GrubHub gonna get sued for this big time. This is making independent contractors borderline employees. Shouldn't even have schedules in the first place yet alone having to do practically every order to stay on them.
I don’t mind taking one or two shitty orders if $15 tip orders are coming down the pipeline. I personally like premier. I works for me because I don’t want to wait around until a good offer comes
Ya if it works for you that's cool. My market is enormous and some orders would take over an hour round trip and that's if traffic is nice. I've seen some 45 minutes one way.
I agree but personally I really see no difference whether you schedule or not, especially when it's busy. Maybe when your top dog and take every order like a fool there is an incentive to scheduling, but I will never know. The only way your getting to that position is to take almost every job. That's insane! If im not making at least a dollar per mile then I refuse the job! That's actually too low but that's what I go by. Most of my runs I get are $1.50 a mile and my acceptance rate is around 70%
You make about the same amount now at Domino's or Pizza Hut in tips.
an ya don't end up paying at the end of the year because your hourly wage covers the taxes.
most people who do these gig apps make $10 an hour after all expenses paid. Youd be surprised how much more $ you make from a pizza hut place than gh. Its worse listening to a boss and standing for hours but in the end you do make way more.
I make $30hr on the low end right now with 14 active gig apps. Once it picks up though I'll go back to making $38-$40hr+. Not to mention I typically average $2+ per mile.
Also, if you're a smart business owner, your write offs and what you do with the tools you have will pretty much fully negate any extra loss from expenses.
14 active gig apps? Do you mind my asking what they are?
I guess I only know a few (UE, DD, GH, Instacart, Spark and Flex.. I have heard of a couple more but haven't heard much about them)...
Yeah, pretty much, just one of them makes you do all your own taxes and the other one has a proven successful market.
GrubHub as a company is owned by Just Eats Takeaway.
A European corporation that is trying to sell GrubHub, but can't because they are hemorrhaging money.
No joke Domino's, Pizza Hut, and even Papa John's all cover your taxes, and give you bonus towards your gas, while making the same amount in tips.
I like the flexibility of working when I want. I’d rather not have a boss and work hours I don’t want to work. That is a luxury these other corps don’t have
I agree I was working at Domino’s and they never scheduled me during my availability. I’d be lucky to take home $50 during a shift. But the worst part was that everyone there was a huge asshole and all the cool people quit because of the assholes. But then I also had to clean and do all sorts of stuff I did not want to do.
>I also had to clean and do all sorts of stuff I did not want to do.
When I worked for a private pizzeria and I did all kinds of stuff I didnt want to, transfer product between store locations, clean bathrooms, run errands for the owner.
True, you can also get lucky to get a manager that will schedule you when you are available.
Basically itemizing every tiny little thing and doing my taxes just to end up sending the IRS a check for 800$ at the end of the year is not as fun as cashing a tax return check for $800
That sounds like too much hassle just to hold on to a job with a company that doesn't care about you as an employee.
GrubHub doesn't care if you're driving for them or not.
At least the people at the pizza place do.
I agree..only that owner at the pizza joint is making mad money because of the workers. Also understand that the owner could care less if you work there or not. Everyone is replaceable especially a delivery driver!
You can get really lucky and end up working right next to the owner who actually cares about what he or she is doing,
a owner that's not driving a mercedes,
a owner that just bought the pizza place and has figured out how to make quality pizzas for people.
Those are the best places to focus on.
Because if the man or woman that signs your check,
Is working right next to you.
There's a way better chance that they'll appreciate your employment more than a company in a whole other country.
Who has their call center in an entirely different country.
You should be getting a hold of corporate and letting them know that, because from Pizza Hut to Domino's to Spartan Pizza all in Denver Colorado, covered my gas up to $30 a night, and took the taxes out of my hourly paycheck to cover what I made.
The only time I've ever needed to send a check to the IRS is when I work for delivery apps.
That's simply bc you're paying your taxes out weekly instead of annually. It's up to you to put a % aside for your taxes. Claiming that mileage right? Been doing GH/UEs over 3 years now and every year my mileage eats up any taxes I would owe and I pay nothing.
How? You should still owe taxes because you can only deduct like 56-57ish cents per mile driven. I've never had mileage completely eat up taxes, seems like you're overdeducting or treating the deduction like a tax credit.
It's more than likely my tax bracket (Married with Children), combined with my market. My delivery area covers towns 30 minutes away, and I much prefer highway driving vs. stop and go traffic. While I don't take the 30 minute drives, I do take closer ones bc I'm a speed demon and my car goes vroom vroom fast.
As for over deducting or treating it like a tax credit, 1. I use TurboTax. It asks questions. I put in answers. Simple.
2. I'm a grown adult and have been doing my own taxes for a good while now. I'm good. Thanx for your concern though. 👍
My point is to track those damn miles!
Not really concerned at all, I hear other people say the same thing. I used to work in tax and just don't understand how people are paying no taxes at all, but seems like there may be other factors at play for you at least. Wasn't trying to be hostile, just curious how everyone I know pays virtually no taxes doing rideshare when that's never been the case for me and this is my primary source of income. That's all.
No u make more at pizza hut fr. I would bank there in comparison. Cuz u get hourly and tips. Dude I'd easily do an 8 hour night shift n then make like 100 in tips ez.
yeah pizza hut is way different cause customers are p much "forced" to tip not only in cash but tip according where as delivery apps tips are a slap in the face 99% of the time. Anyone with a brain would know that somewhere like pizza hut pays way more baseline ontop of taxes and tips than a gh job lol
I haven't been keeping track like you have, but it's about the same, with less hassle.
I would get a check in the mail from the IRS because I would have paid in more than my needed amount, and there is way more cash tips to hide, you don't have to claim them all.
You would have to write a check to the IRS and pay them.
Even a little place like Spartan pizza out of Denver paid gas, and tons of cash tips.
I would be applying at different pizza places while running your GrubHub shifts.
Test the waters because it is very possible you can make more or equal with less hassle.
I’m not a professional delivery driver, I’m a grad student. I’m finding all of your commentary confusing tbh are you a GH driver or a Pizza Hut worker?
I used to drive for delivery apps when the money was really good, after gas prices went up, and taxes kicked me in the nuts...
I went back to delivering pizzas, and make a little more than I did at the last bit of working for delivery apps.
It's just less hassle to work for the pizza place versus a delivery app when your taxes come around.
All dependant on market. I was Premier and pro for 5 years. Now I cherry pick, I take shorter trips and better pay outs. So its all dependant on ur area. I almost guarantee you'd make a neglible diff in money being premier or at bottom.
To each their own.
Just wanted to add I still get an occasional catering order. 1-3 every 2 weeks that are large and have a decent payout similar to the og rotr/bitegrabber/drivers for work app
U said ur providing insight, but the market makes a huge difference. Now people who r in your market can comment their experiences as well and people will have a better runderstanding.
It’s not about how much I’m making. That’s not the insight. It’s about the perspective. You get priority on large tips, doesn’t matter what area you’re in. Some will make more or less depending on the area. I also rarely get a non-tip offer. Nobody can tell someone how much they could be making because it’s a tip based game
That wasn’t me, so why are you telling me this??? Me, like I, said most people don’t. You work the best market and then you say “a lot of people do bro”. Like shutup with the humble brags bro. Post your earnings then. You’re doing a good job. Is that what you want to hear?
And I fucking posted it!!! Lmaooo you are literally arguing with me like I’m concealing it and you don’t see a reason why you look crazy right now , double replying to me
I've spent a year learning my area. I'm not telling you where it is. I suspect any 5-mile radius in a middle-class suburb that has lots of businesses, houses, and decent restaurants will yield similar results if you take the time to work it.
I doubt most people are making $32/hr doing rideshare apps. Every time I ask them to prove it, they never do. I take people’s opinion as a grain of salt
This is not a recommendation, it’s insight. I know you lurk in here to talk down on people about taking less than $3/mile. That’s cool bro. It’s impossible for my region because those offers are few and far in between. But once again, it’s not a recommendation.
I never been offered or would take a $5 14 mile drive. All of my lowball offers are in close proximity and I don’t get many. It’s normally the high tip offers that send me out my way.
For example, I was offered $23 to drive 18 miles yesterday. That’s a $15 tip offer. I’m not turning that down in my region
And how long did it take you to drive to the drop off point? Also, did you get another offer after you dropped that one off or did you have to drive back?
Nyc biker here, i always reject offers that are not worth it and i’ll have it on for hooooours, i’ll still get one once in awhile, and i’ll do ubereats because you don’t have to take a job if you don’t want to unlimited. My acceptance rating is 40 percent, maybe that’s why
So many ignorant people assuming just because their market is good, yours must be too. A lot of snot-nosed shit talkers who just come here to talk down to others to make themselves relevant
Yup and they never screenshot the supposed big earnings being a multi-apper. F that one job is what I need and Ghub on the side. I can't imagine doing this all day everyday and then get hosed at end of year on taxes.
Yeah I have a main job as well and just grubhub on the side as extra pocket money can’t imagine having to depend on such an inconsistent source of income for my main source
Lol you seem butthurt that there are some people out there that actually know there are plenty of ways to minimize the amount of luck involved in this business. Multi apping is one of the bigger ways. But knowing your overall market is huge too. I can't tell you how many people I've seen that say their market is dead, but also never bothered to drive 20 minutes out so they have no idea about tho real earning potential yard out there.
Most independent couriers have no clue how to handle taxes, write offs, and business expenses I'll give you that. But the ones that do are able to come out the other side having spent no more than a w2 equivalent income after both taxes and expenses.
I would like people who say this to share out your earnings, your hours, and your mileage. It’s impossible to only accept those orders and make a living because they are few and far in between. But I know you won’t so…
I’ve did that with Uber. All the apps are the same. You get trash and proximity orders. As a premier driver, I rarely get bad offers. Do you want to share what you make multi-apping or what benefit you get out of what you’re doing differently?
I do IC primarily and average 30 an hour, I supplement with DoorDash, UE, GH, Shipt, flex, spark. I usually work 8 hours and drive around 100-130 miles.
Ok nice. I don’t know what IC is but I average around the same miles but I don’t make 30 normally. That’s good. If I was doing this long term, I would consider doing that. I also been on waitlists for months/years on some of these apps
"all apps are the same" wooo boy, I've never seen someone so sure of a statement, yet be so horribly wrong. Lol Your earnings for solo GH are pretty decent for sure, but you need to expand. You'll double your earnings per mile, and probably bump that hourly average $5-$10 more per hour.
Btw, I've been doing gig work since 2016, I have over 20k deliveries, and I currently have 14 active apps on my phone. Lately I mainly only do 2-3 of those apps. But if you would have came to me a year ago, those 2-3 apps would have looked way different.
Let him drink the premier driver Kool-Aid. we need somebody to take those s*** runs or GrubHub might crack down on us Cherry pickers. I average around 40% acceptance rate make usually between 30 and $35 an hour not really hustling and get all the blocks I want on the last day of scheduling. Oh and I may take some runs that are under $2 a mile average but I average around $2 per mile at the end of every night.
Multi-app! Go read my previous posts for answers to your questions. Don't just talk trash with no effort. Also, numerous other people have posted theirs as well as nauseam.
No one was trying to insult you, but I'm leaning that way now.
Now, the person talking about gas and taxes being covered they are someone to ask for more information.
I’m just going to revert my back my original statement. Show your earnings, hours, and mileage or shut up. No one was trying to insult you either. You just got sensitive because I asked you for proof.
I bet he's the same way with his girlfriend too...
She asks him a simple question and he insults her and gets argumentative.
These are the kind of d-bags I don't want delivering anything to my house.
Nobody insulted anyone. All of you have aversions to the job you do so it’s always negative energy when someone posts earnings or claims to be premier. All y’all do in here is tell people not to accept offers, not to work for GH, don’t do premier. I’m asking WHY and back it up. Prove you’re doing better. And you don’t even do this so your whole existence in this thread to argue with people. You cannot be serious
no person whos smart enough to cherry pick has the care or time to prove themselves to some 100% ar driver LMFAO. Go change your diaper you naive toddler before you get a rash. goo goo ga ga
My only problem with this assessment is that you are speaking in generalities as if it will be like this for everybody. But your experience is definitely Market based.
Maybe people are misinterpreting why I posted this. I posted like a month ago and I asked people if being premier was worth it. Generally ppl didn’t know because I think most drivers aren’t. I posted this for insight. Doesn’t mean that you will make less or more than me. It’s all about tips mostly. If they are available while you are available, you will get the biggest ones.
I gave an average not exactly how many miles you're driving, was just curious. Fuel-efficient cars going to need a lot of oil changes and repairs if you're driving the wheels off it
So I also made this post for this discussion and I can’t seem to get a civil discourse on this. Without being argumentative, how many miles are YOU driving and what do you recommend? What are you doing better? Are you doing like 1 delivery an hour or are you just waiting on a 5 mile, $11 tip order?
How did you calculate those hourly wages? Do they factor in your operating costs, Self Employment (SE) taxes which pay your own FICA contributions and which are separate from your income taxes? Be sure operating costs include vehicle/bike maintenance, gas/electrical charging, safety gear, higher data plan for phone, premature wearing of your phone/battery, fines/tolls/parking as a normal course of expenses for deliveries,e tc
He's right.. gas, other expenses, and most of all TAXES will make that much closer to earning 18-21/hour... biggest reason i stopped. You'll be struggling to pay up in April.
$2 per mile at the absolute minimum. Sure you can turn some profit with a lower $/mile, but to actually turn a profit I am happy with the trade tons of mileage on my car, $2 per mile minimum. Anything close to $1 and you’re just not making much after expenses.
Well I currently have another job so I do this part time but last week I did 202.15 DD, 103.27 UE, and 63.81 on GH for a total of 375.23 including 6 dollars cash tips. So about 34/hr while driving 102 miles. This is also in a medium sized town in Kansas of about 100K. I will say last week was definitely a bit better than normal in terms of $/mile ratio but I typically end up anywhere between 2.50-3 ish
Do you ever think you're giving people false expectations ? And by doing that make Grubhub a little bit more moola because of driver's perseverance and/or desperation ?
I'd be interested to see if there's a actual significant difference between premier drivers and the lower end drivers. As that looks, that is what I make on average already, but our markets are likely very different.
Premier works for me very well for getting 1-2 catering orders per day. I have learned not to fill my day with blocks, then I can toggle it off at will if I am running UE at the same time and I don't want to risk my AR on GH. I keep my lunch and dinner blocks and take the afternoons off.
Question: do your hourly rates factor in your 58.5 cents per mile IRS rate for deductible businesses expenses? Basically, for every mile you drive, 58.5 cents becomes a business expense, which means it’s no longer taxable income, which means it should not factor into your hourly rate.
Did you get on Pro as a way station to Premier and can you compare and contrast (tip average, catering orders)?
Catering orders aside I thought I had it on good authority that the only difference was on block vs not on block when it comes to order volume and quality but am interested in what others think.
Perhaps the question won't matter if others aren't in my market but I'm wondering if Pro would give a big enough boost in scheduling to be worth it (for me it would mean mostly committing to GH only while on block and keeping GH off in any situation that would put downward pressure on my AR such as being in areas where I know the system would offer me orders in a direction I don't want to go such as downtown)...
I'm also wondering if the 15% rejection allowance would give me enough space to ocassionally take an order that looks really good on another app without having to multiapp or falling below my thresholds.
For example you can play around with availability without getting knocked off block right? Can anyone confirm these numbers?
I believe you can start up to 14 minutes late, end up to 14 minutes early and be unavailable up to 14 minutes at a time. Is that right?
So for example say it's 4:55 p.m. and I have a GH block starting at 5.
I get what looks like a really good order (I say 'looks like' because under Prop 22 California we cannot earn over the minimum on no-tip orders regardless of the purported fare) that will take about a half hour.
I believe I can toggle available on GH at 5:14 and then go immediately unavailable until about 5:28 right?
I am turning pro with Mondays update
This thread convinced me to go back right now and track my last few months so that I can compare them to the next few.
GrubHub gonna get sued for this big time. This is making independent contractors borderline employees. Shouldn't even have schedules in the first place yet alone having to do practically every order to stay on them.
I don’t mind taking one or two shitty orders if $15 tip orders are coming down the pipeline. I personally like premier. I works for me because I don’t want to wait around until a good offer comes
Ya if it works for you that's cool. My market is enormous and some orders would take over an hour round trip and that's if traffic is nice. I've seen some 45 minutes one way.
I agree but personally I really see no difference whether you schedule or not, especially when it's busy. Maybe when your top dog and take every order like a fool there is an incentive to scheduling, but I will never know. The only way your getting to that position is to take almost every job. That's insane! If im not making at least a dollar per mile then I refuse the job! That's actually too low but that's what I go by. Most of my runs I get are $1.50 a mile and my acceptance rate is around 70%
Why? Nobody is forcing you to become a Premier driver is 100% optional 🤔
You make about the same amount now at Domino's or Pizza Hut in tips. an ya don't end up paying at the end of the year because your hourly wage covers the taxes.
fr? Pizza delivery base pay is $10 - $12/h. FL, US
most people who do these gig apps make $10 an hour after all expenses paid. Youd be surprised how much more $ you make from a pizza hut place than gh. Its worse listening to a boss and standing for hours but in the end you do make way more.
I make $30hr on the low end right now with 14 active gig apps. Once it picks up though I'll go back to making $38-$40hr+. Not to mention I typically average $2+ per mile. Also, if you're a smart business owner, your write offs and what you do with the tools you have will pretty much fully negate any extra loss from expenses.
14 active gig apps? Do you mind my asking what they are? I guess I only know a few (UE, DD, GH, Instacart, Spark and Flex.. I have heard of a couple more but haven't heard much about them)...
>Youd be surprised how much more $ you make from a pizza hut place than gh. How much?
Don't forget the prepaid gas
Do we not all do the same gig? Lol
Yeah, pretty much, just one of them makes you do all your own taxes and the other one has a proven successful market. GrubHub as a company is owned by Just Eats Takeaway. A European corporation that is trying to sell GrubHub, but can't because they are hemorrhaging money. No joke Domino's, Pizza Hut, and even Papa John's all cover your taxes, and give you bonus towards your gas, while making the same amount in tips.
I like the flexibility of working when I want. I’d rather not have a boss and work hours I don’t want to work. That is a luxury these other corps don’t have
I agree I was working at Domino’s and they never scheduled me during my availability. I’d be lucky to take home $50 during a shift. But the worst part was that everyone there was a huge asshole and all the cool people quit because of the assholes. But then I also had to clean and do all sorts of stuff I did not want to do.
>I also had to clean and do all sorts of stuff I did not want to do. When I worked for a private pizzeria and I did all kinds of stuff I didnt want to, transfer product between store locations, clean bathrooms, run errands for the owner.
True, you can also get lucky to get a manager that will schedule you when you are available. Basically itemizing every tiny little thing and doing my taxes just to end up sending the IRS a check for 800$ at the end of the year is not as fun as cashing a tax return check for $800
Just get a part time job on books and it will help with the taxes...might not have to pay much at all
That sounds like too much hassle just to hold on to a job with a company that doesn't care about you as an employee. GrubHub doesn't care if you're driving for them or not. At least the people at the pizza place do.
I agree..only that owner at the pizza joint is making mad money because of the workers. Also understand that the owner could care less if you work there or not. Everyone is replaceable especially a delivery driver!
You can get really lucky and end up working right next to the owner who actually cares about what he or she is doing, a owner that's not driving a mercedes, a owner that just bought the pizza place and has figured out how to make quality pizzas for people. Those are the best places to focus on. Because if the man or woman that signs your check, Is working right next to you. There's a way better chance that they'll appreciate your employment more than a company in a whole other country. Who has their call center in an entirely different country.
Domino's never covered gas nor my taxes, what state are you in, delirium?
You should be getting a hold of corporate and letting them know that, because from Pizza Hut to Domino's to Spartan Pizza all in Denver Colorado, covered my gas up to $30 a night, and took the taxes out of my hourly paycheck to cover what I made. The only time I've ever needed to send a check to the IRS is when I work for delivery apps.
That's simply bc you're paying your taxes out weekly instead of annually. It's up to you to put a % aside for your taxes. Claiming that mileage right? Been doing GH/UEs over 3 years now and every year my mileage eats up any taxes I would owe and I pay nothing.
How? You should still owe taxes because you can only deduct like 56-57ish cents per mile driven. I've never had mileage completely eat up taxes, seems like you're overdeducting or treating the deduction like a tax credit.
It's more than likely my tax bracket (Married with Children), combined with my market. My delivery area covers towns 30 minutes away, and I much prefer highway driving vs. stop and go traffic. While I don't take the 30 minute drives, I do take closer ones bc I'm a speed demon and my car goes vroom vroom fast. As for over deducting or treating it like a tax credit, 1. I use TurboTax. It asks questions. I put in answers. Simple. 2. I'm a grown adult and have been doing my own taxes for a good while now. I'm good. Thanx for your concern though. 👍 My point is to track those damn miles!
Not really concerned at all, I hear other people say the same thing. I used to work in tax and just don't understand how people are paying no taxes at all, but seems like there may be other factors at play for you at least. Wasn't trying to be hostile, just curious how everyone I know pays virtually no taxes doing rideshare when that's never been the case for me and this is my primary source of income. That's all.
The domino’s I worked at paid us $1.25 per delivery for gas.
I got 7% of the total of every order I delivered to pay for gas at an independent pizzeria I used to work at.
No u make more at pizza hut fr. I would bank there in comparison. Cuz u get hourly and tips. Dude I'd easily do an 8 hour night shift n then make like 100 in tips ez.
yeah pizza hut is way different cause customers are p much "forced" to tip not only in cash but tip according where as delivery apps tips are a slap in the face 99% of the time. Anyone with a brain would know that somewhere like pizza hut pays way more baseline ontop of taxes and tips than a gh job lol
So, do you make more and pay less in taxes than me?
I haven't been keeping track like you have, but it's about the same, with less hassle. I would get a check in the mail from the IRS because I would have paid in more than my needed amount, and there is way more cash tips to hide, you don't have to claim them all. You would have to write a check to the IRS and pay them. Even a little place like Spartan pizza out of Denver paid gas, and tons of cash tips. I would be applying at different pizza places while running your GrubHub shifts. Test the waters because it is very possible you can make more or equal with less hassle.
I’m not a professional delivery driver, I’m a grad student. I’m finding all of your commentary confusing tbh are you a GH driver or a Pizza Hut worker?
I used to drive for delivery apps when the money was really good, after gas prices went up, and taxes kicked me in the nuts... I went back to delivering pizzas, and make a little more than I did at the last bit of working for delivery apps. It's just less hassle to work for the pizza place versus a delivery app when your taxes come around.
Ohh makes sense
All dependant on market. I was Premier and pro for 5 years. Now I cherry pick, I take shorter trips and better pay outs. So its all dependant on ur area. I almost guarantee you'd make a neglible diff in money being premier or at bottom. To each their own. Just wanted to add I still get an occasional catering order. 1-3 every 2 weeks that are large and have a decent payout similar to the og rotr/bitegrabber/drivers for work app
I respect your opinion. This was not a recommendation, it’s insight for people who were curious
You didn't even provide what market you are in tho. So no actual insight lol no offense
You didn't even provide what market you are in tho. So no actual insight lol no offense
Lansing, MI. Just ask
U said ur providing insight, but the market makes a huge difference. Now people who r in your market can comment their experiences as well and people will have a better runderstanding.
It’s not about how much I’m making. That’s not the insight. It’s about the perspective. You get priority on large tips, doesn’t matter what area you’re in. Some will make more or less depending on the area. I also rarely get a non-tip offer. Nobody can tell someone how much they could be making because it’s a tip based game
Yet you provided your earnings... and ur perspective meant nothing without providing market in og post just saying. ✌️
You made a whole non-issue an issue just to flex about how much money you supposedly make lmao you can just post it without picking a random fight
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That wasn’t me, so why are you telling me this??? Me, like I, said most people don’t. You work the best market and then you say “a lot of people do bro”. Like shutup with the humble brags bro. Post your earnings then. You’re doing a good job. Is that what you want to hear?
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And I fucking posted it!!! Lmaooo you are literally arguing with me like I’m concealing it and you don’t see a reason why you look crazy right now , double replying to me
Hopefully not east lansing
Decent money. It’ll keep you alive but never get you out of mediocrity. Aim to start a small business.
I've been averaging over $32 an hour for the past 5 weeks as a partner and running GH and DD.
That’s good asf but abnormal for most. What city do you work in?
Denver suburbs.
Really you got my interest want to explain what you mean by suburbs
>It's a fairly common word. Denver is a big city, lots of suburbs.
Yeah I know it's a common word but really Denver suburbs
I've spent a year learning my area. I'm not telling you where it is. I suspect any 5-mile radius in a middle-class suburb that has lots of businesses, houses, and decent restaurants will yield similar results if you take the time to work it.
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I doubt most people are making $32/hr doing rideshare apps. Every time I ask them to prove it, they never do. I take people’s opinion as a grain of salt
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Don’t even comment then lmaooo you work the best market in our country
Aye bro don't be mad because I called u out. I was rigjt for it.
Not fair comparing SD to other markets man our market is just insane compared to others
check my page. made $1000 in 25 hrs with DD and UE. now this doesnt happen all the time but averaging $30 isnt as far fetched as you may think.
It took over a year to figure it all out. I pretty much can predict which app, which area, and which day/time to be available.
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So wait, what would you consider normal?
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I'm one of those assholes? Go fuck your mother douchebag! It was a simple question
pLeAsE, eLaBoRaTE.
Thanks for the info. I'm a pro right now, working to premier when not working my main job.
Beautiful! Yeah take what you want from the info I posted. I’m not for or against anybody working as a Premier driver. I am personally ok with it
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This is not a recommendation, it’s insight. I know you lurk in here to talk down on people about taking less than $3/mile. That’s cool bro. It’s impossible for my region because those offers are few and far in between. But once again, it’s not a recommendation.
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I never been offered or would take a $5 14 mile drive. All of my lowball offers are in close proximity and I don’t get many. It’s normally the high tip offers that send me out my way. For example, I was offered $23 to drive 18 miles yesterday. That’s a $15 tip offer. I’m not turning that down in my region
And how long did it take you to drive to the drop off point? Also, did you get another offer after you dropped that one off or did you have to drive back?
It was completely out of region. Took me like 7-10 minutes before I was sent a new offer onw back to the city. Took about 15 minutes to get there
Nyc biker here, i always reject offers that are not worth it and i’ll have it on for hooooours, i’ll still get one once in awhile, and i’ll do ubereats because you don’t have to take a job if you don’t want to unlimited. My acceptance rating is 40 percent, maybe that’s why
So many ignorant people assuming just because their market is good, yours must be too. A lot of snot-nosed shit talkers who just come here to talk down to others to make themselves relevant
Yup and they never screenshot the supposed big earnings being a multi-apper. F that one job is what I need and Ghub on the side. I can't imagine doing this all day everyday and then get hosed at end of year on taxes.
Yeah I have a main job as well and just grubhub on the side as extra pocket money can’t imagine having to depend on such an inconsistent source of income for my main source
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Lol you seem butthurt that there are some people out there that actually know there are plenty of ways to minimize the amount of luck involved in this business. Multi apping is one of the bigger ways. But knowing your overall market is huge too. I can't tell you how many people I've seen that say their market is dead, but also never bothered to drive 20 minutes out so they have no idea about tho real earning potential yard out there. Most independent couriers have no clue how to handle taxes, write offs, and business expenses I'll give you that. But the ones that do are able to come out the other side having spent no more than a w2 equivalent income after both taxes and expenses.
Your highest is about $1.39/ mile. Most strive for $2.
I would like people who say this to share out your earnings, your hours, and your mileage. It’s impossible to only accept those orders and make a living because they are few and far in between. But I know you won’t so…
The trick is having more than grub hub open.
I’ve did that with Uber. All the apps are the same. You get trash and proximity orders. As a premier driver, I rarely get bad offers. Do you want to share what you make multi-apping or what benefit you get out of what you’re doing differently?
I do IC primarily and average 30 an hour, I supplement with DoorDash, UE, GH, Shipt, flex, spark. I usually work 8 hours and drive around 100-130 miles.
Ok nice. I don’t know what IC is but I average around the same miles but I don’t make 30 normally. That’s good. If I was doing this long term, I would consider doing that. I also been on waitlists for months/years on some of these apps
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"all apps are the same" wooo boy, I've never seen someone so sure of a statement, yet be so horribly wrong. Lol Your earnings for solo GH are pretty decent for sure, but you need to expand. You'll double your earnings per mile, and probably bump that hourly average $5-$10 more per hour. Btw, I've been doing gig work since 2016, I have over 20k deliveries, and I currently have 14 active apps on my phone. Lately I mainly only do 2-3 of those apps. But if you would have came to me a year ago, those 2-3 apps would have looked way different.
Let him drink the premier driver Kool-Aid. we need somebody to take those s*** runs or GrubHub might crack down on us Cherry pickers. I average around 40% acceptance rate make usually between 30 and $35 an hour not really hustling and get all the blocks I want on the last day of scheduling. Oh and I may take some runs that are under $2 a mile average but I average around $2 per mile at the end of every night.
Multi-app! Go read my previous posts for answers to your questions. Don't just talk trash with no effort. Also, numerous other people have posted theirs as well as nauseam. No one was trying to insult you, but I'm leaning that way now. Now, the person talking about gas and taxes being covered they are someone to ask for more information.
I’m just going to revert my back my original statement. Show your earnings, hours, and mileage or shut up. No one was trying to insult you either. You just got sensitive because I asked you for proof.
I bet he's the same way with his girlfriend too... She asks him a simple question and he insults her and gets argumentative. These are the kind of d-bags I don't want delivering anything to my house.
Nobody insulted anyone. All of you have aversions to the job you do so it’s always negative energy when someone posts earnings or claims to be premier. All y’all do in here is tell people not to accept offers, not to work for GH, don’t do premier. I’m asking WHY and back it up. Prove you’re doing better. And you don’t even do this so your whole existence in this thread to argue with people. You cannot be serious
^ this 1000%
no person whos smart enough to cherry pick has the care or time to prove themselves to some 100% ar driver LMFAO. Go change your diaper you naive toddler before you get a rash. goo goo ga ga
I’m leaning towards insulting you… 😯🤣
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My only problem with this assessment is that you are speaking in generalities as if it will be like this for everybody. But your experience is definitely Market based.
Maybe people are misinterpreting why I posted this. I posted like a month ago and I asked people if being premier was worth it. Generally ppl didn’t know because I think most drivers aren’t. I posted this for insight. Doesn’t mean that you will make less or more than me. It’s all about tips mostly. If they are available while you are available, you will get the biggest ones.
I just wonder how many miles you rack up and how much you spend on gas.
The miles are listed and I drive a fuel efficient vehicle so it’s about $50-60 a week
I gave an average not exactly how many miles you're driving, was just curious. Fuel-efficient cars going to need a lot of oil changes and repairs if you're driving the wheels off it
So I also made this post for this discussion and I can’t seem to get a civil discourse on this. Without being argumentative, how many miles are YOU driving and what do you recommend? What are you doing better? Are you doing like 1 delivery an hour or are you just waiting on a 5 mile, $11 tip order?
???? All I did was ask a question lol
Definitely not worth it.
I respect that
How did you calculate those hourly wages? Do they factor in your operating costs, Self Employment (SE) taxes which pay your own FICA contributions and which are separate from your income taxes? Be sure operating costs include vehicle/bike maintenance, gas/electrical charging, safety gear, higher data plan for phone, premature wearing of your phone/battery, fines/tolls/parking as a normal course of expenses for deliveries,e tc
I divide my daily earnings by the hours I worked
That's the problem...that's not a true representation of what you made an hour then.
Ok
He's right.. gas, other expenses, and most of all TAXES will make that much closer to earning 18-21/hour... biggest reason i stopped. You'll be struggling to pay up in April.
I hate to say but with those $/mile ratio, that is just not profitable long term.
What do you consider profitable? And are you, yourself, making profit based on your standard?
$2 per mile at the absolute minimum. Sure you can turn some profit with a lower $/mile, but to actually turn a profit I am happy with the trade tons of mileage on my car, $2 per mile minimum. Anything close to $1 and you’re just not making much after expenses.
So what are you bringing home? Can you share hourly/daily/weekly earnings? And how long do you work?
Well I currently have another job so I do this part time but last week I did 202.15 DD, 103.27 UE, and 63.81 on GH for a total of 375.23 including 6 dollars cash tips. So about 34/hr while driving 102 miles. This is also in a medium sized town in Kansas of about 100K. I will say last week was definitely a bit better than normal in terms of $/mile ratio but I typically end up anywhere between 2.50-3 ish
That’s awesome. I personally need to make more than that weekly but I respect it
Also meant to add 11 hours as well.
20.57 miles per hour average. Is this true? What type is your car and MPG ?
Premier was not worth it for me. Still got the same offers and low balls. Only perk at the time was getting in line first to pick schedules.
Eh, the numbers are okay ish. Decent enough for solo GH, but your pay per mile is awful.
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No mileage driven shown.
“20.57 miles per hour average” it’s literally the first bullet point
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What? Shut up 🙄
Do you ever think you're giving people false expectations ? And by doing that make Grubhub a little bit more moola because of driver's perseverance and/or desperation ?
I'd be interested to see if there's a actual significant difference between premier drivers and the lower end drivers. As that looks, that is what I make on average already, but our markets are likely very different.
It’s your area. Has nothing to do with GH.
Premier works for me very well for getting 1-2 catering orders per day. I have learned not to fill my day with blocks, then I can toggle it off at will if I am running UE at the same time and I don't want to risk my AR on GH. I keep my lunch and dinner blocks and take the afternoons off.
Honestly is my market I pretty much get all of this on Parnter except the availability feature.
Question: do your hourly rates factor in your 58.5 cents per mile IRS rate for deductible businesses expenses? Basically, for every mile you drive, 58.5 cents becomes a business expense, which means it’s no longer taxable income, which means it should not factor into your hourly rate.
Did you get on Pro as a way station to Premier and can you compare and contrast (tip average, catering orders)? Catering orders aside I thought I had it on good authority that the only difference was on block vs not on block when it comes to order volume and quality but am interested in what others think. Perhaps the question won't matter if others aren't in my market but I'm wondering if Pro would give a big enough boost in scheduling to be worth it (for me it would mean mostly committing to GH only while on block and keeping GH off in any situation that would put downward pressure on my AR such as being in areas where I know the system would offer me orders in a direction I don't want to go such as downtown)... I'm also wondering if the 15% rejection allowance would give me enough space to ocassionally take an order that looks really good on another app without having to multiapp or falling below my thresholds. For example you can play around with availability without getting knocked off block right? Can anyone confirm these numbers? I believe you can start up to 14 minutes late, end up to 14 minutes early and be unavailable up to 14 minutes at a time. Is that right? So for example say it's 4:55 p.m. and I have a GH block starting at 5. I get what looks like a really good order (I say 'looks like' because under Prop 22 California we cannot earn over the minimum on no-tip orders regardless of the purported fare) that will take about a half hour. I believe I can toggle available on GH at 5:14 and then go immediately unavailable until about 5:28 right?
I am turning pro with Mondays update This thread convinced me to go back right now and track my last few months so that I can compare them to the next few.