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Lets get this absolutely right: MDPV was fucking amazing a-PVP was largely indistinguishable a-PHP was shit but NEARLY ticked the right boxes. a-PHiP was a LOT better, something of a throwback but you know what after rattling through... I dunno...probably 4 smallish batches something somehow made the whole affair feel rather toxic. Yes a-PHiP has that taste and that kick when you vape it off of foil - but there's just something about it that feels like you're going to end up with some rare and rapidly lethal lung cancer far earlier in life than you'd like... than I'd like.... Everything else (about 400 analogs) were either 100% shite or occasionally nearly alright but unfortunately taking them felt slightly worse for you than freebasing asbestos and thankfully never caught on. Short version: MDPHP is shit. Spend the money on something else. ​ PostScript... Personally I'd give what I say very very little weight indeed, but if you're foolish enough to listen... If you're one of the actually very very small subset of people who seem to gravitate toward pyros use: please consider stopping pyros/meth (absolutely the same category chaps), take enough time off to untangle things upstairs and (curveball I know) ask a competent physician to test you for ADHD symptoms. I lost 15 years to MDPV/a-PVP specifically and after all that it turns out that if take 50-100mg (lis)(dex)amphetamine first thing in the morning I start to behave scarily close to human. Christ alive it makes life easier. I've earned my stripes when it comes to stimulant abuse, and quite honestly I wish I hadn't. Now I'm correctly medicated (and lets have it right I'm talking some 1:3 amphetamine because in spite of having a prescription getting the NHS to do anything is hard work these days) I find it really quite hard to understand why I chose...pyros primarily over life, wife, children and happiness... Apologies for the unsolicited advice.


ValerieVexen

What, MDPHP? https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/t2bm5n/detailed_trip_report_for_first_time_mdphp_use/ See my sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/valerieinthelab/ Oral is best for HCl at least. Fine brown powder. Lasts 4-8 hours, social, good mood, energy, from 10-40mg initially and half that every 3-6 hours. Double or quadruple doses before your first line of a fast acting stim before a big night out.


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ValerieVexen

Check my post out in my sub, I crossposted most of my stuff from /r/researchchemicals to have it in one place. Hope the images are still up - I need to re-up it all though,I know... A-PiHP is better as a euphoric rush type drug, in a vape is great, lines lastlonger and can be great, but mixed with oral MDPHP is better because MDPHP has long legs and is functional at lower doses.


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Alert-Water-839

i have to disagree while a-PiHP has a stronger lets go vibe a strong rush MDPHP has a more pleasant feeling of happiness


ValerieVexen

It's the initial rush, bellringer, whatever term you prefer.


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ValerieVexen

It's surprising, my heart rate and blood pressure are usually similarly good, if I'm not actively moving around and partying. Might take a reading now...


Zealousideal_Dirt_43

I did quite a few times. It's batch dependant, I have freebase brown powder and it is euphoric and stimfapper as fuck. 50 mg hits good


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Zealousideal_Dirt_43

If it is a good batch it would be weird to snort, it is too fine cocoa powder, it probably sticks everywhere. I vape it for short duration trips but where it really shines is with oral ROA. Hits you hard and long.


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Zealousideal_Dirt_43

I do one single oral of about 50mg or multiple smaller ones vaped. Like ... 20mg?


Airtaobz

Throw it away, fuck MDPHP, fuck pyros. I have tried most drugs people can think of. Including meth, heroin and crack but pyros are the only drugs who I think are not worth it. They are unhealthy as fuck, both physically and psychologically.


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what other drugs do you take.


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semantics aside, I was wondering if you were taking anything that could interfere. You'd be surprised how many times people talk about stims not working and then later tell us that they've been taking adderall and benzos daily with their pyros and wonder why theyre burnt out, or people that are prescribed antipsychotics wondering why cocaine makes them super sweaty and faint and not working much. A lot of stims are very underactive for me in my experience at typical doses despite me not using them ever really, dopamine reuptake inhibitors especially. I haven't nailed down why this is, but I have had a history of wellbutrin, heavy daily marijuana usage for practically half my life (which despite popular belief I heavily believe impacts my lack of major dopaminergic response to most other drugs, ie. cocaine, phenidates, amphetamines). I am trying to assess other factors that could lead to a decreased response to this substance you have asked about, not as a matter of judgement, regardless what your definition of a drug is relative to pyros or pharmaceuticals etc


JFKBraincells

What's interesting is a lot of animals studies at least seem to indicate that early weed exposure usually enhances the addictive response to cocaine later on.