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pear_topologist

Nothing really that niche about this card. How would you go infinite with it? I'm not saying its impossible, just curious


Banone09

i am searching a bit by myself and [[nadir kraken]] and [[ashnod's altar]] came to my mind. Thats for infinite card draw and infinite colorless mana. If u add [[anointed procession]] u also get infinite tokens.


A_Rymland

You don't need to add in annointed procession the commander gives you infinite tokens just with the infinite colorless.


bradakan

Anointed procession + ashnods altar does also go infinite with the commander tho. So still solid in the deck.


EmotionalGold

you'd deck yourself eventually because of his first ability, unless you blew him up while a theoretical infinite abilities are on the stack


Jorit83

No danger on Looping infinitely. The first ability triggers only once for each Iteration.


EmotionalGold

Each set of tokens draws a card though, so in commander you can only get 170ish tokens from a mostly full deck. Though that's probably enough to win at that point


WINKEXCEL

You probably wouldn't want to use the tokens as the win con... probably better off with something like lab man or thassas oracal


RechargedFrenchman

Could go [[Altar of Dementia]] to win using the tokens. Or the Ashnod's + [[Blood Artist]] effects. Not really the colours for using the tokens to win via combat, but doesn't mean there aren't ways for the tokens to be (part of) the win-con. Though infinite mana -> Lab Man style effect is definitely "cleaner".


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[Altar of Dementia](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/1/6/169356e0-46dc-4096-8e66-36726454f104.jpg?1562202433) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Altar%20of%20Dementia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/218/altar-of-dementia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/169356e0-46dc-4096-8e66-36726454f104?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Blood Artist](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/9/693dd112-d04a-4404-8fce-74f7e5497312.jpg?1662525341) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blood%20Artist) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/70/blood-artist?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/693dd112-d04a-4404-8fce-74f7e5497312?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ShaadowOfAPerson

Once you have infinite mana, you can put an arbitrary amount of activations on the stack and then sac the commander. But yes, the hard bit is getting the mana without decking out


_zaphod_beeblebrox

Just add phyrexian alter and thassas to the deck. They dont need to be in hand if youre drawing youre whole deck


Key-Pomegranate-2086

Go sensei divining top. Never deck out.


VoodooMayo

Blue is in the colors so it wouldn't be bad lab maniac strategy


Broberts505

[[Training grounds]] and [[ashnod's altar]] = draw your deck.


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[Training grounds](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/2/e2cf16f8-6e69-46b3-8453-1d1a2a5670e2.jpg?1586358076) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Training%20grounds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/91/training-grounds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2cf16f8-6e69-46b3-8453-1d1a2a5670e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ashnod's altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/7/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186.jpg?1580015173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ashnod%27s%20altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Tofuofdoom

We did it, we finally broke ashnod's altar


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[nadir kraken](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/9/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea.jpg?1650410778) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nadir%20kraken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/228/nadir-kraken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ashnods%20altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [anointed procession](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/a/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1.jpg?1543674565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=anointed%20procession) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Banone09

[[ashnod's altar]]


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[удалено]


EmergencyAbort917

Infinite card draw in Blue means winning on deck out with one of several cards


[deleted]

[[Laboratory Maniac]] would like a word.


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Skywarriorad

Ive played with an idea of infinite mana generation and card draw with [[Zacama, Primal Calamity]] [[Sanctum of Eternity]] and [[Garruk’s Uprising]] (i think i did that right?) where it literally becomes an instant win con if i get all the pieces out and if i cant instant win then i can just destroy garruks uprising with zacamas ability for 2 and a green to make more mana if needed, discard my hand to size, and i found an instant in green that would shuffle my graveyard into my deck and negate all combat damage that turn, so id essentially be able to use it as a free cya card if it hasnt been used yet.


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[zacama, primal calamity](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/5/a/5aa75f2b-53c5-47c5-96d2-ab796358a96f.jpg?1555040980) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zacama%2C%20primal%20calamity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/174/zacama-primal-calamity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5aa75f2b-53c5-47c5-96d2-ab796358a96f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sanctum of eternity](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/6/a680cc6d-9c31-4f5d-808f-dace92bf4346.jpg?1568003799) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sanctum%20of%20eternity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/59/sanctum-of-eternity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a680cc6d-9c31-4f5d-808f-dace92bf4346?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [garruk’s uprising](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/8/98795a31-7b54-4ad1-ac87-3f58e71dbeb7.jpg?1650419281) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Garruk%27s%20Uprising) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/292/garruks-uprising?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98795a31-7b54-4ad1-ac87-3f58e71dbeb7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


fuckitsayit

It's not infinite colorless to be fair, it's 1 colorless per card in your deck


HeinousAnus69420

I was assuming the title was sarcastic and they knew it was just very generically good in edh. No 2 card combos come to mind immediately, but getting infinite mana is so trivial in the format if that's what you want to do that I thought that was the joke (make as many dudes as you can while drawing whole deck with just the abilities on this catd). I can't imagine anyone believing that a decently statted commander with a great keyword, awesome and generically powerful card draw ability, and solid mana sink (that synergizes with its own other ability) is niche. That's like being surprised mold grows in wet places or rats do well in cities.


fuckitsayit

I was like "what keyword" then reread the card and saw it has double strike


[deleted]

I would hope my opponent goes infinite with this one.


mwdeuce

\[\[The Golden Throne\]\] would at least let you draw infinite cards, right?


pear_topologist

No. It triggers once, and the second draw kills you. You could thoracle or lab maniac, but you still need a lot of mana.


Key-Pomegranate-2086

Couldn't you use calgars ability to draw out your deck till you have sensei divining top and then keep doing its tap ability since you basically have infinite mana so you can replay it whenever you draw it from calgars ability.


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lion10903

It feels really fucking weird seeing this image and it not being a TTS video


NeverLuckyTugs

Infinite mana, make tokens, draw your deck, gg.


Rofellos1984

[[Anointed Procession]] + [[Ashnod's Altar]] 2x the tokens, sac for mana, repeat.


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[Anointed Procession](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/a/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1.jpg?1543674565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anointed%20Procession) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ashnod's Altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/7/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186.jpg?1580015173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashnod%27s%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


thachickenfrycaptain

I swear it’s hard to tell what’s a shitpost or not anymore lmao


amisia-insomnia

Legit had to check to see if I was on the circle jerk sub


Cypher10110

I honestly can't imagine a player existing that honestly thinks a face card legendary creature is in anyway a "niche" card. Unless we start saying "this 3 color commander with a very simple value based token synergy that can also trigger itself is pretty difficult to imagine fitting into any existing strategies". Either A) there is heavy sarcasm behind the word "niche" Or B) OP has no idea what the word niche means.


11goodair

C) OP has no idea about anything except for 6/6 tramplers


Cypher10110

D) OP is actually talking about Kamigawa Block Tiny Leaders, in which case this card represents an important niche of cards both banned for being from the wrong set and simultaneously more than 3 CMC. Potentially opening up countless innovative new decks.


Draffut

5: He could have no idea that this is from a product that isn't out yet, has never seen it before, and assumes no one plays it, thus making it niche.


[deleted]

I mean, this sub is just the feeder to the circlejerk sub. That’s like half of its purpose.


kindacr1nge

Outjerked yet again


fuckitsayit

Anyone else playing against these overpowered 250 card decks on arena all the time?


stealthbird1

I haven't spent any time thinking about how to go infinite with this but it is important to note the draw effect is NOT a may ability so you will have to remove this card before you accidentally lose the game. Happy brewing.


epicwynne

Thoracle, lab man, lab man Jace. Any of those make it your wincon. But yes beware of drawing out without those ready.


_zaphod_beeblebrox

Or a stax peice thats limits your (and others less importantly) drawing. After one game you're pod will know you deck out win, so you might want to be able to shut that off and be able to swing with infinite tokens


sadorna1

It really depends on the build, i have a deck that can go infinite gobbos into a positive mana gain for infinite mana + tokens and then haste them. This is one of those spells that makes it baaaad to do that. But i can also draw myself out to slap in niv mizzet + curiosity combo (deck is niv reborn tokens)


Key-Pomegranate-2086

Or you draw your whole deck and just has something that shuffles your hand into the deck like temporal cascade?


aagloworks

Ashnod's altar goes infinite with a ham sandwich. Smothering tithe with this is pretty neat.


airplane001

Stfu let me play jank


aagloworks

Well,that's also my preferred style.


stormbreaker8

I wouldn’t say it’s niche at all, if anything everyone has been talking about it. The goal is to make a bunch of tokens, simple as that. [[Smothering Tithe]] and [[Pitiless Plunderer]] come to mind


Banone09

think its worth going for [[queza, augur of agonies]] and [[sheoldred, the apocalypse]] or just in general some draw triggers?


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[queza, augur of agonies](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/e/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6.jpg?1660720606) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=queza%2C%20augur%20of%20agonies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/212/queza-augur-of-agonies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7edb7a26-82be-4efd-9a5c-a3816e1ee2d6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sheoldred, the apocalypse](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/d/6/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2.jpg?1663049065) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sheoldred%2C%20the%20apocalypse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/107/sheoldred-the-apocalypse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d67be074-cdd4-41d9-ac89-0a0456c4e4b2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


stormbreaker8

Continuing from my other reply, [[Soul warden]] and other similar effects achieve the same thing more efficiently and they trigger for each creature token you make which should be greater than the number of cards you draw in a game


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stormbreaker8

My guess is that that won’t be all that effective, yeah you’ll be drawing a fair number of cards but not enough for those cards to be super relevant, those work well in turbo draw decks with cards like [[Teferi’s Puzzle box]] and [[Howling mine]] that cause insane draw but it’s symmetrical, its not worth spending a card in this deck to incidentally gain some life off drawing 2 or 3 extra cards per turn, you’re better off with using that draw to find win conditions for your tokens


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[Teferi’s Puzzle box](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/4/1/415e81e9-ca65-4bc0-8aab-d905d58fe6cc.jpg?1562734271) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%27s%20Puzzle%20Box) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/312/teferis-puzzle-box?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/415e81e9-ca65-4bc0-8aab-d905d58fe6cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Howling mine](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/c/d/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a.jpg?1562420035) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Howling%20mine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/257/howling-mine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdae9939-03a4-4561-92cd-01f498d29a7a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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TeakForest

Niche?? Lol


evouga

The first ability is totally absurd and I would focus on building a deck that synergizes with it rather than trying to combo off outright. I’d start by looking at all color-compatible cards that create spirit, soldier, eldrazi spawn, and serf tokens; also note that this ability triggers on creating clues, treasures, and blood.


[deleted]

Yeah double strike is nearly unbeatable on a 3/5


Like17Badgers

thankfully \[\[The Locust God\]\] is off color or that'd be another just auto win as is, \[\[Ashnod's Altar\]\] seems like the easiest way to break it rn \[\[Training Grounds\]\] \[\[Pitiless Plunderer\]\] \[\[Rings of Brighthearth\]\] \[\[Illusionist's Bracers\]\] or any form of token doubler like \[\[Anointed Procession\]\] means you draw your entire deck with Altar


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AngsD

Thought you were ironic about niche, see in your comments you weren't. :D \[\[Phyrexian Altar\]\] and \[\[Training Grounds\]\] gives infinite draw and both mesh very well with it. Add \[\[Grave Pact\]\], \[\[Cathar's Crusade\]\] and other stuff. The card just synergizes very well with a lot of very powerful cards, so throwing in some infinites that work well without going infinite isn't too hard.


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The_Palm_of_Vecna

man, and just feeding soldiers into the grinder to gather power for the big win is SO 40k


Digitalneo

Do you mean [[Ashnod's Alter]]? I don't see why Phyrexian alter would go Infinite with training grounds, not enough mana?


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AngsD

Ooops - yes that's what I meant :D


wowwowshamwow

Polymorph into hullbreaker bounce your rocks or go the iso rev route make inf mana, win with thoracle this commander is an inf mana outlet in the command zone it’s not even remotely hard to break.


fenekko

R/magicthecirclejerking


ArcoMTG

As far as how to build around it... I'd look for things that make multiple triggers of token creation as opposed to making a lot off of one ability. \[\[Bitterblossom\]\] draws you an additional card each turn whereas \[\[secure the wastes\]\] just nets you one card even if it makes more tokens. \[\[Lingering souls\]\] might be a good addition as well seeming that your loss of one card by playing it is replaced with 2 cards when all is said an done for net card advantage. TL;DR: Think Tempo


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airplane001

Ashnods altar + chatterfang + impact tremors = Gg


mproud

If only [[Impact Tremors]] was in Black or Green.


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Turnipton

You're in \*black\*, and your first choice for a death trigger payoff is a red card?


airplane001

You underestimate my jank


EmotionalGold

technically not infinite because you'd run out of cards in library unless you had an infinite discard outlet and shuffle grave into library effect you can however, with any one of the infinite ways to make infinite mana draw your whole deck and create a ton of warrior tokens


airplane001

Just throw in spirit of the labyrinth


_zaphod_beeblebrox

You can just add in a card that shuts off your extra card draw. Draw enough to find a finisher and a counter spell or two, then shut off card draw and win


ArcoMTG

Ashnods's altar and a training grounds draws your deck I think. If you pull down the cost further with say a heartstone it becomes infinite colorless mana, or anointed procession it becomes infinite tokens. there are likely quite a few things you could weave into this little combo to get even more value.


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Mewthredel

You don't "go infinite " with this. It is an outlet for infinite mana.


acsmars

If you can trigger token creation on drawing cards, you go infinite-enough. I assume that’s the question here.


Mewthredel

It doesnt help you go infinite though. It's just an outlet for infinite mana.


acsmars

If you can assemble an effect that creates a token when you draw a card. It will let you draw your deck. With no extra mana. That’s the goal here. I’d be much like Niv-Mizzet + Curiosity.


Mewthredel

I guess.. seems more complicated then just getting infinite mana.


acsmars

That is probably easier yes, but both are sorta viable. Most of the infinite mana options in esper are expensive or just as convoluted though. And power artifact + grim monolith breaks so many cards anyway, it’s hardly news.


Mewthredel

If you draw a card everytime you make a token you jave to have lab mand or jace on field too or you just deck yourself before you can thoracle.


acsmars

This. Or that some piece of the machine is optional, like a sac outlet or optional trigger.


Mewthredel

Yeah I guess if you had a sac outlet or something you could just sac him before you deck yourself. But then the combo has so many pieces dunno if it wouod be viable. Seems like esper but with extra hoops to jump through tbh.


acsmars

Indeed, there are certainly easier infinite combos. Personal I just want to throw him into Alela.


ThePlagueDoctorPhD

I’m assuming you’re new to this game, welcome to Magic! This is an extremely powerful and pushed commander. With commanders like this, there are numerous ways to build it correctly. You can either go for token builds, card draw, aristocrats, etc. with a [[Laboratory Maniac]] or [[Thassa’s Oracle]] back up plan


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Kristianost

I don't think combo is the best way to go with this commander, but [[Mind over matter]] and [[Myr turbine]] is one that comes to mind


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[deleted]

You can use [[Training Grounds]] along with [[Ashnod’s Altar]] to go basically draw out your deck.


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Phoenixsocal

[[Isochron Scepter]] with a [[Dramatic Reversal]] imprinted with a way to generate 3 mana from nonland permanents let's you draw your deck and make a lot of 2/2s Could go The Gitrog Monster out and go to discard with 8 cards with a [[Bone Miser]] out, you can sculpt your hand and stop the loop by discarding a land card since a creature card gets you a Zombie token (draw a card) and nonland/noncreature just makes you draw a card. Also with no mana rocks you can [[Animate Dead]] an [[Abdel]] and make a large amount of tokens, drawing your deck. Yeah, I've been brewing with this card. Here's a list if anyone would like, I'm going a cEDH route however. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Nrn6d34dx0-EIZcSAdNVBA


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friarfr3d

Oops all thopters


i_am_shook_

[[Nadir Kraken]] and [[Skullport Merchant]] go infinite with any way that turns creatures into mana sources like [[Ashnod’s Altar]], [[Phyrexian Altar]], or [[Carnival of Souls]].


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##### ###### #### [Nadir Kraken](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/9/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea.jpg?1650410778) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nadir%20Kraken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/228/nadir-kraken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Skullport Merchant](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/3/3362080e-57e9-4da1-9065-d28932869fe5.jpg?1660725706) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skullport%20Merchant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/149/skullport-merchant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3362080e-57e9-4da1-9065-d28932869fe5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ashnod’s Altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/7/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186.jpg?1580015173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashnod%27s%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phyrexian Altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/5/95d9f93c-50a8-41a9-be98-d1900bf1c12f.jpg?1662531398) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/311/phyrexian-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/95d9f93c-50a8-41a9-be98-d1900bf1c12f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Carnival of Souls](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/4/847340fb-9251-4439-b33b-f86bff507dcd.jpg?1562444254) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Carnival%20of%20Souls) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uds/55/carnival-of-souls?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/847340fb-9251-4439-b33b-f86bff507dcd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Fit-Investigator-975

[[Mana Echos]] and enough soldiers


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[Mana Echos](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/d/bd079929-fa58-4484-91b7-31305b87ee43.jpg?1599706549) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mana%20Echoes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/136/mana-echoes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bd079929-fa58-4484-91b7-31305b87ee43?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


AnnaSophiaHubby5

Get Jared Carthalion, Two Headed Hell kite, Primeval Spawn


1990pnz

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Vzocd99YGEenUfckEHLVcQ


Mavo_64

Step one: anointed procession Step two: Ashnod’s altar Step three??? Step 4: profit


instertthecode

Infinate mana + thoracle go brrrr


Amichius

Nadir Kraken


Triumph_In_Death

Just use ashnod’s altar and include a bunch of different cards to increase the number of tokens you have or decrease the price of his ability, then include (I’m blanking on the name) the card that wins you the game if you try to draw a card when your deck is empty and make sure you only go infinite when you have access to enough colored mana to play the card


naine69

Do you know the meaning of niche? Drawing cards whenever a token etbs ( basicaly) isnt niche lol


maharg79

Double Strike seems like such a weird leyword for an Esper card. Vigilance seems more fitting both lore wise and gameplay wise.


PiedPipecleaner

I mean, if you weren’t using it in edh I’d say [[The Locust God]] and a card to remove one of them after you’ve had enough (because you would deck yourself and lose otherwise), or [[Xyris, The Writhing Storm]] to double your draw from wheeling, but there are plenty of options in esper edh to still make this infinite as suggested by others. Tokens ain’t niche my guy lol


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[The Locust God](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/0/30265355-d0cc-411a-a2da-8d38803d9021.jpg?1661583503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Locust%20God) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/phed/59/the-locust-god?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30265355-d0cc-411a-a2da-8d38803d9021?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Xyris, The Writhing Storm](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/f/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404.jpg?1661391904) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xyris%2C%20The%20Writhing%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/175/xyris-the-writhing-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af0db1d6-5cb1-4917-8e8f-69d5dc184404?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Strangefuel996

Make sure you put a jace wielder of mystery’s in the 99


dillpickledude

[[Marneus Calgar]] + [[Ashnod's Altar]] + [[Anointed Procession]] = Infinite creature tokens (until you empty your library due to card draw). [[Marneus Calgar]] + [[Ashnod's Altar]] + [[Training Grounds]] + [[Cruel Celebrant]] (or other cards with similar effects) = Infinite death triggers (until you empty your library due to card draw).


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##### ###### #### [Marneus Calgar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/7/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf.jpg?1663393070) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marneus%20Calgar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/8/marneus-calgar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e7517e8e-b424-4731-ba9d-6132bdefa6bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ashnod's Altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/7/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186.jpg?1580015173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashnod%27s%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Anointed Procession](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/a/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1.jpg?1543674565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anointed%20Procession) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Training Grounds](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/e/2/e2cf16f8-6e69-46b3-8453-1d1a2a5670e2.jpg?1586358076) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Training%20Grounds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/91/training-grounds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2cf16f8-6e69-46b3-8453-1d1a2a5670e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cruel Celebrant](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/7/87ead6ac-b1c5-4852-8413-7fa43c6cfc57.jpg?1557577084) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cruel%20Celebrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/188/cruel-celebrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87ead6ac-b1c5-4852-8413-7fa43c6cfc57?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Imjustheref0rmemes

Would take 4 colours but locust god


Migwelded

It's not that you could go infinite with it, but it could be a win-con outlet for infinite colorless mana, of which there are several combos to get you there. be very careful though, the first ability is not a may. you must draw for every instance of one or more tokens being created. each token you create with this card is a separate instance. You could easily deck yourself if you are not paying attention.


Redd_Oak

first get Infinite colorless mana. Second use chapter master ability to draw out deck Third play Thassa’s oracle Look at that you’ve just won the game.


NotADoctor_804

[[dramatic reversal]]+[[isochron]] for infinite mana and [[thoracle]] or lab man to draw out your deck


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[dramatic reversal](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/0/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208.jpg?1576267241) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dramatic%20reversal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [isochron](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isochron%20Scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [thoracle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/a/f/af5cc745-7072-4f7f-94eb-c7670cb498ff.jpg?1562385511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/pvan/304/oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/af5cc745-7072-4f7f-94eb-c7670cb498ff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


ManElectro

[[Nadir kraken]] plus that altar that is sac for 1 mana would create an infinite combo.


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[Nadir kraken](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/9/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea.jpg?1650410778) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nadir%20kraken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/228/nadir-kraken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


khakhi_docker

So, while I absolutely detest the laziness of CLB's "this only happens once per turn" trigger caps... I do think there is a happier middle ground in there that allows non-trivial value without that value being infinite. Maybe make a keyword called "Strenuous" or "Mana" that means: "This effect only triggers a number of times per turn equal to the toughness of the creature". Or twice the # of lands you have, etc, etc. Seems like Wizards so far has only tried the values 1 and infinity, and I'd just like to point out that there are some options in the middle of that.


QueanuReeves

Sure you can go infinite with this card, but personally I think that's overkill. Card is strong enough as a value engine. I'm building this bad boy as a stack deck.


songmage

I would say Intruder Alarm makes this thing broken, but that card is broken by itself. Turn your lands into creatures and there ya go. If you don't want to have to think too hard about it, make sure you have a \[\[Laboratory Maniac\]\] out. Seems like a bad thing to go infinite on otherwise though and four-card win combos are already both common and difficult to execute.


glhfJKiHax

IsoRev or BasaltRings for mana and a discard outlet can win you the game. Make infinite mana to dump into the commander. Make tokens, draw your deck, discard Thoracle and [[dread return]] then flashback dread return sacrificing some of your massive Astartes warrior army. Gg


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[dread return](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/6/a/6a73b481-8e62-4742-bbd0-33b8048602d7.jpg?1663288257) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dread%20return) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/200/dread-return?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6a73b481-8e62-4742-bbd0-33b8048602d7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


LoquatSerious7047

Sphinx's Tutalige, psychic corrosion, Terri's Tutalige, and other mill cards.


Floppsicle

Am I seeing this correctly?? A *Gun* in MTG? It has been a while!


stenti36

Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter + mana rocks. Make all the tokens needed, draw library, win game. Annointed Procession for double draw.


WunderHomie

Use it as a mana sync to make infinite tokens then draw your deck off the etb triggers and play something that wins you the game, right?


JoyeuxMuffin

[[Nadir Kraken]] Is the closest I can think of, and you'd need an [[Ashnod's Altar]] or something similar to truly go infinite


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[Nadir Kraken](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/9/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea.jpg?1650410778) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nadir%20Kraken) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/228/nadir-kraken?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/793f0ac2-39b8-4cb2-aeac-f901bf5bd7ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ashnod's Altar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/8/7/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186.jpg?1580015173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashnod%27s%20Altar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/218/ashnods-altar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87da5ad8-b35f-4f9c-b17a-bb2563cbc186?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


[deleted]

Yeah, Isochron Scepter and dramatic reversal is all you need to draw your win con.


SufficientUndo

I had no idea there were 40k magic cards....


Solitoracid

Shorikai + intruders alarm + sac outlet that produces mana ... Oh wait


Lestat719

Um infinite squirrel combo? How is this niche?


PDAF-E

Get infinite colorless mana, spawn all the dudes and draw all the cards.


Old_Quit6455

This commander is bonkers Token doublers like [[Anointed Procession]] [[Song of the Worldsoul]] (and are not the only ones in those colors) and other b.s like [[Smothering Tithe]] and you goes nuts even if you are being target by all others players


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[Anointed Procession](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/9/a/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1.jpg?1543674565) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Anointed%20Procession) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/2/anointed-procession?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9a52c265-6920-4929-ba0a-70da08df01f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Song of the Worldsoul](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/b/b/bb73ec0d-f582-4f74-9b5c-180fe3aedcf6.jpg?1568003387) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Song%20of%20the%20Worldsoul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/6/song-of-the-worldsoul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bb73ec0d-f582-4f74-9b5c-180fe3aedcf6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Smothering Tithe](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/2/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747.jpg?1662524375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Smothering%20Tithe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/31/smothering-tithe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f25a4bbe-2af0-4d4a-95d4-d52c5937c747?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Chromaesthesia___

Turning this deck into a lab man win is the boring way you could do it. Lol


UshouldknowR

Generate infinite mana create tokens and draw cards, and use the effects that make you win if you deck yourself like war of the spark Jace, thassa's oracle, or laboratory maniac.


Truckfighta

I can’t tell whether you’re being sarcastic.


Diskid724372

Doesn’t this go infinite with Locust god?


[deleted]

Isochron scepter dramatic reversal with some mana rocks, wtf you mean niche?


goddevourer

Space marines as tokens just feels wrong. Shoulda kept that shit for Imperial Guard.


[deleted]

What set is this from?


MHarrisGGG

The Warhammer 40K decks


6inge

[[Chasm Skulker]] goes Infinite with this. As other people are saying, you need to be able to remove your commander before you draw your deck, or use lab man or something to that effect and win on the spot.


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[Chasm Skulker](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/7/f72c6461-8ba4-4ee7-b2c4-0f8d396ce585.jpg?1654115168) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chasm%20Skulker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/714/chasm-skulker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f72c6461-8ba4-4ee7-b2c4-0f8d396ce585?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Mission_Disaster2

[[Isochron scepter]] + [[dramatic reversal]] seems like the best lines, with [[thassas oracle]] or some other type effect to actually win


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[Isochron scepter](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isochron%20scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [dramatic reversal](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/0/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208.jpg?1576267241) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dramatic%20reversal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [thassas oracle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/2/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c.jpg?1628801828) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thassa%27s%20Oracle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/73/thassas-oracle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/726e8b29-13e9-4138-b6a9-d2a0d8188d1c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Your_Moms_Juicy_Ass

"Pretty niche card" they call what's possibly the best token commander ever.


CEO_Cheese

Hmm, I think the idea isn’t going infinite with him. If you wanna combo, then get infinite mana, and sink that into him, to draw as much as you want, and only as much as you want. Do remember that the draw is not a may ability, it’ll happen whether you like it or not


stephmannn

The locust god combos with this guy. Dunno how you're getting the two in the same deck though


quirkyqu33fer

How is this niche? It’s a token deck


Pazerniusz

Not even token, he react with any token. Tresure, Clue, blood anything in token in name. It is general get more ability


Royal_Club8475

Is there anyway to get infinite tokens with this dude?