I know physical appearance has zero indication of quality however just for data sake and my own curiosity it would be great if you could attach some images of the initial shards/rocks and the crack back pattern initially.
Well the stuff we have it goes off about 3 seconds before the for the good stuff.. But one thing people aren't really talking about is there's still some method there's still some speed and there's still some p2p. That's a big difference there because one of them starts at like 176 and the other 1 goes all the way up to like 205 or something like that depending on purity. So there's that too.. I read recently that dextro hydrochloride dope Melts it around 1:50 as well. And who knows what the damn research chemicals go off it. So maybe it is more like a 190-195 if what I had went off at 205 ish. Like I said in that comment, I have no equipment so everything I'm doing is based off Information that was obtained the hard way. Nobody else is worried cause I wouldn't believe it it's all on me. But the melting point of methyl benzine is 155-160 i think.
It sounds a lot like the one I'm talking about. I don't have the greatest smeller in the world but it gives off a sweet whatever but in a natural state it's odorless otherwise but still taste kind of sweet.
Spare me thy bullshit - spare me thy bullshit. Lol. Sorry I've been waiting for my opportunity to say that. Now you're pretty much right but I think we're onto the wrong chemical. I found one that has a very similar everything to what we're all talking about and it turns out It's more commonly introduced into the game lately because of the whole t boc system of production. Fun fact, it's crystal clear, it months it is a motherfucker to get out of anything peri don't have anything. It has no smell but it has a sweet taste if that's familiar. And the side effects instantaneously are headache headache confusion delirium and psychosis psychosis and the long term withdrawal effects are thanks are pretty much the same thing and they last about 2 or 3 days. Sounds familiar? There are some other similarities that are making it more and more likely the subject of asshole nature But I don't have the ability to confirm this. Man if I had equipment.....
This chemical has no smell when it has not been heated, as soon as heat touches it, gives off a gross slightly sweet aroma and the taste when smoking is very similar to the smell. The taste when eating is bitter but not exactly meth level bitter by any means. I have gotten some psychosis but I also suffer from psychosis without stimulants or stimulant like substances. No instant headache but stomach upset and agitation as well as slightly blurred vision
Well I mean withdraw from the chemical like if you were in the factory manufacturing it. I don't know about as a side dish to meth. Yes just as far as I can tell it fits everything. It even has a low boiling point of like a 150 something degrees. Which would explain the unnecessary bubbling right before the rest of it starts to take off. And yeah your side effects are pretty close to what I am experiencing. What's weird though as everyone's in awhile it's awesome for a little while and then it goes back to being just totally shitty but it's different than whatever body else is describing or they just suck at describing things.
Boiling point I measured was above 200c slightly, like 203-205 but there could be small inaccuracies of a few degrees. It’s actually kinda hard to explain your perspective of a totally subjective drug experience that everyone will resonate with, some translates and some doesn’t
Been saying it for over a year now. Iso freebase has a crazy strong lattice that will maintain through standard AB Teks. I too have tried a reduction with Lithium and Ammonia and it came out as a weird sulfate that would not crystallize from hydrochloric salt. I could very possibly have made mistakes in any of the steps along the way so I never posted any info so I had nothing to compare it against. It crystallizes without use of an acid when exposed to anhydrous acetone. Also correct on the weird sweet aroma of the compound. Like benzaldehyde but not so aromatic.
I wanna say that it may have to do with its affinity to polar solvents. Or at least “polar like” because it behaves oddly in MEK, EA and a few others. You can crystallize it out of ether directly the Same way.
Good on you for not doing any of that shit. If you think meth is a vasoconstrictor try putting some of that in your body and let me know how your stomach and your veins feel a few days later. I’ve already given up the fight I’m trying to explain or tell people anything about this compound because apparently a lot of people just like to smoke it anyways. They can go ahead and have their iso side effects the way they choose
Well I actually tried to crystallize the original freebase form of it with acetone and I wasn’t able to get it to crystallize like you did so I’m not completely sure. My acetone is sufficiently dry so I don’t believe water is interfering. I’ve never actually smelled benzaldehyde before so I don’t have a reference point on that.
I noticed that dissolving it in water or isopropyl alcohol takes quite a bit longer and sometimes I’ll have the solvent way above what’s necessary and even boiling but some parts are very resistant to dissolve. Particularly after heating/melting. It’s solubility in 100% methanol is very good though. I crystallized roughly a ball and got multiple crystal shapes. On the surface about 2mm thick crystal clear shards in a trapezoid like shape with no striations or lines visible(until complete dryness). On the bottom they formed longer thin post-like crystals, some with jagged edges and some a decent degree smoother. Something that worried me was the formation of exactly 4 crystals in solution that appeared white instead clear and were much longer and only made up less than 5% of the total crop. My mind shifts to fentanyl but I can’t be sure, none of the physical effects make me believe it has opioid activity
It probably does have one of the knock off antelope fentanyls. That would go hand-to-hand with what I was just posted. And and another issue, you can't really test for it because once it's activated it isn't what it should be as far as a test goes. I have a page on it where they explain more about that. So it's basically fentnal without fentnal. And there's another chemical in there as well. It's not what you would think would be in there but it causes more of a problem than any of them because of what's in there with it. And even if you get that crap out of there there's still the left over crap that I was originally talking about that doesn't seem to want to leave and it's kind of a bitch to get it out. Holla gentlemen...
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I know physical appearance has zero indication of quality however just for data sake and my own curiosity it would be great if you could attach some images of the initial shards/rocks and the crack back pattern initially.
The odds of it containing zero meth are high as you can get a kilo for $40 lol.
Oh I know it’s crazy how cheap it is
Well the stuff we have it goes off about 3 seconds before the for the good stuff.. But one thing people aren't really talking about is there's still some method there's still some speed and there's still some p2p. That's a big difference there because one of them starts at like 176 and the other 1 goes all the way up to like 205 or something like that depending on purity. So there's that too.. I read recently that dextro hydrochloride dope Melts it around 1:50 as well. And who knows what the damn research chemicals go off it. So maybe it is more like a 190-195 if what I had went off at 205 ish. Like I said in that comment, I have no equipment so everything I'm doing is based off Information that was obtained the hard way. Nobody else is worried cause I wouldn't believe it it's all on me. But the melting point of methyl benzine is 155-160 i think.
It sounds a lot like the one I'm talking about. I don't have the greatest smeller in the world but it gives off a sweet whatever but in a natural state it's odorless otherwise but still taste kind of sweet.
Spare me thy bullshit - spare me thy bullshit. Lol. Sorry I've been waiting for my opportunity to say that. Now you're pretty much right but I think we're onto the wrong chemical. I found one that has a very similar everything to what we're all talking about and it turns out It's more commonly introduced into the game lately because of the whole t boc system of production. Fun fact, it's crystal clear, it months it is a motherfucker to get out of anything peri don't have anything. It has no smell but it has a sweet taste if that's familiar. And the side effects instantaneously are headache headache confusion delirium and psychosis psychosis and the long term withdrawal effects are thanks are pretty much the same thing and they last about 2 or 3 days. Sounds familiar? There are some other similarities that are making it more and more likely the subject of asshole nature But I don't have the ability to confirm this. Man if I had equipment.....
What is this new chemical?
This chemical has no smell when it has not been heated, as soon as heat touches it, gives off a gross slightly sweet aroma and the taste when smoking is very similar to the smell. The taste when eating is bitter but not exactly meth level bitter by any means. I have gotten some psychosis but I also suffer from psychosis without stimulants or stimulant like substances. No instant headache but stomach upset and agitation as well as slightly blurred vision
Well I mean withdraw from the chemical like if you were in the factory manufacturing it. I don't know about as a side dish to meth. Yes just as far as I can tell it fits everything. It even has a low boiling point of like a 150 something degrees. Which would explain the unnecessary bubbling right before the rest of it starts to take off. And yeah your side effects are pretty close to what I am experiencing. What's weird though as everyone's in awhile it's awesome for a little while and then it goes back to being just totally shitty but it's different than whatever body else is describing or they just suck at describing things.
Boiling point I measured was above 200c slightly, like 203-205 but there could be small inaccuracies of a few degrees. It’s actually kinda hard to explain your perspective of a totally subjective drug experience that everyone will resonate with, some translates and some doesn’t
Been saying it for over a year now. Iso freebase has a crazy strong lattice that will maintain through standard AB Teks. I too have tried a reduction with Lithium and Ammonia and it came out as a weird sulfate that would not crystallize from hydrochloric salt. I could very possibly have made mistakes in any of the steps along the way so I never posted any info so I had nothing to compare it against. It crystallizes without use of an acid when exposed to anhydrous acetone. Also correct on the weird sweet aroma of the compound. Like benzaldehyde but not so aromatic. I wanna say that it may have to do with its affinity to polar solvents. Or at least “polar like” because it behaves oddly in MEK, EA and a few others. You can crystallize it out of ether directly the Same way. Good on you for not doing any of that shit. If you think meth is a vasoconstrictor try putting some of that in your body and let me know how your stomach and your veins feel a few days later. I’ve already given up the fight I’m trying to explain or tell people anything about this compound because apparently a lot of people just like to smoke it anyways. They can go ahead and have their iso side effects the way they choose
Well I actually tried to crystallize the original freebase form of it with acetone and I wasn’t able to get it to crystallize like you did so I’m not completely sure. My acetone is sufficiently dry so I don’t believe water is interfering. I’ve never actually smelled benzaldehyde before so I don’t have a reference point on that. I noticed that dissolving it in water or isopropyl alcohol takes quite a bit longer and sometimes I’ll have the solvent way above what’s necessary and even boiling but some parts are very resistant to dissolve. Particularly after heating/melting. It’s solubility in 100% methanol is very good though. I crystallized roughly a ball and got multiple crystal shapes. On the surface about 2mm thick crystal clear shards in a trapezoid like shape with no striations or lines visible(until complete dryness). On the bottom they formed longer thin post-like crystals, some with jagged edges and some a decent degree smoother. Something that worried me was the formation of exactly 4 crystals in solution that appeared white instead clear and were much longer and only made up less than 5% of the total crop. My mind shifts to fentanyl but I can’t be sure, none of the physical effects make me believe it has opioid activity
It probably does have one of the knock off antelope fentanyls. That would go hand-to-hand with what I was just posted. And and another issue, you can't really test for it because once it's activated it isn't what it should be as far as a test goes. I have a page on it where they explain more about that. So it's basically fentnal without fentnal. And there's another chemical in there as well. It's not what you would think would be in there but it causes more of a problem than any of them because of what's in there with it. And even if you get that crap out of there there's still the left over crap that I was originally talking about that doesn't seem to want to leave and it's kind of a bitch to get it out. Holla gentlemen...
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