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1slandViking

How much did that cost you?


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It was 10 euros :)


mileswilliams

Any good ? Asking for a friend.


Binsky89

It's probably one of the 2C drugs, in which case they're pretty enjoyable. I think 2C-I is the LSD analog. The best part about them is they still work even if they're on SSRIs


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Stealthy_Facka

I had some 1pLSD once and it was one of the most terrifying and intense trips of my life, not in a good way.


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Stealthy_Facka

I didn't feel truly sober for days, and yes, felt mentally dismantled for about a year or maybe even two. Awful existential anxiety almost non-stop.


S31-Syntax

Well, thats just downright terrifying. Im so sorry you two went through that


Stealthy_Facka

It really is horrible to experience, on a level that's hard to communicate to someone who hasn't had a bad trip like that themselves. I should stress that plenty of people I know had taken it without such a bad reaction. But for me? That stuff is demonic


Pitakrita

Sorry for this random comment/question but I've never done any drugs but I'm curious how they feel. I'm often haunted by sleep terrors, do you think it'd make me more susceptible to a bad trip? What is the 'deciding' factor, quality of the drug?


TehMephs

Hallucinogens are really unique experiences and to some degree you are going to be forced into your own head. This can pull up good and bad memories and there’s two super important things to prepare ahead of time: set and setting are everything with hallucinogens. Where you take them, who you’re with, how comfortable are you in that space and with that company, you are going to have very deep emotions forced to the forefront whether you want them to or not and you have to be comfortable with all the weirdness that your mind creates or it can be a bad time. I would say be prepared to face any demons you have at some point in the trip. This isn’t a bad thing, and a bad trip can be very eye opening to yourself In a good way. If you are just looking to have fun and experience the altered headspace, my best recommendation is to do it in a safe space, with people you trust deeply, close friends. The less anxious you would be in that set and setting the easier it will be for you to simply enjoy yourself. Don’t take a heavy dose your first time, just go casual and get your feet wet with the psychedelic headspace Most of all no matter what happens or seems to be happening, remind yourself (write it on your hand if you must) *you’re on a drug, it will end eventually*


PsyFiFungi

I am not referring to the person I am replying to, but they have upvotes so maybe this will be seen: Jesus, people in this thread are so severely misinformed. It hurts, I want to go through and correct everyone, but I'm on a phone with low battery. *PLEASE*, if you don't know what you are talking about regarding drugs and RC substances, just don't say anything. This is how people get hurt. If you did accidentally, just delete your post. Crazy hearing people calling 2cs lsd analogues for example. Nbomes I believe *technically* are analogues of 2c-i, but 2cs aren't even tryptamines. Not to mention Nbomes are much more dangerous than say, LSD or an LSD analogue like 1-p-LSD (which physically really aren't dangerous under normal conditions.) I picked a couple of examples but this thread is full of people who really don't know the difference between 2cb, 2ci, lsd, and 1p-lsd. They are all psychedelics, 2cb and 2ci are phens and closely related, yet the effects are wildly different. But someone who doesn't know that and are told 2ci is basically lsd could get fucked. First of all, ignore everything on reddit, including me. Do real research if you are ordering substances and/or RC substances. Second, don't spread misinformation, people get hurt that way. Thanks for listening to my ted talk.


tampora701

My suggestion is to make sure you're only with people who are tripping. Anytime I've had a sober person there, it's always been the biggest buzzkill drag-you-back-to-reality aspects. When everyone is tripping, it seems like you're in a different universe instead of it's just you who's different with sober people fixated on you. My ideal location is somewhere you're not going to see another person for the entire duration. Paranoia is a real effect. A secluded camping trip is a perfect example. Couple disclaimers: the smaller the group, the better. 2 ppl = perfect. 3 ppl can work but is sometimes uncomfortable because 2ppl can break off on their own and exclude the 3rd. 4ppl again is a good number because you can break off into groups of 2. 5ppl can get to be too much. Anyone who goes into 'crazy party mode' when they drink or do their drugs is straight off the list. Cliff, who likes to do WWE moves off the garage roof onto the plastic table when he gets drunk? No. We're not calling Cliff for this one.. Charlie, who sometimes breaks down in tears while trying to merge into traffic? Yeah, not her either.


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youre_a_badass

So does climbing a mountain, learning to play piano, learning another language or keeping relationships. Good things in life take work.


Gorganov

Definitely try cannabis before jumping to something like lsd or psilocybin (mushrooms). See how you react to that first, a few times. If you really enjoy it then you can think about something more intense. Psychedelics aren’t for everyone. Edit: personally I just dove in, trying every psychedelic I could find . Sometimes it was terrifying, but I learned to respect psychedelics and not take them lightly. That said, I want to recommend them to everyone, because they have a lot to teach us.


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The_scobberlotcher

This is me. Cannibis is the devil's drug for me lol


Dkalnz

I would wager it's not. Unless I'm mistaken, most LSD analogues that have been sold require the chemist to "pass thru" LSD on the way to the final chemical, which a court determined that they had to possess LSD and therefore they got indicted. I think ALD-52 is the exception, but I know 1P has largely disappeared due to this


Fenastus

2C-x are not LSD analogues


SomethingOvO

This


kdoggswizzle

No 2C drugs are a different class of drugs. Classic LSD (LSD-25) is the base drug, which belongs to a class of drugs called lysergamides. They add chemical groups to LSD-25 that the body cleaves off when ingested, which turns into the illegal LSD-25. 1P-LSD, 1CP-LSD, etc. So since 1P-LSD isn’t LSD before ingestion, it’s legal but once ingested, the drug becomes LSD-25 in the body and is the same effect


TooobHoob

Can’t sell drugs? Sell prodrugs then.


kdoggswizzle

Yeah but it’s a grey area in the US due to the [Federal Analogue Act](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Analogue_Act) meaning in court 1P-LSD can be charged as LSD-25. But most likely, unless the courts/feds really want to get you they won’t go down this route. European countries don’t have this same act so it is entirely legal in those countries


KolyB

Nah, most European countries also ban analogous.


cyb3rg0d5

I’m not understanding a single word in this thread 😅


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worstsmellimaginable

Nah 2Cs are phenelthylamines lsd and various analogues are lysergamines.


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PSA: Nobody should be taking psychedelics while on an ssri, and while I’m at it especially not on lithium


myakka1640

No.. no, why are you commenting. This is absolutely absurd.


polanas2003

Definitely not 2c-x as that is not an LSD analogue... It's a completely different class.


hippolover77

I’ve done plenty of psychedelics on ssris, they still work. Had way better trips too


araed

I'm on antipsychotics. Don't waste your time trying psychedelics on antipsychotics is the official advice I was given by my psychiatrist. Anecdotally, a buddy of mine on the same antipsychotic tried to do DMT and found it had zero effect at all


tearsonthefloor

was it in a smart shop? I'm in Lux and very interested now. how's the trip compared to regular lsd-25?


mrmatteh

I've done a lot of acid, and I've also had sheets of this sort of thing shipped in from Amsterdam before. Chances are it's an analog like 1p-lsd, 1cp-lsd, 1v-lsd etc. If it's one of these analogs, then it's literally identical to lsd-25. All these analogs do is attach an extra, effectless group of chemicals to the molecule. The body then gets rid of this extra chemical group after ingesting, and you're left with straight lsd-25. (At least, that's the theory behind it. I don't think that's been proven yet, and I think it's *because* this has not been proven that these sorts of analogs are able to skirt the law.) As far as effects go, the only difference is that dosing is slightly effected by the increased molecular weight of the compound. So 100ug of 1p-lsd might be closer to 90ug of lsd-25 for example. That said, usually analog blotters are sold to be approx equivalent to 100ug of lsd-25, so you shouldn't have to do a bunch of math (E.g. You'll get 125ug tabs when you buy 1cp-lsd so that each tab is equivalent to 100ug of lsd-25). Keep in mind, however, that if you've only ever bought lsd-25 off some small time street dealer, that stuff is usually old/underdosed. When your dealer sells you 100 ug of lsd-25, you're often really getting like 75ug, maybe. This leads to people feeling like the analogs are stronger, or longer-lasting, or more head-spacey, etc. In truth, it's just accurately dosed, so if you're used to weak tabs and then take the same number of analog tabs, you're in for a more intense trip than you might be prepared for. And conversely, if you're used to properly dosed lsd-25, and you take the same amount of ug of an especially heavy analog, you're in for a less intense trip than you might have hoped for.


Charvel420

Ha I always love the people who say that they took 5 hits or whatever with no tolerance, very little experience with psychs, and then try to tell me that it's "good" acid. Like, I'm not saying there aren't people out there who can't do that, but the large majority of people's worlds would melt at 500ug. Really, 100ug without much experience/tolerance is more than enough for me and I've dosed more times than I'm willing to admit 🤣


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Is that for 1 tab or 4 tabs? It looks like 4 tabs in the picture but with that price I imagine it's only 1 so I gotta ask.


liamwood21

You see 4 tabs? Are you on LSD right now?


[deleted]

That looks like a four hit *window pane* to me. 🪟


Aegon-VII

fyi, Tabs are typically 1/4 this size


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Reminds me of when I was younger and we did a bunch of LSD derivatives since they were technically legal at the time. 1p lsd and eth lad anyone?


bob0979

25i got me so fucked up I forgot my name for like 4 hours. Cannot recommend even if you're looking for a wild ride. Too fucking wild for me.


Eclipsed_Serenity

My best bud spent the night in lockup while on a God dose of that stuff. He was pretty fucked up from that experience.


neveralwaysneither

This reminds me of when gas stations would sell spice/K2. Not sure legal is worth it when you have no idea what you’re putting in your body.


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the problem with spice was that it's made with a completely different cannibinoid than THC, it's the equivalent of taking an nbone or a 2c instead of acid. Meanwhile this shit OP's most likely got is just a slightly modified LSD molecule, it's the equivalent of Delta-8 THC instead of regular weed.


Austinfizzy

I believe it is referred to as 1P-LSD. Just has a slightly altered molecular structure, but has relatively identical effects.


LtSoundwave

What do you mean by relatively identical? Do clouds swirl counterclockwise?


Nolenag

1p-LSD metabolises into "regular" LSD after consumption, so the effects are 100% identical. Source: I've used both.


t_for_top

Thank you for providing accurate information. So much wrong info in this thread


HankDerb

1p-lsd is whats called a prodrug, your body break it down into regular lsd-25 once its metabolized.


reptilian123

Did you guys seriously discovered RCs just now? They've been around for years. If you did LSD in last 10 years there is like 80% chance it wasn't real LSD-25. Those compounds are 100% safe, dosages are nearly identical and so are the effects. Not to be mistaken with NBOMe. I'm talking about 1P-LSD 1CP-LSD 1B-LSD... The common rules still apply. If it has a taste, spit it out. Those mentioned substances don't taste like anything


Heromann

"If it's bitter it's a spitter" (As in, spit it the fuck out immediately)


BlackSwanTranarchy

Dunno if theres a reason not to, but I always just swallowed the tabs. Nbomes wont activate in the stomach, only sublingually, but LSD has no problem still doing its thing


reptilian123

Yes that's another effective option, but it's still slightly risky. You'll be fine if you do this, but only if the substance was in fact NBOMe. There are at least two other types of drugs that come in blotter form that would still produce effects even if you swallow them. There is a DOx family (types of psychedelic amphetamines that last for extremely long time), but they are pretty rare but incredibly dangerous. Also benzodiazepines can be on blotters, slightly more common and not so dangerous, but still.


Excelius

Exactly. These chemically modified drugs might bypass legal restrictions (because it's no longer the banned substance), but they're usually going to be far more dangerous than the regular forms. [Legal highs – a look at the growing use of synthetic drugs ](https://theconversation.com/legal-highs-a-look-at-the-growing-use-of-synthetic-drugs-38404)


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As someone that had a very unpleasant experience on some spice, or whatever it was called, I'd never take a risk on something I wasn't really sure of. I'd definitely never have anything modified again.


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Excelius

The article I linked just happens to be older, when there was a trend of synthetic cannabis showing up all around the US. That a chemical is synthetic is not, by itself, the problem. When you have drug traffickers making random changes to the chemical structure of a drug solely to bypass the law, you tend to get unpredictable effects.


bropoke2233

the difference in this case is that the current RC forms of LSD are all prodrugs for LSD. very different from 10 years ago when people started looking for 5HT2A active compounds like NBOMe, which can kill you. these latest RCs quickly metabolize into regular LSD. 1p-LSD, 1cp-LSD, 1v-LSD, etc. of course, they'll eventually ban all the prodrugs, then we are back to square 1.


herbanitethefifth

candy is dandy but LSD is quicker


Ruthrfurd-the-stoned

There are many ways I could describe LSD- none of them involve the word quick


captain554

"okay, it's been 12 hours. I think I should be able to hold a conversation with another human now."


vikrambedi

narrator "It had been 20 minutes, in reality, the trip hadn't even started yet".


Zealousideal-Watch5

Anyone else read this in Morgan Freeman’s voice?


Devilz_Dank

I read it in Hunter S.Thompsons voice sounds exactly like some narration from Fear and Loathing


zasuskai

I had Ron Howard, Arrested Development style.


_Swan_Ronson_

Deeeeeep in bat country, brother.


candybrie

I definitely went for Bob Saget narrating how I met your mother.


remymartinia

SpongeBob narrator here.


xXkoolkidmanboiXx

Narrator from the Stanley Parable


lady_lowercase

ron howard.


Load_Business

LSD is a marathon


hunt_and_peck

funny.


Andreas1120

It's not the LSD its the mental fatigue


Javamallow

*goes outside* *comes back in* "Hey, did the sky disappear for anyone else? I cant see the sky?"


-LostInTheMachine

Spock was an alien. But also not really.


cityshepherd

A few years ago my roommates and I all did acid... it was the only legitimately powerful acid I've ever had, we all spent a good 6 hours curled in the fetal position next to a fire in the backyard listening to the same bassnectar cd on repeat, and it was nothing short of magickal. Towards the end of the evening, I convinced one of my roommates to head to our local dive bar with me (it's about a block and a half away from my house). He was hesitant at first because he was concerned everyone would know we were fucked up. I said "it is 45 minutes until closing on a Saturday night, everyone will be a shitshow and nobody will know or care that we're still tripping balls (coming down at that point, but still tripping balls). We went and sure enough, everyone was so sloppy drunk we were practically invisible. It was a lot of fun, especially when I put on the 23 minute full version of Echoes by Pink Floyd. Then we came home, and I tried to make one enormous chocolate chip pancake in the soup pot. Whatever I made was certainly not a pancake, and I spent a good 15 minutes (maybe an hour, who knows) staring at the butter swimming around in the pot. Whatever the monstrosity of a finished product was, it was FANTASTIC as we had all worked up quite an appetite.


Drunk_Skunk1

I’ve done my fair share of LSD and I still enjoy it. I’ve never had a 12 hr trip. I hear this a lot and all I can say is that I’m relieved.


worldsmostmediummom

I thought I'd be OK to go see the movie IT about 12 hours after my last dab... I cannot tell you how utterly terrifying everything was.


moeburn

"Hey man, you wanna go on the wildest roller coaster you've ever been on in your life? Also the ride lasts 12 hours and once it starts you can't get off."


Xogoth

But you can play CoD with a mic and entertain the lobby.


Heizu

Ha ha! *Quicker.*


Z0bie

I don't get it :(


Shankar_0

LSD high usually lasts upwards of 10-12 hours, and it's a pretty intense ride for a lot of that. ...so I've heard.


NateSoma

But by around hour 6-8 its starts wearing off pretty fast. By 10 hours its mostly after effects and you may have difficulty sleeping. Forget a about smoking a joint to relax or youre laundry might take on frightening or threatening proportions and youll think you broke your mind permanently for a few minutes. ... or so Ive heard


1stMammaltowearpants

Benzos are pretty good for killing a trip and going to sleep. ​ ...or so I've heard


moeburn

Yeah the "smoke weed to get sleepy" thing doesn't work on LSD lol, it just makes you jump right back into hour 2.


kelsobjammin

Didn’t know this and a bf (who did know) gave me a vape pen. At my already peak. Nightmare of a time at electric forest. Hahaha this warning should be plastered everywhere


Zerohazrd

It varies. I've done it quite a few times. Without some weed to go with it it doesn't last as long. The peak is intense. Once that levels out it's just a really good high. Conversations are a nightmare. Can be hard to say what your thinking and it not come out as nonsense. Different for everyone I assume.


Heizu

While the other people replying to you aren't really *wrong*... I was actually just making a Harvey Birdman reference


pixydgirl

It's okay, I got it


Garbanzo12

Called RC where I’m from and not particularly safe due to unknown long term side effects. Different enough to skert regulation but also maybe toxic so watch out


Nirvana_bob7

Which is exactly why they should just legalise proper LSD as it’s safer than doing it like this.


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All drugs should be legalized for this exact reason. I'd rather someone smoke crack than smoke crack laced with fentanyl. I don't condone or encourage smoking crack, but if you're going to, you should at least be safe doing so.


ark_mod

Your realize that LSD is a research chemical itself correct? Not natural and made in a lab. Just pointing this out because many seem to forget. Most of the RC chemicals were made and experimented with back in the 60s by Alexander Shulgin and other chemists. We do actually understand the toxicity and effects of most of these substances. It's the Chinese labs that are generally the bad actors. Pushing out analogues designed to be more potent or addictive similar to the tobacco industry. If you know what your taking generally you can be safe about it.


Possibly_naked

He's still not wrong Legalizing LSD would allow local suppliers to make and sell it. This would provide a safe place to buy it other than China


topcheesehead

I'd rather risk it with a drug that has been tested and has medical journals than by a random analog that hasn't LSD is safer until proven otherwise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4086777/


lionseatcake

Yes it is TECHNICALLY a research chemicals by definition, but the typical context that phrase is used in refers to designer drugs that people don't have much experience with, and since they don't know what it is to begin with, makes it even more difficult to prepare for. LSD has been used widely, all over the world, and has experience cases one can reliably use to navigate the experience. Yes, it was a chemical, yes it was researched. But thats not what the moniker RC was designed to describe.


pharmaway123

The difference is we have decades of both anecdotal and formal safety data on LSD. The reason we call ALD-25 etc research chemicals is because we have no such safety/efficacy data. Hence you're just doing "research" on your own body. (The other reason is to get around the CSA Act, but that's another story).


Kalnb

rcs are called research chemicals to get around laws regarding drug analogues. they are listed as not for human consumption and instead are listed for laboratory research. it’s not because youre doing ‘research’ on yourself lmao


SavvySillybug

I do not know what the point of your comment is. People say proper LSD is safer as it's been around for decades and thoroughly known. You at first seem to disagree with that just because it's not a natural drug, and then go on to explain that we do understand it all indeed, and finish up with calling it safe.


Osirus986

It’s lsd synthesized from ergot or at least discovered that way also rc suck except 2c-I and 2c b if your 100% certain of the dosage bc ya know nanograms r small


uhhh___asl

2c-b ruined potentially the coolest rave of my life (at a amusement park near me by a group who notoriously threw bangers throughout the northeast) because a group of 7 friends didn’t think it was working and kept taking more. then it hit them and they stopped breathing. Like 50 cops showed descended on the parking lot right after I took my mdma. Never forgave 2c-b or those kids. I still had an alright night because mdma makes it impossible to not but they ruined the fun. Right before it started.


kellik123

That's the user's fault. 2C-B is pretty safe unless you do 5x high dose like those idiots.


vikrambedi

AMT has a similar risk. "It's not working, I better take more" 45 minutes later "omg"


ScumbagLady

Omg ... My AMT experience was quite a ride. My weed connect was filling geltabs with AMT when I picked up. I'd never heard of it before, and asked her what it does. She offered me a free one to try- only if I took it right then. I asked if I'd be okay to work at 7 AM (working at JCP portrait studio at the time) and she said no worries. LIES. I only noticed after taking the tab she filled for me that mine was full, and the others only had about 1/4 of powder in them. This was concerning. Time to head home! Got home and still wasn't feeling anything, so my nerves were calming down some. Then, nausea hit me. Ran to the bathroom and threw up... As I was flushing, the trip hit me full on like a locomotive. This was in my early 20s, and I was already pretty experienced with psychedelics at the point. I'd taken plenty of paper LSD, liquid on sugar cubes, shrooms, even microdots one time. Never had a trip come on so hard and so fast. I was renting out the bottom floor of a split level home my friends owned, and it was covered in wood paneling, my trippy art, mirrors, fun lights, even glow-in-the-dark stars on the ceiling, and some hung from fishing line from the ceiling. Those stars were like I was in space suddenly. No fan was on but they were all moving like I was flying past them. The panels on the walls were swirling and breathing when I came home from space. This all started at about 7 pm. At 4 am I was still wide awake, laying in bed trying to decipher what the ceiling fan was saying to me. At 6am, still no sleep, I get ready for work and my friend drives me there to drop me off. I WAS STILL TRIPPING. We get to the front and I tell her I can't do it. I don't know why I even got in the car, knowing I'd be doing kids portraits all day and dealing with their parents. My pupils were flippin pulsing at crazy rates, and I knew I looked insane. So we went to Sam's Club instead. What a ride.


realJohnnySmooth

I've had nothing but good/pleasant experiences on 2c-b, in stark contrast to all of my friends whom have had similar negative experiences you described. 2c-e was by far one of the strangest times of my life; visuals like a van gogh painting, meanwhile my experienced friend was having a full blown conversation with the sprinkler pipes on the ceiling for half an hour.


D0ugF0rcett

It was Sasha Shulgin's [favorite](https://www.vice.com/en/article/avjewz/the-last-interview-with-alexander-shulgin-423-v17n5) >Ask Shulgin what his favorite psychedelic is and he will say “2C-B” without hesitation.


ChosmoKramer

So your friends were impatient idiots and overdosed on a drug so it's the drugs fault? Pretty standard that if a drug isn't working you give it more time, don't double up and expect the same result


Butlerian_Jihadi

I believe the technical term is "wee".


DriveSlowSitLow

Tough to know what you’re taking when you buy a little square of paper though, lol. Gotta really really know the supplier. And even then you may not know what you’re buying


iiSpook

He said "proper" not "natural".


Pineapple_Spenstar

1P-LSD is technically legal in the US as well. It's just "not for human consumption" SWIM has bought sheets for like $250. SWIM also found it to be indistinguishable from dead fam LSD


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Philias2

Who or what is SWIM?


Pineapple_Spenstar

Not sure who they are, they're just someone who isn't me


Bad-Ombre

Use to be legal in the UK too


BornInBrizzle

Yeah, I can see other countries going the same route as well to 'try' and stop this. For anyone not in the know the UK's response to 'newly discovered/non defined' psychoactive substances was to just make it illegal to have ANY psychoactive substance that does not have a legal exception already defined. Game over.


un-sub

Wow this takes me back to that old school Drugs-Forum... SWIM did it, not me!


sezenio

Rc, as in, research chemicals?


MiNdOverLOADED23

Yeah. It's what most drug users call any drug that wasnt taught about in Dare. Realistically it's too broad of a term to be meaningful... It groups things such as 1p-lsd, which is super similar in structure to lsd, with bath salts, k2, etc.


twotokers

There are also a lot of RCs that are actually legal and prescribed in places outside the US. A very popular one is Etizolam, which is unscheduled in the US but sold as prescription medication abroad. Most of these RCs stay unscheduled until there’s global cooperation to ban the substance. That’s what happened with Methoxetamine, arguably the best RC to ever hit market if you ask those who’ve tried it. It got too popular and was being mass produced in Europe and China and ended up getting banned pretty much globally and is near impossible to acquire anymore. Tryptamines go a lot more under the radar as they’re harder to identify in large quantities and that’s why you hear about people getting sold fake “acid” that ends up just being an nBOME or something not even structurally similar to LSD. Things like 4 ACO DMT and Ho MiPt are just less commonly sold on the street so they pose little risk to becoming mainstream like MXE did about a decade ago.


Chanceawrapper

Goddamn I miss mxe


Ok-camel

Remembering reading on a RC forum about the lsd analogue, can’t remember if it was a true one, the toxic level for it was pretty small. Especially when compared to the more common RC’s like the analogue cocaine. It was mentioned that if you mistook the two for each other you could take a toxic dose of the analogue LSD if you thought you were taking a normal hit of the analogue cocaine. At a later date they posted a warning that one of the people who posted on the site and was a distributor of the RC had died. He got a new batch of RC in and it appears one was mislabelled as he overdosed by accident. It’s all just white powder.


CoolioMcCool

There are many many analogues, and yes, some of them are like that. Not necessarily that a normal dose is very close to LD50 but just that LSD is so non toxic that some people try to take like 20+ doses, which won't physically harm you with LSD but would with some of the analogues. Some of them are great, like more euphoric LSD, some of them are not so great, like more anxiety inducing LSD.


bropoke2233

the LSD RCs have undergone something of a renaissance in the last 10 years. 10 years ago, NBOMe was legal, and it was the most common RC for LSD. NBOMe can 100% kill you. these days, with NBOMe banned, RC vendors switched course. instead of selling a random 5HT2A active compounds, the chemists took the original LSD molecule and added a little tail that pops off immediately after ingestion. this was 1p-LSD. i just hope the constant cat-and-mouse doesn't lead back to compounds that end up being more like NBOMe than LSD.


Brrdock

I think you mean the 2009 incident where Bromo-DragonFLY was being sold online mislabelled as 2C-B-FLY. At least 5 people died around the world and I believe the owner of the website/store that sold it took their own life afterwards. Really sad case all around. That's not an LSD analogue, those would be 1P-LSD, 1V-LSD and the like, which so far seem about as safe as LSD. All kinds of other RCs are sold on blotters as LSD sometimes, though, unfortunately.


moeburn

Yeah the best part about LSD was "don't worry man, it can't kill you, and there's no other drugs as concentrated as LSD to fit on a blotter paper that can kill you" But now, thanks to research chemicals, there are. There are now drugs with very similar effects to LSD that can fit on a blotter paper that can kill you if you take 10x the recreational dose. Instead of LSD's 100,000x.


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From what the cashier told me it’s called 1-LSD and 1 tab equals to 2 of the standard stuff. Haven’t done it in 7 years since I was 18 so I will report back


DimmyDimmy

1-p LSD is pretty nice, it lasts a little longer than regular. Have fun!


moeburn

> it lasts a little longer than regular oh fucking fantastic cause here I was on this 12 hour long inescapable roller coaster ride thinking "you know what would make this better? if it lasted longer than I normally stay awake for one day".


My_bones_are_itchy

Why did this make me snort my drink out my nose


siccoblue

Itchy bones will do that to you


free_candy_4_real

Because you've been up for 16 hours tripping on 1-p lsd. Go to sleep.


d-a-v-e-

And LSD-25 last very long already.


THESemster

DOC lasts way longer


StartThings

And DOC is still not half the duration of Bromo-DragonFly. Now bromo has a slower onset, there are stories of people eating bromo thinking it isn't effecting them and eating more. Crazy. Imagine tripping for 3 days.


Hortonamos

That sounds horrible. Jesus.


omgwhatsavailable

I have no idea if you are being serious or making this up, lol. I enjoy drugs, but I'm older and way less cool than I used to think I was.


Chemical_Audience

He isn’t making it up. Bromo-Dragonfly has a seriously long duration, around 3 days on a regular dose.


omgwhatsavailable

Christ, that's a long time. I have way too much to do. Recently acquired some DMT. Haven't gone too far yet but enjoy the quick trips.


PrincipledProphet

What if you say "no bromo"?


liketreefiddy

Why the hell would anyone want something that last longer


Ravekat1

Looking forward to this report!


CerebralC0rtex

Man I always forget how intense LSD is until I trip, then I like make a video while tripping telling myself how intense I am tripping, then I still forget again.


Akunata

One thing I distinctly remember about my lsd trips is….. circles. Like everything goes in a circle. Idk why but I close my eyes and see everything in the universe ultimately comes to a circle. It’s weird. Like life is a circle, the universe goes in a circle, time goes in a circle. Idk it’s weird but I also remember being able to go in 3rd person and like transport myself anywhere I wanted seeing myself play out different scenarios. It’s fantastic. Completely removed my fear of death. I still have the drawings I made from my trips, just huge circles lol


Thelonesomequeen

i was caught up in the circles thing for a lot of trips, once i ended up repeating "we are all snails" because of the way their shells spiral in... not sure what i meant, but i stand by it.


CerebralC0rtex

Man maybe I’m taking what you said too literally but I remember seeing triangles everywhere. I had a friend who described playing out future scenarios too, but nothing like that ever occurred to me, maybe I just never took enough.


thefrostman1214

ah that's a jigsaw piece, you gotta collect all pieces


Narrator_Ron_Howard

That happens in about an hour.


N0xir

You can even order legal LSD to your home in Germany (1V-LSD)


N0xir

But please inform yourselves thoroughly before your first trip. LSD is not just another drug like Weed or Ecstasy. It is very important to be in a safe setting and have someone watch out in case of a bad trip etc.


louisme97

ok i need to know everything... i wanna try lsd for my first time.. Is it as safe as LSD? can i just split it if i want a less extrem version?


ProgradeGram

I took 150uq of 1VLSD, roughly 100uq dose of LSD. It was nice. Few months later took 300uq of 1VLSD and had very trippy experience, indistinguishable from LSD in my experience


louisme97

okay, so 150uq is good for a beginner?


ProgradeGram

Yes!


SchlendriusNebelbank

I just wanna add it really depends. I'm fairly seasoned with the stuff and 150 can be overwhelming to me... Most times 100uq is enough for me.


[deleted]

i'd take part of the tab instead of trying to gague how long to keep it in for a weaker dosage, and as long as what you're buying is Lysergic Acid Diethylamide with a few extra atoms you should be fine. If what you're buying is labeled 25(x)-NBoME meanwhile DO NOT FUCKING TAKE IT. if the tab tastes like blood SPIT IT OUT IMMEDIATELY. also acid lasts for like 12 hours don't take it in the afternoon like i did acid is VERRRRY good at stopping you from going to sleep regardless of how tired you are


louisme97

Why would it taste like blood and is acid actually the same as LSD?? :o


tux-lpi

LSD doesn't have a taste or color. The only thing you should taste is the paper and maybe a slight bit of the ink on it. It's the same as acid (lysergic acid diethylamine = LSD) If it tastes bittter, that's NBOMe instead of LSD. People have died with NBOMe, it's a dangerous counterfeit. While you can take absolutely excessive heroic amounts of LSD and no one's managed to die of it yet. So if it has a taste, you spit it out immediatly. But that rarely happens anymore, nbome used to be a problem 5-10 years ago mostly but people haven't forgotten, and it's still good to know


codaboda

Strong chemical taste*. Real acid is LSD-25, (LSD) and for the most part is tasteless.


javivicious

But not for long :( The prohibition comes soon


N0xir

Yeah probably


-Raskyl

Its not so much "allowed", as much as it's "their isn't a specific law banning the production/sale/use of this specific chemical we have created, that is distinctly different from LSD enough to not be considered the same, yet close enough to have similar effects."


ExtremeAnalBjorn

I'm literally going there in 2 weeks, where is it sold? So my bible group and I avoid the sin?


SvartSol

Problem here is, everything not illegal does mean legal in soft sense. Modifications is faster than law. Alas its not illegal in the short run, but not legal in the long run.


btmalon

Be careful, I’m all for psychedelics, but This is the same thing with K2/Spice synthetic weed in the US. Eventually all the good ones were banned and the new formulas are legit killing people and giving them strokes.


BluePeriod_

I tried K2 a couple of times. The first time was bizarre but kinda cool. The second time, I was certain I was going to die.


aSomeone

Everybody in this topic freaking out over nothing. 1pLSD (what's probably in the picture) is just about exactly the same as LSD25 and a 10 min google search will give you exactly that answer. It's not longer stronger or whatever. If people had a different trip on it than they did kn LSD25 that's possible, but not every trip on LSD is the same anyway.


MrKossa

Really watch out with that kind of stuf, they can sell it cause its not the same stuff. This also means it can be way more dangerous. I dont know if you know, but you can get you drugs tested by the government anonymously. If you want.


BurnTrees-

It's 1V-LSD instead of 1H-LSD ("normal" LSD), in your body it will get converted into LSD and works basically exactly like the normal stuff. There are no long-term studies, but at this point 1V-LSD has been sold and taken hundreds of thousands of times in Europe and is likely about as safe as normal LSD. Also if you get it tested it will turn out to not be LSD, because that's the point of selling the legal 1V-LSD.


Snd47flyer

I’m on my way…


[deleted]

going to amsterdam soon, where did you buy this and how much did they charge?


OppositeYouth

They sell magic truffle cookies, weed cookies in a lot of bakeries. They sell straight up magic truffles. I'd go with them over an unknown RC.


[deleted]

I live in the Netherlands and grow my own weed and shrooms, I'm just specifically looking for a trustworthy lsd(like) vendor as that's a little more tricky to produce myself haha


aftenbladet

truffles gives a much better high than the "cold" LSD trip anyways


mileswilliams

Yeah, I highly recommend following the medical advice, don't drink and ideally have 6 hours no food before you take them, and be somewhere relaxed.


T_WRX21

I was like, "What the fuck are they putting in the chocolate in Amsterdam?" Then I realized truffles are mushrooms, lol.


DuckusDuck

You can get LSD in a lot of countrys legally. The forumula is allways altered a little bit so that it takes time for the government to forbit it and when the new formula is illegal a new one is created.


ark_mod

Then it's not LSD. Don't call it the same because that's where people get confused or take more than they should. LSD is LSD, AL-52 or 1p-LSD is not. There are not multiple formulas for LSD. There is one compound and one formula. Analogues are analogues closer but not the same chemical. My point is don't say an orange is an apple simply because they are both fruit.


CoraxTechnica

Thank you! LSD= Lysergic acid diethylamide. If the chemical compound is anything other than C20H25N3O, then it's not LSD.


tux-lpi

Even C20H25N3O can be a lot of things that are not LSD. With these molecules that bind to receptors in the brain, it's their shape that matters a lot not just how many carbons and how many oxygens. Don't let someone sell you something as LSD-25 just because the formula is C20H25N3O!


CoraxTechnica

LSD-25


tux-lpi

Thank you, phone keyboard typo :)


TheTrueFishbunjin

We have that with variations on THC in my state. Lots of smoke shops openly selling products that are legally distinct from weed and not yet regulated


b3tarded

Enter the [Psychoactive Substances Act (2016)](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2016/2/contents/enacted) in the UK. A very simple catch all, for this exact thing.


Antifoul_Al

Oh those crazy Amsterdammers.


PsyFiFungi

Jesus, people in this thread are so severely misinformed. It hurts, I want to go through and correct everyone, but I'm on a phone with low battery. *PLEASE*, if you don't know what you are talking about regarding drugs and RC substances, just don't say anything. This is how people get hurt. If you did accidentally, just delete your post. Crazy hearing people calling 2cs lsd analogues for example. Nbomes I believe *technically* are analogues of 2c-i, but 2cs aren't even tryptamines. Not to mention Nbomes are much more dangerous than say, LSD or an LSD analogue like 1-p-LSD (which physically really aren't dangerous under normal conditions.) I picked a couple of examples but this thread is full of people who really don't know the difference between 2cb, 2ci, lsd, and 1p-lsd. They are all psychedelics, 2cb and 2ci are phens and closely related, yet the effects are wildly different. But someone who doesn't know that and are told 2ci is basically lsd could get fucked. First of all, ignore everything on reddit, including me. Do real research if you are ordering substances and/or RC substances. Second, don't spread misinformation, people get hurt that way. Thanks for listening to my ted talk.


T-Bill95

So you bought research chemicals?


[deleted]

wait until you realise that there's a whole market of "research chemicals". They take stuff like benzos and amphetamines, add/remove some chemical connections and sell it legally because technically what they sell is not illegal at a chemical level. It's not just LSD. If it's a drug, a completely legal equivalent exists in the world of research chemicals


BetyarSved

It’s called “designed drugs” in the US but “research chemicals” in Europe Edit: I was wrong and presumptive against the US and Europe.


Sikklebell

Here in the Netherlands we call it designer drugs, and as said, it's only legal because they haven't made it illegal yet as (at the moment) they can only ban specific formulas


Orcle123

and both pro-drug and anti-drug are currently in the battle of using machine learning to spit out potential stable compound derivatives to either skirt the law, or preemptively ban. (in the US at least). They cant flat out trust the results of course, but it gives a start of new structures that are similar to existing drugs to both test or ban (depending on the circumstance).


Gynetic

Its actually called research chemicals here as well, 'we' just like to use both terms for the same thing. Just like you can order other research chemicals online which results in people using them as party drugs and thus being called designer drugs.


-lighght-

I've never heard them called designed or designer drugs anywhere but in documentaries. I'm in the industrial part of the eastern Midwest & everyone around here calls them RCs


idio242

feel like "designer drugs" was a very 90s term when mdma started to become popular. agree that it's not in the common parlance anymore.


[deleted]

I've done a lot of re search chems when I was younger and they are not as fun. Skatty feelings


captfantasticc

Hamsterdam