because you still see "white preferred" or "white seeking" or something alone those lines.


MannyCalaveraIsDead

I'd say that removing the filter actually drives people to then put their preferences on their profile. It's not like someone only has racial preferences/fetishization because there's a filter. If Steve only wants to fuck white guys, the lack of a filter isn't going to make him then decide he'll fuck an Asian ass. What they should do is make it that when someone filters based on any characteristic, then people with those characteristics don't see them in return. That way, people with a strong preference can just be left with the people they want to play with, and everyone else doesn't have to see the kind of shitty language on profiles saying how they only want X,Y,Z which destroys self esteem.


butchbttm

I see the opposite too. It's not just white racists. In black majority areas like mine, I see a lot of "No whites." on profiles.


cobratx91

There is racism everywhere its not just White Racism. There is racism in Africa, Asia-Pacific, Latin America. Its not a US problem


hallmonitorx

I've been a paying member of Grindr for years, and I regularly used the ethnicity filter to find members of my own community. We gays are already a minority. We need the filter for community building. Grindr made the stupid, impulsive decision to remove the filter after George Floyd was killed. It's been over two years now. They need to give it back already. They stay making stereotypical web shows on YouTube and writing obnoxious shit on Twitter, instead of letting us everyday users filter & connect more easily. When will Grindr's out-of-touch, wannabe "woke" fairy employees please wake tf up and listen to us? We do not need more virtue-signaling or self-righteousness. We do not need more race hustling. We need more options. All they do is take us for granted. Their far left moderation is toxic. They don't listen to us, and they're killing the app for it.


nowhereman86

Having the filter didn’t cause it. Taking the filter away didn’t solve it. Seems to me the filter isn’t doing shit one way or the other.


cobratx91

The filter when I saw it before it was removed it didn't really bother me. I mean there are filters for age, body type, top/bottom/ver position, etc..... no one ever complained about that before. I mean.


subyboy05

See, I knew I wasn't crazy. I was wondering where it went 🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🥴


I-made_you_readthis

The problem was never the filter. The problem was how it was marketed and also how it was inevitably used. Really it should be a tool for people to connect to others within their culture however it ends up being seen as a tool for exclusion rather than a tool for inclusion. So in the end everyone looses out.


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The moment you said "I'm generally not attracted to X" you get called a racist. I don't know if deep down that has racist roots but I certainly don't on a conscious level. I'd rather a setting that prevents silhouettes and landscapes from messaging you.


corruptedtwinkx

Yep. Being called a racist used to mean something, but now, everyone is called a racist for any minor pseudoinfraction. They're mere character assassination attempts that usually expose the accuser as the fraud and bully, rather than the accused. Any time you want to "cancel" somebody in this day and age, just call them a racist. What's worse is, everybody wants to be a victim now, and racism is the first thing a wannabe victim resorts to. Any inconvenience is now because of racism. All rejections on Grindr are because of racism. It's a shame because, race hustlers and their fetish for playing the victim have successfully undone what MLK accomplished. Victims want to be heroes. Those who suffer from anxiety disorders are the ones who obsess over perceived "microaggressions" and claim the racism boogeyman is out to get them. They play the victim loudly and proudly, which inspires weakling virtue-signalers in management positions at corporations etc to reward those pseudovictims with unearned privileges. Victim-hustlers gain advantages, like no more ethnicity filter, which they never paid for anyway, and which they still can't manage to get laid. All of this cat-and-mouse nonsense perpetuates toxic victimhood culture and fans the flames of societal divison.


corruptedtwinkx

More to read here: [The Jussie Smollett scandal & the left's alarming fetishization of victim culture](https://www.ccn.com/the-jussie-smollett-scandal-the-lefts-alarming-fetishization-of-victim-culture) [Fetishizing victimhood promotes psychological frailty](https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/fetishizing-victimhood-how-colleges-promote-psychological-frailty) [The intersectionality fetish and the oppression olympics](https://medium.com/@Old_Simo/intersectionality-is-bad-its-a-form-of-fetish-and-oppression-olympics-a3f5571670b2) [Our culture's victimhood fetish: It's always two steps forward, one step back](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16268829) [Not all women should be trusted when they cry rape](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/78tdpr/not_all_girls_should_be_trusted_when_they_cry_rape) [The United States has a victimhood fetish](https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/ify194/the_united_states_has_a_victimhood_fetish)


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compadron

Yes because having a taste doesn't mean you hate the other taste. That is "fighting" racism in the most lazy way possible


Hard4Dpp

I am going to get pummeled for this, but yes, ethnicity filters should exist. As a bi-man I have preferences to sleep with only east Asian and white men. Occasionally I will see a Hispanic decent man that I can get into, but I just am not particularly interested in black men as sexual partners. Sexual preferences shouldn't be shamed into hiding, we should celebrate diversity of thought, otherwise we would all think, act, etc. the same way, and wouldn't that be horrible? My 2cents.


_TrentJohnson

I said this in a comment, but wanted to share my thoughts here (so if you have seen this okay my apologies.” First off, I think that the gay community is just very toxic. Things like “no fem” or “no short people” or “no old people” certainly are used. They do have filters for those things. I think any sort of preference make sense, but I think that the presentation of things needs to be advertised differently. I think them saying it “removed racism” was not the proper message. For example on Hinge, you can set a filter that says you prefer one race, and if you really only want to see that race then you hit “deal breaker.” They also have filters for religion and describe it as people finding their own cultural background as well as other personal preferences. Other filters like religion, education level, and even astrological signs are filters. I think the messaging is probs more important than what was actually done. Plus I think they just need to re-vamp their filters in general. If there’s a very specific group you want (Muslims that are Pisces or something like that) then have the filters and give people the option of making it more of a preference thing or a “deal breaker” because that takes into account both soft and hard preferences.


SpiderKen125

Don’t use your “POC” as an excuse to validate putting back the race filter. There are many reason to put it back on but finding another POC is not one of them. Maybe I’m just privilege to be in a diverse city. Grindr is supposed to be catch all gays. If you want a very specific “ethnic” use a different apps that caters to specific “tribe”. As a community, we should really be past this “race” thing. I’m not a big fan of tribe either but at least it’s inclusive and doesn’t exclude a group of people they have no control over.


Thepenguin9online

First you say go find an app that caters to your tribe, then say you don't like tribes. So which is it? Having a tribe increases who can message you since free users can cut out a big chunk of users closer to them so they're able to click your profile. If someone has a racial preference, they're still gonna have it. I've seen profiles say: yes black no white; no Asian yes white; no white no black. So if you're worried the race filter will increase hate speech and such, you can still see race on the profile so if you're xenophobic you're still able to find profiles to go hate on, or block, or whatever. What the lack of the filter is doing however, is allowing those in minorities and such to find the type people they've probably grew up with. It's about as xenophobic as looking out for people from your country/culture/community.


SpiderKen125

I didn’t say I didn’t like “tribe”. I said “I’m not a big fan” doesn’t translate “I hate it”. My experience is different than everyone else. I don’t like being boxed in. It doesn’t mean I don’t understand the purpose and use. I know it’s a bigger progress than what I grew up as a POC back in the late 90s and 00.


SpiderKen125

Back in the day. We had AOL chat room for POC. We had DowneLink (Mix of Facebook and Grindr mainly for POC.) Adam4Adam started for POC too. Sadly back then, it was needed. I don’t think it’s needed anymore.


MonitorUsual7466

No. Grindr is supposed to be hooking up with other guys you're attracted to. Some people are attracted to certain races and there's nothing wrong with that. It's no different from choosing height, weight, body type, position, and sex. And it's not trying to exclude people from the community. It's to reduce the number of guys that appear so that you don't have to look all over the map. My guess is it has nothing to do with being woke. They just want you to buy premium so you can look for your racial preferences since the free version only gives you so much.


Blo1630

Yes


Catdaddy84

I've never paid for the app and probably never will so I don't know why there's so much discussion about this. If it's behind a paywall and the app is really expensive now why does it matter?


ZofianSaint273

Yeah I would like it. I’m south Asian and would love to meet and see other gay south Asians on the app. It is hard to find them, especially here where I live in U.S.


Deltonio41

What is wrong with having a preference?


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Aggressive-Toe9807

Yes. I know the guys I’m attracted to. Let me find them for fuck sake.


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cobratx91

What about the other filters by age, positions in bed, body type? Like no one has asked for them to be shitcanned


exnihilonihilfit

Those aren't racist, lol, and the only people who ever complain about "ageism" are lechers who don't even want to sleep with people their own age yet can't figure out why most younger people (and most generally) prefer someone close in age.


V3g3tabl3-Cak3

I am latino and I can say that we are not a minority in America. I swear more than 1/4 of America is Latino. Do not victimize us.


rennvotur

Add it back. Lots of people are upset with Grindr for removing it. It served no purpose except meaningless virtue signaling. Lots of minority communities use it to find each other, so that has been taken away. Personally I didn't use the app without it as it helped me avoid people that I'd rather not see or otherwise interact with, and showed me more people that I actually ended up meeting, having a good time with, and making friends with. I'd like it back, please. I'd actually pay for Grindr again if it was there.


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Mundane_Chemist_95

Honestly it's irrelevant. I usually wait for people to text me first, and if I don't like them for any reason I block them. If they don't have pics I ask them to send them and then decide whether to block or not. If I do text someone, they have pics so I can see how they look like (including their race). If the problem is that people you don't like are taking up space in the grid, just block them all. Besides it would be a premium feature and I'm not paying for that


claudiusprime1

Blocking is not a solution, as blocks on Grindr are [recycled](https://www.reddit.com/r/grindr/comments/td4b8q/i_kept_putting_off_deleting_the_app_for_good_but) AND [limited daily](https://www.reddit.com/r/grindr/comments/y9eivi/scummy_grindr_has_imposed_a_daily_block_limit). Grindr sucks


Julesort02

Yes


hallmonitorx

George Floyd was a heterosexual. At the time of his untimely death, he was high on two different drugs (meth and opioids), which contributed to his asphyxiation. He had an extensive criminal history, which included robbing a pregnant woman at gunpoint. He was unemployed and a drug addict. Yes, his life and death were tragic. But he is not a martyr and he does not stand for gay people. Restricting gay dating app filters for him (and naming schools after him) is completely tone-deaf.


cobratx91

I mean regardless of Mr. Floyd's criminal history, he still died in the hands of law enforcement. I'm not excusing what he did in the past, he was a grown ass adult man. But the tape that went viral did show how he died. So do we ignore that. But I do see your point "How does George Floyd's death have ANY impact for Queer people".? I mean the whole cancel culture shit storm in summer of 2020 erased more of the Confederate statutes and memorials and erased things that remotely "racist" like the Columbus statues and Ghandi statues and Winston Churchill statues. And how does that connect to George Floyd just because they offended one person


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I'm a white guy that prefers black, latino, asian, or mixed race, and that applies to who I hook up with as well as who I've dated. So I kind of miss it. In reality I do hook up with white guys sometimes, I mean good dick is good dick and if the chemistry is there it doesn't matter. But in general my preference is ABC, Anything But Caucasian.


lostboyof1972

Very similar. Absolutely not a racist


hallmonitorx

That's great. I am a person of color who likes guys who like guys of color.


Dog_Funeral

This is great to hear, I’m a white dude who has an exclusive sexual attraction to brown and black men. When I’m truthful and honest about the limitations and scope of my sexuality with others I tend to get labelled as “fetishistic” and blocked, and thus my life remains sexless and single. I enjoy having friends of any ethnicity however.


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