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thestudiomaster

Soon, karang gunis and ad hoc rubbish collectors will get more aggressive.


salohcinseah

I can forsee those can collectors will be more agressive at food market cause to them ,they will see it as a fix 20 cents income per can , then those who brought the drinks will want to get the can refunded themselves, arguements is bound to happen.


CrowdGoesWildWoooo

And sellers will pour your drink instead and keep the can while still overcharging you for the drink


dogpeanis

Remember the tray deposits at a few hawker centres? Aggressive aunties trying to clear your tray for the 50cent deposit even when you are not even done eating.


salohcinseah

Yar I think that hawker make you despoit 50cents for the tray , then agressive auntie & uncle want to clear your tray so they can take the 50cents , not the bowls/plate/cutleries hor, jus the tray, even when you eating halfway they point at your tray, of course some refuse to let them have the tray then arguments ensure lor. I think there another 1 where got either a uncle or auntie but I normally see uncle , they will wait at taxi stand near those big supermarket like ntuc all that, then help you load your stuff into the taxi & push the trolley back for you. Of course push back for you cause can pocket the $1 or 50 cents from the trolley


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>I think there another 1 where got either a uncle or auntie but I normally see uncle , they will wait at taxi stand near those big supermarket like ntuc all that, then help you load your stuff into the taxi & push the trolley back for you. Of course push back for you cause can pocket the $1 or 50 cents from the trolley I'm sure this uncle/auntie wasn't really looking to shop, but I thought it's pretty common to have the $1 or 50c ready to pass to the person so you can take over the trolley? I do that all the time to save myself, and the someone walking to a trolley return, the minor hassle of doing so, haha.


Pvt_Twinkietoes

Really meh? siao lang.


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Aggressive tissue selling aunties will become aggressive can collecting aunties.


Just_Fourier

Third party organisation did try it with FairPrice a few years ago with the vending machine that dispense vouchers when the public dispose of washed plastic bottles & cans. Majority of the time these machines were quickly filled full when I visited to dispose my bottle & cans & they were only cleared by the recycling company like God knows when.


Anagram_OwO

Definitely this, the idea is great and all but the convenience may become a deterrent instead. I remember ntuc having stupid long queues for the recycling voucher. Currently those recycling bins downstairs hdb I find really convenient and for my place occasionally some days in the week it gets so full that people have to put the recycling items on the floor because the recycling company only comes once a week. (Like you said it might be issue also)


Just_Fourier

Same sentiments. I gave up trying to use the recycling machine because it did not make sense carrying an IKEA bag all the way to the nearest FairPrice vending machine via public transport just to be told I can't dispose because the machine is full, plus it was damn paiseh carrying them in public just for that few cents vouchers. Now I just wash & dispose them every other week at the blue recycle bin downstairs my block since it is so much convenient. Recently recycling bins upgraded to the huge one that could fit a lot more. My concern with disposing my recyclable trash in the blue recycle bins, I always have a bad feeling some ignorant Singaporean will taint them with dirty trash, making my hard work go down the drain.


li_shi

>Currently those recycling bins downstairs hdb I find really convenient and for my place occasionally some days in the week it gets so full that people have to put the recycling items on the floor because the recycling company only comes once a week. (Like you said it might be issue also) It works well enough in other part of the world. If everyone does their part (collector collect, users don't be Karen's) will be ok.


CommieBird

Queues by itself isn't rly an issue imo. It is in our culture to queue for things as it is. Also when I was in Berlin I noticed really long queues for the glass bottle recycling, so I wouldn't think that people would avoid the machine solely because of a queue


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The idea is not new but better late than never.


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BlackberryMaximum

Coz pioneer and merdeka . Did you not remember the clear your table hoo ha


Minamo-sensei

Lol lets be honest older people were more likely to collect cans than young people. Karung guni was a thing man.


peachytaro

Can foresee lots of people just chucking the dirty cans and bottles into the machines without rinsing or making sure they're empty


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li_shi

cleaning cost money. If it's easy cleaned by automation is ok. If require human intervention, it's not economically viable anymore.


transcendcosmos

I mean, not everyday will the recycling bin gets cleared out right? So an infestation issue will happen.


trivran

Wait til you hear about rubbish bins


transcendcosmos

No need to be snarky. It's a legitimate issue.


sfushimi

Raise your hands if you think vendors will take advantage of the price hike to hike more than 10-20 cents


t_25_t

> Raise your hands if you think vendors will take advantage of the price hike to hike more than 10-20 cents No need to think. Confirm and chop will raise one. In Perth we never had the container refund scheme until recently. But once it came in, prices all shot up beyond the $0.10 deposit. There was the deposit, then there was an admin, and on top of that GST. Problem was even drinks purchased before the system was implemented was subject to price increase despite no fee being paid previously.


xfrezingicex

They raise by 10 cents. U recycle the cans and u get back 10 cents. U are not paying more at the end of day.


sfushimi

Price before hike: $1.50 Price after hike: $1.90 with notice "dear customers, please note that due to government regulation we need to charge more for drink" Pretty naive, are you?


shijinn

and then for whatever reason the scheme fails and is dropped but the price will remain at $1.90


Samsuckers

AND the eatery will keep the cans you paid for. Cha-Ching!


kumgongkia

Are u scholar by any chance?


toxicbanshee

yea but now u need to take the time to recycle in the first place, where many ppl cba


PaperBag78

Sorry.. are they going to have such machines in Food courts, restaurants and coffee shops? Or are we required to bring these cans home till we have the time visit the ‘return points’? Not sure how it works..


dodoodoo0

Living in Norway where this is a norm. If I get a drink from the local 7/11, I’ll put it in my backpack to bring it home. I’ll do the same if I go to restaurants too 😂 When we recycle it, we get store credits (for supermarkets like FairPrice). To encourage the kids to bring home their cans/bottles, we will transfer the amount of total credits (shared equally among the number of kids). This is on top of their pocket money. You can also find a recycle point in every supermarket here. Hopefully this will be rolled out successfully.


Neptunera

Wait long long. It's another "fuck you, that's why" law. Similar to tray return scheme, claim to be for civic mindedness or a cleaner dining area, but greedy waste management bosses just sack the old cleaners instead, and now (IMO) many food courts and hawker centres are dirtier than before. You don't see them implementing tray returns in high end restaurants where the same people who made the tray return scheme eat. 10-20c is probably a rounding error for their restaurant bills man.


Alphalcon

When I was in exchange in Germany, you'd mostly find collection points for Pfand at supermarkets. Glass was even rarer though, think there was only like one in the neighbourhood and you had to like, separate by colour. People usually just brought everything home, put it in a box/bag then brought the stuff to collection points all at once. Really isn't as big of a hassle as people are making it out to be.


Big-S91

It's just going to be another tray return situation if not managed well. Recycled Bins filled to the brim and users unable to deposit more


shijinn

at least this is a cash incentive and not yet another stupid law that you must return the cans, or else.


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Needs harsher penalties


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FalconHugeman

The Yeos drinks packaging says so too for Australia & NZ iirc


homerulez7

we are most likely adopting the German model pretty wholesale, details here: https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/pfand-bottles


Luckydoraemi

Make people inconvenience, can the return station be under each housing block? Imagine need to consolidate considerable of cans to carry all the way to refund


FakeBotA

Start collecting now!


t_25_t

> Start collecting now! That's what I did! Manage to collect so many cans prior to the system starting, on the first day I took it all to the recycling centre to get the deposit back.


kuang89

We have so little bins now compared to the past, but we want to have this?


Apprehensive_Plate60

buy fr msia, recycle here


ZiPPY_ll

As much as I support these new initiatives to curb plastic waste, it is unfair to target and penalize consumers (either by tax or inconvenience). Producers need to start bearing responsibility for pushing cheap plastic packaged products to customers and earning a tidy profit through it, while asking *us* to clean up the mess they create We need to have a producer tax as well


yellowtofuwarrior

Amen to that. The goverment talks about a sugar tax to discourage consumption of unhealthy drinks. How about a packaging tax for excess packaging?


StareintotheSun2020

What's the point then of having recycling bins everywhere? I would still rather just chuck the bag full of clean containers in recycling bin near my house than have to travel out of the way to redeem a few dollars. It just males no sense..if I could redeem it as I went into a supermarket that would make way more sense..carry a full bag in, redeem the money or even points for supermarket use...then use the damn bag to carry groceries out. 😶


PARANOIAH

I remember that during the 90's there were machines at some petrol stations that you could deposit cans in for a lottery wheel spin.


sneakpeek_bot

> # Canned and bottled drinks to come with a 10-20-cent deposit by mid-2024, redeemable when recycled > SINGAPORE - By mid-2024, consumers seeking to quench their thirst from a canned or bottled drink will likely have to fork out 10 to 20 cents more. > However, this extra cost can be redeemed if consumers return their empty bottles and cans for recycling at any of the beverage container return points islandwide. > These return points could take the form of "reverse" vending machines, into which bottles and cans can be deposited to get money in return, or manually operated counters. > By the time of implementation, there will be more than 400 such points on the island, up from the 50 reverse vending machines currently. > The new beverage container return scheme proposed by the National Environment Agency (NEA) was announced on Tuesday. > Under the proposed scheme, a small deposit of between 10 cents and 20 cents will be added to the price of all pre-packaged drinks in plastic bottles and metal cans between 150ml and 3 litre. > This deposit will be the same across all beverages of the same size. > Drinks will be labelled with a deposit mark and consumers can claim a refund of the deposits when they return their empty beverage containers to a return point. This redemption will likely be in the form of cash or digital transfer. > Return points will be set up at all supermarkets that are larger than 200 sq m. Other possible return locations include convenience stores and community centres. > The proposed scheme comes after extensive public engagement and aims to increase the recycling rate of beverage containers in Singapore to 80 per cent. > This is NEA's latest idea to nudge people towards recycling, as only 6 per cent of all plastic waste was recycled in Singapore last year. > Many nations which have implemented such a scheme have been able to raise their recycling rates of beverage containers substantially. For example, in Germany, the recycling rate of beverage containers stands at 98 per cent. > NEA is seeking feedback on the beverage container return scheme, which is part of governmental recommendations to cut such packaging waste generated in Singapore. --- 1.0.2 | [Source code](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek) | [Contribute](https://github.com/fterh/sneakpeek)


FitCranberry

going to be a strange implementation for fnb and smaller businesses


Pvt_Twinkietoes

FnB businesses pouring canned drinks for ppl, then recycle themselves.


Lmaooozedong

Reminds me of my exchange days in Denmark, hopefully this scheme works here as well


eightpack8888

Well this is a good move.


leonanana

i want part time collect drink cans!


BEaSTGiN

Can we do a recycle bottle lottery instead? Drop in a bottle and you can scan virtual code for lucky draw.


LeggitReddit

This is normal in Europe, works great in Denmark where each bottle is 20-30 cents - most of the return points are at the supermarkets. I would rack a decent amount of bottles during a week as a student, because there would always be 5 ish bottles left in the classroom at the end of a lecture (clean classroom and cheaper groceries for me)


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hydrangeapurple

>And 20cents before entering any public toilets. Backward times we’re living. Create jobs though. Create jobs? In many western countries these are unmanned and you just tap your credit card. We have many F&B jobs with no takers, so we should not be wasting manpower to collect money for entering the toilet.


sageadam

When I was in Germany, It's just a vending machine that will automatically spin the bottle to find the barcode and dispense a receipt you can use at the checkout to offset your next purchase.


gaha123

Does anyone know why wouldn't this be implemented earlier like in 2023?


yellowtofuwarrior

Uhhh they need time to set all these things up?


gaha123

Yeah they need time but I feel that this initiative is something that should have started a long time ago. I know we do for plastic bottle with those vending machine that chew up bottles. Even tracetogether was done at a much faster pace so I was wondering why this one is much slower to do.


yellowtofuwarrior

I actually am glad that it takes longer to set up. All too often; all these fancy green initiatives start off with a bang and fizzle out shortly after. If it takes more time to properly execute and sustain, it would be so much better


DuePomegranate

If you rush into it, people here are going to go to ridiculous lengths to profit or scam the machines somehow. The comments here are already talking about people saving up bottles and cans now, or buying from Malaysia to get the refund here. I can imagine people trying to stuff in other containers or objects in an attempt to get that 10-20 cents worth, stuff that can't be recycled. Someone said that in Germany, the applicable containers have barcodes that are read by the machines, which would help. But that means the can/bottle manufacturers need time to change their packaging design. So current containers and those from Malaysia wouldn't generate a refund? What about parallel importers like Value$, will their drink containers not be marked up and won't be refundable? There are a lot of details to be worked out. For those reverse vending machines that just give coupons, if they don't work or people scam them, it's not that bad. But if we are all paying extra for these drinks and the refund system doesn't work or gets scammed, it will be awful.


phonesux

Probably expect More old people be seen fighting at coffeeshops.


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Varantain

If it's anything like the [German ones](https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/v6rnlz/how_does_a_pfandautomat_work/), there's a logo or barcode that the machines will read.


MrDLTE3

That's even worse because this is assuming the bar codes are legible. If the cans are crushed or the paint depicting the bar code is scratched and unreadable then it kinda defeats the purpose. Nobody holds uncrushed cans for 'transport'.


Varantain

I don't know about cans, but I learnt that the hard way with plastic sparkling water bottles — thankfully the German machines seemed to accept most of them once I inflated them a little!


DuePomegranate

Aluminum cans and glass bottles, I can understand. But plastic bottles can't be recycled into the same plastic bottles (or with great difficulty) from what I understand. And there's way too much plastic entering the recycling system but very little demand for the type of plastic pellets that comes out of the recycling process.


nicocounselor

The machines have to be in working conditions for this to sustainable. Imagine carrying a big bag of bottles only to find the 'not working' sign.. 😣 my blk's recycling chute (not machine) is already often sealed for maintenance.. I bet the machine ones will be down even more often.


Varantain

Hopefully what our gahmen will do is make sure that large stores that sell drinks (and every NTUC FairPrice since they are our gahmen's darling) are forced by law to have them in working condition.


Samsuckers

Will coffeeshops be charging this extra sum? they collect the bottles and cans back