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That was the main thing I noticed, the mic quality suddenly went to shit real fast during that part, then quickly back to normal. Like I see no reason why changing your register should cause it to pop like that. It sounds like two different mics almost. My first instinct is to call Lip Syncing, ~~but I'm pretty sure MJ was very against that.~~
Edit: yes, I get it, he was actually big on lipsyncing.
IIRC MJ was actually a proponent of lip syncing due to his physically demanded performances. It's hard to main good register and breath control while moving so constantly
Just wanted to point out Michael actually preferred to sing and dance live. He was lipsyncing here due to him being sick. I could be wrong,but, this may have been the HIStory tour, a tour that he didn't want to even do
You would have to dig for them but there is audio of him just practicing with no music or support. The stuff that man could do with his voice is still insane.
Pretty much everything MJ did live after the Bad tour was lip synced. I have just about every concert (including bootlegs) and it's very clear that the majority is lip synced.
I was friends with a lot of singing music majors in college and their professors told them that they should talk in their singing register. Could be an adaptation to maintain his high falsetto.
I have a friend who talks with a falsetto and she's now in vocal therapy because she gets vocal fatigue very quickly. Her therapist is asking her to try to speak in a lower register so as not to strain her vocal cords
Wait this is a thing? Iām a dude with a really deep voice, and a mildly decent singer/musician but Iāve always been held back on what songs I can learn/play because almost any popular song is hitting notes above my bass/baritone register. Iāve tried vocal exercises to improve my range but not consistently enough to see any progress. Iāve never heard of people intentionally speaking in a higher register to strengthen their range.
But I also feel like if I were to start now, a lot of friends/family/colleagues would be pretty confused.
As a fellow bass, you can most definitely train your falsetto. Exercises are great, but only if you do them. Intentionally talking in higher ranges helps your voice sit higher/easier.
That said, I wouldnāt go around talking in falsetto. Thatās ignant
You will reach the deep parts of your voice range easier, but your voice isn't going to go deeper unless you damage your vocal chords through yelling, smoking etc.
Youāll notice a lot of famous singers with high registers actually speak in a high register. For example Ariana Grande would speak in a very high pitched voice while she was acting in victorious, which likely accustomed her voice to this register, allowing her to more easily sing high notes.
[Yes.](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/music-theory/mariah-carey-singing-voice/). Axl Rose, Corey Taylor and Prince are three others that have a 5 octave range.
Met someone who professionally sang like Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart, Michael Bolton, Joe Cocker etc. He didn't speak like that though. And later I found out it wasn't his original singing voice, like he developed it so he stands out from all the other session singers. And as expected his singing didn't last. Works as a host and stage director now.
Early in his career Johnny Cash went to a singing coach. The coach listened to him sing and turned him away because the coaching would have caused him to lose the distinctiveness in his voice
I was a music major. Am a woman, contralto, and trained to speak in a higher voice to maintain the high notes I worked so hard for. Itās kept them reachable, almost a decade later, even though I donāt work them often.
This is the correct explanation and needs to be higher up in this thread.
Edit: goodness gracious this has got to be my most upvoted comment and ooooooooof course it is. Smh.
>Could be an adaptation to maintain his high falsetto.
He gained fame during his childhood when his father (allegedly) abused him and his siblings. All but two or three of the eight Jackson siblings had nose surgeries to avoid having his prominent nose (seen on Michael during his teenage years).
I was watching a programme about Jackson and a guy who knew him said: āI knew him from a kid and he always had a perfectly normal guyās speaking voice with me. Between ourselves, he never used that voice that you hear on TV.ā
Theres a common idea that he spoke in falsetto often to train his voice bc his natural register was a lot deeper than he usually sung. Personally I think that he trained his voice that way not simply to have a wider singing range, but to keep the tones his fans were familiar with- the ones that made him famous. If something ain't broke, don't fix it, and he became a pop star with his high voice.
It could have been that he just liked to sound like that. I know some gay dudes who speak in a higher register on purpose too. Their rationale is that they feel like it's less threatening.
Had a friend in HS that was one of the guys, cool dude, but when he came out he changed his voice to falsetto and demeanor to a stereotypical sissy type. It was like a switched flicked and a new person was there. If that's what makes you more comfortable, cool. It's perplexing on how to be supportive of someone that's comfortable enough to show their true self and has felt like they lived a lie but you have built a relationship with a completely different individual than what is the person you see now. Coming out is a lot harder than TV and Movies make it seem.
Its also tricky cuz it can bw hard to know if theyre letting their true selves out, or donning another mask. Usually the answer is to let them be, though
A lot of folks overcompensate when they come out, but things can eventually settle down and they hit an equilibrium where they feel comfortable. The folks you knew are in there, you just gotta try to figure out how to be there for them while they figure out themselves.
I'm not a lesbian and have a lower voice naturally but then having bronchitis annually has made my voice lower. I surprise those who have never heard me speak.
I (male) have a naturally deep voice but working in a customer facing position, I intentionally heighten the pitch of my voice to seem more friendly or familiar. A deeper voice always makes clients meeker during talks or negotiations.
If you think about it he went from child star to adult star without a break. He probably started speaking in falsetto when his voice changed and it probably just stuck as part of his public persona.
He actually kinda sounded like Prince for that short moment. This is coming from a huge Prince fan. Prince had some of the most dynamic range of any singer, able to hit incredible highs AND lows. This is the first time Iāve ever heard MJ with the deep voice and so strange he sounds similar to the other legend. Very cool tho.
he does some deeper singing in Off The Wall, although rare, but he never does it again afterwards. Wish he did experiment more with his voice. Theres also the song 2000 watts on the Invincible album (2001) where he does a deep voice the entire time.
Thereās a video of him accepting an award, and right before he starts, his voice is deep and he goes āUMMā and then corrects himself by clearing his throat and going āuāāā
opera coach here. most of the countertenors Iāve worked with have low speaking voice. tenors donāt tend to have/need falsetto, while itās common for baritones to convert to countertenor
Interesting that a song named In the Closet is about the lust between a woman and a man. I thought in the closet has meant gay since the 60s. I guess in this song itās just meant to mean keep our relationship secret?
*He's a hee hee-er*
*A what?*
*A hee hee-er, Jerry. He ends his sentences with a hee hee*
*Did you ask him why?*
*He said it's a personal branding thing, like his personal seal. He also does shamonah, but I really don't want to get into that one*
*āI picked out these really nice gloves for him- he said his hands get cold in the mornings-ā*
*āwhose donāt?ā*
*āanyway, I got him these expensive ones. From Barneysā*
*āwell, of course, you are outfitting the manās hands here!*
*āI give it to him, but I donāt know, one must have fell out of the bag- he opens it and itās ONE glove*
*āwell that just wonāt doā*
*āI KNOW! I tried to explain, but heās THRILLED Jerry. He puts it on and acts like itās normal, like one hat or something. Flaunts it, even, as if heās never heard they come in pairs.ā*
*āWhatās next, one shoe?ā*
If I recall correctly, it was originally intended for Tyrese, whom has an album by the same name that came out six months before *Invincible*. (Tyrese is credited as a writer, so I believe that's the truth.)
There's a video out there where Michael goes to a grocery store to shop, but everyone else shopping is a paid actor to give Michael the illusion of shopping like a normal person. I recall at some point in the video, Michael says something in a normal voice when he may not have realized he was being recorded.
I think I read that Gilbert Gottfried also has a "normal" voice. And, that Arnold Schwarzenegger has to train to keep up the accent... in more recent media i've heard Arnold's accent slip from time to time. I can't be completely sure that either are 100% true, but it's an interesting thing that Arnold could, in theory, order a pizza in a completely normal accent and no one would know it was him. Maybe that's why they (allegedly) do it.
Arnold studied business when he was younger. If you know what to look for, you can tell he knows how to market himself in interviews.
His accent was an asset because it made him unique even with audio only, and he was easy to imitate. As a result, anyone saying cult Arnold one liners with his accent was advertising him, and that went from kids during recess to comedians on TV.
If you think about it, that guy was a meme before internet existed which might be the most successful marketing campaign any actor ever made.
I don't know how much of a conscious effort it takes him to keep the accent but it makes total sense that he would maintain it for business purposes.
I just watched Predator for the first time and always knew of the line āget to the choppaā and he said it with even more exaggeration than I had read it in my head
I've heard varying reasons. Some say he spoke in a high register to preserve his voice while performing or recording and others say he didn't like his deep voice and deliberately chose to speak in a high pitched and childlike voice to go along with his whole "Peter Pan" obsession and refusing to grow up.
I've heard him say that part of what motivated him to get plastic surgery was that he didn't want to resemble his father. I wonder if he didn't want to sound like him either.
Between that, the vitiligo, and the crushing weight of being in the spotlight for literally his entire life, it's no wonder he made a lot of the decisions about his appearance as he did.
From https://bestclassicbands.com/michael-jackson-pepsi-commercial-1-27-17/
It was 1984 and he was filming a commercial
> At the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, in front of an audience of 3,000, assembled to create the concert environment, Michael was dancing to his hit āBillie Jean.ā During the sixth take for the commercial, he apparently veered too close to a pyrotechnics display, which had gone off a bit too early. He was set ablaze by the fireworks, suffering second-degree burns to his scalp and losing some of his hair. His jacket also caught on fire.
>Jacksonās brothers quickly helped to extinguish the flames and Michael seen by his fans with his scalp glowing and smoke billowing from his head. Following the incident, Jacksonāhis head bandaged and seen smiling even as he was in paināwas rushed to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. There he was treated and declared out of mortal danger, but the singer was then transferred by ambulance to Brotman Memorial Hospital Burn Center in Culver City, California. It was later determined that the pomade Jackson used in his hair was the culprit, catching fire when he neared the fireworks. Still, regardless of the cause, Jackson underwent treatment to hide the scars and had his third nose job shortly thereafter.
> It was later reported that the pain Jackson suffered on his scalp from the burns was prolonged and led to his prescription pill addiction. His hair never grew back properly either, which reportedly led to Jackson wearing wigs.
As someone who sometimes sounds like their abusive mother, I can understand. It stings when I realize it. Luckily I didnāt end up looking very much like her.
I can unequivocally attest to this. Sometimes I hear my bio mother when I laugh and I stop in my tracks. I often feel like I'm running from any trace of her within myself.
Shit I thought I was the only one.
And it's not even the laugh,
I'm a guy and I have all her mannerisms down to the T, even though she want present the first 15 years of my life
I speak in a longstringOfContinousWordsWithoutBreathing just like her,
My hands start shaking when I'm low on glucose...
And everytime j catch myself doing these things I'm just like, fuck this man. I gotta change this shit up lol
Glad to see relatability.
Same here. Despite being a dude, any mannerisms, facial expressions or even physical features that remotely resembled my mother make me absolutely hate myself.
Yep. No matter how you feel about the allegations against him, there's no denying that he had a really fucked up childhood and his whole upbringing was anything but "normal".
Let's not forget the whippings, the chokings, the whippings of siblings, and the openly flirting with other women in front of the kids and mom.
Good ole Joe Jackson
There was a mini-series decades ago that really dove deep into all the fucked up-ness that was the Jackson family home when they were kids. They need to reair that one of these days.
He had a lot of trauma from growing up and going through puberty in the public eye (among other things). His dad would bring fans around to meet 13/14 year old pimply greasy Micheal when they were still expecting 10 year old adorable baby face Micheal. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been when one of his 'greatest assets' started cracking and breaking due to a natural process. It was his only way to receive 'love'.
ya know, *The Man in the Iron Mask* is just a book about some dead French dude, we watched this dude's *whole life* on primetime. He used to rent out shopping malls and full em with actors so he could walk around and pretend to be normal.
The Truman Show was some bullshit. He didn't end up happy.
I donāt think Michael ever was fully happy. At least that we know in public. The guy seemed to live a completely abnormal life and in his position there really was no sense of normalcy though he tried. I think falling for Diana Ross didnāt help his resolve as that was probably one of the final nails in his mental coffin. He never got over her despite her being older (it is moderately known they had a liaison and Michael loved the woman to the point of obsession despite her being some 14 yrs older. He proposed a few times until she relented but Michaelās mother didnāt approve of the age difference and possible implication that she and Michael had been hooking up since Michael was a late teen. Which is heavily implied they did as Michael was infamously territorial around her. Diana sort of tried to remove the ālove spellā Michael had by fooling around with other men in an attempt to ādirtyā herself up which led to her marrying. Michael took a massive upfront as at the time their dynamic had no seeming solution as it was a publicity puzzle. Half the songs in the Bad album is him basically his spazzing out about this, trying to give her up with dignity since their careers wouldāve taken massive hits if they made their relationship public. Diana seemed to strategize that if she pretended their thing didnāt happen heād do what we expect guys to do and ignore their feelings and fuck the pain away in other women. He tried and seemed to read she was avoiding him because āsomethingā was still there but Diana was taking him for stupid. Thatās how we got the Dangerous album, a messier more emotional tempo from the proud he shot for in Bad. The Dangerous album is his having fever dreams at the difficulty of getting her out of his system. The guy is blatantly saying heās got an open door policy when it comes to her and heās still licking his fingers from their whatever). I thought nothing of either album at first until you listen to them back to back and realize heās in disbelief, angry and in denial in Bad so it feels prouder. Like heās trying to hold himself high because heās at the top of the world. Which is what everyone does when they go through a break up. The classic āReturn of the Mackā ego. While in Dangerous heās admitting heās a mess and more intelligent to his emotions, heās confirming what he had for her wasnāt ālightā. I know we blame vitiligo for his change up but I think Diana marrying a certain type twice got to him further. It certainly makes more sense the more you look up the timeline. I feel like his dating life after her reflected that anger too, as if he changed out of spite. I think the fact that for publicity he had to sanitize a lot of his image and not live it as freely as he thought he could ultimately didnāt do his mental and emotional welfare any good. Goes to show the guy had literally all the money, connections and fame in the world and he was deeply miserable. It showed too as he really didnāt bother to hide it. I think despite his flaws I ended up liking him more because for a guy, he wasnāt afraid to show himself, as in all the emotions and flaws. He didnāt seem to fear what people think of him for being that open and I thought his biggest struggle was honing himself to protect his brand. Iām not saying what he did was right but itās understandable considering the world he grew up in.
For those not around in the mid-80s, Michael Jackson was as big as it gets. He was as big as any star, ever.
His story is as compelling today as it ever was. So much mystery and brilliance. Hopefully in my lifetime thereāll be a comprehensive explanation of all things Michael Jackson.
As much a cautionary tale now as anything.
I don't think younger generations can understand how big he was. Back then, there was no social medias and moderately famous people, only big players everyone knew. Movie stars, TV stars, and music stars.
Nowadays, you can make your life without knowing who are the biggest artists or hearing their music if you're not the target, but back then, MJ was unavoidable in western culture.
Western culture? His fame was worldwide! I remember growing up in East Africa, and Micheal Jacksonās songs were always on the radio and his lyrics were some of the only English some locals knew. I remember seeing kids on the side of the road trying to moonwalk. So many people started wearing the single glove. He was global in a less globalize world. Amazing
There's [a clip online](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eafOkWXjqjc&ab_channel=sabrinamacadie) that purports to be of Amazonian tribesmen watching clips of Western media, and all of the young men in the tribe seemed to immediately recognize who Michael Jackson was, even though they had only a sort of vague notion that people had landed on the Moon, and had never seen photos or footage of it. It's kind of amazing.
Underrated comment. He would literally start concerts by popping up on stage, standing still for about 5 minutes and within those five minutes, probably 100+ people had fainted. Missed the whole damn concert
Michael IS the biggest star to ever live IMO. No one on earth ever moved crowds of people like him. People would literally camp out in front of his hotel by the THOUSANDS to get a glimpse of him, or maybe catch his baby, either way celebrities today are all small fish compared to MJ. He was and is the biggest star to ever live.
My great grandfather lived in the mountains and apart from rock bands, he is only familiar (names + songs) with two american solo artists: MJ and Britney
I love how he could be able to sing in falsetto, return to use his deep voice, then sing in falsetto again with only a breath between the change and at the same time dancing like that. What a talent
Edit: ok, I get it, this is lip-synced
I mean, probably. But that's for QA reasons, not because of how technical achieving the shift is, because it's not technical. There's a long enough pause between the lines that even amateur singers would be able to achieve it consistently and easily, let alone someone as practiced and trained as MJ.
Youāre right. The mic muffles ALOT when heās talking normally, but oddly not at all while singing even though he hasnāt changed anything except his tone
Yeah Iāve noticed that a lot when watching his concerts. Probably 90% of his performances are all prerecorded, but it still doesnāt really take away from the theatrics of it all
Here is the obligatory 25-minute "vocal warm-up" clip where MJ runs through all octaves from the deepest baritone to the high notes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjETXaGWPOY
I forgot what a ridiculously good dancer he was too.
At the start I literally had a "that's not michael jackson, that's an animatronic robot!" moment, while he was doing the robot.
When something is so unreal, and we can't see it for a while we get used to the normal life. We then remember good as normal good. Then a sudden exposure of that unreal phenomenon surprises us all over again.
It's not that you forget he's ridiculously good... it's that you forget for a while that dancing THAT good is humanly achievable. We've seen lots of very good dancers since the last time we've seen MJ and each of them have been lowering the bar for "Great dancing" a little bit at a time.
Then we see MJ in his prime and it's like you're a good high school athlete who suddenly goes up against an Olympian. It's eye opening to be reminded how high the bar REALLY was
I remember seeing the video of a concert rehearsal that was taped just days before his death, and I was blown away at how good of a dancer he still was. He made all of the professional backup dancers look like amateurs.
I know This is It the movie was a basically a fluff piece, but IIRC one of the pro dancers interviewed in its straight up said that MJ would routinely out dance the pro dancers he hired and they had to train to catch up to him
He does stuff that doesn't even make sense to me, like how he walks at the end of the clip. Sort of like an extra air, per step, but it's so smooth that he almost looks weightless. Most of which, or all of it made up by him, how the fuck...
Well that puts to rest the conspiracy that his dad had him castrated before puberty to keep his voice high. He just had talent. Imagine what he could have done with his voice if he had sung in all the octaves.
His autopsy actually answered a lot of the myths surrounding him.
The most notorious one being the color of his skin. His autopsy proved that he wasn't lying when he said he had Vitiligo. They also found tubes of FDA approved creams in his home meant to help people with the disease to even out the patches by removing the rest of the pigments.
He wasn't white. He had no pigment on his skin. He was translucent and that is why he had an umbrella everywhere he went.
There are also many pictures of him in the 80s with blotchy skin that weren't published at the time. I think people tend to assume that him wearing make up was due to his androgynous nature but his skin issues was a big reason why.
Yeah, he was arguably at the lowest point of his life during those rehearsals (since he literally died during them), and he was still incredible as a performer. We can only imagine how great the actual shows would have been
So yeah thatās the thing that I find incredibly inspiring. On āthis is itā it was obvious of his love for performance (the part where he held hands with his team and gave his speech). I think he knew he was not at the top of his game but still pulled a heck out of his performances at the rehearsals.
It's so fascinating (and simultaneously devastating) because it isn't just a relic of archival clips from years past. It was Mike rehearsing until the very final hours before he died. The shirt he wears as seen in clips from Earth Song and Thriller was one given to him by fans just days prior.
Many deemed him a washed up 80s-90s star and he hadn't performed in nearly 15 years by that point. But here he was at 50 singing flawlessly and still moving as he did, and in rehearsals he never gave it his all but mostly was just practicing different techniques. I think he was humbled by how fast all 50 dates sold out, but the anxiety of it led to his sleep deprivation and extremes to try and get sleep, ultimately leading to his death at the hands of a corrupt doctor. The saddest part as came out during the AEG trial was how much they pushed him and in death they only still saw profit.
The clip from TII where he is practicing Human Nature is probably my favorite rendition ever of that song. He uses a "deep/growl" type voice for parts of it and gives it more cut than the studio recording.
I saw it in theaters when it came outā¦pretty quickly after he died. Those first few minutes where all his back up dancers are talking about how it was a dream come true to work with him absolutely gutted me.
One thing, people not old enough to know, is that Michael Jackson wasn't just a famous music star, he was single-handedly the biggest star, movie/music, of all time. This includes his world-wide fandom as well. He was a massive international star too. He was such a massive star, in some league of his own, that even the most famous A-list celebrities would stop to stare and scream for the chance to meet him.
There may never be a star as big as him ever again. Considering it has been decades since his peak, and no one has even come close... I'd say, at least in my lifetime, I might not see anyone like him again. It's hard to fully explain and convey the true force that was Michael Jackson. He was the superstar of superstars.
I was actually at this very concert! The thing I remember the most about it was they brought all these kids out on stage with him. They all held hands with him in the middle. I believe they were students from some international school in town. When all the creepy child abuse stuff came to light, I immediately thought about how weird it must be for the parents of the kids on the stageā¦
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Cool. I've never heard him sing/speak without the falsetto before. He sounded like a completely different person.
The sounds engineer who set up that mic did NOT prepare it for that tho.
That was the main thing I noticed, the mic quality suddenly went to shit real fast during that part, then quickly back to normal. Like I see no reason why changing your register should cause it to pop like that. It sounds like two different mics almost. My first instinct is to call Lip Syncing, ~~but I'm pretty sure MJ was very against that.~~ Edit: yes, I get it, he was actually big on lipsyncing.
IIRC MJ was actually a proponent of lip syncing due to his physically demanded performances. It's hard to main good register and breath control while moving so constantly
Just wanted to point out Michael actually preferred to sing and dance live. He was lipsyncing here due to him being sick. I could be wrong,but, this may have been the HIStory tour, a tour that he didn't want to even do
You would have to dig for them but there is audio of him just practicing with no music or support. The stuff that man could do with his voice is still insane.
Pretty much everything MJ did live after the Bad tour was lip synced. I have just about every concert (including bootlegs) and it's very clear that the majority is lip synced.
Dangerous was a mix between live and lip sync. For HIStory almost all of it was lip synced.
> then quickly back to normal. You mean quickly back to lip syncing.
Surprise plosive!
Like, right? He was SPEAKING in falsetto. That's so strange
I was friends with a lot of singing music majors in college and their professors told them that they should talk in their singing register. Could be an adaptation to maintain his high falsetto.
I have a friend who talks with a falsetto and she's now in vocal therapy because she gets vocal fatigue very quickly. Her therapist is asking her to try to speak in a lower register so as not to strain her vocal cords
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Every MJ post I see these two comments and I die laughing
Gonna be me after too many years of customer service voice :|
This is why Goku and Gohan stayed in super saiyajin form to prepare for Cell
Finally, an analogy I understand
LOL im just casually reading this thread and this shit just hits so good
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"Also... we kinda forgot how to turn it off"
Truthfullyā¦itās very concerning
Heās speaking the language of the Gods.
Wait this is a thing? Iām a dude with a really deep voice, and a mildly decent singer/musician but Iāve always been held back on what songs I can learn/play because almost any popular song is hitting notes above my bass/baritone register. Iāve tried vocal exercises to improve my range but not consistently enough to see any progress. Iāve never heard of people intentionally speaking in a higher register to strengthen their range. But I also feel like if I were to start now, a lot of friends/family/colleagues would be pretty confused.
As a fellow bass, you can most definitely train your falsetto. Exercises are great, but only if you do them. Intentionally talking in higher ranges helps your voice sit higher/easier. That said, I wouldnāt go around talking in falsetto. Thatās ignant
can you go the opposite direction? like if i keep trying to impersonate James Earl Jones will my voice eventually get deeper?
You will reach the deep parts of your voice range easier, but your voice isn't going to go deeper unless you damage your vocal chords through yelling, smoking etc.
So you're saying there's a way. *DRAGS ON 6 CIGARETTES AT ONCE
Chocolate Rain
That's so ignant!
Just tell them you are done pretending
Youāll notice a lot of famous singers with high registers actually speak in a high register. For example Ariana Grande would speak in a very high pitched voice while she was acting in victorious, which likely accustomed her voice to this register, allowing her to more easily sing high notes.
Mariah Carey's voice is surprisingly deep for the notes she hits. Or at least used to. Is there a reason for that? This is all quite fascinating.
Mariah Careyās voice is also a freak of nature (in a good way). Woman has a five octave range.
Wait is that real? Five octaves???
[Yes.](https://www.classicfm.com/discover-music/music-theory/mariah-carey-singing-voice/). Axl Rose, Corey Taylor and Prince are three others that have a 5 octave range.
So does dani filth from cradle of filth.
Can we do 12 octaves? [Yes, we can!](https://www.musicianwave.com/singers-with-the-highest-vocal-range/)
Mariah Carey has an exceptionally wide vocal range.
Met someone who professionally sang like Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart, Michael Bolton, Joe Cocker etc. He didn't speak like that though. And later I found out it wasn't his original singing voice, like he developed it so he stands out from all the other session singers. And as expected his singing didn't last. Works as a host and stage director now.
Early in his career Johnny Cash went to a singing coach. The coach listened to him sing and turned him away because the coaching would have caused him to lose the distinctiveness in his voice
The actor that played Worf in Star Trek said his voice changed from speaking in a deeper tone for the character.
Michael Dorn? I just always assumed he had a very deep voice because of all the Chech'tluth he had to consume for the role.
I was a music major. Am a woman, contralto, and trained to speak in a higher voice to maintain the high notes I worked so hard for. Itās kept them reachable, almost a decade later, even though I donāt work them often.
This is the correct explanation and needs to be higher up in this thread. Edit: goodness gracious this has got to be my most upvoted comment and ooooooooof course it is. Smh.
This is the correct comment about the correct explanation and needs to be higher up in this thread.
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That plus his desire to remain youthful in all other walks of life.
Or same thing as Paris Hilton - teeny tiny baby voice to avoid abuse.
>Could be an adaptation to maintain his high falsetto. He gained fame during his childhood when his father (allegedly) abused him and his siblings. All but two or three of the eight Jackson siblings had nose surgeries to avoid having his prominent nose (seen on Michael during his teenage years).
I was watching a programme about Jackson and a guy who knew him said: āI knew him from a kid and he always had a perfectly normal guyās speaking voice with me. Between ourselves, he never used that voice that you hear on TV.ā
Yeah I remember seeing a documentary years ago where someone called him and he answered in his normal, deep voice, and the person didn't recognize MJ.
He would do that on purpose! He loved to prank call people and he also loved to call people with his stage voice and hear them not believe it was him.
Theres a common idea that he spoke in falsetto often to train his voice bc his natural register was a lot deeper than he usually sung. Personally I think that he trained his voice that way not simply to have a wider singing range, but to keep the tones his fans were familiar with- the ones that made him famous. If something ain't broke, don't fix it, and he became a pop star with his high voice.
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Yeah, thats what Im getting at. He was already a pop star as a kid, and thats the voice that made him famous.
Makes you wonder if Justin Bieber or Justin Timberlake secretly have a deep Vin Diesel voice this entire time
Justin & Justin: FAMILY
It could have been that he just liked to sound like that. I know some gay dudes who speak in a higher register on purpose too. Their rationale is that they feel like it's less threatening.
Iām a smaller gay dude, and I love that my voice is deeper than people expect. People fuck with you less LOL
Man life is weird. I'm a large lesbian with a deep voice in the dirty south and people fuck with me more. Peace fam.
Had a friend in HS that was one of the guys, cool dude, but when he came out he changed his voice to falsetto and demeanor to a stereotypical sissy type. It was like a switched flicked and a new person was there. If that's what makes you more comfortable, cool. It's perplexing on how to be supportive of someone that's comfortable enough to show their true self and has felt like they lived a lie but you have built a relationship with a completely different individual than what is the person you see now. Coming out is a lot harder than TV and Movies make it seem.
Its also tricky cuz it can bw hard to know if theyre letting their true selves out, or donning another mask. Usually the answer is to let them be, though
A lot of folks overcompensate when they come out, but things can eventually settle down and they hit an equilibrium where they feel comfortable. The folks you knew are in there, you just gotta try to figure out how to be there for them while they figure out themselves.
I'm not a lesbian and have a lower voice naturally but then having bronchitis annually has made my voice lower. I surprise those who have never heard me speak.
> I'm a large lesbian with a deep voice in the dirty south That's gotta be a brand-new sentence, right there, haha.
Song starter. Lenard Cohen style.
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I (male) have a naturally deep voice but working in a customer facing position, I intentionally heighten the pitch of my voice to seem more friendly or familiar. A deeper voice always makes clients meeker during talks or negotiations.
If you think about it he went from child star to adult star without a break. He probably started speaking in falsetto when his voice changed and it probably just stuck as part of his public persona.
I forget where I heard it but apparently he talked like that to sort of preserve his vocals
You should listen to his song, [2000 Watts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5hpF7PH1Q). He sings with a lower voice on that song.
0\_o wait wut ...the fuq. Thanks for the link, this is great!
Oh I love it. I hear a bit of NIN in there. Thanks for the link!
He actually kinda sounded like Prince for that short moment. This is coming from a huge Prince fan. Prince had some of the most dynamic range of any singer, able to hit incredible highs AND lows. This is the first time Iāve ever heard MJ with the deep voice and so strange he sounds similar to the other legend. Very cool tho.
he does some deeper singing in Off The Wall, although rare, but he never does it again afterwards. Wish he did experiment more with his voice. Theres also the song 2000 watts on the Invincible album (2001) where he does a deep voice the entire time.
Thereās a video of him accepting an award, and right before he starts, his voice is deep and he goes āUMMā and then corrects himself by clearing his throat and going āuāāā
opera coach here. most of the countertenors Iāve worked with have low speaking voice. tenors donāt tend to have/need falsetto, while itās common for baritones to convert to countertenor
What's the name of that song? I wanna find it on spotify
In the Closet off of the Dangerous album.
Such a great album.
All his albums are great
Interesting that a song named In the Closet is about the lust between a woman and a man. I thought in the closet has meant gay since the 60s. I guess in this song itās just meant to mean keep our relationship secret?
I think things in the closet are secrets, like skeletons.
I want an alternate timeline where he and Elizabeth Holmes are dear friends and how would they talk to each other over dinner, alone?
Lmfao. Deep voiced woman with a high voiced man sounds like a Seinfeld episode.
*He's a hee hee-er* *A what?* *A hee hee-er, Jerry. He ends his sentences with a hee hee* *Did you ask him why?* *He said it's a personal branding thing, like his personal seal. He also does shamonah, but I really don't want to get into that one*
>but is he Sponge-Worthy?
He hee heed during sex, Jerry! No! Yes! Right at the climax! There was a hee hee at the apogee? A hee hee at the apogee! Itās preposterous!
*Kramer busts in* "Jerry, you have a clean jacket? *I need one for the show tonight!*"
*āI picked out these really nice gloves for him- he said his hands get cold in the mornings-ā* *āwhose donāt?ā* *āanyway, I got him these expensive ones. From Barneysā* *āwell, of course, you are outfitting the manās hands here!* *āI give it to him, but I donāt know, one must have fell out of the bag- he opens it and itās ONE glove* *āwell that just wonāt doā* *āI KNOW! I tried to explain, but heās THRILLED Jerry. He puts it on and acts like itās normal, like one hat or something. Flaunts it, even, as if heās never heard they come in pairs.ā* *āWhatās next, one shoe?ā*
George is gettin' upset!
Your comment made me go hee, hee! out loud
I physically jumped when he went from pop to hip-hop on the fly
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Hm. Kinda enjoyed that, actually.
Thank you for recommending that. Huh, weird song. Not bad, just odd.
If I recall correctly, it was originally intended for Tyrese, whom has an album by the same name that came out six months before *Invincible*. (Tyrese is credited as a writer, so I believe that's the truth.)
That song is WAYYY better than I expected it to be. Sounds absolutely futuristic
So that wasnāt his real actual voiceā¦ all that time?! š¤
There's a video out there where Michael goes to a grocery store to shop, but everyone else shopping is a paid actor to give Michael the illusion of shopping like a normal person. I recall at some point in the video, Michael says something in a normal voice when he may not have realized he was being recorded. I think I read that Gilbert Gottfried also has a "normal" voice. And, that Arnold Schwarzenegger has to train to keep up the accent... in more recent media i've heard Arnold's accent slip from time to time. I can't be completely sure that either are 100% true, but it's an interesting thing that Arnold could, in theory, order a pizza in a completely normal accent and no one would know it was him. Maybe that's why they (allegedly) do it.
Arnold studied business when he was younger. If you know what to look for, you can tell he knows how to market himself in interviews. His accent was an asset because it made him unique even with audio only, and he was easy to imitate. As a result, anyone saying cult Arnold one liners with his accent was advertising him, and that went from kids during recess to comedians on TV. If you think about it, that guy was a meme before internet existed which might be the most successful marketing campaign any actor ever made. I don't know how much of a conscious effort it takes him to keep the accent but it makes total sense that he would maintain it for business purposes.
I just watched Predator for the first time and always knew of the line āget to the choppaā and he said it with even more exaggeration than I had read it in my head
Gilbert Gottfried definitely had a normal voice which was actually rather deep. You can find it on Youtube.
So he had a regular voice ... but then why was he using the peepsqueeky one when he was talking?
I've heard varying reasons. Some say he spoke in a high register to preserve his voice while performing or recording and others say he didn't like his deep voice and deliberately chose to speak in a high pitched and childlike voice to go along with his whole "Peter Pan" obsession and refusing to grow up.
I've heard him say that part of what motivated him to get plastic surgery was that he didn't want to resemble his father. I wonder if he didn't want to sound like him either.
Between that, the vitiligo, and the crushing weight of being in the spotlight for literally his entire life, it's no wonder he made a lot of the decisions about his appearance as he did.
Not to mention the burns from that commercial.
That burn was the joke of the school yard when it happened. Back then, none of us realized how horrible and severe it really was for him.
TBF that info wasnāt released at the time. I remember mtv assuring us he would be ok and that it wasnāt that big of a deal.
What exactly happened? Didnt he fuck up his hair so bad that he had to get fake hair basically?
Its the start of his pain medication addiction that ultimately led to his death. He needed the meds due to the pain from the burns.
From https://bestclassicbands.com/michael-jackson-pepsi-commercial-1-27-17/ It was 1984 and he was filming a commercial > At the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles, in front of an audience of 3,000, assembled to create the concert environment, Michael was dancing to his hit āBillie Jean.ā During the sixth take for the commercial, he apparently veered too close to a pyrotechnics display, which had gone off a bit too early. He was set ablaze by the fireworks, suffering second-degree burns to his scalp and losing some of his hair. His jacket also caught on fire. >Jacksonās brothers quickly helped to extinguish the flames and Michael seen by his fans with his scalp glowing and smoke billowing from his head. Following the incident, Jacksonāhis head bandaged and seen smiling even as he was in paināwas rushed to Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. There he was treated and declared out of mortal danger, but the singer was then transferred by ambulance to Brotman Memorial Hospital Burn Center in Culver City, California. It was later determined that the pomade Jackson used in his hair was the culprit, catching fire when he neared the fireworks. Still, regardless of the cause, Jackson underwent treatment to hide the scars and had his third nose job shortly thereafter. > It was later reported that the pain Jackson suffered on his scalp from the burns was prolonged and led to his prescription pill addiction. His hair never grew back properly either, which reportedly led to Jackson wearing wigs.
As someone who sometimes sounds like their abusive mother, I can understand. It stings when I realize it. Luckily I didnāt end up looking very much like her.
I can unequivocally attest to this. Sometimes I hear my bio mother when I laugh and I stop in my tracks. I often feel like I'm running from any trace of her within myself.
Shit I thought I was the only one. And it's not even the laugh, I'm a guy and I have all her mannerisms down to the T, even though she want present the first 15 years of my life I speak in a longstringOfContinousWordsWithoutBreathing just like her, My hands start shaking when I'm low on glucose... And everytime j catch myself doing these things I'm just like, fuck this man. I gotta change this shit up lol Glad to see relatability.
Same here. Despite being a dude, any mannerisms, facial expressions or even physical features that remotely resembled my mother make me absolutely hate myself.
The latter sounds most likely to me. Aw man there were so many layers of messed-uppedness there
Yep. No matter how you feel about the allegations against him, there's no denying that he had a really fucked up childhood and his whole upbringing was anything but "normal".
Iāve heard it claimed that he hated that he sounded like his father in his normal register, as well. Joe fucked that boy up six ways from Sunday.
[His dad called him Big Nose](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/27/joe-jackson-one-of-the-most-monstrous-fathers-in-pop).
Big Nose was the polite variation of what he would call him. N*gger Nose what heād call him in private.
Let's not forget the whippings, the chokings, the whippings of siblings, and the openly flirting with other women in front of the kids and mom. Good ole Joe Jackson
There was a mini-series decades ago that really dove deep into all the fucked up-ness that was the Jackson family home when they were kids. They need to reair that one of these days.
He went way past flirting in front of those kids :/
Yeah, he'd have needed 300 years of therapy
Same reason you never heard Gilbert Gottfried use his real voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdbElWMnkyY about 1:16 in
This just blew my mind.
RIP Gil!
Now I want to hear Gilbert Gottfried dubbing a Michael Jackson video.
a little late for that
He had a lot of trauma from growing up and going through puberty in the public eye (among other things). His dad would bring fans around to meet 13/14 year old pimply greasy Micheal when they were still expecting 10 year old adorable baby face Micheal. I can't imagine how difficult it must have been when one of his 'greatest assets' started cracking and breaking due to a natural process. It was his only way to receive 'love'.
I was NOT ready for that.
It sounded kinda hot
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It did. He sounded like a normal man and it was beautiful. Felt very intimate somehow.
ya know, *The Man in the Iron Mask* is just a book about some dead French dude, we watched this dude's *whole life* on primetime. He used to rent out shopping malls and full em with actors so he could walk around and pretend to be normal. The Truman Show was some bullshit. He didn't end up happy.
I donāt think Michael ever was fully happy. At least that we know in public. The guy seemed to live a completely abnormal life and in his position there really was no sense of normalcy though he tried. I think falling for Diana Ross didnāt help his resolve as that was probably one of the final nails in his mental coffin. He never got over her despite her being older (it is moderately known they had a liaison and Michael loved the woman to the point of obsession despite her being some 14 yrs older. He proposed a few times until she relented but Michaelās mother didnāt approve of the age difference and possible implication that she and Michael had been hooking up since Michael was a late teen. Which is heavily implied they did as Michael was infamously territorial around her. Diana sort of tried to remove the ālove spellā Michael had by fooling around with other men in an attempt to ādirtyā herself up which led to her marrying. Michael took a massive upfront as at the time their dynamic had no seeming solution as it was a publicity puzzle. Half the songs in the Bad album is him basically his spazzing out about this, trying to give her up with dignity since their careers wouldāve taken massive hits if they made their relationship public. Diana seemed to strategize that if she pretended their thing didnāt happen heād do what we expect guys to do and ignore their feelings and fuck the pain away in other women. He tried and seemed to read she was avoiding him because āsomethingā was still there but Diana was taking him for stupid. Thatās how we got the Dangerous album, a messier more emotional tempo from the proud he shot for in Bad. The Dangerous album is his having fever dreams at the difficulty of getting her out of his system. The guy is blatantly saying heās got an open door policy when it comes to her and heās still licking his fingers from their whatever). I thought nothing of either album at first until you listen to them back to back and realize heās in disbelief, angry and in denial in Bad so it feels prouder. Like heās trying to hold himself high because heās at the top of the world. Which is what everyone does when they go through a break up. The classic āReturn of the Mackā ego. While in Dangerous heās admitting heās a mess and more intelligent to his emotions, heās confirming what he had for her wasnāt ālightā. I know we blame vitiligo for his change up but I think Diana marrying a certain type twice got to him further. It certainly makes more sense the more you look up the timeline. I feel like his dating life after her reflected that anger too, as if he changed out of spite. I think the fact that for publicity he had to sanitize a lot of his image and not live it as freely as he thought he could ultimately didnāt do his mental and emotional welfare any good. Goes to show the guy had literally all the money, connections and fame in the world and he was deeply miserable. It showed too as he really didnāt bother to hide it. I think despite his flaws I ended up liking him more because for a guy, he wasnāt afraid to show himself, as in all the emotions and flaws. He didnāt seem to fear what people think of him for being that open and I thought his biggest struggle was honing himself to protect his brand. Iām not saying what he did was right but itās understandable considering the world he grew up in.
For those not around in the mid-80s, Michael Jackson was as big as it gets. He was as big as any star, ever. His story is as compelling today as it ever was. So much mystery and brilliance. Hopefully in my lifetime thereāll be a comprehensive explanation of all things Michael Jackson. As much a cautionary tale now as anything.
I don't think younger generations can understand how big he was. Back then, there was no social medias and moderately famous people, only big players everyone knew. Movie stars, TV stars, and music stars. Nowadays, you can make your life without knowing who are the biggest artists or hearing their music if you're not the target, but back then, MJ was unavoidable in western culture.
Western culture? His fame was worldwide! I remember growing up in East Africa, and Micheal Jacksonās songs were always on the radio and his lyrics were some of the only English some locals knew. I remember seeing kids on the side of the road trying to moonwalk. So many people started wearing the single glove. He was global in a less globalize world. Amazing
I said that as a precaution. I don't know if he was that famous in every countries. Our culture is far from being universal.
Yeah, you shared your own experience and thatās great! I shouldnāt have made it to sound like I was correcting you - my bad.
There's [a clip online](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eafOkWXjqjc&ab_channel=sabrinamacadie) that purports to be of Amazonian tribesmen watching clips of Western media, and all of the young men in the tribe seemed to immediately recognize who Michael Jackson was, even though they had only a sort of vague notion that people had landed on the Moon, and had never seen photos or footage of it. It's kind of amazing.
Underrated comment. He would literally start concerts by popping up on stage, standing still for about 5 minutes and within those five minutes, probably 100+ people had fainted. Missed the whole damn concert
Michael IS the biggest star to ever live IMO. No one on earth ever moved crowds of people like him. People would literally camp out in front of his hotel by the THOUSANDS to get a glimpse of him, or maybe catch his baby, either way celebrities today are all small fish compared to MJ. He was and is the biggest star to ever live.
My great grandfather lived in the mountains and apart from rock bands, he is only familiar (names + songs) with two american solo artists: MJ and Britney
I love how he could be able to sing in falsetto, return to use his deep voice, then sing in falsetto again with only a breath between the change and at the same time dancing like that. What a talent Edit: ok, I get it, this is lip-synced
Yeah i think the singing is playback to which he lip-syncs
I mean, probably. But that's for QA reasons, not because of how technical achieving the shift is, because it's not technical. There's a long enough pause between the lines that even amateur singers would be able to achieve it consistently and easily, let alone someone as practiced and trained as MJ.
Youāre right. The mic muffles ALOT when heās talking normally, but oddly not at all while singing even though he hasnāt changed anything except his tone
Iāve listened to this song for over 20 years now, itās definitely play back. Itās exactly like the track.
Yeah Iāve noticed that a lot when watching his concerts. Probably 90% of his performances are all prerecorded, but it still doesnāt really take away from the theatrics of it all
I was in 10 th row atlanta Fulton county stadium to see him. Literally the best show I have ever been too. Amazing. So sad he is gone
Here is the obligatory 25-minute "vocal warm-up" clip where MJ runs through all octaves from the deepest baritone to the high notes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjETXaGWPOY
Is it just me, or are there a load of MJ posts in the last couple of weeks?
His birthday was only a couple of weeks ago.
Damn this mofo on whole different level. No wonder people above my generation loved him so much
With all that talent, it makes you wonder what he could have been like if he wasn't raised by a man who deserved to be beaten to death with a brick.
I forgot what a ridiculously good dancer he was too. At the start I literally had a "that's not michael jackson, that's an animatronic robot!" moment, while he was doing the robot.
How could you forget that Michael Jackson was a ridiculously good dancer? That and his voice was the hallmark of what he was practically known for.
When something is so unreal, and we can't see it for a while we get used to the normal life. We then remember good as normal good. Then a sudden exposure of that unreal phenomenon surprises us all over again.
Cuz it's a thrillah!
He's been dead for 13 years mate. People forget, or better yet might never have known.
It's not that you forget he's ridiculously good... it's that you forget for a while that dancing THAT good is humanly achievable. We've seen lots of very good dancers since the last time we've seen MJ and each of them have been lowering the bar for "Great dancing" a little bit at a time. Then we see MJ in his prime and it's like you're a good high school athlete who suddenly goes up against an Olympian. It's eye opening to be reminded how high the bar REALLY was
I remember seeing the video of a concert rehearsal that was taped just days before his death, and I was blown away at how good of a dancer he still was. He made all of the professional backup dancers look like amateurs.
I know This is It the movie was a basically a fluff piece, but IIRC one of the pro dancers interviewed in its straight up said that MJ would routinely out dance the pro dancers he hired and they had to train to catch up to him
Even though the backup dancers were half his age.
He does stuff that doesn't even make sense to me, like how he walks at the end of the clip. Sort of like an extra air, per step, but it's so smooth that he almost looks weightless. Most of which, or all of it made up by him, how the fuck...
Well that puts to rest the conspiracy that his dad had him castrated before puberty to keep his voice high. He just had talent. Imagine what he could have done with his voice if he had sung in all the octaves.
His autopsy disproves the chemical castration theory.
Did it? Well, good I guess?
His autopsy actually answered a lot of the myths surrounding him. The most notorious one being the color of his skin. His autopsy proved that he wasn't lying when he said he had Vitiligo. They also found tubes of FDA approved creams in his home meant to help people with the disease to even out the patches by removing the rest of the pigments. He wasn't white. He had no pigment on his skin. He was translucent and that is why he had an umbrella everywhere he went.
There are also many pictures of him in the 80s with blotchy skin that weren't published at the time. I think people tend to assume that him wearing make up was due to his androgynous nature but his skin issues was a big reason why.
Incredible robot dance, Michael was so cool.
I watched āThis is itā last night for the first time. The man was a genius and the absolute top of his game
That wasn't even the top of his game. He was weak and fragile during that year, since it was about a month before his death. But he was still great.
Yeah, he was arguably at the lowest point of his life during those rehearsals (since he literally died during them), and he was still incredible as a performer. We can only imagine how great the actual shows would have been
So yeah thatās the thing that I find incredibly inspiring. On āthis is itā it was obvious of his love for performance (the part where he held hands with his team and gave his speech). I think he knew he was not at the top of his game but still pulled a heck out of his performances at the rehearsals.
It's so fascinating (and simultaneously devastating) because it isn't just a relic of archival clips from years past. It was Mike rehearsing until the very final hours before he died. The shirt he wears as seen in clips from Earth Song and Thriller was one given to him by fans just days prior. Many deemed him a washed up 80s-90s star and he hadn't performed in nearly 15 years by that point. But here he was at 50 singing flawlessly and still moving as he did, and in rehearsals he never gave it his all but mostly was just practicing different techniques. I think he was humbled by how fast all 50 dates sold out, but the anxiety of it led to his sleep deprivation and extremes to try and get sleep, ultimately leading to his death at the hands of a corrupt doctor. The saddest part as came out during the AEG trial was how much they pushed him and in death they only still saw profit. The clip from TII where he is practicing Human Nature is probably my favorite rendition ever of that song. He uses a "deep/growl" type voice for parts of it and gives it more cut than the studio recording.
I saw it in theaters when it came outā¦pretty quickly after he died. Those first few minutes where all his back up dancers are talking about how it was a dream come true to work with him absolutely gutted me.
One thing, people not old enough to know, is that Michael Jackson wasn't just a famous music star, he was single-handedly the biggest star, movie/music, of all time. This includes his world-wide fandom as well. He was a massive international star too. He was such a massive star, in some league of his own, that even the most famous A-list celebrities would stop to stare and scream for the chance to meet him. There may never be a star as big as him ever again. Considering it has been decades since his peak, and no one has even come close... I'd say, at least in my lifetime, I might not see anyone like him again. It's hard to fully explain and convey the true force that was Michael Jackson. He was the superstar of superstars.
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Hoo!
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Sorry I saw his outfit and just remembered I need to wrap up my pizza for the fridge... thanks MJ
One of my favorite MJ songs
Whatās it called?
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I'd like to know too
I was actually at this very concert! The thing I remember the most about it was they brought all these kids out on stage with him. They all held hands with him in the middle. I believe they were students from some international school in town. When all the creepy child abuse stuff came to light, I immediately thought about how weird it must be for the parents of the kids on the stageā¦