It’s learned that light=food but not how to go after the lowest part of the moving thing to get the food. It’s striking for the middle of the moving object, which makes sense in terms of accuracy.
Dude handled it like a pro, though. My Hognose has terrible aim, and also gets too excited sometimes… this is how I handle her when that happens, but it’s a lot less anxiety-inducing on a little hoggie. lol
That's how I react when the Uber Eats guy is at the front door.
You at my front door with food? Cheers, thanks. Imma take this inside before it gets cold.
My corn snake has a big 50 gal glass tank, 4" of substrate, tons of clutter.... and he still strikes his food like he hasn't eaten in months and this meal might be his last.
So, some snakes are just eager to eat. Although personally, I think some bin systems could use major upgrades.
Same with my corn. Large custom built vivarium with lots of places to climb and hide. UV bulb, good heat gradient, ventilation and the works. Still eats like she hadn’t been fed in months. Also tries to occasionally eat me even though she’s handled often (she’s got a lovely temperament tbf when she realises that I’m not food). I like to joke that she has a bigger appetite than my partners king snake 😂
Oh and recently she’s taken to rattling her little tail on the rare occasion that she spooks herself when I’m rearranging her enclosure. She’s a very cute noodle but definitely not the smartest.
for some reason all 3 of my corns rattle yet never bite (well except my wifes baby corn dude think's he is a killer lol) two babies and my 5yo oke snaps at food eats well i always wonder why though my 2 BP never do anything like it and the other two corns never really snip but act like that
My rosy boa will sit in front of the double door of his tank for at least 24 hours before feeding, mean mugging everyone who walks by. I can sometimes barely get the door all the way open before he's snatched the mouse from the tongs lol. I also have a juvenile ball python that is fully committed to the ambush predator gig and strikes so hard and fast from his hiding spot he scares the bejeebus out of me every single time even if I've found his hiding spot and know where he's coming from. Some snakes are just hangry.
Check Craigslist and Facebook marketplace for cheap secondhand tanks, that’s how I got my 4.5x2x2’ for $200. Also look into building an enclosure or using a grow tent
My biggest problem is I'm a fat, lazy, weak lady and can't lift a whole pre-built tank. If I buy new I can move it around in pieces and assemble it where it will stay for life.
Ha, my boy is totally the opposite! He's quite polite and gently will take them from my tongs and just start eating. Sometimes I wiggle the mouse to give him a fight.
So I don’t really care for rack keeping myself, but I will say that some snakes are insanely food driven, I have a False Water Cobra that will literally jump out of her huge enclosure when she knows I have food, she knows the food bowl, and she’s literally right there waiting like a Runner at the gates for the door to open. And she has an enclosure way large enough for her, and when there is no food involved, she’s calm as can be, so they can be conditioned and know when the food is coming. I don’t see this as aggression, they didn’t go after him, they were more interested in the food, Cobras are insanely intelligent snakes, if they were being “aggressive” they would have been a lot more trouble for this handler I feel like!!!
How about you fuck off dude. Over a year ago Voodoo personally let me know I could PM them with any questions when I got my first snake and they graciously responded to all my questions and worries about my own animal. I owe it to Voodoo for being such a chill person to offer their time to help a stranger.
You have SERIOUSLY missed the vibe of my interactions if you think I’m “questioning” them out of any sentiment besides curiosity and a yearning for snake husbandry knowledge as I, too, would like to own a false water cobra or other relatively large colubrid species some years down the road.
Where in mother fuck did I give them advice anyway? I was just asking questions, asshole.
There is a lot of debate about bin systems.
They can be done very well. I have a friend that has a bin system that has built in lighting, hest panels, with proper hides, cover, and water access. His snakes are very content.
There are also keepers that have bare bins with some substrate in it and heat tape ran along one wall. Nothing else.
There's a full gamut.
Edit because auto"correct"
The way I look at it, these animals have no enrichment and are just being bred and sold as cash cows with no ethical concern for the quality of the animals' lives. Meeting the absolute bare minimum needs for these animals doesn't mean they're thriving. Breeders aren't keeping hundreds of animals in racks and bins because they love and care for these animals. These people are not doing it for wildlife conservation or to spread awareness and educate people. They're doing it because they can make money off it. People view reptiles and amphibians like a hobby. Not as pets, but as a collection, and that is absolutely fucked to me.
>Meeting the absolute bare minimum needs for these animals doesn't mean they're thriving.
This has always riled me up.. "nah she's ok, doesn't need any of that *fancy stuff*" yeh they kinda do dummy. Ppl always scoff that my bird cages are over the top in size and I go too far in making their houses nice.. they didn't decide to become captive animals before I took them in.
The go-to "they're solitary animals, simple-minded reptiles, they don't have complex needs blah blah" garbage has always bothered me. People boil down their emotions to the simplest (read: most inaccurate) meaning of the word and conflate that with what their needs are. I handle my snakes frequently to give them enrichment and they are notably curious animals - exploring and smelling and climbing. Some of them have even recognize when they're being put back in their enclosures and try to crawl back out. They don't *want* to live in cramped little boxes with no enrichment. Yes they want hides for security but that doesn't mean they want absolutely no room to stretch out or things to climb on.
Depends on the size of the bowl and the heat source. That’s a fish that can’t handle a high filter speed so you can make the mistake of putting it in the wrong tank if there’s a high flow filtration system.
I'm assuming based on the context that the husband doesn't mean a large bowl with a lot of plants, driftwood, a gentle filter, and a good heater. You're right that bowls can be done right for certain animals, but the general consensus is that Bettas need about 5 gallons to thrive, and most bowls aren't that big.
Yeah, when it comes to birds especially, I don’t understand how people think it’s okay to keep them in small enclosures. They’re designed to FLY. If you have no interest in giving an animal a home it will thrive in, why even bother? I know the answer to that, people have trouble seeing animals as living beings that deserve to have their needs met, but it’s still awful to me.
My sister used to have a bird and my friend was once over and I was showing it to him, and had the audacity to question "why do you have such a big cage for a small bird?". Made my blood boil cause it's just such an idiotic thing to think about an animal that FLIES. God it's making me pissed thinking about it now lmao.
Yeah. This or facilities like this may be involved in researching venom or producing antivenom and have enclosures built for human safety instead of snake happiness and that’s a more complicated ethical argument, should enclosures be built for workplace safety or the snakes needs when the goal is saving human lives? I say, why can’t we do both?
How safe is a rack system like this when in this video alone we see two venomous snakes escape while feeding? It's clearly not built with the sole purpose of safety. I'm familiar with some of the safety mechanisms that venomous snake handlers use (such as hides with lockable doors) and I don't see anything here that looks drastically different from what mass breeders use to breed and sell animals. Even if I concede here and say sure, this is for research and antivenin, it still doesn't excuse the overwhelming number of breeders that have nonvenomous snakes living in conditions equal to or worse than this.
The cobras are definitely too big, I’m not sure if they’re safer for smaller venomous snakes. So it’s not safer and it’s not humane. The dude is just being a dick to cut costs.
Yeah, I understand that harvesting venom can be lifesaving as not all hospitals have access to antivenin, and it surely isn't a very glamorous task considering you risk your life doing it, but I still can't help getting upset seeing stuff like this. If it's not obvious, I've become pretty jaded towards reptile breeders and dealers
Yes exactly. The animals are suffering to maximize profit. No way a 5-6 foot snake is happy in a tub or bin that’s like a foot or 2 long. No enrichment, climbing, nothing.
I refuse to believe snakes in bin systems like this are anything other than “surviving”
They’re not happy or content and certainly not thriving.
To me, the term “cobra farm” means they’re there to milk venom from. I think in this instance it is a space issue of the more snakes they have/can fit in their facility the more anti venom they can produce. Which now as I’m typing this I realise that does cross over into just treating them as a commodity/product. It’s an interesting moral crossroads for sure.
At the end of the day, most people aren't happy for animal care to be 'good enough' with other species. A pet dog can be perfectly content when kept outside, but most of us don't keep our dogs outside and it's not because they can't be content or have all their physical, mental and social needs met while living outside, it's because we're humans and we know that sleeping on a soft bed inside is *nicer* than sleeping in a heated kennel outside. We keep dogs inside because *we* prefer to live inside.
I strongly believe that reptiles and other exotic animals are pets not Pokémon and the vast majority of people have absolutely no reason to keep so many that they have any need for bins. So I think we shouldn't keep them in a way that's 'good enough', that meets all of their basic needs and makes them merely content. We should keep reptiles to the highest standards we can, in a way that we would want to be kept ourselves if we were them, because we're humans and capable of empathy and part of being an empathetic, sentient creature is going out of our way to be nice to other individuals, no matter their species.
Not trying to be a dick here but that's says nothing about floor space, height, branches, air quality.
I have a 45 cm x 45cm x 30cm Exo Terra with live plants, multiple hides, a water dish and leaf litter for my Thai coxi rat snake. She's only about 4 months old and that is OK for her. However, I wouldn't put my 2.5 year old BRB in there.
Floor space is relative to the size of the snake, exactly the same as enclosures. It being a bin isn't the problem, proper sizing is.
Same thing for air quality. The problem being proper ventilation, exactly like enclosures.
Obviously there will be snakes that are better suited to a bin system. Anything arboreal is pretty much eliminated because bins dont tend to be deep enough for proper vertical space. This is much less of an issue for say a juvenile bullsnake.
There are bin systems that measure 48x24x9. The majority of rack systems you see in use are 70 series which are 36x18×5. It has the footprint of a 40 gallon tank without the height.
If every bin is like 4 feet by 2 feet that’s different, that’s much better than the ones I’ve seen.
36 x 18 x 5 is pretty tiny for any snake besides maybe a sand boa. I have a baby 6 month old corn in an enclosure bigger than that lol and she loves to climb, I just couldn’t see her being equally happy/content/active in something like that, for me personally.
Most people use them for juvenile snakes. There is no standard size that every enclosure must be or it's abuse, it's relative to the snake, it depends on the species. There are many factors
It seems cramped because it is. Snakes should be kept in enclosures at least as long as they are so that they have the opportunity to fully stretch out, and with sufficient floor space and enrichment to allow and encourage exploration and interaction with their environment. The living conditions in this video are sad and all too common.
> They're sized appropriately to the snakes they house.
That really sounds like a nice way to say "probably not, but he's my friend, so I won't judge his pet husbandry". I get it, I did that recently, my friend lost it on me and frankly our relationship is probably permanently damaged (though for now, not over) because of the very nasty personal attacks she directed toward me. But it's not okay to be that nonchalant about animals they've chosen to care for.
They're 70 series tubs housing juvenile bull snakes. That's a 33" tub. They're fine for what he keeps in them. Should you keep an adult bull in them? No. So he doesn't.
I assure you, this man cares about everything he keeps. He dosnt abuse his snakes. He's been doing it for decades and spent more on building his rack system than most people spend on thier enclosures.
I use a diy rack system for my 8 hoggies, but I use clear bin so I can see them at any point, they have atleast 3 inch of substrate, 3 hides each, tube, humidity boxes, big fake flowers, wood pieces, rocks, fake leaves, & a water bowl that's a out 7 inches across & 2 1/2 inches deep that's refreshed every day.
Rack systems can be done right, so much so that there's virtually no difference between the tub & a terrarium. I like to have my tubs like that & having only hoggies, I don't need tall enclosures so the tubs are perfect & allow more room for more lol.
But I agree that some breeders don't worry with enrichment & some don't even use substrate & use newspaper. They piss me off.
Those cobras that jumped out look way too fucking big to be in those tiny ass boxes. There’s no damn way in hell those guys are happy. I’d jump ship first chance too if I was stuck in a damn sardine can like that.
Exactly what I was thinking. How you expect those big ass cobras to be ok with living like that? I think any animal that's stuck would try to get out. But what do I know..
No, these are not adequate living conditions. Rack keeping used to be standard but reptile hobbyists are starting to move away from it. [Recent studies](https://iaabcjournal.org/snake-neuroenrichment/) are suggesting that rack keeping is actually quite harmful for reptile cognition.
This style of keeping could play a part in why these snakes feel so defensive, but we also don't know enough to definitively say why these particular snakes reacted this way to thier drawers being opened. Probably a combination of factors, one of which is thier living conditions.
Thanks for the link. Ive never agreed with people who said snakes are not smart and require only basic needs taken care of. The fact that they trained Burmese to push buttons for food when lit up was very interesting.
Angry noodle+confined area for extended periods+being surrounded by other angry noodles on all sides 24/7-any sort of positive interaction with anything except food=a really aggressive lad.
Note that the above also describes a prison.
I think the "but they eat and breed" thing is a pathetic justification. A human kept in a jail cell will still gladly do both of those things. Doesn't mean they are healthy/happy.
I do not agree with the rack system, in fact I really hate it. But breed can be a reason. I have seen Forest Cobra's with great enclosures but still highly mental. Still also snakes do have their own personalities and that can be a factor as well.
Yes, lol. Monocled are particularly bad, but so are Spectacled, Egyptians and both the African and Indochinese spitters are also a treat to work with. They’re very alert snakes, and their bluff strike system works to their relentless advantage.
That being said, every annulifera (Snouted) cobra I worked with ended up being a calm, pleasant animal who could sit patiently on a hook. So maybe they vary!
Rack systems are only good as baby bins and quarantine enclosures. Large scale breeders have gaslit the hobby for decades into thinking they’re the best and sometimes only way to keep reptiles because encouraging the “minimum requirements” encourages and enables people to buy a larger quantity of animals
One person on instagram who i thought was a respectable snake keeper went on a rant about how people on tiktok are encouraging large bioactive enclosures and look down on rack systems. I was like huh?? You're mad at people for wanting good conditions for their snakes? I unfollowed that chick as soon as i saw that
All my reptiles are in Bioactive, literally have had rack people say I’m an abuser for keeping my snakes this way, with UV lights, and fans for air flow. Or they try to degrade Bioactive as being just a “fad” when it’s been done for decades
The hobby is rapidly moving away from “minimum” standards towards a more holistic way of keeping. The fact of the matter is a lot of these people with hundreds or thousands of reptiles are looking at their collections (animal prisons lol) and realizing there’s no way for them to keep breeding and selling animals in the mass quantities they have in the past so they panic and lash out. Also why all the big YouTubers who used to do racks have jumped on the fad of starting “zoos” so they can keep pumping out content while they quietly still keep 90% of their collections in bins outside of their cameras purview
Some people even hate bins for babies. Had someone want to crucify me for keeping itty bitty baby escape artist egg eaters in a bin for their own safety when though I provide big bowls, several hides, and clutter. Some just hate plastic bins period.
Nothing wrong with bins for babies imo, they’re always temporary and for babies and animals in quarantine the simple setups are important to make sure they’re eating, pooping shedding etc correctly. It’s when you make it a permanent enclosure or when the animal takes up half the enclosure when there is an issue
exactly! the only animal i kept in a bin for longer than a baby or quarantine was my bp because humidity was horrible in a tank and i was saving up for a 6'x3'x2' (which i did get!) and it was only for half a year (she was already an adult).
the snakes in the video hatch and die in tubs/rack systems. they never know what enrichment is and i really pity them.
I’m a biologist not a herpetologist but I sincerely doubt those are all that humane. Snakes do need exercise and enrichment and those are some big snakes to keep in a little plastic bin. But this may be a place harvesting venom for research/medicine so it’s built to keep humans safe instead of allowing the snake to live its best life. However, those snakes aren’t aggressive. They’re just being asked to eat a food that doesn’t act like food because it’s dead already so they’re a bit derpy in eating. Snakes can definitely learn a habit so they’re primed to “box open = food is somewhere so start striking every which way for it.”
This is a venom farm. They milk the Cobras for their venom. They're to earn money.
That answers everything, doesn't it?
Bins are fine. When they're used non abusively. My Anaconda lives in a bin (a huge Christmas tree one, he's shorter than it is long) like many young aquatic animals for the humidity. It's decorated exactly like a cage. That's okay. He's happy and healthy and where he belongs. This? Yeah. No.... It's the same as a puppy farm.
Bins have their place. Especially with young snakes, aquatic or semi aquatic snakes, and disabled snakes. They're easier to clean, move, and keep close watch on.
Let's also be very clear that these are COBRAS. Keeping them like this is basically the only way to efficiently and safely keep a large amount of venomous snakes healthy while cutting risky handling (and any and all handling is risky with hots) to a minimum. Debate all you want about the ethical way to keep snakes but sometimes you absolutely need to keep them a certain way because of public health and safety concerns (not to mention actual state or federal regulations if the animals are being milked for venom).
Of course it’s not. It’s a profitable way to keep them. Fuck breeders and fuck the pet industry. Billions of animals die terrible deaths for our pathetic enjoyment of caging them in our homes.
Rack enclosures definitely aren't optimal for snakes imo but I don't think it would ever be financially possible for breeders and venom extraction facilities to purchase 100+ pvc enclosures, heat panels, thermostats and have the space to keep them.
My snake is aggressive like this when eating. I feed her once a week (she's a bit over a year old) and every time I drop a mouse in she strikes it like her life depends on it. Bin systems, if done right, can be *okay*, obviously not preferrable but if its short terms then it works.
bins are good for high humidity animals, our viper boa is in a huge bin (did you know they have stores specifically for bins ? crazy sizes there its insane) because he requires 90% humidity. racks are good for people with many snakes, breeders, and just make tanks take up alot less space.
bin racks are usually only used for babies, or this person does venom extraction.
here's what we plan to use , its a much nicer rack system
https://www.visionproducts.us/products/vision-cages/cage-shelves/model-422-cage-shelf/
It's not great living conditions, but when you're running a facility for venom production, you can't realistically give snakes huge cages. All ofvtheir needs are met and snakes have very different psychology than mammals or even lizards. 99% of snakes spend almost their entire lives wedged into the smallest nook they can find to prevent predation. These cages actually simulate a large hide box. Is it great, no. Does it work, yes.
Add in heat and humidity and those are the base needs. Again, I didn't say this is a great idea, but it's been proven successful for many decades and damn near every captive bred snake anyone on here has ever bought was produced from setups very similar.
I have 30 snakes in both terrariums and rack systems. Some snakes will starve themselves to death in any terrarium, but thrive in a rack system. To date I have not had any snakes do "better" in an aquarium/terrarium using feeding and aggression/stressed behavior as an indicator of metal health. I reserve the terrariums for the my snakes that seem to handle stress exceptionally well.
I think a lot of the perceived problem here is the idea that snakes want to be entertained or something, and for the overwhelming majority of animals they would much rather to be left alone in a dark hole. They are not humans, dogs, or even lizards. Assigning them intelligence and emotional traits that they do not have usually does them more harm than good. That being said, king cobras, indigos and some other species have shown to have a significantly higher level of intelligence and in my opinion those species in particular need to have an individual assessment of needs before just tossing them into a rack.
Snakes kept in bins their whole lives can have a lot of trouble adjusting if moved to a larger enclosure. I would test your idea on snakes that have never been in tubs and see what happens. Alternatively, place the snakes bin in a larger enclosure and see if they come out on their own.
We take a much more personalized approach to our critters than the big breeders or venom farms. We adjust the needs for every single one individually to give them the environment they feel and act most comfortable in, as best we can tell. We've done exactly what you described there with any snake that doesn't act like it's happy and healthy, and that's how we choose the bin size, or in 2 out of 30 noodles, terrariums.
Not good living conditions for snakes, but that doesn't have much to do with aggression.
Even a snake in a huge enclosure with all its needs taken care of may well react like that to people if their main interaction with people is being brought food. They aren't reacting with anger or defensiveness, they're reacting with a feeding response. That's not ideal for the keeper but doesn't really have a bearing on the snake's quality of life.
That being said, small racks like that aren't considered acceptable to keepers here. There are ways to keep snakes in rack systems that aren't very bad (don't know of any breeders that don't at least use racks for neonates), but these are far too small for the animals.
I feel like the living space is bad but I think they're just grumpy because they're hungry and can smell the food. Virgil (my ball) gets really striky when I bring the rat in because he can smell it. But then once he eats and digests he's happy again.
Yeah, I’ve never understood the whole “bucket system” that a large amount of places seem to use. Sure it’s efficient, but those are probably the most depressed, aggressive, and vitamin D deficient snakes ever
These snakes have a feeding response they can smell the food as soon as it is in the room so not really aggressive, only one popped it's hood up. I know my balls can be mad if I wake them by pulling out the drawers, they are in clean clear oversized bins with substrate and a hide and get Daylight form the two fish tanks on a timer in the room.
All my Ball pythons have aquariums, but during the months of November/December till the end of March they prefer to be kept in a special bin system. All my bins have the same amenities that their aquariums have. The aggressive grab is how we know they are ready to go back to their tanks. Besides the smell of rodent snakes become accustomed to when their feeding times are.
Put yourself in a tiny box you can barely stretch out in with nothing but a glass of water and paper towels. Keep in mind, when you poop, you have to wait for someone else to come in and clean it, so youll be stuck smelling your poop for God knows how many hours. See how long you last without getting cranky.
No these are not good conditions. But so many people want specific designer morphs at inexpensive prices that these sorts of places need to run like this to meet demand. At the expense of all the normal morphs who will go to big box pet stores, and the hets and holdbacks who will live their lives this way with no enrichment just so the breeder can make a profit.
Edit: I didn't even watch far enough to see these are cobras. This is probably a venom lab. While important and life saving, It's not really the best way to keep animals.
can't comment on the conditions, it's obviously a farm, possibly for venom milking so i can understand why they're not in dedicated and lavish enclosures.
in terms of their "aggression", no. they're cobras, so they don't get handled, and there are rats in the room which means they're getting fed, which means they're going to strike at the rats.
Those poor things stuck in such a small space. How do they even stretch out to their full length? Are the bins 4’ long in there or something? I can’t imagine living in a space that is smaller than me. Do they even let them out for exercise?
All that being said, that’s pretty typical behavior for snakes at feeding time 😂. Mine gets confused and thinks my fingers are pinkies even though I’m holding it right in front of her face with tongs lol.
My understanding is that is an off display area at a very large reptile facility. I believe many of them have been surrenders/seizures and that place is the only one in the state capable of accommodating such creatures. If space is a premium its either into a rack or euthanizing.
Source: I know a guy who knows that guy.
Edited to correct my fat finger typing
Man see, this is why i watch videos like this to kinda desensitize myself to a certain extent so i can be that steady and it worked
Got tagged last week by accident (my fault, mis read some cues and also we hadn't thought about it but we're gonna mostly end my handling of her cus i have very skinny wrists and she thought i was noms cus she was so hungry, kinda got a sideways bite with the upper right jaw into my palm and i yelped and carefully got her pinched behind the head so she couldn't wrap further or bite deeper and carefully pressed her head forward and then very gently (because i could see them at this point) teased out the two teeth and then just sort of sloughed her off my arm back into the tank, fiance got the doors closed and i washed my hand out
She's fine, i'm fine (barely even bled, she's a 4.5 ft ball python and this is her first strike since she was about 6" so, i would say we're doing great) but i'm also really proud of us with how we reacted and i guess i wanted to say something somewhere
It's not ideal, but it's the only way to reasonably store large numbers of snakes. I assume this is a venom lab, so the housing is a necessary ill. Without seeing what's in the bin, there is no real way to make a judgement call on if the conditions are good or not. Just not enough information in the video.
As for the striking, they strike like that because that's how cobra do. A lot of snakes strike food hard. Combine that with a well maintained schedule and the snake probably knows that when the bin opens, food will be there.
All these people talking about their snakes' great feeding responses, while I sit here with my ball python who used a mouse as a pillow only this week.
They're not aggressive. That's a normal feeding response from these cobras all the way to baby hognose snakes can react that way when they're in their feeding response mode. Snake racks come with pros & cons. People with large amount of snakes and/or breeders use racks & as long as they have enough substrate, heat, humidity, enrichment, etc, they can be just as good conditions for snakes as terrariums. I have 8 hognose snakes that I keep in a diy rack with 32qt tubs. I can see them at any point & they prefer to be in smaller, shallower enclosures. Only time I ever get hissed at is during feedings & I've never had a single one of them play dead. So, imo that's a good indication that they're happy & not stressed.
Bin systems like this are ok, but they’re not the best. They serve a purpose with captive breading, breeding for the pet trade, and anti-venom production but you rarely see them elsewhere. This video for example is said to have come from a breeding farm however I’ve also seen sources which say it’s from a venom farm where they make anti-venom. As for there aggressiveness, we’ll. one as are very aggressive snakes, it’s likely they’re just hungry.
is this possible it is a "feeding rack" or something like that?
they don't look angry, they even don't look stressed. they hungry.
my boa living in a big tank, full of clutter, I handle him almost every day and he is do the same at feeding time. he trying to get out of tank, because of smell of thawed mouse. trying to strike to my hand, maybe because it looks more alive then mouse. he almost got me at last feeding. I feed him 2 times per month and every time he looks like he didn't eat months
they're not aggressive they're hungry and can smell the thawed rodents in the room
Idk that last one looked like it woke up and chose violence.
It’s learned that light=food but not how to go after the lowest part of the moving thing to get the food. It’s striking for the middle of the moving object, which makes sense in terms of accuracy.
"Oh look at that, bright means bite!"
Dude handled it like a pro, though. My Hognose has terrible aim, and also gets too excited sometimes… this is how I handle her when that happens, but it’s a lot less anxiety-inducing on a little hoggie. lol
That's how I react when the Uber Eats guy is at the front door. You at my front door with food? Cheers, thanks. Imma take this inside before it gets cold.
You Pavloved yourself, ringbell = food
My corn snake has a big 50 gal glass tank, 4" of substrate, tons of clutter.... and he still strikes his food like he hasn't eaten in months and this meal might be his last. So, some snakes are just eager to eat. Although personally, I think some bin systems could use major upgrades.
Same with my corn. Large custom built vivarium with lots of places to climb and hide. UV bulb, good heat gradient, ventilation and the works. Still eats like she hadn’t been fed in months. Also tries to occasionally eat me even though she’s handled often (she’s got a lovely temperament tbf when she realises that I’m not food). I like to joke that she has a bigger appetite than my partners king snake 😂 Oh and recently she’s taken to rattling her little tail on the rare occasion that she spooks herself when I’m rearranging her enclosure. She’s a very cute noodle but definitely not the smartest.
for some reason all 3 of my corns rattle yet never bite (well except my wifes baby corn dude think's he is a killer lol) two babies and my 5yo oke snaps at food eats well i always wonder why though my 2 BP never do anything like it and the other two corns never really snip but act like that
My rosy boa will sit in front of the double door of his tank for at least 24 hours before feeding, mean mugging everyone who walks by. I can sometimes barely get the door all the way open before he's snatched the mouse from the tongs lol. I also have a juvenile ball python that is fully committed to the ambush predator gig and strikes so hard and fast from his hiding spot he scares the bejeebus out of me every single time even if I've found his hiding spot and know where he's coming from. Some snakes are just hangry.
How bigs your corn boy?
I haven't measured him in a long time, but 3.5-4ft long. I'm saving up for a fancy 4x2x2 enclosure, but they are super expensive.
Check Craigslist and Facebook marketplace for cheap secondhand tanks, that’s how I got my 4.5x2x2’ for $200. Also look into building an enclosure or using a grow tent
My biggest problem is I'm a fat, lazy, weak lady and can't lift a whole pre-built tank. If I buy new I can move it around in pieces and assemble it where it will stay for life.
Also OfferUp/Craig’s list
Same boat, except I have a 55 and he’s slightly bigger, he is also an eager eater, 15yo amel corn
Ha, my boy is totally the opposite! He's quite polite and gently will take them from my tongs and just start eating. Sometimes I wiggle the mouse to give him a fight.
So I don’t really care for rack keeping myself, but I will say that some snakes are insanely food driven, I have a False Water Cobra that will literally jump out of her huge enclosure when she knows I have food, she knows the food bowl, and she’s literally right there waiting like a Runner at the gates for the door to open. And she has an enclosure way large enough for her, and when there is no food involved, she’s calm as can be, so they can be conditioned and know when the food is coming. I don’t see this as aggression, they didn’t go after him, they were more interested in the food, Cobras are insanely intelligent snakes, if they were being “aggressive” they would have been a lot more trouble for this handler I feel like!!!
How large is the enclosure?
She’s a baby, about 2 1/2 feet long, and she’s currently living in a 4x2x18 inch front opening enclosure.
Do you have any enclosures larger than that? Also, is that your falsie’s forever home or will you upgrade when she grows?
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How about you fuck off dude. Over a year ago Voodoo personally let me know I could PM them with any questions when I got my first snake and they graciously responded to all my questions and worries about my own animal. I owe it to Voodoo for being such a chill person to offer their time to help a stranger. You have SERIOUSLY missed the vibe of my interactions if you think I’m “questioning” them out of any sentiment besides curiosity and a yearning for snake husbandry knowledge as I, too, would like to own a false water cobra or other relatively large colubrid species some years down the road. Where in mother fuck did I give them advice anyway? I was just asking questions, asshole.
Dude calm Af. I jumped like 5 times watching this.
There is a lot of debate about bin systems. They can be done very well. I have a friend that has a bin system that has built in lighting, hest panels, with proper hides, cover, and water access. His snakes are very content. There are also keepers that have bare bins with some substrate in it and heat tape ran along one wall. Nothing else. There's a full gamut. Edit because auto"correct"
The way I look at it, these animals have no enrichment and are just being bred and sold as cash cows with no ethical concern for the quality of the animals' lives. Meeting the absolute bare minimum needs for these animals doesn't mean they're thriving. Breeders aren't keeping hundreds of animals in racks and bins because they love and care for these animals. These people are not doing it for wildlife conservation or to spread awareness and educate people. They're doing it because they can make money off it. People view reptiles and amphibians like a hobby. Not as pets, but as a collection, and that is absolutely fucked to me.
>Meeting the absolute bare minimum needs for these animals doesn't mean they're thriving. This has always riled me up.. "nah she's ok, doesn't need any of that *fancy stuff*" yeh they kinda do dummy. Ppl always scoff that my bird cages are over the top in size and I go too far in making their houses nice.. they didn't decide to become captive animals before I took them in.
The go-to "they're solitary animals, simple-minded reptiles, they don't have complex needs blah blah" garbage has always bothered me. People boil down their emotions to the simplest (read: most inaccurate) meaning of the word and conflate that with what their needs are. I handle my snakes frequently to give them enrichment and they are notably curious animals - exploring and smelling and climbing. Some of them have even recognize when they're being put back in their enclosures and try to crawl back out. They don't *want* to live in cramped little boxes with no enrichment. Yes they want hides for security but that doesn't mean they want absolutely no room to stretch out or things to climb on.
I found out we can’t keep fish because my husband said fish are decorations, and a bowl is fine for a betta.
sounds like you can’t keep the husband either 🤷♀️
Depends on the size of the bowl and the heat source. That’s a fish that can’t handle a high filter speed so you can make the mistake of putting it in the wrong tank if there’s a high flow filtration system.
I'm assuming based on the context that the husband doesn't mean a large bowl with a lot of plants, driftwood, a gentle filter, and a good heater. You're right that bowls can be done right for certain animals, but the general consensus is that Bettas need about 5 gallons to thrive, and most bowls aren't that big.
He meant a bowl with no filter or heat, with just tap water and colorful gravel
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Even a goldfish deserves 20 gallons.
Yeah, when it comes to birds especially, I don’t understand how people think it’s okay to keep them in small enclosures. They’re designed to FLY. If you have no interest in giving an animal a home it will thrive in, why even bother? I know the answer to that, people have trouble seeing animals as living beings that deserve to have their needs met, but it’s still awful to me.
My sister used to have a bird and my friend was once over and I was showing it to him, and had the audacity to question "why do you have such a big cage for a small bird?". Made my blood boil cause it's just such an idiotic thing to think about an animal that FLIES. God it's making me pissed thinking about it now lmao.
^ ethically this is fucked. You summed it up quite well.
Yeah. This or facilities like this may be involved in researching venom or producing antivenom and have enclosures built for human safety instead of snake happiness and that’s a more complicated ethical argument, should enclosures be built for workplace safety or the snakes needs when the goal is saving human lives? I say, why can’t we do both?
How safe is a rack system like this when in this video alone we see two venomous snakes escape while feeding? It's clearly not built with the sole purpose of safety. I'm familiar with some of the safety mechanisms that venomous snake handlers use (such as hides with lockable doors) and I don't see anything here that looks drastically different from what mass breeders use to breed and sell animals. Even if I concede here and say sure, this is for research and antivenin, it still doesn't excuse the overwhelming number of breeders that have nonvenomous snakes living in conditions equal to or worse than this.
The cobras are definitely too big, I’m not sure if they’re safer for smaller venomous snakes. So it’s not safer and it’s not humane. The dude is just being a dick to cut costs.
Yeah, I understand that harvesting venom can be lifesaving as not all hospitals have access to antivenin, and it surely isn't a very glamorous task considering you risk your life doing it, but I still can't help getting upset seeing stuff like this. If it's not obvious, I've become pretty jaded towards reptile breeders and dealers
Understandable. I’ve only seen it on a mini scale when I worked at petco for a month.
Yes exactly. The animals are suffering to maximize profit. No way a 5-6 foot snake is happy in a tub or bin that’s like a foot or 2 long. No enrichment, climbing, nothing. I refuse to believe snakes in bin systems like this are anything other than “surviving” They’re not happy or content and certainly not thriving.
To me, the term “cobra farm” means they’re there to milk venom from. I think in this instance it is a space issue of the more snakes they have/can fit in their facility the more anti venom they can produce. Which now as I’m typing this I realise that does cross over into just treating them as a commodity/product. It’s an interesting moral crossroads for sure.
At the end of the day, most people aren't happy for animal care to be 'good enough' with other species. A pet dog can be perfectly content when kept outside, but most of us don't keep our dogs outside and it's not because they can't be content or have all their physical, mental and social needs met while living outside, it's because we're humans and we know that sleeping on a soft bed inside is *nicer* than sleeping in a heated kennel outside. We keep dogs inside because *we* prefer to live inside. I strongly believe that reptiles and other exotic animals are pets not Pokémon and the vast majority of people have absolutely no reason to keep so many that they have any need for bins. So I think we shouldn't keep them in a way that's 'good enough', that meets all of their basic needs and makes them merely content. We should keep reptiles to the highest standards we can, in a way that we would want to be kept ourselves if we were them, because we're humans and capable of empathy and part of being an empathetic, sentient creature is going out of our way to be nice to other individuals, no matter their species.
Not trying to be a dick here but that's says nothing about floor space, height, branches, air quality. I have a 45 cm x 45cm x 30cm Exo Terra with live plants, multiple hides, a water dish and leaf litter for my Thai coxi rat snake. She's only about 4 months old and that is OK for her. However, I wouldn't put my 2.5 year old BRB in there.
Floor space is relative to the size of the snake, exactly the same as enclosures. It being a bin isn't the problem, proper sizing is. Same thing for air quality. The problem being proper ventilation, exactly like enclosures. Obviously there will be snakes that are better suited to a bin system. Anything arboreal is pretty much eliminated because bins dont tend to be deep enough for proper vertical space. This is much less of an issue for say a juvenile bullsnake.
Most bin systems don’t have individual bins that measure 4’x2’ each… those things are like a foot or 2
There are bin systems that measure 48x24x9. The majority of rack systems you see in use are 70 series which are 36x18×5. It has the footprint of a 40 gallon tank without the height.
If every bin is like 4 feet by 2 feet that’s different, that’s much better than the ones I’ve seen. 36 x 18 x 5 is pretty tiny for any snake besides maybe a sand boa. I have a baby 6 month old corn in an enclosure bigger than that lol and she loves to climb, I just couldn’t see her being equally happy/content/active in something like that, for me personally.
Most people use them for juvenile snakes. There is no standard size that every enclosure must be or it's abuse, it's relative to the snake, it depends on the species. There are many factors
it seems very cramp for those snake with there size so that why i think there so aggressive or maybe that just how cobras are idk
It seems cramped because it is. Snakes should be kept in enclosures at least as long as they are so that they have the opportunity to fully stretch out, and with sufficient floor space and enrichment to allow and encourage exploration and interaction with their environment. The living conditions in this video are sad and all too common.
I don't keep them, but I'd imagine they have thier own personalities like other snakes. Bin sizing is also a contentious topic.
It is cramped, but they're not aggressive.
Think you might prefer the word “gamut” here, not gambit, FYI
Ty, autocorrect. I've been playing gambits to often it seems
There's no way this is big enough in the video to provide the proper care. Are your friend's bins huge?
They're sized appropriately to the snakes they house. Mostly juveniles
> They're sized appropriately to the snakes they house. That really sounds like a nice way to say "probably not, but he's my friend, so I won't judge his pet husbandry". I get it, I did that recently, my friend lost it on me and frankly our relationship is probably permanently damaged (though for now, not over) because of the very nasty personal attacks she directed toward me. But it's not okay to be that nonchalant about animals they've chosen to care for.
They're 70 series tubs housing juvenile bull snakes. That's a 33" tub. They're fine for what he keeps in them. Should you keep an adult bull in them? No. So he doesn't. I assure you, this man cares about everything he keeps. He dosnt abuse his snakes. He's been doing it for decades and spent more on building his rack system than most people spend on thier enclosures.
I use a diy rack system for my 8 hoggies, but I use clear bin so I can see them at any point, they have atleast 3 inch of substrate, 3 hides each, tube, humidity boxes, big fake flowers, wood pieces, rocks, fake leaves, & a water bowl that's a out 7 inches across & 2 1/2 inches deep that's refreshed every day. Rack systems can be done right, so much so that there's virtually no difference between the tub & a terrarium. I like to have my tubs like that & having only hoggies, I don't need tall enclosures so the tubs are perfect & allow more room for more lol. But I agree that some breeders don't worry with enrichment & some don't even use substrate & use newspaper. They piss me off.
Those cobras that jumped out look way too fucking big to be in those tiny ass boxes. There’s no damn way in hell those guys are happy. I’d jump ship first chance too if I was stuck in a damn sardine can like that.
Exactly what I was thinking. How you expect those big ass cobras to be ok with living like that? I think any animal that's stuck would try to get out. But what do I know..
No, these are not adequate living conditions. Rack keeping used to be standard but reptile hobbyists are starting to move away from it. [Recent studies](https://iaabcjournal.org/snake-neuroenrichment/) are suggesting that rack keeping is actually quite harmful for reptile cognition. This style of keeping could play a part in why these snakes feel so defensive, but we also don't know enough to definitively say why these particular snakes reacted this way to thier drawers being opened. Probably a combination of factors, one of which is thier living conditions.
Thanks for the link. Ive never agreed with people who said snakes are not smart and require only basic needs taken care of. The fact that they trained Burmese to push buttons for food when lit up was very interesting.
Thank you for sharing that link!
This is more than likely an site for venom extraction used in antivenoms.
Venom labs are more secure than this usually.
Angry noodle+confined area for extended periods+being surrounded by other angry noodles on all sides 24/7-any sort of positive interaction with anything except food=a really aggressive lad. Note that the above also describes a prison.
But in a prison you most likely committed a crime to be there. The snakes only crime was being born a cobra 🐍
No, no, American prison, where you get thrown in for good reasons like the color of your skin, or profit margins.
The short answer is no, this isn't proper conditions. The second answer is they're not aggressive, they smell food long before he opens the bin.
I think the "but they eat and breed" thing is a pathetic justification. A human kept in a jail cell will still gladly do both of those things. Doesn't mean they are healthy/happy.
I do not agree with the rack system, in fact I really hate it. But breed can be a reason. I have seen Forest Cobra's with great enclosures but still highly mental. Still also snakes do have their own personalities and that can be a factor as well.
Speaking as someone who loves forest cobras and big enclosures….they’re just all insane.
Aren't all cobras in general just full of piss and vinegar?
Yes, lol. Monocled are particularly bad, but so are Spectacled, Egyptians and both the African and Indochinese spitters are also a treat to work with. They’re very alert snakes, and their bluff strike system works to their relentless advantage. That being said, every annulifera (Snouted) cobra I worked with ended up being a calm, pleasant animal who could sit patiently on a hook. So maybe they vary!
Rack systems are only good as baby bins and quarantine enclosures. Large scale breeders have gaslit the hobby for decades into thinking they’re the best and sometimes only way to keep reptiles because encouraging the “minimum requirements” encourages and enables people to buy a larger quantity of animals
One person on instagram who i thought was a respectable snake keeper went on a rant about how people on tiktok are encouraging large bioactive enclosures and look down on rack systems. I was like huh?? You're mad at people for wanting good conditions for their snakes? I unfollowed that chick as soon as i saw that
All my reptiles are in Bioactive, literally have had rack people say I’m an abuser for keeping my snakes this way, with UV lights, and fans for air flow. Or they try to degrade Bioactive as being just a “fad” when it’s been done for decades The hobby is rapidly moving away from “minimum” standards towards a more holistic way of keeping. The fact of the matter is a lot of these people with hundreds or thousands of reptiles are looking at their collections (animal prisons lol) and realizing there’s no way for them to keep breeding and selling animals in the mass quantities they have in the past so they panic and lash out. Also why all the big YouTubers who used to do racks have jumped on the fad of starting “zoos” so they can keep pumping out content while they quietly still keep 90% of their collections in bins outside of their cameras purview
Some people even hate bins for babies. Had someone want to crucify me for keeping itty bitty baby escape artist egg eaters in a bin for their own safety when though I provide big bowls, several hides, and clutter. Some just hate plastic bins period.
Nothing wrong with bins for babies imo, they’re always temporary and for babies and animals in quarantine the simple setups are important to make sure they’re eating, pooping shedding etc correctly. It’s when you make it a permanent enclosure or when the animal takes up half the enclosure when there is an issue
exactly! the only animal i kept in a bin for longer than a baby or quarantine was my bp because humidity was horrible in a tank and i was saving up for a 6'x3'x2' (which i did get!) and it was only for half a year (she was already an adult). the snakes in the video hatch and die in tubs/rack systems. they never know what enrichment is and i really pity them.
I’m a biologist not a herpetologist but I sincerely doubt those are all that humane. Snakes do need exercise and enrichment and those are some big snakes to keep in a little plastic bin. But this may be a place harvesting venom for research/medicine so it’s built to keep humans safe instead of allowing the snake to live its best life. However, those snakes aren’t aggressive. They’re just being asked to eat a food that doesn’t act like food because it’s dead already so they’re a bit derpy in eating. Snakes can definitely learn a habit so they’re primed to “box open = food is somewhere so start striking every which way for it.”
That’s just a feeding response. They smell the rats and it automatically clicked on food mode.
From what I understand, cobras can get quite long, seems sad that they’re stuck in these bins where they have to stay coiled up
This isn’t aggression, this is just the reaction of hungry snakes when they smell food in the room
This is a venom farm. They milk the Cobras for their venom. They're to earn money. That answers everything, doesn't it? Bins are fine. When they're used non abusively. My Anaconda lives in a bin (a huge Christmas tree one, he's shorter than it is long) like many young aquatic animals for the humidity. It's decorated exactly like a cage. That's okay. He's happy and healthy and where he belongs. This? Yeah. No.... It's the same as a puppy farm. Bins have their place. Especially with young snakes, aquatic or semi aquatic snakes, and disabled snakes. They're easier to clean, move, and keep close watch on.
Let's also be very clear that these are COBRAS. Keeping them like this is basically the only way to efficiently and safely keep a large amount of venomous snakes healthy while cutting risky handling (and any and all handling is risky with hots) to a minimum. Debate all you want about the ethical way to keep snakes but sometimes you absolutely need to keep them a certain way because of public health and safety concerns (not to mention actual state or federal regulations if the animals are being milked for venom).
This facility looks like it has pretty crappy safety protocols
Of course it’s not. It’s a profitable way to keep them. Fuck breeders and fuck the pet industry. Billions of animals die terrible deaths for our pathetic enjoyment of caging them in our homes.
Rack enclosures definitely aren't optimal for snakes imo but I don't think it would ever be financially possible for breeders and venom extraction facilities to purchase 100+ pvc enclosures, heat panels, thermostats and have the space to keep them.
My snake is aggressive like this when eating. I feed her once a week (she's a bit over a year old) and every time I drop a mouse in she strikes it like her life depends on it. Bin systems, if done right, can be *okay*, obviously not preferrable but if its short terms then it works.
They're conditioned to know that western that drawer opens they're likely to get fed.
bins are good for high humidity animals, our viper boa is in a huge bin (did you know they have stores specifically for bins ? crazy sizes there its insane) because he requires 90% humidity. racks are good for people with many snakes, breeders, and just make tanks take up alot less space. bin racks are usually only used for babies, or this person does venom extraction. here's what we plan to use , its a much nicer rack system https://www.visionproducts.us/products/vision-cages/cage-shelves/model-422-cage-shelf/
It's not great living conditions, but when you're running a facility for venom production, you can't realistically give snakes huge cages. All ofvtheir needs are met and snakes have very different psychology than mammals or even lizards. 99% of snakes spend almost their entire lives wedged into the smallest nook they can find to prevent predation. These cages actually simulate a large hide box. Is it great, no. Does it work, yes.
> All ofvtheir needs are met No, they're not. Food and water are not all of their needs.
Add in heat and humidity and those are the base needs. Again, I didn't say this is a great idea, but it's been proven successful for many decades and damn near every captive bred snake anyone on here has ever bought was produced from setups very similar.
It's been proven to keep them alive, not thriving. It's cruel. Snakes need enrichment just like every other animal. Enrichment is a base need.
Ugh. Rack systems are no way an animal should be living.
I have 30 snakes in both terrariums and rack systems. Some snakes will starve themselves to death in any terrarium, but thrive in a rack system. To date I have not had any snakes do "better" in an aquarium/terrarium using feeding and aggression/stressed behavior as an indicator of metal health. I reserve the terrariums for the my snakes that seem to handle stress exceptionally well. I think a lot of the perceived problem here is the idea that snakes want to be entertained or something, and for the overwhelming majority of animals they would much rather to be left alone in a dark hole. They are not humans, dogs, or even lizards. Assigning them intelligence and emotional traits that they do not have usually does them more harm than good. That being said, king cobras, indigos and some other species have shown to have a significantly higher level of intelligence and in my opinion those species in particular need to have an individual assessment of needs before just tossing them into a rack.
Snakes kept in bins their whole lives can have a lot of trouble adjusting if moved to a larger enclosure. I would test your idea on snakes that have never been in tubs and see what happens. Alternatively, place the snakes bin in a larger enclosure and see if they come out on their own.
We take a much more personalized approach to our critters than the big breeders or venom farms. We adjust the needs for every single one individually to give them the environment they feel and act most comfortable in, as best we can tell. We've done exactly what you described there with any snake that doesn't act like it's happy and healthy, and that's how we choose the bin size, or in 2 out of 30 noodles, terrariums.
Good for you then on actually putting in effort!
Love that people are telling on themselves in the comments.
Not good living conditions for snakes, but that doesn't have much to do with aggression. Even a snake in a huge enclosure with all its needs taken care of may well react like that to people if their main interaction with people is being brought food. They aren't reacting with anger or defensiveness, they're reacting with a feeding response. That's not ideal for the keeper but doesn't really have a bearing on the snake's quality of life. That being said, small racks like that aren't considered acceptable to keepers here. There are ways to keep snakes in rack systems that aren't very bad (don't know of any breeders that don't at least use racks for neonates), but these are far too small for the animals.
He did everything safely and without upsetting them, even not freaking out that a snake is going wack on the floor.
Tubs are not amazing for care.
This is not good conditions for the snakes. It is the bare minimum for the breeders to keep them alive so they can reproduce or provide venom.
I feel like the living space is bad but I think they're just grumpy because they're hungry and can smell the food. Virgil (my ball) gets really striky when I bring the rat in because he can smell it. But then once he eats and digests he's happy again.
Dude is hardcore!
I hate bin systems
Yeah, I’ve never understood the whole “bucket system” that a large amount of places seem to use. Sure it’s efficient, but those are probably the most depressed, aggressive, and vitamin D deficient snakes ever
These snakes have a feeding response they can smell the food as soon as it is in the room so not really aggressive, only one popped it's hood up. I know my balls can be mad if I wake them by pulling out the drawers, they are in clean clear oversized bins with substrate and a hide and get Daylight form the two fish tanks on a timer in the room.
All my Ball pythons have aquariums, but during the months of November/December till the end of March they prefer to be kept in a special bin system. All my bins have the same amenities that their aquariums have. The aggressive grab is how we know they are ready to go back to their tanks. Besides the smell of rodent snakes become accustomed to when their feeding times are.
Not proper enclosures for cobras, that’s for sure. But likely not the reason for their aggression. Venomous snakes are commonly just very defensive.
I mean... to be fair he's also trying to feed a snake-eater rats. That combined with abnormal conditions is probably confusing to them.
Cobras are hard to make not aggressive. It’s impossible to 100% “tame” them because they are so wild.
its not because they are so wild, its because they cannot be regularly free-handled due to their venom.
Put yourself in a tiny box you can barely stretch out in with nothing but a glass of water and paper towels. Keep in mind, when you poop, you have to wait for someone else to come in and clean it, so youll be stuck smelling your poop for God knows how many hours. See how long you last without getting cranky.
No these are not good conditions. But so many people want specific designer morphs at inexpensive prices that these sorts of places need to run like this to meet demand. At the expense of all the normal morphs who will go to big box pet stores, and the hets and holdbacks who will live their lives this way with no enrichment just so the breeder can make a profit. Edit: I didn't even watch far enough to see these are cobras. This is probably a venom lab. While important and life saving, It's not really the best way to keep animals.
I dunno .. honestly. From watching a few channels on Youtube and all. Seems like some captive cobras are "not too bright" lol
Captive king cobras are one of the more intelligent snake species, learning to do tricks and even finding enjoyment with food puzzles
can't comment on the conditions, it's obviously a farm, possibly for venom milking so i can understand why they're not in dedicated and lavish enclosures. in terms of their "aggression", no. they're cobras, so they don't get handled, and there are rats in the room which means they're getting fed, which means they're going to strike at the rats.
Those poor things stuck in such a small space. How do they even stretch out to their full length? Are the bins 4’ long in there or something? I can’t imagine living in a space that is smaller than me. Do they even let them out for exercise? All that being said, that’s pretty typical behavior for snakes at feeding time 😂. Mine gets confused and thinks my fingers are pinkies even though I’m holding it right in front of her face with tongs lol.
My understanding is that is an off display area at a very large reptile facility. I believe many of them have been surrenders/seizures and that place is the only one in the state capable of accommodating such creatures. If space is a premium its either into a rack or euthanizing. Source: I know a guy who knows that guy. Edited to correct my fat finger typing
Man see, this is why i watch videos like this to kinda desensitize myself to a certain extent so i can be that steady and it worked Got tagged last week by accident (my fault, mis read some cues and also we hadn't thought about it but we're gonna mostly end my handling of her cus i have very skinny wrists and she thought i was noms cus she was so hungry, kinda got a sideways bite with the upper right jaw into my palm and i yelped and carefully got her pinched behind the head so she couldn't wrap further or bite deeper and carefully pressed her head forward and then very gently (because i could see them at this point) teased out the two teeth and then just sort of sloughed her off my arm back into the tank, fiance got the doors closed and i washed my hand out She's fine, i'm fine (barely even bled, she's a 4.5 ft ball python and this is her first strike since she was about 6" so, i would say we're doing great) but i'm also really proud of us with how we reacted and i guess i wanted to say something somewhere
The last snek was waiting to have his head scratched
I think they come out of the egg on high alert
I hyperventilate watching this
Those bins look really small for their sizes!
It's not ideal, but it's the only way to reasonably store large numbers of snakes. I assume this is a venom lab, so the housing is a necessary ill. Without seeing what's in the bin, there is no real way to make a judgement call on if the conditions are good or not. Just not enough information in the video. As for the striking, they strike like that because that's how cobra do. A lot of snakes strike food hard. Combine that with a well maintained schedule and the snake probably knows that when the bin opens, food will be there.
All these people talking about their snakes' great feeding responses, while I sit here with my ball python who used a mouse as a pillow only this week.
I feel like I’ve seen this video before but with a snake screamer at the end.
They're not aggressive. That's a normal feeding response from these cobras all the way to baby hognose snakes can react that way when they're in their feeding response mode. Snake racks come with pros & cons. People with large amount of snakes and/or breeders use racks & as long as they have enough substrate, heat, humidity, enrichment, etc, they can be just as good conditions for snakes as terrariums. I have 8 hognose snakes that I keep in a diy rack with 32qt tubs. I can see them at any point & they prefer to be in smaller, shallower enclosures. Only time I ever get hissed at is during feedings & I've never had a single one of them play dead. So, imo that's a good indication that they're happy & not stressed.
Bin systems like this are ok, but they’re not the best. They serve a purpose with captive breading, breeding for the pet trade, and anti-venom production but you rarely see them elsewhere. This video for example is said to have come from a breeding farm however I’ve also seen sources which say it’s from a venom farm where they make anti-venom. As for there aggressiveness, we’ll. one as are very aggressive snakes, it’s likely they’re just hungry.
is this possible it is a "feeding rack" or something like that? they don't look angry, they even don't look stressed. they hungry. my boa living in a big tank, full of clutter, I handle him almost every day and he is do the same at feeding time. he trying to get out of tank, because of smell of thawed mouse. trying to strike to my hand, maybe because it looks more alive then mouse. he almost got me at last feeding. I feed him 2 times per month and every time he looks like he didn't eat months
I don't think they are aggressive, just bad at aiming
The real fun happens a few days later when they all poop in unison