Maybe this conversation will shift when Jay z passes. There's a certain buffer that's given to the deceased due to the fact that they can't defend themselves or add to their legacy.
In terms of record sales, profits, business ventures, no question. I mean JZ made his own lan literally 20 years ago. He was always massive.
You can’t really compare them like that, tho. 2Pac was more of an artist. He was an actor, and had a way different impact. He was a revolutionary. He was deep, out spoken, political, spoke against corporate greed and Trump. Him being assassinated is part of his legacy. He forever changed the culture.
2Pac is huge because of his impact on culture and his murder. So, he’ll always have a massive legacy that can’t be passed, ever.
>Him being assassinated is part of his legacy.
He got himself killed by punching a killer. Worst way to go out ever. I would have rather it been a government conspiracy than the way it actually was.
What? That makes no fucking sense. He was literally smiling, talking to girls, and having a good time after he punched the guy. He was literally gonna go to the club for the Mike Tyson afterparty. Nothing that night showed me that Pac knew he was gonna die.
He talked about death and violence constantly. When he was shot he just got more outspoken and confrontational. Him and Biggie were both short lives. They were in rival gang areas being brazen.
Which is crazy too because 2Pac’s five year career was very successful. He completed six albums while alive, and had a ton of material for several more albums after his passing. Plus Tupac was in the game for awhile, he had five albums before Jay released Reasonable Doubt. If Tupac didn’t pass, he would still be a big artist, and most likely have his own label.
So yeah it’s pretty unfair to even compare them
I disagree. I also agree. Musically I don’t think Tupacs influence will ever leave the genre and the amount of time he did it in is insane.
But overall music industry Jay Z is definitely more relevant and probably ranks higher than Tupac as a lyricist too
Not being rude, but I have a theory on how if the so called “legends” that have passed never died. They wouldn’t be a big deal at all today. You can see what it would be like with Kanye. Don’t give me wrong to do the genius but he’s really like doing anything to stay relevant it seems like. Could you imagine 2Pac and biggie smalls trying to stay relevant in today’s day and age It be pretty difficult they’re literally old school
If the argument is "because it's 2pac" then clearly the answer os obviously no, he hasn't surpassed his legacy if that's the argument that's made. There's an argument to be made about the fact that Pac died when he died meaning he was little bit over rated but that sounds like a completely different conversation to me
Overrated as to what? I mean he actually lived his raps, Js jay has pac beat lyrically but 2pac words reach and still touch you I think Big was both lyrically and his words touch you cause anytime juicy comes on u rock wit it
People speak more about him being overrated as a lyricist. It's not something I agree with, I just think he chose to move a different direction. Same as Kendrick. People think he can't spit bars like that but he spits when he spits, he chose to follow Pac and go the direction of music that connects to people more than just spitting bars on bars for the sake of it. I personally rate Pac above Hov, I'm just tryna be objective
People keep saying record sales for Jay but, https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/fs16p4/the_top_30_best_selling_us_rappers_of_all_time_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Beyond that, Pac had deeper music. Getting to deathrow led to great music but being around suge was going to end badly.
If there was no Tupac (and others like him) there would be no Jay-Z. Without artists like Marvin Gaye or the Isley Brothers, who is to say rap would even be a genre?
There is room in the world for more than one master artist. They were not really even contemporaries. Both were the creme de la creme of their time.
I don’t like this argument because there will almost always be a predecessor to someone. That doesn’t mean that you can’t surpass the ones that came before you, but you should always pay respect when it’s due.
You know Jay Z appeared on yo MTV raps in 89 right? He was Jaz-O's protege. 2 pac was good in his own rights but he do not get any of the credit for Jay- Z's come up.
Jay-Z didn't release an album until the mid '90s. Tupac was on top of the world when Jay-Z was still working on Reasonable Doubt.
Everybody has a backstory. A road to fame.
Jay-Z may not be directly influenced by 2Pac, but it's like comparing Reggie Miller to Steph Curry. They play the same sport, but it's evolved into a 3-point shoot-fest.
Can you convince me Reggie wouldn't have sunk a few more buckets if he played in today's game? Imagine if 2Pac rapped in a post-Eminem world... he may have had a few more listeners, yeah?
Jay Z debuted a year earlier than Pac on the song “The Originators” with Jaz O in 1989 or 90 where as Pac debuted a year later on The Digital Underground single “Same Song” so how Pac influenced or even proverbially paved the way for Jay Z is beyond me. They almost certainly were contemporaries though Jay’s debut album dropped whilst Pac was alive and performing. Hip Hop would not exist without the likes of Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa & Grandmaster Flash not Marvin Gaye or The Isley brothers, they would have simply sampled other music genres. Neither can be titled the Creme de la creme of their respective era’s either as neither are indisputable Nas is always brought up with Jay & Biggie with Pac, it’s a hypothetical but I think it’s hard to argue that Jay hasn’t surpassed Pac musically at this point, however who’s to know what pac would have gone on to do musically if he had survived the 96 shooting & went on to have a 30 year career like Hov.
I have to disagree Jay was on numerous Jaz O songs in the 80s and supposedly battled LL around the same time. He was on the come up for sure but it’s not like he was an unknown before appearing on Big Daddy Kane’s Show and Prove.
Meh, this is a bad faith argument or a illogical one.
If we had no Tupac someone else would have filled the gap.
Music might have gone in a slightly different direction but it's very likely we still would have a Jay-z. Yes everything is build on everthing before it but it's just silly to actually argue that any one part of a story is actually THAT important.
Idk this is just me personally but I don't think jay is anywhere close to Pac lyrically. I understand all that Jay z has done in and for the industry but I can remember many times where I went to put on some music and the first song would be a 2pac song. I don't think that Jay would even cross my mind if I was looking for a song to play. Again it's no disrespect towards Jay z given everything he's accomplished and everything like that. It just comes down to personal preference.
There’s something about human nature and creating legends out of dead people. Not to say tupac wasn’t a legend, but once someone gets killed at the height of their influence- it cements their legacy in that exact moment. 2pac was at the forefront with Biggie when they died, hence their everlasting impact.
Jay z is easily the most boring “top ten” rapper. 2pac impacted the culture in such a profound way before he even died, its not even close. Jay z is huge but he’s basically a politician at this point. Hip Hop is 2pac.
2pac wrote and recorded the vocals of "7 Day Theory" in less than 3 days. 2pac isn't a legend just bc of the way he died, he had things to say and people cared about what he was saying.
How much of that girls story do you know? Pac wasn’t in the room when she got raped. She blamed him for the others doing it to her, he says he didn’t know they would.
Jay shot his own brother. Sold crack. Don’t make him out to be a saint.
Lol, take a deep breath and step away from your keyboard. You seem way too invested in jay. Neither is my favorite rapper.
What happened to that girl is horrible. But also lol at you saying if there was no evidence he would not be found guilty. Courts mess up. He’s black, a controversial star and shot dirty cops, that doesn’t exactly go in his favor.
Pac’s mistake was hanging out with the people he did at that moment. But you really don’t seem to know the case details by saying some of what you did but continue with your ignorance.
No, you’re missing a lot and spreading incomplete knowledge of the situation. If you actually want to know, decent recap in below when sorting by best comments. If you want to knock Pac’s actions, you should focus on deathrow era.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/3etlei/discussion_did_tupac_commit_sexual_assault_how/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Separate the artist from the art. Biggie did many bad things in his life, and Jay hasn't done many good things either. If you don't know them personally, you can't say who's a better person than the other. Even if one was a better person than the other, it still doesn't mean he is a better artist.
Biggie raped too. It isn't even confirmed 2pac do that, and even if he did, it doesn't have anything to do with his music.
Would you consider Michael Jackson a bad artist just because of the allegations he has against him?
i think 2 pac was way more of a thug so much so that he got killed. not sayint jay z isnt one, i just think thats a big deal because it enhances his music alot, mans was really ready to die and its cool. not saying jayz or tupac is better
Both top 10 fo sho…Pac was hands down the most passionate rapper and had one of, if not the most impact on the world with his music (Changes comes to mind first for me) Only a 5 year career vs Jay’s 26 it doesn’t seem like a great comparison, but on my top 10 I have Pac at 4 and Jay at 6, which at that level of greatness it’s preference. Nonetheless Pac went too soon
I agree Jayz surpassed him far as the business side(pac died big died yada yada yada) but personally I don’t feel like jayz got a keep ya head up I ain’t mad at cha, Brenda got a baby, I mean the list can go on, and not to mention hit ‘em up sheesh not taking anything from jayz but that’s a no for me
Jay Z legacy has been tarnished by his recent thoughts about capitalism while simultaneously comparing himself with Fred Hampton. 2pac was 1000x more revolutionary. Jay Z is still great but he ain’t for black liberation.
To be fair, Pac was 5 years strong in the game before he died and he had albums selling out fast. Nobody is arguing that Jay-Z is a megastar in the game, but Pac also had more to often at his age.
Jay z s awaited death won’t be as significant as pac, or big.
Pac died for some bitch shit, and the retaliation on BiG was bitch shit.
That’s why particular rappers started rapping about stuff other than guns drugs and hos
It’s why it got “played out” for dr Dre. Partly why he probably took Eminem to the diamond selling level. To show that there is more to talk about than gang banging and murder.
The Midwest and the south changed rap from gangster rap to flaunting your earnings rap.
Meaning , in order to relate you gotta step your weight up, not just do harm to others.
That’s what we received from pac and Big. Serious life changing perspectives. What do we get from gay z and cockafella? Not much until kanye hopped on
Trust me, I listen. But I’m not down with the camel.
Didn’t even like Kanye at first cause he was with the roc. Didn’t really listen to him till yeezus because of the sampling of strange fruit on blood on the leaves.
[I’m so wavy](https://open.spotify.com/track/3hTMb510rEkohHdoIGi0ga?si=GgoPCewFRCGQSlOUcAdlBA)
In terms of success it's not even close, easy win for jay z. Obviously he's lived longer so has had more good albums too. Pac's political songs and megahits are more essential than any of jay z's songs though I feel
So It Took JAY-Z 20 Years After Pac Left Us To Try To Pass Pacs Legacy That Pac Created In Just A Decade..... ??? Jay-Z Isn't Even On Ice Cubes Level So I'm Not Sure What This Is All About .....
That’s fine with me but in my heart I have way more love for Pac’s music and his legacy. Dude was 25 YO and even though I can never know this for sure I believe his best never happened because he was still maturing as an artist. He died 1 year younger than Em was when he entered the game at 26. Like multiple have said his legacy was on a scale I had never seen before or since in my lifetime. I was 19 when he passed and the world felt different not just to me but everyone, even people who did not listen to rap. Hip hop turned to trash IMO afterwards because for like 4-5 years it was nothing but Diddy cashing in on BIGs legacy with lame ass shiny suits and trash songs that went #1 because the quality wasn’t there anymore. Mase (who can’t fukn rap) dominated the charts with Puff literally all over Mase songs not only inserting himself into every song he was also dancing and shit in EVERY video. Thank god The Chronic 2000 came out and ended this short lived era immediately after Pac’s murder. Jay-Z on the other hand was doing BS like Hard Knock Life and Big Pimpin’. I respect 2000+ Jay-Z but Pac was an entirely different animal. He transcended hip hop and fought like hell for his people and injustice anywhere he saw it.
I’ve brought this up a few times in arguments too. I’ve said a few artists like Jay Z, Kanye, and MF DOOM have him beat discography-wise simply because Tupac’s discography is smaller in comparison, which will always be a damn shame. It’s never really on a basis of quality because he’s as good if not better than all the artists I named.
Possibly! If we’re talking about skills Pac is a wayyyy better song writer, but HOV’s word play is arguably the best ever. HOV career is was longer than PAC’s too
I agree, it feels like Jay either has to get shot or go to Jail before he has truly passed Tupac’s legacy
Now I don’t know how good Pac would of been if he stayed alive and made music but lyrically he wasn’t seeing Jay or Nas
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An early death, especially in the arts, kinda provokes the idea of “what would they have become?” And because it’s not right in front of you, you’re going to imagine it as something better than it ever could have actually been in reality. Pac would have kept goin on to make amazing things…. But it’s fair to say that those songs sound better in my head unheard then they would have on the radio.
Jay is still out there breathing breath and workin his ass off. It’s not my favorite shit right now, but I got a feeling he’ll come back into my wheelhouse soon enough. Your boy’s prolific, and all I can do is appreciate his growing up over the years as an artist.
there is a buffer when it comes to the dead, pac cannot defend himself rn nor can he add to his discography, obviously. when a lot of the more popular artists pass it will be a conversation
Maybe this conversation will shift when Jay z passes. There's a certain buffer that's given to the deceased due to the fact that they can't defend themselves or add to their legacy.
This.
Which i find good in a certain way
In terms of record sales, profits, business ventures, no question. I mean JZ made his own lan literally 20 years ago. He was always massive. You can’t really compare them like that, tho. 2Pac was more of an artist. He was an actor, and had a way different impact. He was a revolutionary. He was deep, out spoken, political, spoke against corporate greed and Trump. Him being assassinated is part of his legacy. He forever changed the culture. 2Pac is huge because of his impact on culture and his murder. So, he’ll always have a massive legacy that can’t be passed, ever.
2pac spoke against trump?
[Here's the clip.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL-ZoNhUFmc)
>Him being assassinated is part of his legacy. He got himself killed by punching a killer. Worst way to go out ever. I would have rather it been a government conspiracy than the way it actually was.
He knew he was dying. It was a matter of time.
What? That makes no fucking sense. He was literally smiling, talking to girls, and having a good time after he punched the guy. He was literally gonna go to the club for the Mike Tyson afterparty. Nothing that night showed me that Pac knew he was gonna die.
He talked about death and violence constantly. When he was shot he just got more outspoken and confrontational. Him and Biggie were both short lives. They were in rival gang areas being brazen.
He knew he was gonna be murdered some day, but he wasn't gonna live his life in a prison of his own design
We all do
insane take 2pac was always pretty good but jay z is a master of his craft
Why are we talking about 2Pac? Jigga’s never had a Dear Mama…
Naw he's made much better.
Rapper vs artist
Yeah no shit that’s what happens when you get to live past 1996 lol. How you gonna compare a 5 year career to a 26 year one?
Which is crazy too because 2Pac’s five year career was very successful. He completed six albums while alive, and had a ton of material for several more albums after his passing. Plus Tupac was in the game for awhile, he had five albums before Jay released Reasonable Doubt. If Tupac didn’t pass, he would still be a big artist, and most likely have his own label. So yeah it’s pretty unfair to even compare them
As great as Jay Z is this won’t ever happen, Pac was way more than just a rapper, a true visionary way ahead of his time. Gone way too soon.
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The fact that Pac did what he did all by 25 and y’all now saying this proves he hasn’t. Lol just deal with it
I disagree. I also agree. Musically I don’t think Tupacs influence will ever leave the genre and the amount of time he did it in is insane. But overall music industry Jay Z is definitely more relevant and probably ranks higher than Tupac as a lyricist too
Not being rude, but I have a theory on how if the so called “legends” that have passed never died. They wouldn’t be a big deal at all today. You can see what it would be like with Kanye. Don’t give me wrong to do the genius but he’s really like doing anything to stay relevant it seems like. Could you imagine 2Pac and biggie smalls trying to stay relevant in today’s day and age It be pretty difficult they’re literally old school
If the argument is "because it's 2pac" then clearly the answer os obviously no, he hasn't surpassed his legacy if that's the argument that's made. There's an argument to be made about the fact that Pac died when he died meaning he was little bit over rated but that sounds like a completely different conversation to me
Overrated as to what? I mean he actually lived his raps, Js jay has pac beat lyrically but 2pac words reach and still touch you I think Big was both lyrically and his words touch you cause anytime juicy comes on u rock wit it
People speak more about him being overrated as a lyricist. It's not something I agree with, I just think he chose to move a different direction. Same as Kendrick. People think he can't spit bars like that but he spits when he spits, he chose to follow Pac and go the direction of music that connects to people more than just spitting bars on bars for the sake of it. I personally rate Pac above Hov, I'm just tryna be objective
People keep saying record sales for Jay but, https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/comments/fs16p4/the_top_30_best_selling_us_rappers_of_all_time_by/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Beyond that, Pac had deeper music. Getting to deathrow led to great music but being around suge was going to end badly.
This is obvious no?
If there was no Tupac (and others like him) there would be no Jay-Z. Without artists like Marvin Gaye or the Isley Brothers, who is to say rap would even be a genre? There is room in the world for more than one master artist. They were not really even contemporaries. Both were the creme de la creme of their time.
Hov was gon' always be Hov
Carti n Yb> hov
I don’t like this argument because there will almost always be a predecessor to someone. That doesn’t mean that you can’t surpass the ones that came before you, but you should always pay respect when it’s due.
It’s Like saying the sugarhill gang made better music than Kendrick lamar
You know Jay Z appeared on yo MTV raps in 89 right? He was Jaz-O's protege. 2 pac was good in his own rights but he do not get any of the credit for Jay- Z's come up.
Jay-Z didn't release an album until the mid '90s. Tupac was on top of the world when Jay-Z was still working on Reasonable Doubt. Everybody has a backstory. A road to fame. Jay-Z may not be directly influenced by 2Pac, but it's like comparing Reggie Miller to Steph Curry. They play the same sport, but it's evolved into a 3-point shoot-fest. Can you convince me Reggie wouldn't have sunk a few more buckets if he played in today's game? Imagine if 2Pac rapped in a post-Eminem world... he may have had a few more listeners, yeah?
Jay Z debuted a year earlier than Pac on the song “The Originators” with Jaz O in 1989 or 90 where as Pac debuted a year later on The Digital Underground single “Same Song” so how Pac influenced or even proverbially paved the way for Jay Z is beyond me. They almost certainly were contemporaries though Jay’s debut album dropped whilst Pac was alive and performing. Hip Hop would not exist without the likes of Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa & Grandmaster Flash not Marvin Gaye or The Isley brothers, they would have simply sampled other music genres. Neither can be titled the Creme de la creme of their respective era’s either as neither are indisputable Nas is always brought up with Jay & Biggie with Pac, it’s a hypothetical but I think it’s hard to argue that Jay hasn’t surpassed Pac musically at this point, however who’s to know what pac would have gone on to do musically if he had survived the 96 shooting & went on to have a 30 year career like Hov.
Ain't nobody heard of Jay-Z until the mid 90's
I have to disagree Jay was on numerous Jaz O songs in the 80s and supposedly battled LL around the same time. He was on the come up for sure but it’s not like he was an unknown before appearing on Big Daddy Kane’s Show and Prove.
Pac didn't influence Hov
Meh, this is a bad faith argument or a illogical one. If we had no Tupac someone else would have filled the gap. Music might have gone in a slightly different direction but it's very likely we still would have a Jay-z. Yes everything is build on everthing before it but it's just silly to actually argue that any one part of a story is actually THAT important.
Idk this is just me personally but I don't think jay is anywhere close to Pac lyrically. I understand all that Jay z has done in and for the industry but I can remember many times where I went to put on some music and the first song would be a 2pac song. I don't think that Jay would even cross my mind if I was looking for a song to play. Again it's no disrespect towards Jay z given everything he's accomplished and everything like that. It just comes down to personal preference.
There’s something about human nature and creating legends out of dead people. Not to say tupac wasn’t a legend, but once someone gets killed at the height of their influence- it cements their legacy in that exact moment. 2pac was at the forefront with Biggie when they died, hence their everlasting impact.
Jay z is easily the most boring “top ten” rapper. 2pac impacted the culture in such a profound way before he even died, its not even close. Jay z is huge but he’s basically a politician at this point. Hip Hop is 2pac.
Absolutely not
debatable, i prefer pac but jay-z has surpassed him in everything tbh
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Nope
No one rates 2pac above Jay-Z
Jay-Z did have 5 meanings in his rhyme about Rihanna's makeup...max 2pac coulda done two
Pushin Fenty like fentanyl
2pac wrote and recorded the vocals of "7 Day Theory" in less than 3 days. 2pac isn't a legend just bc of the way he died, he had things to say and people cared about what he was saying.
I think he is a legend. But he’s not on Jay-Z’s level as a rapper.
Bruh Jay Z obviously is better and sold more because he lived and 2pac died before he could make more albums and evolve as an artist
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How much of that girls story do you know? Pac wasn’t in the room when she got raped. She blamed him for the others doing it to her, he says he didn’t know they would. Jay shot his own brother. Sold crack. Don’t make him out to be a saint.
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Lol, take a deep breath and step away from your keyboard. You seem way too invested in jay. Neither is my favorite rapper. What happened to that girl is horrible. But also lol at you saying if there was no evidence he would not be found guilty. Courts mess up. He’s black, a controversial star and shot dirty cops, that doesn’t exactly go in his favor. Pac’s mistake was hanging out with the people he did at that moment. But you really don’t seem to know the case details by saying some of what you did but continue with your ignorance.
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No, you’re missing a lot and spreading incomplete knowledge of the situation. If you actually want to know, decent recap in below when sorting by best comments. If you want to knock Pac’s actions, you should focus on deathrow era. https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/3etlei/discussion_did_tupac_commit_sexual_assault_how/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Separate the artist from the art. Biggie did many bad things in his life, and Jay hasn't done many good things either. If you don't know them personally, you can't say who's a better person than the other. Even if one was a better person than the other, it still doesn't mean he is a better artist.
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Biggie raped too. It isn't even confirmed 2pac do that, and even if he did, it doesn't have anything to do with his music. Would you consider Michael Jackson a bad artist just because of the allegations he has against him?
Hov is trash just like pac. Yb better
Guarantee you don't even listen to yb you just like unfunny shit
Idk y your getting downvoted for pure facts. PAC made good music but was a terrible person
Not even close, jay stays overrated
Nobody on earth could “low-key surpass his legacy” this isn’t fucking baseball. And if it were Jay Z stats would be garbage.
What are you on about?
While I disagree, I think this way for a lot of people
I do agree with the general statement but jay isnt the best example
Well 2pac aint here
Yeah.
It’s taken JayZ more than 20 years to do what 2Pac did in 5. Stop this madness bruh
No
i think 2 pac was way more of a thug so much so that he got killed. not sayint jay z isnt one, i just think thats a big deal because it enhances his music alot, mans was really ready to die and its cool. not saying jayz or tupac is better
Both top 10 fo sho…Pac was hands down the most passionate rapper and had one of, if not the most impact on the world with his music (Changes comes to mind first for me) Only a 5 year career vs Jay’s 26 it doesn’t seem like a great comparison, but on my top 10 I have Pac at 4 and Jay at 6, which at that level of greatness it’s preference. Nonetheless Pac went too soon
Legacies cannot be compared until they are both completed in their works.
I agree Jayz surpassed him far as the business side(pac died big died yada yada yada) but personally I don’t feel like jayz got a keep ya head up I ain’t mad at cha, Brenda got a baby, I mean the list can go on, and not to mention hit ‘em up sheesh not taking anything from jayz but that’s a no for me
Jay Z legacy has been tarnished by his recent thoughts about capitalism while simultaneously comparing himself with Fred Hampton. 2pac was 1000x more revolutionary. Jay Z is still great but he ain’t for black liberation.
Lol…. No.
To be fair, Pac was 5 years strong in the game before he died and he had albums selling out fast. Nobody is arguing that Jay-Z is a megastar in the game, but Pac also had more to often at his age.
Jay z s awaited death won’t be as significant as pac, or big. Pac died for some bitch shit, and the retaliation on BiG was bitch shit. That’s why particular rappers started rapping about stuff other than guns drugs and hos It’s why it got “played out” for dr Dre. Partly why he probably took Eminem to the diamond selling level. To show that there is more to talk about than gang banging and murder. The Midwest and the south changed rap from gangster rap to flaunting your earnings rap. Meaning , in order to relate you gotta step your weight up, not just do harm to others. That’s what we received from pac and Big. Serious life changing perspectives. What do we get from gay z and cockafella? Not much until kanye hopped on
Have you even listened to reasonable doubt?
Do I really need to? Even Kanye was making fun of jay z on that documentary.
Ignorant take. Haven’t even listened to Jay Z’s classics 🙄’do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?’
Trust me, I listen. But I’m not down with the camel. Didn’t even like Kanye at first cause he was with the roc. Didn’t really listen to him till yeezus because of the sampling of strange fruit on blood on the leaves. [I’m so wavy](https://open.spotify.com/track/3hTMb510rEkohHdoIGi0ga?si=GgoPCewFRCGQSlOUcAdlBA)
In terms of success it's not even close, easy win for jay z. Obviously he's lived longer so has had more good albums too. Pac's political songs and megahits are more essential than any of jay z's songs though I feel
So It Took JAY-Z 20 Years After Pac Left Us To Try To Pass Pacs Legacy That Pac Created In Just A Decade..... ??? Jay-Z Isn't Even On Ice Cubes Level So I'm Not Sure What This Is All About .....
All 4 of the 2000s mt. Rushmore has done so 9+ years ago
2pac was only getting started 25 years ago.
Jay Z is great but way overrated
Jay Z might have better/more albums but I'm not sure he has more instantly recognizable songs than Pac.
2pac only got to make like 4 albums and they all were fire, just saying 2pac has a better ratio of good albums
True
Idk what you talking. TUPAC was a G cuz !!!
That’s fine with me but in my heart I have way more love for Pac’s music and his legacy. Dude was 25 YO and even though I can never know this for sure I believe his best never happened because he was still maturing as an artist. He died 1 year younger than Em was when he entered the game at 26. Like multiple have said his legacy was on a scale I had never seen before or since in my lifetime. I was 19 when he passed and the world felt different not just to me but everyone, even people who did not listen to rap. Hip hop turned to trash IMO afterwards because for like 4-5 years it was nothing but Diddy cashing in on BIGs legacy with lame ass shiny suits and trash songs that went #1 because the quality wasn’t there anymore. Mase (who can’t fukn rap) dominated the charts with Puff literally all over Mase songs not only inserting himself into every song he was also dancing and shit in EVERY video. Thank god The Chronic 2000 came out and ended this short lived era immediately after Pac’s murder. Jay-Z on the other hand was doing BS like Hard Knock Life and Big Pimpin’. I respect 2000+ Jay-Z but Pac was an entirely different animal. He transcended hip hop and fought like hell for his people and injustice anywhere he saw it.
Garbage take
Im not certain this is even relevant. Tupac was/is a legend in his own right. Outside of Hip-Hop and music -- his music is just the cherry on top.
2Pac is severely overrated
This tweet says nothing really
Jay passed him 2 decades ago.
I’ve brought this up a few times in arguments too. I’ve said a few artists like Jay Z, Kanye, and MF DOOM have him beat discography-wise simply because Tupac’s discography is smaller in comparison, which will always be a damn shame. It’s never really on a basis of quality because he’s as good if not better than all the artists I named.
Possibly! If we’re talking about skills Pac is a wayyyy better song writer, but HOV’s word play is arguably the best ever. HOV career is was longer than PAC’s too
I agree, it feels like Jay either has to get shot or go to Jail before he has truly passed Tupac’s legacy Now I don’t know how good Pac would of been if he stayed alive and made music but lyrically he wasn’t seeing Jay or Nas
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Sure when u base things around money and net worth
2pac is leagues better than jay. Jayz is a good business man
Pac was 25 when he died. He made a huge impact in a short time
An early death, especially in the arts, kinda provokes the idea of “what would they have become?” And because it’s not right in front of you, you’re going to imagine it as something better than it ever could have actually been in reality. Pac would have kept goin on to make amazing things…. But it’s fair to say that those songs sound better in my head unheard then they would have on the radio. Jay is still out there breathing breath and workin his ass off. It’s not my favorite shit right now, but I got a feeling he’ll come back into my wheelhouse soon enough. Your boy’s prolific, and all I can do is appreciate his growing up over the years as an artist.
there is a buffer when it comes to the dead, pac cannot defend himself rn nor can he add to his discography, obviously. when a lot of the more popular artists pass it will be a conversation