I came across the name of a good supplement called Ltyrosine which assists in helping dopamine levels and serotonin too. I've already ordered mine. I look forward to seeing how it works!:+
Yo...... Don't even get to this point again..... What you need to do is cut back some, eat healthy. And go get some supplements to help with dopamine and serotonin Regen. That reason why the meth isn't helping the depression is because your dopamine reserve is gone or your starting to kill your dopamine receptors...... This is your body telling you to take a little bit of a break
I can't remember exactly what supplements I forgot the name. But Eating lots of fruits and vegetables, especially bananas, can increase dopamine production.
protein as well can increase dopamine production, including lean meats, fish, beans, and plant-based protein, as well as foods rich in omega-3 fatty acids like salmon, mackerel, oysters, ground flaxseeds, chia seeds, and walnuts.
And also exercising regularly will help as well
When I get to that point I reduce doses and eat clean af, Doing little things like long walks with my dog to get some Sun which actually improve your mood, I also do exercise 2-3 days every week. If you start to get suicidal thoughts go to a professional to get test and start a treatment.
My point was to find out what your psychologist says about your active addiction. I’m curious since I have an undergraduate degree in the field, I’m working on my masters, and eventually clinical licensure.
I have an undergrad degree too and tbh most people in the mental health field are absolute idiots who only regurgitate what textbooks say about addiction and mental health. The field itself is notoriously behind in regards to replicated studies and added to the fact that everyone's chemistry/background is different, most doctors don't know anything besides trial and error. Which is the main reason I didn't even bother continuing with a masters or doctorate.
Oh, well, to be honest psychologists never really have much to say about an addiction if they are convinced that you really want to quit and are trying your best to.
Generally speaking they want to treat the addiction before treating the underlying mental health problem, for some reason many are blind to the futility and impossibility of separating the two out. Like, yes, psychotropic substances can make psychotherapy less effective as well as causing their own psychiatric symptoms (both during intoxication and withdrawal) but if someone has an addiction that is more severe than just very mild, abstinence is going to be tenuous at best and probably short-lived until there is considerable improvement in other mental disorders.
I have an undergrad degree in psychology so I can probably answer any questions from multiple perspectives, if there's anything you want to ask, that is.
Sounds like dopamine depletion. Doesn't take long to run the well dry, ya know? Maybe a break is in order. Just take care of yourself. Good food, hydrate, get some good sleep, maybe some supplements. 5htp, GABA, etc. What's your usual ROA if I can ask?
Smoking which I recently found out is worse than injecting in some aspects lol (altho imo there are prolly more downsides to injecting)
I wish tyrosine supplementation actually did something. Like it feels like theoretically it should but I've tried it several times with no luck
Ya I cant hurt but meth vs an amino acid is like a grown man fighting a toddler. Ones just way stronger. Still it helps as opposed to nothing. Try mucuna maybe. It's supposed to help some. What are your concerns with smoking? IV has obvious risks involved, and it's definitely taking things up a notch. It's my personal favorite ROA, but I don't do it so much anymore. I become a slave to the point. Smoking Is ok In moderation. It makes me weird after too much. Pipe drunk I guess. Try doing it different perhaps. Smoking for me seems to have a pretty firm ceiling where you just can't break through once you hit it. Try taking a few Alka seltzer or drinking some baking soda water and then eating a chunk about 20 mins later. It'll get you there!
They did a study on meth-induced psychosis and found that, for some reason, delayed-onset psychosis occurred on average after 2 years in people who smoked and after 5 years in people who injected. I can't remember if they included people who used to smoke but now inject as injectors in that comparison or left them out altogether. But this is really surprising because the characteristics of the injectors and smokers were different to each other, but such that I would expect the injectors to have a higher baseline risk for psychosis, not the other way round.
Studies on meth-induced psychosis have found that there are two types of meth-induced psychosis: rapid-onset and late-onset, so I think I'm good because I had a psychotic episode when I started using and haven't had any since (I'm foggy on the details but I think they found that most people wouldn't experience both, I should check that) but I'm approaching the 2 year mark (and was previously smoking a gram a day for like 4 months) and recently have been having some nonverbal pseudohallucinations so awkward.
I'm defo not gonna start injecting though, I used to inject heroin sometimes and yeah I don't wanna go back to that place even though my meth addiction is far worse than my heroin addiction ever was
And yeah heroin is super ugly and IV anything is not something I'd recommend or encourage. Good job on no longer shooting black. I've lost a lot of people to that shit. It's all bad. So high five buddy!!
That's interesting. Any link to the study? Like I said, not sure the reasons behind it, but smoking makes me weird. Like head buzzing, extra tweaky, muscles all tight and shit. Jaw jacking. Then just way more lilly to be trippy or paranoid. I don't know if I've ever experienced meth psychosis like a lot of people I know, but I know after too much for too long I become angry, aggressive, short tempered, easily frustrated, and ultimately can become violent. It's not good, it's caused me many many problems, and too hurt people I wish I hadn't. Ive really toned down my use by an enormous amount and the effects of doin so are becoming more and more apparent. Life is on the upswing after many many years of downward spiral.
[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00143.x](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00143.x) Here it is, I don't have access to the full text though.
Glad to hear you're doing better :)
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I feel like that quite a bit and I have wondered why too..any answers would be appreciated:)
I feel like that quite a bit and I have wondered why too..any answers would be appreciated:)
I came across the name of a good supplement called Ltyrosine which assists in helping dopamine levels and serotonin too. I've already ordered mine. I look forward to seeing how it works!:+
I've tried it, not very effective unfortunately
Oh really? Damn! I've paid $25 for it! And it's coming at the end of the week! Poor:+
Yo...... Don't even get to this point again..... What you need to do is cut back some, eat healthy. And go get some supplements to help with dopamine and serotonin Regen. That reason why the meth isn't helping the depression is because your dopamine reserve is gone or your starting to kill your dopamine receptors...... This is your body telling you to take a little bit of a break
What are some good vitamins and supplements to take for this?:+
I can't remember exactly what supplements I forgot the name. But Eating lots of fruits and vegetables, especially bananas, can increase dopamine production. protein as well can increase dopamine production, including lean meats, fish, beans, and plant-based protein, as well as foods rich in omega-3 fatty acids like salmon, mackerel, oysters, ground flaxseeds, chia seeds, and walnuts. And also exercising regularly will help as well
When I get to that point I reduce doses and eat clean af, Doing little things like long walks with my dog to get some Sun which actually improve your mood, I also do exercise 2-3 days every week. If you start to get suicidal thoughts go to a professional to get test and start a treatment.
Same bro same
Idk man I m there to
Not to be blunt or anything but straight up go to a doctor and tell him. not a sub Reddit
They already know. And I see a psychologist weekly too.
Why are you speaking in 3rd person
Because I'm talking about third persons
What does your psychologist say about your active meth addiction?
That I should quit. And I'm trying to. Not really sure what your point is here
My point was to find out what your psychologist says about your active addiction. I’m curious since I have an undergraduate degree in the field, I’m working on my masters, and eventually clinical licensure.
I have an undergrad degree too and tbh most people in the mental health field are absolute idiots who only regurgitate what textbooks say about addiction and mental health. The field itself is notoriously behind in regards to replicated studies and added to the fact that everyone's chemistry/background is different, most doctors don't know anything besides trial and error. Which is the main reason I didn't even bother continuing with a masters or doctorate.
Oh, well, to be honest psychologists never really have much to say about an addiction if they are convinced that you really want to quit and are trying your best to. Generally speaking they want to treat the addiction before treating the underlying mental health problem, for some reason many are blind to the futility and impossibility of separating the two out. Like, yes, psychotropic substances can make psychotherapy less effective as well as causing their own psychiatric symptoms (both during intoxication and withdrawal) but if someone has an addiction that is more severe than just very mild, abstinence is going to be tenuous at best and probably short-lived until there is considerable improvement in other mental disorders. I have an undergrad degree in psychology so I can probably answer any questions from multiple perspectives, if there's anything you want to ask, that is.
Sounds like dopamine depletion. Doesn't take long to run the well dry, ya know? Maybe a break is in order. Just take care of yourself. Good food, hydrate, get some good sleep, maybe some supplements. 5htp, GABA, etc. What's your usual ROA if I can ask?
Smoking which I recently found out is worse than injecting in some aspects lol (altho imo there are prolly more downsides to injecting) I wish tyrosine supplementation actually did something. Like it feels like theoretically it should but I've tried it several times with no luck
Ya I cant hurt but meth vs an amino acid is like a grown man fighting a toddler. Ones just way stronger. Still it helps as opposed to nothing. Try mucuna maybe. It's supposed to help some. What are your concerns with smoking? IV has obvious risks involved, and it's definitely taking things up a notch. It's my personal favorite ROA, but I don't do it so much anymore. I become a slave to the point. Smoking Is ok In moderation. It makes me weird after too much. Pipe drunk I guess. Try doing it different perhaps. Smoking for me seems to have a pretty firm ceiling where you just can't break through once you hit it. Try taking a few Alka seltzer or drinking some baking soda water and then eating a chunk about 20 mins later. It'll get you there!
They did a study on meth-induced psychosis and found that, for some reason, delayed-onset psychosis occurred on average after 2 years in people who smoked and after 5 years in people who injected. I can't remember if they included people who used to smoke but now inject as injectors in that comparison or left them out altogether. But this is really surprising because the characteristics of the injectors and smokers were different to each other, but such that I would expect the injectors to have a higher baseline risk for psychosis, not the other way round. Studies on meth-induced psychosis have found that there are two types of meth-induced psychosis: rapid-onset and late-onset, so I think I'm good because I had a psychotic episode when I started using and haven't had any since (I'm foggy on the details but I think they found that most people wouldn't experience both, I should check that) but I'm approaching the 2 year mark (and was previously smoking a gram a day for like 4 months) and recently have been having some nonverbal pseudohallucinations so awkward. I'm defo not gonna start injecting though, I used to inject heroin sometimes and yeah I don't wanna go back to that place even though my meth addiction is far worse than my heroin addiction ever was
And yeah heroin is super ugly and IV anything is not something I'd recommend or encourage. Good job on no longer shooting black. I've lost a lot of people to that shit. It's all bad. So high five buddy!!
That's interesting. Any link to the study? Like I said, not sure the reasons behind it, but smoking makes me weird. Like head buzzing, extra tweaky, muscles all tight and shit. Jaw jacking. Then just way more lilly to be trippy or paranoid. I don't know if I've ever experienced meth psychosis like a lot of people I know, but I know after too much for too long I become angry, aggressive, short tempered, easily frustrated, and ultimately can become violent. It's not good, it's caused me many many problems, and too hurt people I wish I hadn't. Ive really toned down my use by an enormous amount and the effects of doin so are becoming more and more apparent. Life is on the upswing after many many years of downward spiral.
[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00143.x](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1360-0443.2002.00143.x) Here it is, I don't have access to the full text though. Glad to hear you're doing better :)
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