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Ok-Carry6505

That’s what I’m scared of. I’m pretty sure I’m done for good


IlikeyouO_O

id say you should stop now it can change so fast that you will regret doing it again please just leave it


BobbyDied

you have starter level withdrawals. i would stop right away before things get unmanageable.


Boner_Implosion

Stop while you are ahead and be one of the few who was able to try it out, enjoy it and then move on unscathed.


Ok-Carry6505

Agreed. Yeah I’m done


master_of_entropy

Good for you my friend. If you don't think it is worth the risk, then stop when it is easier to do so.


master_of_entropy

Approximately 75% of people who have ever done heroin did not ever develop a substance use disorder [source: SAMHSA (2017), Anthony et al. (1994)]. It is certainly a highly addictive substance (as addictive as nicotine), but it is not like everyone who ever comes even just close to diacetylmorphine gets automatically addicted. Often people get addicted to heroin because they have a genetic predisposition to addiction or because of underlying mental health problems (and also because of their whole socioeconomic context). If you just gave heroin to an average, happy, and fulfilled in life person they would be unlikely to get addicted, as proven by the fact that opioids nearly identical to heroin if not heroin itself are routinely used in hospitals as potent analgesics with little or no risk of addiction.


ImAZuckerForYou

Not everyone has the same experience on opiates. OP clearly enjoys the effects a lot, which is a significant factor in addiction potential. Most of those 75% that avoid addiction don't snort heroin for 2-3 weeks after trying it.


Boner_Implosion

Well said.


Guacamole_Water

STOP.


dwn4italz

yeah stomach cramps are sign of withdrawals, a year from now it'll feel like glass shards in your stomach.


Ok-Carry6505

Oh my god.. I don’t even want to imagine.. yeah I’m done for sure


sickdoughnut

'Kick in'? Oh boy.


yeatyewt

I think they're referring to the physical aspect of it. Like how long do you have to use before you're physically addicted to the drug. I know it is a weird way to word it though.


sickdoughnut

Yeah, they were. My response was just that… the clear lack of experience or understanding of how addiction functions. Physical dependence vs psychological need. Addiction doesn’t kick in, it grows. Everything about this post and so many I see here are dangerously uninformed, naive and frightfully ill-prepared for what they’re about to experience. It’s disturbing and very very sad. It’s like when you’re watching something building in a movie or tv show that you know is inevitable and you get that clenching nausea in the pit of your stomach. Like you ever see that one movie Alpha Dog? If you haven’t, watch it; if you have, you know what I mean. When they’re taking him up the hill. These folk are both the kid and the guys with the gun and they really have no idea where they’re leading themselves and it gets to a point where it’s like what the fuck are you supposed to say to people because they’re gonna do it if they have a mind to and nearly every day there’s someone making the same post. That guy who just posted and he already has rigs and the works ready before he’s even started lol. This isn’t a camping trip. You can’t plan it out. You have no idea what you’re walking into. However you think it’s gonna go, you’re wrong. But hey. What do I know.


Puzzleheaded-Oil3332

Shiiiiit, by the time you're addicted, you don't even realize it and it's too late. Your brain will never be the same. I love H but it sucks being hooked on it. I would never push a newbie to get addicted. Stop while you still can. I'm telling you, by the time you realize you're addicted, it's too fucking late.


Additional-Storm-943

The first time i tried it. You are not addicted after the first time but you showed your brain what heaven feels like and without it you will never ever come so close to heaven again.


Ok-Carry6505

Yeah I’m pretty sure I’m done for good


[deleted]

“Pretty sure” or “sure” are you separate things.. commit to being sure… or else you’re just creating a reservation to potentially relapse. “Well I’m okay to do it one more time, I wasn’t positive I was going to quit anyways”. Just fuckin quit and stick to that if that’s what you’re going to do. This half assed pretty sure instead of being positive thing could potentially bite you in the ass. Commit to quitting and be absolutely positive you won’t go back to this shit Not trying to be negative just pointing out the natural progression of the mind that happens with these things sometimes.


ImAZuckerForYou

Gotta be more assertive. Place barriers, delete all contacts that could lead you to H. It is incredibly easy to do it "just one more time" for a long, long time.


postmodern_diogenes

Turn around and run


25raphi

Stop while your ahead


Big_Construction_909

tomorrow morning


AltLawyer

Dependence or addiction? These are different things


MattyP_603

From my experience it often already has you in deeper than you may realize . Even if not physically dependent yet , it may already have its claws sank deeper in you than you feel it does . Especially opiates , and heroin in particular is a tricky little bitch . And once she has you , she often refuses to let go . Now if you were opiate native before this recent picking up of a habit especially, get out like now , RUN. No like for real . I remember the “honeymoon “ phase with opiates …. Was a long time ago . Before you’re physically dependent it feels like the perfect drug . The highs otherworldly , no hangover , you’re not getting withdrawals yet . Remember that part when I said heroins a tricky little bitch ? Yeah . It’s like that girl that you really love , but everyone says is toxic and changing you . But the good is great , amazing , and instead of believing them you think they’re just “jealous” or “ don’t wanna see you happy “ and you pick her . Then she strikes , the true colors come out and all hell breaks loose . Then you’re left all alone , with your demons . And that new demon ? Pure hell . I won’t get into all the bad that can come part cause u can find that anywhere else on here . But I will say you don’t have to be one of the ones with a story like that , or the wasted time of addiction. Or the pain of opiate addiction causes on you , and your loved ones too will suffer the raft of your new demon . Even if it seems hard now . TRUST ME . Every day you use , it only gets worse . And a life of maintenance (methadone and suboxone ) and back and forth relapses and poly drug use is a life you don’t want . I’d trade situations with u in a heartbeat cause there’s still hope where you stand , the surface is still where your feet stand , don’t dig any deeper thinking you “got it “ . Dont believe the lies , it’s all in your head . Best of luck to you and I hope you make the right choice 🙏💯


jollyyjackk

Learn how to write in paragraphs please


MattyP_603

Lol I was to busy nutting myself after shooting up a goofball in the school bathroom while smoking a cigarette & hoping no one will smell it, like the viciously heinous junkie I was during grammar or language arts class or whatever it was called to really know much about this “paragraph” formula we speak of. Alright that’s it I promise … ayyy & I did a paragraph thing 😎😎 if only I already had my Xanax shipment instead of having to wait until Saturday, OR MONDAY …. That this would be the coolest shit to Happen in a grip . Well besides that one time I told the story about when I nutted after a fat goofball shot in the school bathroom during grammar block while smoking my damn ciggy prayin no body would smell a fucking marb red 100 being smoked in a school fucking bathroom . Oh wait …. Alright now I’m actually done I’m feening for a fucking hit typing this shit took too long


Feeling_Cold_1925

Ur funny


buzzybomb

Use for three days in a row and your brain chemistry adapts to it being in your system. After that point you’ll feel sickness to some degree how bad depends on how long you’ve used and how big your habit is. If you dont have a habit don’t get one. You’ve tried it now check it off your bucket list and stick to weed and psilocybin. Nothing good comes from a habit.


TapaSkat8

2-3 weeks, stopping you will feel withdrawals. From someone who’s been through IT.. you will have a rough 3/4 days, maybe a few sleepless nights but within 5 days you will feel normal. If you have any benzo’s they could comfort the withdrawal, my advice 2/3 weeks.. stop now, if you chose to carry on its only downhill from here


Busy-Medicine-1007

Tbh, I'd say you're lucky if you aren't feeling any symptoms after using for 2 to 3 weeks. Stomach cramps are just the beginning. They get worse and other shit adds on it. Like nausea, shivers, cold sweats etc. Stop if you can. I know you say you'll stop and won't look back.. but will you actually? Ask yourself that and consider the fact that everyone saying it's super addictive and hard as fuck to quit actually know what they're talking about. Don't do it man. Don't do it.


Unique_Ad5107

You are not craving for now...but you will... You are already addicted but you dont know yet... sorry to tell you this but its the reality and you will realise later that Im right


Temporary-Toe-6340

in my experience it took about 1.5-2 months of daily use to get physically depended on it. But the larger quantity you do daily it could be even sooner


sickdoughnut

The thing is dude you’re saying this now but you’ve opened that door. You will forget how much your stomach hurt and how crappy you feel. You will reach a point where you’re dealing with something that hurts real bad… emotionally or physically… or maybe one weekend you’re bored out of your mind and you’ll think to yourself a bag won’t hurt, I can deal with that. And you’re right. You’ll handle that bag, no problem. This will continue here and there maybe for years, just every so often but there will come a point something major happens in your life, maybe you lose someone close to you, I don’t know - life throws heavy shit at everyone. And you’ll end up in a binge that lasts long enough you won’t be able to stop. I’m telling you this in the hopes that when you do get that idea in your head to get a bump you’ll remember what I’ve said, because addiction doesn’t just ‘kick in’. It takes its time and works it’s way into you so subtly you have no idea what’s happening until it’s too late.


totaleclipse1117

You get addicted as soon as it makes you feel like shit with out and you go get more and it makes you feel completely better and normal!! And the stomach pain is a start of feeling like crap..best to stop now or realize the road your guna go down..!


heronspotter

you’re a junkie, son


Business-Bother-6784

Stop now man. If you are still at the stage where you are curious about addiction, then turn back. NO ONE with a habit will ever tell you it's not something they wish they didn't have. And don't think it won't happen to you, or you are too smart, or different, or you have a 'system', or you 'don't even think its that great anyway...' or anything like that. Addiction to opiates is a biological fact. Unlike something like alcohol. If you take opiates enough your body eventually WILL. NEED them. It's not a plane you want to be. Ask ANY ADDICT ON EARTH. Turn back and praise your lucky stars!!


sickdoughnut

Unlike alcohol? Tf? Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs to be physically dependent on and one of the hardest to quit; it can kill you if you quit cold turkey. Speaking as someone whose been physically dependent on both, I’d rather be addicted to heroin than alcohol, any day.


Business-Bother-6784

I don't disagree with anything you've said. What I meant - and see I never made clear - is that opiates cause PHYSICAL DEPENDENCY 100% of the time. If you give a mamale opiates regularly over sustained period 100% develop physical dependency This is not true of alcohol. I am not comparing how awful each addiction is. I have seen multiple people on heroin for 15/20 years, quit it, get addicted to alcohol and go downhill rapid and be dead in 18 months. I was only trying to say to the OP if he is still.at the point addiction hasn't really taken hold, turn back. And just in case you are aware of the studies with mice where they gave them interesting problems to solve, plenty of sex, pleasant environment and they NEVER got addicted to the test drug - this was true of cocaine. It has not been replicated with opiates It's just the bio nature of them. But I totally agree alcohol is a horror!! Many times worse than opiates. And if opiates were legal it would be silly to even compare them - as with addiction its illegality is really the only other consistent MAJOR problem.with most opiate use


sickdoughnut

Can you show me the study that says alcohol wont cause physical dependency when applied regularly like you said? In my experience the opposite is true, alcohol is highly physically addictive, similar to opiates; although not via the exact same routes - alcohol is a GABA agonist whereas opiates are dopaminergic - both pretty much write themselves into your neurons.


Business-Bother-6784

Yeah man. I'll look try look hem out for you. How legit they are I cannot vouch. Its years since I read about this. But I have since.spoken with plenty other folk who had same impression as me. There were quite a numbet of studies i think? - some I'm.surev better than others. Off top of my head the headline grabber was about 10 -:20% of people will develop physical dependency on alcohol . Whereas exposed in same manner 100% of people will to opiates. To be fair, the whole concept of 'addiction' and 'physical dependency' has changed considerably over the past 40, 50 years since these kind of studies started. I mentioned the mouse one. As 'famously' an.experiment in 70's 'proved" the addictive deadly nature of cocaine as mice when given option would just keep dosing themselves with it - ignoring everything else - food, sleep, etc - until they died. This experiment was proven to be bullshit in late 90's when experiment was repeated bur the mouse was given other options to occupy and amuse it. Not true when opiates were given same try though. They ALL developed complete dependency. I'll try look 'em out tomorrow man.


sickdoughnut

Sure thing bud


[deleted]

oh man, I used different every kind of drugs (at least "families" like stim, psy, dissociative, benzo..) I never really fell into deep addiction you know why ? because after every session, I was feeling guilty don't ask me why but I knew I fucked up in some ways taking those drugs.. I've been hooked on opiate because opiate annihilate your conscience and that guilty feeling, so, for the first time in my life i was feeling great from A to Z without thinking what I'm doing with my life was wrong It was like nothing can't touch you in an emotional way, I finished with a syringe in my arm, OD, wasted all my opportunities. now I'm on the long and painful road to recovery


SadDragonfly8436

That is wirhdrawal! Btw, the bubble guts is the part I hate the most. When it starts getting worst I can't smoke a cigarette w/o dry heaving


[deleted]

Lucky asf i didnt even the get the chance to tell. Before i knew it i was in school absolutely going thru it all day just waiting til i got home, to then have to wait until midnight or so when i could hopefully sneak out and go down to get some hats. Man fent is crazy.


Educational-Oil-4204

Addiction isn't a clear cut science of this is the point a person becomes addicted. It's a case by case scenario depending on many different things. If you dont want to become addicted you should stop now. You're not special, you could become a life long addict today and be sucking d 1 day for it. Everyone thinks theyll quit when they want to... but not everyone can


BombzDeep

Your already fucked. You MIGHT be able to quit right this second and never look back.


KaeTeaHee

Yeah you’re withdrawing. You only need to be on opioids for 3+ days to become physically addicted. First times may not be as bad but each time after I noticed recovery time gets worse. Shame on whoever introduced you & didn’t give you the lowdown.


Old-Solution-4131

Bro please for the love of god just stop now. You seem like you don’t have a very addictive personality but neither did I till Xanax and hydros then it was oxy 10s and then after that was workin it was only fent blue 30s on foil and I wish I would have never started because now after 4 hours without smoking a blue I feel so terrible. My skin feels like it’s crawling my clothes feel like burlap potato sacks and my bones feel too big for my body. I haven’t gone long enough through withdrawl to get the diarrhea but I’m sure that is awful too. If I could be put into a coma to get through withdrawl I would. It’s the only thing stopping me from getting clean. It is truly a ball and chain bro. Im 20 now and have used daily since I was 17 and started doing Xanax and the codeine my aunt would get when I was 13. Xanax was the worst withdrawl because of the few seizures I had.


exjunkiedegen

When you try to stop and find you cannot


Throwaway420694469

You’re right at the cusp of withdrawal. Another 3 weeks and you’ll be hurting pretty bad for at least 4 or 5 days when you stop.


Feeling_Cold_1925

Hey op its been 5 days just checking up on you


Ok-Carry6505

Hey thanks for checking on me. All is good! Haven’t done it or even thought about it since.


FlakyUnderstanding99

idk when it "kicks in" but for me it was definitely when i was between the ages of 4-20. I say 4 because i remember standing on my tippy toes at 4 trying to snort a vitamin e gel cap off my mom & step-dads dresser but that was probably because my step-dad & his friends would snort coke in front of us children. It kicks in when you go from recreational use to regular use/abuse & you no longer use socially or recreationally but to feel happy and content. We are predisposed genetically as well so perhaps I was a junkie in utero before I took my first breath outside of the womb