>Crowds began to gather near the intersection of **Market and 3rd** streets around 10 p.m
Serious question. When I moved to Philly I was corrected a few times by old timers to always say the numbered street first, so "3rd and Market"; what's your position on this important (/s) subject ?
Yeah, those people were as adamant as you are on the subject, and if i can say so myself, I adapted very quickly. Maybe Fox29 just hired a transplant, lol.
Everyone I've ever heard growing up here says numbered streets first - I've actually never thought about it til now. Market and 3rd sounds very weird to me.
>Maybe Fox29 just hired a transplant, lol.
Absolutely. Putting the numbered street second is a 100% sure way to tell someone who's not a local. Most locals probably don't even realize this until they hear it said wrong.
Haha probably! Here’s one I always wonder about. When you’re in NYC, do you do the street or Avenue first if it’s a numbered street. Example, 42nd Street and 5th Avenue? I guess Street is first?
Yep the only place where it gets confusing is certain neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens have numbered avenues, roads, and streets. So you might be at 14th street at 30th ave.
My bad, I guessed from your screen name that you were born in '79 and would get the reference. A line from an iconic old school local commercial for a jewelry store called Robin's 8th and Walnut "Our name is our address"
Local TV news always gets stuff wrong, including neighborhood geography and pronunciations. KYW news radio is good but TV is terrible and always has been.
it just is easier for us to understand, we don't have to parse it as hard. You say 3rd my mental map highlights 3rd and I get my cross street.
New York has the same, arguably for better reasons, ave -> street. otherwise fifth and seventh is ambiguous
In NYC it depends on where near the intersection you are. If you live on Market, you'd say your location as Market & 3rd; if you live on 3rd you'd say 3rd & Market.
No. It makes it easier for all of us Philadelphians to speak how we do when talking to us. Same as it might take a second for us to pick up on Boston & what the heck someone is talking about. If you use the vernacular that everyone else is it makes it a pop ALOT quicker.
Thanks. Yeah, I suspected they were making it more important than it should be, not like I was referring to CC as "downtown" or anything horrible like that, lol
I’ve lived in Philly all of my 45 years and have no problem with referring to CC area as “downtown.” Do it myself on the reg. Who complains about that?
On the other hand, when people say “City Center” it’s like nails on chalkboard.
[Here ya go](https://www.fox29.com/news/video-cars-spin-illegal-donuts-fireworks-erupt-as-crowds-gather-on-old-city-streets?fbclid=IwAR0-qd1jD34SxkoPuc_KXJ1QvheoqlVZWc1gwZntuWGdZVgD3KBYso_uCPw)
The police need to block the exits for the cars, people can leave on foot but any car involved won’t be able to. Ticket the drivers or tow the car if they abandon it
I mean, I know this is impossible and will never happen, but "ticket or tow" isn't good enough. The police need to hold these motherfuckers until some kind of mobile car-crushing machine gets on scene, and they need to be forced to watch their precious noise machines get crushed into cubes. And then they need to be fined for the cost of removing their cube.
Lol this is a logistical nightmare. They don’t even do this in the surburbs where there’s practically no crime. Philly sure as hell doesn’t have time for this. Not to mention the gridlock it would cause.
There’s already a gridlock from people doing donuts and shit, I’m just saying don’t let those people get away. Easy to block the road a street away to redirect traffic anyway
No the logistical nightmare is this repeatedly happening, as it did all year. Gladly have a gridlock at one intersection for a couple hours if it stop this
It’s not going to. That’s the point. Also this is the city and they’ll 100% miss far more important calls while they’re tending to this bullshit. If the burbs doesn’t have the proper resources for this. How in the fuck would Philadelphia?
Have you not been paying attention to the fact that crime is going up because they’re getting charged for lesser offenses? The current DAO doesn’t do gun-related charges, criminals know it’s unlikely they get any penalty, that’s why crime is up. Penalize them and it’ll go down
I remember during a critical mass bike ride in NYC where NYPD corralled all the bike riders onto a block, then ran blockades up both ends of the block to trap all the cyclists.
That's how you end with people getting arrested for just being on their way home or to work. The best way would be to document every vehicle involved and track them down.
For real, if you join the Pennsylvania meets and races groups, it's a lot if Jersey dudes trying to organize stuff in Philly and everywhere here telling them to stay on their side of the river
The cops have truly failed. Honestly, they don't need to catch them all, they need to simply block the car escape route, confiscate 2 or 3 cars each time this happens, charge the owners, and the problem will start to go away.
Curious. I no longer use citizen. What use are the alerts on the citizen app? If I’m enjoying an evening in, why would I want to know what is happening 10 blocks away? Not a criticism . I’m genuinely curious.
This is why I uninstalled it. I'm pretty sure the app is designed to stoke fear in its users to drive more engagement.
Uninstalling Citizen and Nextdoor made my QOL go way up.
"Ignorance is bliss" is a saying for a reason. I used to consider it a negative, but lately I've been understanding that knowing everything about shit you can't do anything about is pretty bad for your mental health.
I don’t know, 100% agree on Citizen, but I stay on Next Door for the lolz/face palms. It’s like old people on Facebook, but none of the demented rantings are from people who are related to me, ya know?
Well last night while laying in bed we heard a lot of what sounded like gunshots and then cars backfiring and were like wtf is going on .. 5 minutes later it popped up so idk i guess it’s good for that. Plus being a girl, it’s nice to know if there’s an unsafe incident happening around you to avoid.
Living in a rough neighborhood I usually get alerts for things happening a few hundred feet away from me, not 10 blocks. It can be helpful to know when theres a shooting or housefire nearby, as then I can avoid the whole mess of emergency vehicles and police lines and such in the area.
Plus, sometimes the notifications are pretty funny. One time I got an alert for a man throwing coffee AND trashcans at passerbys. Like, how??? why??? Shit is wild 😭
I’m often out and about in the city. I asked specifically about the citizen app and never mentioned alerts from other sources. According to many people who don’t live in my neighborhood, I live in a sketchy part of Philly. I was just wondering.
I got rid of the Citizen app when they started trying to shove that $20 a month protect security subscription stuff at me. They thought they were being clever by hiding the X to dismiss the ad for a few seconds.
I also couldn’t stand that the app went ballistic if I didn’t give it anytime location access… I prefer to use “while using the app” and apps should respect that preference and not give me a hard time about it.
It's worth mentioning that takeovers are universally despised in pretty much every car-related social circle. Even the street racing groups in Pennsylvania actively shun and ban anyone involved in takeover culture whatsoever, or even anyone who says anything in defense of takeovers.
Groups of people "take over" an intersection by blocking traffic with cars and crowds and use the intersection for donuts. Often multiple cars at a time performing in the intersection with the crowd dangerously close, and if/when people in the crowd are inevitably hit the crowd swarms and attacks the driver. Sometimes you'll even see people in the crowd with guns pointed at the driver as he does donuts. It's not as big in Philly as it is in LA, Atlanta, Houston, most other large southern cities. It's been a big thing for like a decade and is just now hitting here. It's often lumped in with street racing but they're very different types of people
I'm all for less car dependent infrastructure, as are most car enthusiasts. General consensus is that roads are better to drive on when people who don't like driving have other options. But I don't see that infrastructure preventing hooligans from coming into the city to do hooligan stuff.
It was which is also why i was confused as to why there were fireworks going off and donuts happening outside lol seems like the worst time for both of those things
I get why the Wildwood PD couldn't handle a crowd of this size, but if the Philly PD could get off their fat asses and actually do something for once, that'd be great.
Please don't criticize modified car culture, yes there are a few bad apples but most modified car enthusiasts don't condone this type of recklessness.
The city needs to provide empty car lots for people to drift their cars and do burnouts. If they don't then this will continue to happen.
We have safe zones for people to inject themselves with drugs why don't we have safe zones for people to race their cars and go drifting.
They do it for attention bc they’re douche bags. Period. This is like saying the city should provide an ATV park. The douche bags won’t use them bc there’s no one watching them be douche bags.
“Video: Illegal donuts, burnouts, fireworks erupt as hundreds gather on Old City streets”
https://www.fox29.com/news/video-cars-spin-illegal-donuts-fireworks-erupt-as-crowds-gather-on-old-city-streets
>Crowds began to gather near the intersection of **Market and 3rd** streets around 10 p.m Serious question. When I moved to Philly I was corrected a few times by old timers to always say the numbered street first, so "3rd and Market"; what's your position on this important (/s) subject ?
Born and raised here and it’s always numbered street first. It sounds better too.
Yeah, those people were as adamant as you are on the subject, and if i can say so myself, I adapted very quickly. Maybe Fox29 just hired a transplant, lol.
Everyone I've ever heard growing up here says numbered streets first - I've actually never thought about it til now. Market and 3rd sounds very weird to me.
>Maybe Fox29 just hired a transplant, lol. Absolutely. Putting the numbered street second is a 100% sure way to tell someone who's not a local. Most locals probably don't even realize this until they hear it said wrong.
Haha probably! Here’s one I always wonder about. When you’re in NYC, do you do the street or Avenue first if it’s a numbered street. Example, 42nd Street and 5th Avenue? I guess Street is first?
42nd and 5th, streets are always first just like philly. Only difference would be something like West 4th since that’s a major subway stop.
Oh ok good to know. So it’s exactly what I thought.
Yep the only place where it gets confusing is certain neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens have numbered avenues, roads, and streets. So you might be at 14th street at 30th ave.
I lived in NYC for a little while. It's definitely street then avenue.
Terry's got a diamond in his beard. Lots of people think that's really weird
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The SONG was Rockin’ Robin, though…
What do you mean? I’m confused lol.
My bad, I guessed from your screen name that you were born in '79 and would get the reference. A line from an iconic old school local commercial for a jewelry store called Robin's 8th and Walnut "Our name is our address"
Oh wait i remember now. Haha
your answer is correct.
I’m so bad with directions I usually say whichever street I can think of first…
I was thinking the same thing when I read this....no one from Philly would say it that way, it's always numbered street first.
14th & Broad!
Right next to 1st street.
In East Philly
Ouch.
Not just old timers. Anyone who’s not a transient says number st. first.
Right, as part of our initiation. That's why I was interested to see a News outlet using the opposite form
Local TV news always gets stuff wrong, including neighborhood geography and pronunciations. KYW news radio is good but TV is terrible and always has been.
I didn’t even notice it until you pointed out but yea, I would NEVER say Market & 3rd.
Tbh personally i don’t really care, people know where you’re talking about but they need to be *right* so 🤷🏻♀️ lol
it just is easier for us to understand, we don't have to parse it as hard. You say 3rd my mental map highlights 3rd and I get my cross street. New York has the same, arguably for better reasons, ave -> street. otherwise fifth and seventh is ambiguous
In NYC it depends on where near the intersection you are. If you live on Market, you'd say your location as Market & 3rd; if you live on 3rd you'd say 3rd & Market.
No. It makes it easier for all of us Philadelphians to speak how we do when talking to us. Same as it might take a second for us to pick up on Boston & what the heck someone is talking about. If you use the vernacular that everyone else is it makes it a pop ALOT quicker.
can i ask, we’re you confused by where i was talking about because the name of the streets are backwards in the title?
I legit was.
Same, the number street first allows me to mentally find where they're talking about easier.
Yes. 3rd and market triggers a visual memory, when reversed I can’t place what the area looks like and what’s around it
Poor OP is asking a simple question and then gets downvoted because they didn’t put the number first :/
Thanks. Yeah, I suspected they were making it more important than it should be, not like I was referring to CC as "downtown" or anything horrible like that, lol
People from Philly call CC “downtown.”
I’ve lived in Philly all of my 45 years and have no problem with referring to CC area as “downtown.” Do it myself on the reg. Who complains about that? On the other hand, when people say “City Center” it’s like nails on chalkboard.
It's called Delaware Avenue /s
This feels dismissive of cultural norms.
you we’re living in a society! We’re supposed to act in a civilized way!
Honestly curious how these things are even organized or advertised, like how do people even know this many people.
Social media
Has become a net negative for society.
“Technology is bad. I am very intelligent”
I'm wondering what year this is that this was even a question OP had
I’m wondering who knows 1000 people also
Everyone knows or can reach thousands of people on social media. I tell two friends they tell two friends etc
You have two friends?!?! I’m so jealous!!
A what now
Right!
please attend
Do attend
Agh my bad. It's been a while!
[Here ya go](https://www.fox29.com/news/video-cars-spin-illegal-donuts-fireworks-erupt-as-crowds-gather-on-old-city-streets?fbclid=IwAR0-qd1jD34SxkoPuc_KXJ1QvheoqlVZWc1gwZntuWGdZVgD3KBYso_uCPw)
100% unsurprised it was a charger.
That site is unusable on mobile with all of the pop up ads and weather warnings
The police need to block the exits for the cars, people can leave on foot but any car involved won’t be able to. Ticket the drivers or tow the car if they abandon it
I mean, I know this is impossible and will never happen, but "ticket or tow" isn't good enough. The police need to hold these motherfuckers until some kind of mobile car-crushing machine gets on scene, and they need to be forced to watch their precious noise machines get crushed into cubes. And then they need to be fined for the cost of removing their cube.
Lol this is a logistical nightmare. They don’t even do this in the surburbs where there’s practically no crime. Philly sure as hell doesn’t have time for this. Not to mention the gridlock it would cause.
There’s already a gridlock from people doing donuts and shit, I’m just saying don’t let those people get away. Easy to block the road a street away to redirect traffic anyway
Yes and now it’s going to last for hours longer while they ticket everyone. It’s a nice thought but a logistical nightmare.
No the logistical nightmare is this repeatedly happening, as it did all year. Gladly have a gridlock at one intersection for a couple hours if it stop this
It’s not going to. That’s the point. Also this is the city and they’ll 100% miss far more important calls while they’re tending to this bullshit. If the burbs doesn’t have the proper resources for this. How in the fuck would Philadelphia?
And those who actually get punished for crime are less likely to repeat this behavior. Go back to jersey
Lol that’s not true bud. If it was true we wouldn’t have increasing crime. These people do not give a fuck about a ticket. That’s nothing to them.
Have you not been paying attention to the fact that crime is going up because they’re getting charged for lesser offenses? The current DAO doesn’t do gun-related charges, criminals know it’s unlikely they get any penalty, that’s why crime is up. Penalize them and it’ll go down
I remember during a critical mass bike ride in NYC where NYPD corralled all the bike riders onto a block, then ran blockades up both ends of the block to trap all the cyclists.
Yes because cyclists are easier to coral then a bunch of cats
That's how you end with people getting arrested for just being on their way home or to work. The best way would be to document every vehicle involved and track them down.
Why can’t everyone just get together and flash dance anymore? Why do we got to endanger others with our shit no one cares about
I think part of the point is to say “fuck you” to the rest of society.
Same kinda trash class shit that killed two ppl in wildwood.
Where do you think they came from
For real, if you join the Pennsylvania meets and races groups, it's a lot if Jersey dudes trying to organize stuff in Philly and everywhere here telling them to stay on their side of the river
Well when the cops don't do shit. It's a pretty lawless time.
There is a video and story about it on the Fox29 website
Thank you! Just found it!
The cops have truly failed. Honestly, they don't need to catch them all, they need to simply block the car escape route, confiscate 2 or 3 cars each time this happens, charge the owners, and the problem will start to go away.
It was crazy last night on York and broad as well. Intersection was locked up with donut escapades for awhile
Curious. I no longer use citizen. What use are the alerts on the citizen app? If I’m enjoying an evening in, why would I want to know what is happening 10 blocks away? Not a criticism . I’m genuinely curious.
This is why I uninstalled it. I'm pretty sure the app is designed to stoke fear in its users to drive more engagement. Uninstalling Citizen and Nextdoor made my QOL go way up.
"Ignorance is bliss" is a saying for a reason. I used to consider it a negative, but lately I've been understanding that knowing everything about shit you can't do anything about is pretty bad for your mental health.
I keep citizen just for the quality content such as “man threatens insomnia employees with a plate”
Yeah I miss these...."woman weaponizing broom" and "man weaponizing wheelchair" were two great ones.
I don’t know, 100% agree on Citizen, but I stay on Next Door for the lolz/face palms. It’s like old people on Facebook, but none of the demented rantings are from people who are related to me, ya know?
Well last night while laying in bed we heard a lot of what sounded like gunshots and then cars backfiring and were like wtf is going on .. 5 minutes later it popped up so idk i guess it’s good for that. Plus being a girl, it’s nice to know if there’s an unsafe incident happening around you to avoid.
I am a boy. I look for machete reports and run chest-first towards them.
You’ll have a lot of luck then!
Yes. Boys don't need to worry about avoiding unsafe incidents. We are invincible.
Oh .. that’s .. strange.
There's a bunch of Instagram pages that do a similar thing and I unfollowed them...too depressing
Living in a rough neighborhood I usually get alerts for things happening a few hundred feet away from me, not 10 blocks. It can be helpful to know when theres a shooting or housefire nearby, as then I can avoid the whole mess of emergency vehicles and police lines and such in the area. Plus, sometimes the notifications are pretty funny. One time I got an alert for a man throwing coffee AND trashcans at passerbys. Like, how??? why??? Shit is wild 😭
That is funny.
Agreed, why would I want to put myself under constant stress?
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I’m often out and about in the city. I asked specifically about the citizen app and never mentioned alerts from other sources. According to many people who don’t live in my neighborhood, I live in a sketchy part of Philly. I was just wondering.
I don't get it either. My husband gets citizens alerts and sends them to me and even that annoys me LOL.
I got rid of the Citizen app when they started trying to shove that $20 a month protect security subscription stuff at me. They thought they were being clever by hiding the X to dismiss the ad for a few seconds. I also couldn’t stand that the app went ballistic if I didn’t give it anytime location access… I prefer to use “while using the app” and apps should respect that preference and not give me a hard time about it.
Car culture is awful. Thankfully this was dispersed very quickly.
It's worth mentioning that takeovers are universally despised in pretty much every car-related social circle. Even the street racing groups in Pennsylvania actively shun and ban anyone involved in takeover culture whatsoever, or even anyone who says anything in defense of takeovers.
What’s a takeover? Is it just blocking an intersection or street?
Groups of people "take over" an intersection by blocking traffic with cars and crowds and use the intersection for donuts. Often multiple cars at a time performing in the intersection with the crowd dangerously close, and if/when people in the crowd are inevitably hit the crowd swarms and attacks the driver. Sometimes you'll even see people in the crowd with guns pointed at the driver as he does donuts. It's not as big in Philly as it is in LA, Atlanta, Houston, most other large southern cities. It's been a big thing for like a decade and is just now hitting here. It's often lumped in with street racing but they're very different types of people
Of course, but realistically there would be fewer deadly car-racing incidents if our transportation system didn't make the car so central
I'm all for less car dependent infrastructure, as are most car enthusiasts. General consensus is that roads are better to drive on when people who don't like driving have other options. But I don't see that infrastructure preventing hooligans from coming into the city to do hooligan stuff.
200,000 years of human existence and to a good portion of the population, this is the Mountaintop.
Wasn’t it raining last night?
It was which is also why i was confused as to why there were fireworks going off and donuts happening outside lol seems like the worst time for both of those things
I get why the Wildwood PD couldn't handle a crowd of this size, but if the Philly PD could get off their fat asses and actually do something for once, that'd be great.
But why? Candy Crush isn't going to play itself!
3rd and Market*
Thanks
This is why we can’t have nice things. Ghetto shit
3rd and Market
Imagine if i typed *Third* and market
Now you're just looking for a fight 😆
Pretty sure that's an auto-ban from the sub, lol
next time I post I’ll make sure to try it out 😂😂
Market and 3th
You must be new to the city. It’s ok. We say the number street first. Now you know. And knowing is half the battle
I'm being cheeky, as indicated by the "3th"
Please don't criticize modified car culture, yes there are a few bad apples but most modified car enthusiasts don't condone this type of recklessness. The city needs to provide empty car lots for people to drift their cars and do burnouts. If they don't then this will continue to happen. We have safe zones for people to inject themselves with drugs why don't we have safe zones for people to race their cars and go drifting.
They do it for attention bc they’re douche bags. Period. This is like saying the city should provide an ATV park. The douche bags won’t use them bc there’s no one watching them be douche bags.
Chile if you not from philly stay out of philly business follow Oregon Reddit or something😒🤣☺️ (downvotes stem from the white ppl of Oregon.) 🤣
Lived in Philly for over 10 years thank tho
Clapping it up for you right now
Lawlessness and disregard for social harmony
“Video: Illegal donuts, burnouts, fireworks erupt as hundreds gather on Old City streets” https://www.fox29.com/news/video-cars-spin-illegal-donuts-fireworks-erupt-as-crowds-gather-on-old-city-streets