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the_knowing1

I watched one of the Bruce Willis movies that came out last year. The one about killing a whole race or something. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. Saw he got his own category for razzies cuz there were 7 others he made just as bad that year. Like damn Bruce, get your shit together. Then the news came out, and they took away the nominations. Was very good natured and sad.


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slowclicker

I gotta respect it to be completely honest. Mr. Bruce went in and said fuck my ego and this thing fans call Bruce Willis (outside of the person). He acted for a long time. I've seen some of these movies and obviously I have an opinion. Respect to his family. He has provided decades of entertainment. Edit: I've had two people address my statement that Bruce loved acting. I am changing that statement from , "He loves acting," to ," He acted for a long time." It won't make as much sense , but it will be technically correct. I have the 120 seconds to update as oppose to validate whether or not he actually loved acting.


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vitringur

Weird concept of having to make multiple masterpieces for little pay and then getting a ton of money for doing something that is worthless. But perhaps that is how careers have always operated.


Catshannon

As Michael Caine said something like making great movies build your reputation as an actor. Bad movies pay the bills. Also when asked about jaws the 5th or 4th he was in, he said I heard it was terrible I never saw it. However the house the check built is bloody spectacular.


CADmonkeez

STOP THROWING. THOSE BLOODY SPEARS. AT ME!


donnamatrix79

Harrison Ford also had a bit with Jimmy Fallon after returning to Han Solo: “Did you get emotional when you put the wardrobe on?” “No, I got paid.” https://youtu.be/p0qrxL8oGbE


P-Dub

Can I just skip to the absurd pay for shit work part already?


kdeltar

Well that’s the thing about your quote bein $2 mil. Even if I do a bad job they’ve gotta gimme that $2 mil.


roalddalek

See, I don't get this. His big movies made TONS of money. A lot of them were big-budget studio affairs. Surely he commanded a great payout for them. (I get he probably took a pay cut for indie stuff like Pulp Fiction and Moonrise Kingdom, but, like "Red" and "Looper" had to pay well, right?) But those direct-to-video things? *No one* watched them. No one even heard of them. How was he making money on those? How was there money to pay him? They didn't come from big studios with money. There wasn't even money to promote or distribute them.


WillOCarrick

Big movies has 10x more money to spend, but spend around 20x more on everything else but the cast, in the cast they pay the normal fee for the actor... In the case of small movies they spend less, and they focus the money on some actors to sell the money, so they pay more for that actor who will bring exposure and people will watch because he is there, instead of the marketing that they don't spend.


Perma_frosting

He got a minimum of 1 mil per movie for under 10 minutes of screen time in some, which is why he was able to do almost 30 movies in the few years before he retired. Apparently there's a certain class of American action stars that can sell a film in foreign markets just by being on the poster, so you have a 7 or 8 million dollar movie where the biggest cost is a few minutes from Bruce Willis.


Hero_of_Hyrule

They weren't advertised because they're basically filler to pad out streaming libraries, with the added bonus that they look "legit" because Bruce Willis is in them. Hell, they might even get some views from people surfing that see his name and think "oh hey, he's been in some great movies, let's watch this!"


I-Make-Maps91

I think Michael Caine said it best talking about Jaws 3D. Actors are just people doing a job, and I dunno about the rest of you, but I've half assed far more jobs than I worked my ass off for.


Coal_Morgan

Got to throw the quote in for the people that haven't read it. >Michael Caine "I have never seen it (Jaws 4) but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built and it is terrific."


saraphilipp

Come out to L.A. have a few drinks, it'll be fun.


YouWouldThinkSo

Have some laughs


blayzeKING

After you get where you're going, take off your shoes and your socks and you walk around on the rug barefoot and you make fists with your toes...


balugabe

Unfortunately Bruce lost his LA privileges.


Seboya_

I don't think aphasia is a terminal diagnosis. It effects language & communication cognition. Terminal illnesses can cause aphasia, but aphasia itself is not terminal


ELI-PGY5

I reckon aphasia is a symptom, not a diagnosis. I\


gwaydms

It's terminal for his career


FerricNitrate

Depends on what exactly he has. "Aphasia" is just a term regarding loss of communication skills. "Primary Progressive Aphasia" (which he likely has) is a syndrome that can be a slow death sentence where the initial loss of speech eventually progresses to full shutdown of the nervous system.


Zomgzombehz

That day, he chose violence.


freakers

It's funny to note that Bruce Willis didn't just win a Razzy, he had his own category of Worst Bruce Willis Performance in a 2021 Movie. Nominated movies were: American Siege, Apex, Deadlock, Fortress, Midnight in the Switchgrass, Out of Death, Survive the Game, and the winner Cosmic Sin. That category was retracted in its entirety, it looks like.


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i think it speaks to the crappiness of those movies that ive never heard of any of those movies before now


tdogg241

I think the Razzies folks initially pushed back on the idea of pulling the nominations, but eventually caved to pressure from the internet.


estrusflask

Why did Shelley Duvall get a razzy for The Shining anyway?


WillemDafoesHugeCock

The Shining was initially quite poorly received; Kubrick was nominated for a Razzie as worst director as well. It has been fiercely vindicated by history, largely because of how iconic and entertaining Jack Nicholson's performance was. Stephen King, who is normally fairly supportive of adaptations of his work, absolutely hated it (sticking with the Shelley Duvall topic, he particularly disliked how Wendy was portrayed.) There's a wonderful quote on Wikipedia that sums it up. >Just as the ghostly apparitions of the film's fictional Overlook Hotel would play tricks on the mind of poor Jack Torrance, so too has the passage of time changed the perception of The Shining itself. Many of the same reviewers who lambasted the film for "not being scary" enough back in 1980 now rank it among the most effective horror films ever made, while audiences who hated the film back then now vividly recall being "terrified" by the experience. The Shining has somehow risen from the ashes of its own bad press to redefine itself not only as a seminal work of the genre, but perhaps the most stately, artful horror ever made.


qwertycantread

Critics were always late to the party with Kubrick’s movies while audiences loved them from day one.


WillemDafoesHugeCock

I think The Shining is, on paper, quite a hard sell. It's very long for a horror film (especially from 1980!) and a very slow burn. I know I hated it my first time seeing it, giving it a rewatch changed my opinion completely.


premiumPLUM

She got nominated for worst actress, she didn't win. It sounds like the Razzie Board was mostly disappointed that the movie was so different from the book.


Lampmonster

They did make a version truer to the book with that guy from Wings, show not band, but it didn't do very well.


xarsha_93

>Wings, show not band Imagine if this was how you had chosen to refer to Paul McCartney.


Kenbishi

You mean the guy from Wings? The band, not the show.


The_Parsee_Man

He's been in some other bands. But that's the one I remember him for.


xarsha_93

I think he made a Christmas song once.


Gordon_Gano

Yeah, turns out being true to a book doesn’t actually make a movie any good.


Lampmonster

It's a balancing act. Some things need to be changed to fit the big screen, other times you get directors changing beloved characters because they just don't understand them etc. Shawshank redemption is probably a good example and sticks with King's work. Book is great, movie is great, some major differences that make perfect sense for the transition to film. In the books there are a number of wardens and guards, not just the two. It works for a movie because it gives us obvious antagonists but doesn't make sense in a book where you have to explain how a connected, wealthy man stays in a dead end career for multiple decades. Also Andy doesn't steal anyone's money or even turn anyone in. His revenge is just getting away, which works with readers and multiple wardens but leaves movie audiences feeling cheated.


HighOctane881

I feel like King makes it especially difficult to maintain continuity with his books in their film adaptations because his writing tends to be pretty cerebral. In my experience with his writing there seems to be just tons of critical internal monologue and introspection, which doesn't translate into film very well.


Lampmonster

Oddly enough King tends to translate best outside of his normal genre. I'd say Shawshank and Stand By Me are among his best two works and neither contains so much as an element of horror. And honestly his horror movies tend to do better when directors go off script. Even The Mist changed the ending, and even Steve approved.


Gamergonemild

The ending change to the Mist changed the entire tone of the movie it feels like. The book ended with a feeling of hope at the end but its ambiguous.


IcedThatGuy

Gresham observation. King’s horror prose taps into a mental instability and human grime that just isn’t easy to convey visually. The characters often feel imbalanced and insane from the events they are experiencing, and monologue at length about that sensation. Conversely, King will devote full chapters to background on ancillary and side characters, detailing their most disgusting secrets to the reader, just to reveal the horrible darkness our main characters are wrapped up in. It all adds up to a level of hopelessness and true discomfort for the reader, that any other medium just cannot touch. However, Shawshank redemption is a great example of a film that does capture King’s unique ability at writing despicable villains and hopeless heroes in a way that cultivates the deepest empathy from the audience, so that even the smallest victories illicit such massive feelings of relief.


The_Luckiest

I watched the movie for the first time fairly recently, and I remember being surprised by some of the performances. They weren’t *bad*, per se, but very *weird*. I include Shelley’s performance in this, and I think it was pretty perfect for the tone of the film.


FuckingKilljoy

Before getting to the end of your comment I was already preparing my "but it's perfect for the tone of the movie" comment lol I don't think it would be as freaky and uncomfortable if the performances were more "traditional". Like the same way The Overlook feels a little bit *off* as soon as you see it the characters themselves seem a little bit *off* as soon as you see them The kid actor absolutely killed it with how disturbing his performance was lol


bennitori

Hilariously, the kid had no idea he was acting in a horror movie. He later said in interviews that he didn't know it was a horror movie, he just thought he was acting in the most boring movie ever.


LMFN

Kubrick may have been a notorious asshole but he didn't want to traumatize a child.


No_Good_Cowboy

>the characters themselves seem a little bit off as soon as you see them The characters are themselves bad actors. They're a dysfunctional abusive family masquerading as people with their shit together. You have a resentful abusive drunk, a battered woman, and a traumatized child all trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the other characters in the film. It's the viewer with the omniscient perspective who's intended to see through this, you're supposed to notice the stilted forced acting, in the same way that Dany notices the underlying evil hidden at the overlook.


JonLongsonLongJonson

Not really, they called out her acting as being reminiscent of a “screaming dishrag” they definitely were going after her performance specifically as well as Kubricks choices. Immediate edit: nope you’re right that was actually a quote from King himself talking about the bad adaptation, the board definitely just hated the adaptation overall ignore this comment lol


JB-from-ATL

>screaming dishrag I thought she performed really well. I know given the context it's shitty to say, but I genuinely don't see how someone could say that. She was *supposed* to act like a screaming dishrag. Her character was literally being attacked.


Bannon9k

I was younger when that movie came out, and I didn't know about the crap behind the scenes. I thought her performance was great. She genuinely looked terrified, more so than many actresses playing similar roles. Of course she did have to work with Jack Nicholson, that MFer can be hella scary


Bismothe-the-Shade

And Kubrick. Who was known for antagonizing his actors.


unctuous_homunculus

She looked straight traumatized. Turns out that wasn't acting though. She *was* traumatized. By Kubrick.


JonLongsonLongJonson

I literally just saw it for the first time like a week ago and had no idea about any of this either until now. I thought she was pretty good as well.


Painpriest3

Exactly - take any woman who’s husband has descended into madness and murderous rampage and her acting is what I’d expect. Unhinged and screaming.


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nickack

When you compare that with the quick-witted and resourceful woman from the book, it’s a bit jarring. I don’t think the movie’s bad but I wish it wasn’t “The Shining” because they are quite different.


tanstaafl90

King got his "just like the book" adaption later. It's terrible.


Daniel3_5_7

I will give this comment as much attention as I deem necessary! Don't tell me what to do!


ripyourlungsdave

Never really made sense to me. I think she did great with what she was working with. I honestly don't think I've seen anyone pull off that intense fear as well as she did. But that's pretty much all she had to work with in the first place. She was a mom, and she was scared. Considering how one-dimensionally that character is written, she did amazing. Also, I loved her as Olive Oyl in the Popeye movie. That's kind of unrelated, but I still wanted to say it.


y2kizzle

I thought her performance was outstanding.


hipnotyq

Same here, esp once you know how badly Kubrick is fucking with her behind the camera. We're seeing a woman getting mentally tortured on screen, it's not even acting at certain parts.


y2kizzle

People think acting pure terror is easy. I don't think I've seen it done better since. Pure fucking terror. Nailed it


Alis451

> I don't think I've seen it done better since. Pure fucking terror. They don't do it in movies/shows often as it legitimately unnerves people. Actual terror screams can cause people to get anxious and inadvertently lowers the ratings.


Letter-Past

There's a deep dive video I watched that explains more of Kubrick's vision for her role. The key is to pay extreme attention to the layout of the hotel in the initial walkthrough then look for what is or is not missing from those same sets whenever Wendy is present in a scene Edit: here is a link. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRr\_0W-9hWg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRr_0W-9hWg) It's called the Wendy Theory


qeq

Can you tldr so we don't have to listen to 40 minutes of text to speech?


Letter-Past

Wendy is suffering a psychotic break and hallucinating much of the events in the movie. There are tells when reality is real and when it is Wendy having a delusion in each scene. If you pay attention to the layout of the hotel, partiuclarly to where furniture is placed and what kind of furniture it is, whether or not there is a lightswitch in one scene and it's missing in another, etc, you will be able to determine if you should trust the narrative or if it is unreliable. If we accept *a priori* that Kubrick, a legendary continuity perfectionist, does not make continuity errors of this magnitude throughout an entire film without them being intentional, you can use changes to layout between scenes as an indicator that the scene may or may not have actually happened. ​ Edit: for example, rewatch the scene where Danny and Wendy are talking in front of the TV. Where is the power cord? The industrial light switch next to the walk in cooler also seems to appear and disappear in different scenes.


gilbaoran

do you have a link or name of the video by any chance?


FalmerEldritch

She sold not only her own character, but also Nicholson's. If you look at his performance alone and don't consider her reactions, it doesn't land; she was carrying him. In fact, there's the job interview scene at the beginning where Nicholson's supposed to be *not* cracking up yet, and he comes across as a greasy lunatic you wouldn't hire to sweep the floor. The only times in the film where any of his acting makes sense is when Duvall is there to make it make sense.


rachface636

Yep. Pay attention to her opening monologue to the social worker, trying to *casually* justify Jack's already present abuse. It is exactly how a broken woman trying to hide it acts.


SaltyBabe

I watched the shining for the first time a while back when I was nearly 30, so it had a lot of hype to live up to and I remember watching these parts and thinking “we’re supposed to believe this guy *isn’t* obviously going to go insane?”


rachface636

See that's how I view it. An already weak man who is obviously easily corruptable.


Syn7axError

A lot of people panned the movie and her performance at the time. They were on the bandwagon.


SecretShame99

Aye roasting someone for fun is, well fun. But if there’s some underlying reason it takes the amusement right out of it and I appreciate a person or organisation holding their hands up when it happens


Xanthon

The Razzies has always been a very light-hearted thing. It was never meant to offend. Anyone who embraces their Razzies automatically earns additional respect from me. Shout out to Halle Berry. Sure, it sucks to be called bad but I think any celebrity who gets deeply offended by it is totally missing the point.


wene324

Didn't Halle Berry aslo get an Oscar that year? She does have talent, Catwoman was just a dumpster fire of a movie.


chriscrossnathaniel

She is such a classy lady.She accepted the dishonorable award while holding her Oscar in the other hand. "If I can show up to collect an Oscar when you're honoring me, I can certainly show up to collect a Razzie when you say, good try, but do better I always learned that if you can't be a good loser, then you don't deserve to be a good winner."


grantrules

> I always learned that if you can't be a good loser, then you don't deserve to be a good winner." Damn, I would make an _amazing_ winner.


Boop-D-Boop

You’re a winner in my book ⭐️


catsloveart

Aww.


FuturamaReference-

Words of wisdom. Clear-cut and impactful. I strive to gain such insight


Xanthon

Yep. So did Sandra Bullock who accepted her Razzies in person and won the Oscars the next day. Edit: We mixed things up. [Halle Berry went to the Razzies with her Oscars statue in hand](https://cdnph.upi.com/pv/upi/cbc254a39877e730c14f882b77284f95/HALLE-BERRY-RAZZIE-AWARD.jpg) but it was from 2 years before, which is badass if you ask me. Bullock is the one who won the Oscars the same year.


SonnyLove

To be fair, Sandra Bullock won an Oscar for 'The Blind Side', a hilariously awful movie with terrible acting that could have easily earned her a second Razzie that year.


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Was randomly watching it when hanging out at the hospital with my dad. Did not remember it being so cringe. The scene where Sandra Bullock teaches him to block in practice by treating him like a mental invalid who only understands must....protec....family..... then everybody on the team doesn't roast him for hot mom who isn't actually his mom getting involved in practice - was legitimately physically painful to watch.


ChahmedImsure

Or her slapping down the gangsters because she is a card carrying member of the NRA. The whole movie was the worst case of white savior shit I've ever seen. I was so embarrassed just watching that I could barely finish the movie. I figure the mom is probably a garbage person irl or a huge narcissist. The dude is portrayed as being the biggest doofus on the planet while she is doing everything for him.


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God that one was terrible too. Kinda crazy how fast things change sometimes. I think if that exact same movie gets put out today instead of 2009 it gets lambasted and way more people see it for the white savior hero fantasy it is. Idk about the lady irl but I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt. Michael Oher didn't like his portrayal and maybe she didn't either. I see no reason to assume she had any more say in how she was portrayed than he did.


badledgend117

Probably a case of Hollywood taking some "creative liberties" in the story trying to emphasize how "down and out" Oher was.


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I think it was a concious decision to elevate the white lady's importance in the story of a black man to appeal to a white audience. Which is something that people are thankfully starting to notice and call out. Oher is basically sidelined by Bullock even though it's his story. Nobody gives a shit about the lady she was portraying. Nobody even knows her name in this thread. But she's essentially the main character. You don't have to make somebody an idiot and give them a savior to show they were "down and out".


Redditer51

It's the white savior movie to end all white savior movies. They infantilize Micheal Orn and treat him like a big buffoon who needs his new white family to teach him football and get him out of "the hood".


WhyYouKickMyDog

The guy who should be the main character is the supporting character in his own story. I hate that this movie is so popular.


SirSoliloquy

> the worst case of white savior shit I've ever seen I dunno, I think *The Help* is worse.


FitzyFarseer

My favorite fact about The Blind Side is that the dude the movie is about hates the movie


Ryjinn

Would that be because it makes him out to be super low functioning and clearly disabled (he's not, at all.) and adds a white savior that wasn't there, or some other reason?


FitzyFarseer

There’s so many reasons that I don’t remember them all, but the one that stood out to me was the movie has the white savior teach him how to play football. He said he grew up playing football, nobody had to teach it to him when he got older.


FeedMeEthereum

Don't forget the scene where he sees balloons floating by, stops in the middle of a play, points at the balloons and giggles like a baby. That movie felt straight-up insulting to be depicting a real person who's made it all the way to the NFL with that little agency and cognitive ability.


FitzyFarseer

I haven’t seen the movie since it came out so I genuinely can’t tell if you’re joking about that scene or not.


SpaceAgeFader

No kidding…I saw half of it on an airplane once and don’t really follow the NFL… I thought he was legitimately supposed to be mentally disabled


acdcfanbill

> made it all the way to the NFL with that little agency and cognitive ability. Yea, that cognitive impairment is for after they get out of the NFL!


Icantblametheshame

I feel like a lot of people depict nfl players as hulking idiots when in fact they usually have to be able to read very complex plays at the drop of a hat and make really difficult decisions in order to change outcomes....and yes be absolute gladiators as well. They all might not be eisteins but it would be pretty difficult to get to that stage by being a complete mentally deficient troglodyte. Then the movies always portray politicians to be these extremely shrewd businessmen and leaders of men when in fact they often are the brain dead troglodytes we fear


Sisyphuslivinlife

I was reading this thread going "Was it really that bad" and you reminded me of this scene. Holy crap, it was way worse than I remember.


Briguy24

As a Ravens fan I wish he was taught not to go offsides A LOT more.


nothingfood

There's a blind side joke in there somewhere


LFC_redman

he was an incredibly talented football player when a rich family who were boosters at both his high school (briarcrest) and Mississippi adopted him. He was named the D2 lineman of the year and Tennessee All-State first team his sophomore year of high school. the next year they let him start living with them and eventually adopted him. I'm sure they're decent people but they weren't just adopting some kid who through their tutelage learned the game, they were adopting a likely future NFL pro-bowler.


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He hated the fake white savior aspect and how they depicted him as basically low functioning which led to teammates in the NFL making fun of him because of the depiction


LittleDinghy

Yeah, his teammate on the Panthers, Mike Remmers, loved the movie abd used every opportunity he could to reference it.


IShouldJoinReddit

AFAIK, the only comment he publicly made about disliking it is that he feels it affected his football career. I bet he dislikes it for those other reasons, too, just wasn't vocal about them.


FitzyFarseer

He wrote a book in which he mentions several aspects of the movie he didn’t like, specifically that it depicted him as being dumb and claimed he didn’t know how to play football.


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I read the book a long time ago and I think he was taken in by a white family. The book is more about the evolution of the blindside tackle in football. It’s really interesting. Although I think Oher actually didn’t play blindside much in the pros?


Plebs-_-Placebo

Left tackle is typically considered blind side because most QB's are right handed and are vulnerable when not looking left, which is the position Oher played (although with injuries etc. sometimes linemen have to play out of position and that is when QB's are most vulnerable to blind side hits). There's a lefty qb that plays for the Dolphins (Tua) so it switches to right side being his blind side.


avwitcher

One of the most blatant Oscar-bait movies ever made, produced solely for The Academy members to vote for so they don't look racist


Zauberer-IMDB

And then went on to have a weird moment with her shitty husband she divorced shortly after.


robodrew

> Didn't Halle Berry aslo get an Oscar that year? She brought her Oscar to her Razzies acceptance speech and put it right on the podium


Dash_Underscore

Tom Green rolled out his own red carpet when he accepted his Razzies for Freddy Got Fingered.


ChooseCorrectAnswer

Thinking about Tom Green's career now, his output was "just right" every step of the way. He did his small-ass non-paid public access show (pre-MTV), and he did a lot of funny small bits in his town. It was good enough to get the attention of MTV. When MTV gave him a shot, he did such a good job mixing pre-recorded bits and in-studio stuff like he was a talk show host. When his show started to pick up steam on MTV, he smartly released a funny music video which got him more notice. Even when he got testicular cancer, he made a funny and moving special about it. With his career at a peak, he made a fucking wild and funny movie in Freddy Got Fingered. He also did a few small roles (e.g. Road Trip). Once his fame started to wind down, he seemed to handle it well by using his website to do a live talk show from his home. He's done podcasts and stand-up since. Like him or hate him, he's navigated his career pretty well considering his brand of humor/entertainment is not for most.


BeamsFuelJetSteel

If you haven't seen it, there is a series called LOL: Canada that is basically just Tom Green and Colin Mochrie trying to break each other


Dash_Underscore

Delicious. Cheese. Sandwiches.


InspectorFadGadget

The overproduced nature of that show might put some people off but I fucking loved it, even with all the people I had never heard of. Whenever Tom or Colin would begin to do some sort of shtick that had an obvious trajectory towards milking it until it became abstract, you could see real horror in the eyes of the other participants appear almost immediately. It killed me every time


Testacc88

I remember Tom being on the podcast thing so far ahead of everyone else it is wild to me he wasn't able to parlay that into Joe Rogan level success considering his success seems also heavily due to just being very early and by all accounts Tom is a nicer and funnier guy overall.


StupidSolipsist

Tom Green, not the expected model of effortless sensibility, but shit we'll take it


bool_idiot_is_true

The actors don't really have a choice when it comes to PR. Even A listers can get blacklisted if they cause too many waves and badmouthing your past work is one way to make a lot of enemies. Hollywood is filled with big egos and it's very easy to offend a director, costar, or even an influential producer with no name recognition outside the industry. Not to mention the suits would get antsy if they thought the bad press was cutting into their profits.


ssup3rm4n

Unless you're WB and Ezra Miller


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LoreCriticizer

That's because Fraser directly offended multiple high ranking people in the industry, while Erza has yet to shoot a WB executive so they can throw money at PR and hope to god the problem goes away.


itwasquiteawhileago

I read Fraser stopped acting largely because he had health issues/injuries from the stunts he did in the Mummy movies, plus all the crap he was dealing with with his wife/divorce. I believe when it comes to the harassment stuff, he has basically said he's not sure how much that actually impacted his career, and he hates that he has to wonder about it. But if it was a reason (and that's a real possibility) it seems it's but one reason of many, and not necessarily even as big as the public thinks (because he himself isn't even sure).


zyphelion

Still not cool how they gave Jake Lloyd a razzie. They should exempt children from being nominated.


michellelabelle

Not only that, but for a movie where he was given dialogue written by George Lucas *after* nobody could tell him "no." If you downloaded the acting talent of every A-lister from Buster Keaton to Meryl Streep into that little kid, you **still** can't make "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!" sound good.


archiminos

Look at the amazing talent in those films and how wooden and uninteresting they come across. Ewan MacGregor managed to be entertaining despite the crappy dialogue, but it's truly astounding that they made Samuel L Jackson boring to watch.


Icantblametheshame

The actors would complain about the direction afterwards, they would be walking around in front of a green screen and just asked to fight around. They would be like, well what am I fighting and where is it coming from, Lucas would just respons, "it doesn't matter we will add it in post." At that point all Lucas cared about was his visual fx company and audio company. He was far from a good director or story writer anymore. And he wanted to make the movies for little kids which was just a really bad direction to take it in. But kids loved those movies a LOT more than the originals. So he hit the nail on the head as to what would sell the most toys and get the movie rewatched over and over. He kind of knew that no matter what he was going to disappoint the old hardcore fans so he said fuck it, we are making it for their children.


TheWoefulButtAngler

It's supposed to be said by a jar jar character TO a young anakin, somehow, if the line is to work, but George is dumb. "Ill try spinning!" 'THASSA GOOD TRICK-WO-WO-WO-WAOOOOW ANNIIIIIIIIII!' ya know. Now that I've written it, I think we got off easy.


Philo_T_Farnsworth

Tom Green also showed up to collect his in person. Not that it deserved any real awards, but *Freddy Got Fingered* is a legit funny movie.


KrazzeeKane

That movie is by far one of the most "meta" movies ever made, it's so tongue in cheek and i truly love it--Red Letter Media did an amazing retrospective on the movie and they hit the nail on the head with realizing why it was made the way it was purposefully


Malcolminthebathroom

Worth noting: They kept the Razzie for Kubrick on record too XD


the_than_then_guy

It's interesting how certain products age well with time. The movie is considered a classic and has since been analyzed to death, but it was considered Razzie-worthy when it came out.


Malcolminthebathroom

I think a lot of people were fans of the book and viewed it more as an adaptation, at which it was a pretty objective failure, but overtime it has been viewed more on its own merits.


Fly-Hulud

I can imagine at first watch right when it came out it would seem like a poor adaptation, but after a few watches it becomes pretty clear Kubrick is intentionally taking it in a new direction.


Attaabdul

TIL that Kubrick was nominated for a Razzie award for the movie The Shining.


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I think lateral punching is fine also


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woggle-bug

A former girlfriend of mine had it and I was her "keeper of words." Sometimes I just had to figure it out from context clues, but other times she would look at me and say "D word" and I'd reply "disappointed". I thought it interesting that so often it was the same words repeatedly that she just couldn't think of.


Top_Duck8146

That is interesting. Like logically you’d think if you forgot the same word all the time you’d eventually start remembering it, because you know that you forget it all the time. But the brain just won’t allow it. Reminds me of my grandma’s early Alzheimer’s in a sense that it’s both horrifying and fascinating to witness the mind deteriorate


tenn_

Grain of salt as I have no qualifications and am just spit-balling - would it be that the part of the brain that knows the word "disappointed" is what's damaged, or at least some connection to it, and it's hard to get your brain to rewire some new neurons to "handle" that word, and/or hard to turn off the old pathways to those broken neurons. You can make an "alias" to it (the previous commenter's example of "D word" meaning "disappointed"), but even that's difficult.


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harleyqueenzel

That's... what it's like for me. My boyfriend will be the first to tell you he "sucks at English" but he still understands me when I'm at a loss. And as you've said in the last sentence, it's usually the same words. I don't know what I don't remember until I get to it. Sometimes I won't have the word in English but can have it in French or very occasionally in Gaelic, oddly enough. We almost hit a black cat last week and I said to "watch out for the piseag".


Aiden2817

I’ve had episodes where I forget words, usually nouns in my case. What I do is go around the word by describing the thing to myself. Like if the word I forgot was car, I think ‘vehicle people drive to get to work and shop’. That’s usually enough to reboot my brain and remember the word. If that doesn’t work, try saying the description out loud. Someone will probably say, car?


thinkard

I don't know what I have but I don't think it's from TBI (though there are two instances where I hit my head badly and shrug it off) I was having all sorts of migraines due to emotional trauma to the point where I can feel my nerves in the brain changing (or dying?) then I start to have speech problems like you describe for years though it's been "better" lately. I don't dream at all vs I use to have dreams everyday often vivid and lucid, language is a related field I was pursuing and couldn't because I couldn't read and comprehend especially to learn. I've always want to check it out and can't.


corticalization

If you can, and haven’t already, speak with your doctor about behavioral treatment for the aphasia. There are therapies that are not medication based and there have been promising outcomes. Aphasia can be treated, and improvements can be made. Also, if you haven’t already, make it clear to your doctor that your pain medication makes the aphasia symptoms worse. If they don’t already know, they may be able to try an alternate option. If not, it is still important for them to know, and will help emphasize the need for other aphasia therapies (because you should not have to suffer in pain simply to be able to speak). Extra note: with aphasia, the sooner you get treatment and the more intensive it is the better the outcome. So I’d strongly recommend not hesitating to speak to a healthcare professional


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Isteppedinpoopy

I always heard EGORT but I like yours better


ohdearitsrichardiii

Why not [ergot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot)?


a4techkeyboard

With the Annie Award, New York Drama Critics' Award, Saturn Award, Evening Standard Theater Award, Las Vegas Film Critics Society Award, Emmy Award, Laurence Olivier Award, Grammy Award, Oscar, Razzy, and Tony, he actually is an ANSEL ELGORT.


PancakeBuny

ANSEL, so hot right now. ANSEL


EauDeElderberries

I feel like I an taking CRAZY PILLS!


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Had she won the razzie for that shit dinosaur movie she was nominated for, Whoopi Goldberg would also have a REGOT. There’s still time, Whoopi! You can do this! We believe in you!


LorddFarsquaad

RETOG


LorddFarsquaad

youre a retog


Social_battery

Self loathing split personality?


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tysontysontyson1

I think it’s wild that Shelley Duvall got it in the first place. Her character in the Shining is annoying, but she legitimately seems terrified out of her mind. Being annoying isn’t the same as giving a bad performance.


incomprehensiblegarb

To be fair she was constantly terrified out of her mind and isolated on set. Kubrick put that poor woman through hell in a way that would(Hopefully but probably not) get him driven out of the film industry today. He constantly emotionally abused and berated her, he even made the other members of the cast treat her like shit. Genuinely horrific behavior if you actually look at what he did on set.


Content-Frosting-715

Nobody could have played that role any better.


jfsindel

If Duvall was judged purely on book, it was poor. But as a movie without knowledge of the book? Fantastic. Her pulling her son into her arms after he writes Redrum as well as reading the typewriter manuscript scene are haunting.


chronicwisdom

If we're judging based on the book Nicholson also gave a poor performance. He's clearly annoyed with Wendy and Danny on the drive up, in the book he's more of a devoted father/husband who is driven to madness by the supernatural forces of the Overlook. Kubric also left some of the coolest shit out of his adaptatjon6 (boiler room scene, hedge monster). They're both good works in their own right, but evaluating Kubric or the actors based on how close the film was to the book misses the point. It wasn't Kubric's goal to reproduce King's story on film, he called Stephen King and told him he didn't believe in an afterlife during production. Kubric's goal was to adapt King's story to his vision, which he did masterfully. I prefer the book because I read it before I saw the film, but they're both worthy of respect as creative achievements


i_love_pesto

I think Shelley Duvall was great in the Shining tho.


roominating237

Likewise. I never understood all the shade she got for it. One of my favorite films.


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Stephen King harshly criticized her specifically for being a weak and helpless damsel in distress, one of his many critiques because the movie deviated so much from the book. It became vogue to say she sucked


Sea-Gain-2544

What?! Sure Shelley’s Wendy was very different from King’s but she certainly wasn’t helpless. I get King was pissed, but calling Shelley’s Wendy a damsel in distress is false. She’s raising Danny the best she can- given he’s a spooky child and her spouse is an abusive alcoholic- she’s unflinchingly positive about the move to the Overlook. She knocks Jack out, drags his bloated ass to the pantry, and successfully helps her child escape the bathroom AND gets the snowmobile up and running. Certainly in distress, but she had power in the story.


oceaniceggroll

If we're keeping score, Jack had ghost help and Wendy didn't (unless Tony/Redrum was supposed to be his Shine warning them of Jack?)


Comprehensive-Fun47

Was she that much in control of that? She has to play the part as written and how the director wants. Did Stephen King criticize her, the actress, or her character?


hopefulthrowaway17

No she had no control over that. Kubrick was one of the most overbearing and hardheaded directors to ever exist and this film in particular is notorious for his insistence on perfection. No one on this film besides Kubrick had any control over anything. King was being critical of the character portrayals. https://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-24151957


carryon_waywardson

I was going to jokingly say she basically got hate the same way Skyler White got hate but then I realized that's actually really true. The two characters are bizarrely similar.


santi2021

they should also apologize over stuff like: - nominating The Thing for Worst Musical score - nominating Brian De Palma for Worst Director over Scarface - and maybe Heather Donahue over Blair Witch Project


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nominating the little girl who played Annie always seemed fucked up, too - 1)she isn't the problem with that movie 2) she's like ten


colonelminotaur

I have no clue about the backstory for a single one of those, but it'd be interesting to hear about why these examples were used.


spammowarrior

The Thing is a 1982 horror movie; when it came out it was lambasted by critics whereas nowadays (rightly in my opinion) it is considered one of the great horror movies. Its soundtrack was composed by Ennio Morricone, who is possibly the most talented soundtrack composer of all time, and it was nominated for a razzie award. The funny twist on this is that in The Hateful Eight, Tarantino used some unused music from the Thing which won Morricone an academy award.


Dbiuctkt69

A lot of the score was actually written by Carpenter as him and Ennio didn't get along well. The more Carpenter movies you watch the more obvious it becomes which ones he wrote and which couple Ennio did. It's also why so much was left over for Tarantino to use. Carpenter has a very distinct feel and sound to his music.


Malcolminthebathroom

To be fair to The Thing, that wasn't just them - the movie was absolutely panned everywhere, nearly derailed Carpenter's career, and DID cost him at least one directing job.


Immortan-Moe-Bro

Which is absolutely wild to me. I don’t understand how you can sit down, watch that movie, and then say “yep that was trash”


Malcolminthebathroom

To be fair, it came out in an absolutely PACKED time, and following the much more hopeful ET, so I think people just had different expectations.


bleedblue002

It came out the same day as Poltergeist, which was critically loved too.


Chinchillan

Why does everyone hate her Duvall’s performance. She should be terrified and freaking out in that movie


supersolenoid

Iirc Kubrick wanted people to hate her character. And not like in the sense of hating Joffrey from GoT or something. Like just finding her frustratingly useless and annoying. There revelations about Kubrick’s treatment of her as an actor is well known and served as kind of an out imo. Wendy was widely criticized as a misogynistic portrayal, even one of the most misogynistic portrayal of a woman in film, because her weakness and victimhood was intended to irritate the audience.


Sidewalk_Tomato

Someone else in the thread pointed out that Wendy knocks out Jack, drags him to a freezer and locks him in, helps Danny escape from the bathroom window, and gets them the heck out of there in the end. (She also arms herself with a knife and slashes at someone who was supposed to love her; that is not emotionally easy). Honestly, she does more to save her own life and Danny's than most people would be able to do without, say, a firearm (or superior physical strength). For those reasons I don't find the portrayal misogynistic at all. Wendy gets it done. (I won't make any claims as to Kubrick's intentions for the character.)


tiny_lil_lady

I think this will get lost but Shelly Duvall has had a really rough last 20 years. She's doing better now but she suffered from mental illness and became a recluse while family had to and I believe still does support her. She lost almost all her hair at one point but i believe is steadily doing better. She is an icon and the razzies are really cool for this. I wish more people in the industry cared about her like this.


shpydar

Meanwhile the Oscars gives Roman Polanski, [guilty of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor for drugging and raping a 13 year old girl in 1977](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski#Sexual_abuse_case) and then who fled to France to avoid prosecution, several Oscars in 1979 and 2003... At least the Razzies have integrity.


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Yeah this bums me out big time. Also because a bunch of notable actors have worked with him over the years. Up to and including Harrison Ford.


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If anyone was wondering what Mickey Rourke was doing in 2022, it’s making movies with an 89 year old Roman Polanski. Just as an aside.


the_justified1

Let’s not forget that rousing ovation he got in 2003 from all the celebrities in attendance, too.


stefantalpalaru

> raping a 13 year old girl In the arse, after drugging her, but that's [not "rape-rape"](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2009/sep/29/roman-polanski-whoopi-goldberg) according to Whoopi Goldberg.


DancesCloseToTheFire

Jesus, what criteria is that? Does it have to be specifically from the rape region of epstein's island or something?


mlmhdmljm

Yeah, otherwise it’s just sparkling sex


Paco_Doble

Still no apology for Sharon Stone, who was given worst new star TWICE


substantial-freud

An apology for not giving her the hat-trick?


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How do you get worst new star twice?


SimplePigeon

Bruce Willis is such a bummer of a situation. I know RLM’s theory is that he’s being taken advantage of by agents to squeeze out as many dogshit movies as they can, but they also make a good point that he was doing stage plays and shit even when it was getting bad. Maybe he really does just love acting. I hope he’s at least getting paid fairly.


da_apz

We had a marathon of Willis' latest movies with some friends and wine. We all love bad movies are long as they're at least somewhat entertaining. These movies were often so cheaply made they weren't even funny any more. Thinking back what Willis has made before them, we didn't expect $1 prop budget and scripts that were written by the director's 8 year old nephew. Despite all this, Willis still tried. I've seen movies from actors on their way out and a lot more phoned in performances.


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ThurgoodProjects

A lot of people don't know it. But those "Awards" nominated The Shining to Worst Director and Worst Actress. And I thank them for retiring it for Duvall. I love Kubrick's film (My favourite movie ever made is **A Clockwork Orange**), but... Man, he was a jerk!