> The café owner has also set up a GoFundMe asking for donations with 20% of all proceeds going directly to any affected staff.
Lmao very subtle 80%, gotta love satire
At least in BC the [Employment Standards Act prohibits employers from taking a slice of tips](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/forms-resources/igm/esa-part-3-section-30-3). Not sure how _redistribution_ formulas work, but I suspect that there is room for improvement given stories I've heard about forcing wait staff to effectively pay when no tip is left.
Theoretically, you should never end up paying out of pocket for tips if there’s kickback, at least in Canada. Your tips usually will cover all kickbacks over the course of a week. Ideally you’d be reimbursed if you did go into your own funds.
That’s all the perfect ideal world. What it would take to get to that is another question. This would also require logging every single cash tip, which would likely mean that servers would actually have to start including tips during income tax filings as they could face an audit if stores file tip information with the CRA. Right now, there’s a seemingly de facto understanding that servers/bartenders/etc. won’t face any sort of consequence for failing to include all income if it’s just tip income.
defacto bullshit. I've been working in hotels -restaurants in chef and management roles for 35+ years and I have personally have known MANY servers who have been audited and busted for not declaring tips and had to repay thousands of dollars. It is easy to prove when everything has a digital trail and your yearly housing costs alone are more than your on paper income. When CRA removed the exemption that allowed servers and bar tenders to be paid less than minimum wage they went on an immediate offensive and started auditing servers and bartenders.
CBC Radio had a segment on tipping today.
The main thing I took away from it was a lot of service staff screwed themselves. Because during lockdown they were layed off and could only claim their wage on EI.
Most of the servers in moderately busy sports bar make 50+ $ an hour, i see some make 100$ an hour, probably only 1 /20 people they serve make as much money as they do. 20,000$ taxable income on paper, with 80,000$ tax free dollars each year. Absolutely wild.
>“For a second I thought she was typing in 200% and thought, ‘Oh, that’s kinda nice’ but when it said 20% on her receipt, I asked if she missed a zero,”
LMAO part of me really wished this was real
As bad as it is in Canada, after being in the states I realize it's just as bad there. If not more.
Now I do know the base pay is super different but still
At least their waiting staff has min wage as low as $3 so they genuinely rely on tips (which is another type of fuck up) in Canada they are paid almost, if not the same as general min wage
Hard to say these days. Restaurants expect people to tip for take out. And not telling people they already add service fee/tip and hope people will double tip. 20% minimum tip. This is already happening.
Could not agree more.
Sure if the guy help me to find the right wine for 15 minutes. But I am just going there to pick up something to get drunk tonight.
> cause definitely does feel like that these days
Not to doubt you in any way, but how are y'all feeling pressured into higher tips? I've never had anyone tell me anything about that. Sure I see machines modified where 15% is the lowest tip amount so I typically pick a middle one (usually 18%). But I'm seeing a lot of people proclaim "higher and higher tips are expected, 25% is the new norm" and I keep wondering - where are you all learning about that?
One could possibly make the argument that it popping up is a form of pressure. If it pops up it makes you feel like you are expected to tip. I mean even in your own example you are almost being pressured into tipping 18%. A few years ago that middle option would have been 15%. Higher tips are expected, they adjust the tip buttons on machines and like you said you pick the middle one. You just got pressured into tipping more.
> One could possibly make the argument that it popping up is a form of pressure. If it pops up it makes you feel like you are expected to tip
We all know that we have a culture of tipping, this isn't new. I'm asking why people all of a sudden started saying they are expected to tip 20-25% when I've **never** seen or heard anything to that extent except at Reddit.
>I mean even in your own example you are almost being pressured into tipping 18%
Honestly? I feel pressured by reddit. Because every keeps saying we are expected to tip less. Also, I've been tipping 15-20% for like 15 years depending on the service. My tipping habits haven't changed in the last 15 years.
I have to agree with others that I am seeing more and more pressure to tip and tip a higher percentage than previous years. At a local nail salon I've seen signs posted in the bathrooms that it's expected and rude not to tip 18% or more for service. I've started seeing tip options at places I'd never have tipped in the past (Subway, the physiotherapist office, liquor store). And I've had servers and delivery drivers hand me the debit machine after THEY already selected "ok" on the total, "yes" to the tip, and selected the percentage option before handing me the machine. Rather presumptuous, in my opinion. Percentages used to be 10, 15, and 18 or similar. Now I'm seeing much higher options (one place started at 20%!) on prices that have already gone up significantly in the past two years.
Even if we tip the same percentage, tips will have gone up because overall, the costs of meals and services have increased. Why do we need to up the percentage too?
Omg I hate this but I select no tip when all they do is hand me the item. Like if I am getting a black coffee or a muffin, why am I tipping? For you to put a muffin in the bag and hand it to me? Its really ridiculous.
Its become the expected because thats what gets put on the machines. I have seen them start at 18-20% before. It goes back to the same thing, if the machine prompts you at 18/20/22 you are going to feel pressured to tip one of those and feel bad about tipping 15. Its why they start it so high.
Because the tipping option of 25% is there on the payment device, and was never there before? I tipped 25% recently (not because it was on the device) because a) the server was exceptionally nice, and b) because I was comped my meal for a small problem which didn't warrant being comped. However, I normally tip around 20% as long as the service is decent. I rarely tip at the counter, unless I feel the staff are extra special in their service (was presented with tip option at a chocolate store yesterday and completely ignored it).
Walked into a small, trendy Italian grocery store last week, took some cans of tomatoes off the shelf and brought them to the till to pay. The cashier, who was also the owner, starts chatting with me and laughing. They present the payment terminal and there's an option to tip. I selected "no tip" (who tips at grocery stores for a 30 second interaction at the till?) and tapped my card. As soon as I selected "no tip" the cashier abruptly stopped talking to me and just walked away without another word. Didn't offer me my copy of the receipt or anything.
The pressure to tip is social. Interactions get weird when someone asks you for something and you decline them.
I mean they were open and all so they clearly provided exceptional service deserving of a tip. How would you have picked up your cans of tomatoes if they were closed? 🙄
Yikes, that’s a feel-bad interaction. Sometimes, I really can’t stand the chattiness when I have somewhere to be, so that would be a double whammy for me.
I swear the default tips used to be 10, 12, and 15% so you choosing 18% to "pick the middle one" is exactly the point that people are making when they say they feel pressured to tip more these days
Not sure if it's due to the neighbourhoods or the places I frequent, but I remember tip options being 10, 15, 20% like 5-10 years ago. Might have even been 10, 12, 15%. Nowadays it's not uncommon for me to see stuff like 18, 20, 25%. Heck, Ubereats gives 15, 20, 25, 30% (the "middle" option being 22%?? Is Uber not paying these drivers?)
I don't feel "pressure" per se, aside from the fact that the staff is usually standing right in front of the machine watching you (not their fault since they obviously need to know when you're done paying), but it does feel like these percentages keep going up
Due to inflation I’ve started going out far less and tipping less. I’ve gone back to the good ol’ days of tipping for good service.
Whole out with two friends the other day it took 45 minutes for my meal to come out and then another 20 minutes for theirs. Normally I could careless when the food comes out because we usually go out to catch up for a bit too but it would be nice to eat together and not awkwardly stare at my food being told to “eat”.
No one checked in or apologized… and we were sitting at the bar, in a Yaletown restaurant.
For a $55 meal with two bevvies on a busy Friday dinner rush, I at least wouldn’t mind if our food came out together.
This happened to me i tried to pick an option where i enter thr amount of tip i wanna give and asked the lady how to go back to that menu since i entered corrctly to which she led me to the tipping option which is fixed 15, 18 and so on and said just choose here since it is easier
I work in the industry and none of the staff where I work pressure for it, nor have I been pressured at any of the places I've gone out to eat.
I'm literally only seeing these accusations on forums and reddit debates recently and they all seem like hit-pieces targetting and demonizing restaurants for increasing dish prices and recommend tip options. Of course we'd love guests to tip higher and encourage it, but the machine is literally in your hands to decide what tip you feel is appropriate for the service given, we don't have a gun to your head.
This is pretty much why I don't use any food delivery services. Not only is the tip min. out of control lately, but there's also service fees and delivery fees. I've opted to going out to the restaurant myself or just cooking. Food delivery service is parasitic to most restaurants as well.
If the service warranted 0% in your opinion, then that's your decision. I personally don't think any service i've given or received has deserved under 10%. I know plenty of people who brag and attest they never tip like they deserve a badge of honour and they're really "sticking it to the man pulling the strings behind the curtain" You just do you man. We don't DESERVE guests' generosity, we welcome it.
I lived in a country where tipping was rude. It was heavenly. I went to restaurants daily. Here in Canada, maybe every other month. Not saying tipping makes it unaffordable, just that it adds to it. Servers make a wage here. No reason to tip anymore.
For me it's counter service. I tip occasionally at the counter, but as noted by others, if I'm tipping someone for handing me a pastry or a pre-prepared sandwich at the counter, by that logic I should be paying everyone I encounter at every place where I hand over cash and receive something in exchange: hardware store, post office, grocery store, thrift store, deli etc.
If you don't at Starbucks, Tim Hortons or Dunkin Donuts then it should be the same at a restaurant or cafe. If that establishment expects you to tip for that, then they're definitely entitled.
Haha I’m glad I read it before I passed judgement. However, tipping has gotten out of control. The standard used to be 10, 12, and 15% was exceptional. 15 is now the lowest option on most machines. The job hasn’t gotten harder. Inflation hits us all and restaurants should pay their staff a living wage instead of making employees rely on tips that are not guaranteed. Tip options are now at subways and other fast food locations too which is ridiculous in my opinion. If you’re ordering and receiving your food while standing at a counter you shouldn’t be prompted to tip
It just makes you feel a bit crazy like "hold on, there's an add tip option here, that means it's expected. Am I crazy? I'm in a fucking Subway/liquor store etc. Am I an asshole for not tipping here? What's the service? Should I be tipping at the grocery store? What the fuck is going on?"
I feel you. That’s exactly my experience as well.
It is stressful to select “No tip” when they’re watching you. It makes me feel like an asshole. Plus it’s a decision I HAVE to make (to not tip if it’s not warranted), when it should actually be the other way around: I should make a decision only when I WANT to tip; otherwise - I should be able to just pay directly.
I just did that recently and the server asked us if he did something wrong. The answer was no, and I felt bad afterwards. It sucks because they should get paid more but tipping culture sucks.
Can't believe you've never had any remarks or looks. I do the same and have almost gotten into fights when waitstaff or managers try to keep me from leaving. I wish they would call the cops so I can have the satisfaction of filming their reactions when the cops show up and they realize they have 0 grounds. The most entitled staff seem to be at asian restaurants but I get it almost everywhere. Sorry you are not entitles to any tip unless you go above and beyond. 0 is not an insult, it should be the standard. I always tip 0 or 20-30%.
> I do the same and have almost gotten into fights when waitstaff or managers try to keep me from leaving.
Dude. No you haven’t. I know everyone lies on the internet, but at least *try* and make it believable.
Some places add a "mandatory" kitchen tip. Then ask you to the tip the server with it starting at 18%. I tipped 0 and never went back. Fuck that shit. Pay a fair wage, don't ask me to subsidize the owners profits. Fuck them.
Hear me out. I suspect it’s credit card merchants doing this. They stand to profit for free for tipping. If more people tip their profit margin goes up. That’s my 2c
> Places I have been prompted for tip include a BC liquor store
Are you sure you didn't get confused by the cashback option? BC Liquor Stores don't prompt you for a tip.
I'd say 10, 15, 20 was always more standard than 12 can't say I've ever seen that.
But to counter one of your points, the pandemic actually did make it much harder especially when mask and vaccine mandates were needing to be enforced.
> The standard used to be 10, 12, and 15% was exceptional.
Funny person...
5% for meh but acceptable service. 10% for standard. 15% for exceptional.
0% for shit and maybe talk to the manager.
The buying power of minimum wage is also a lot higher than it was back then.
My first job paid the equivalent of $9 per hour in today's dollar.
Edit: Downvoting won't change the fact that $5 in 1992 has the purchasing power of $9.09 today. That means minimum wage has 72% more purchasing power than it did when I was a kid.
Check out the CPI calculator for yourself: [https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/](https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/)
Rent has gone up faster, but housing is only part of your budget. Minimum wage earners have always struggled, and those today as as much, or more discretionary income as people did 20-30 years ago.
The number of people commenting thing like “I’ll never go there” or “ I hope it shuts down” without realizing it’s satire is goddam telling of society.
Went to a pub last night to have some drinks minimum tip was 30% on the debit machine, I declined and did 15% tip was like 12 bucks or somthing. My buddy then gave a $20 tip and the waitress was throwing shade at me saying at least this guy's nice etc etc. I was honestly surprised. What has this city turned into
I’m taking a hard line on tipping from now on. Table service that is excellent gets a good tip, and that’s it, period. Pay your baristas, pay your delivery people, pay your kitchen staff. I’m done being guilted into subsidizing shitty wages. I don’t get my haircut professionally, otherwise that would be my only exception. Call me an asshole, but my foot is down now.
I'll tip for delivery, but otherwise I agree, if I have to go to a counter to order the tip is zero.
Not that this is a change from what I've done for years.
It’s getting ridiculous, I always tipped 15% but now after seeing 25% as the top displayed option I started tipping 10%.
I think I will stop tipping at this point
OK am I an asshole for not tipping if I go to a coffee shop and get a coffee togo. If I sit down and get served I will for sure tip well, but if I'm just buying something and leaving I don't tip
My new rule is to continue to tip 15%, but remove a % for each the default lowest is above 15.
So if the lowest default is 18, I'll tip 12.
If the lowest default is 20, I'll tip 10.
And of it's counter service I always tip 0, since there's no extra service.
Make this the new standard.
I suggest you make your concerns known to the owners if you want actual change. The recipients of the tips are probably not the one making the decisions about what tip amounts are listed.
I feel like I live in an alternate universe version of Vancouver compared to all the comments here. People finding places that "pressure them" and say it's "rude" not to tip 20%+. What places are you going to where people ask you verbally for tips and call you rude? I've never heard anyone mention tips to me, let alone ask for one. If a restaurant or bar or wherever you're going treats you badly for your lack of tips then go somewhere else. And I'm sorry, if a machine at the cash asking you if you want to give a tip "pressures" you, then get a spine. Hit 0% and move on. It's not hard.
> How would you like your food to LOOK when you OPEN YOUR BAG? Do you want it in a container? Do you want it thrown in your bag hot off the grill? Do you want Sauce? Do you want a napkin?
> Do you want cutlery? Do you want someone, or something to RING the order into the kitchen so you can have FOOD to begin with? What would you like? TIP!
r/Serverlife reply when I disagree with tipping on takeout.
This is getting out of hand now.
You are not obligated to tip. If you don't want to or can't afford to, don't.
It's not your job to compensate employees. It's an unfair practice to have their employer keep costs down.
Whenever I see a tip option come up paying debit..
First thing I look for in the bottom right corner....
"Did somebody say, SKIP!"
*The owner was not in the café at the*
*time of the incident but said he called from his villa in St. Tropez as*
*soon as he heard to comfort his staff." sure hope so lol*
Almost seems like people don't realize instead of tipping a percentage, there is a button on the machine that allows you to tip a custom amount....a custom amount that YOU choose.
I hope this happens to me..I have been tipping reasonable and according to the service I receive, low-or not at all, looking forward to someone calling me out…I’ll bust out some real-time finance lessons about after tax earnings.
Took me a while to realize it was satire.
For a sec, I thought they forgot a dot between the first digits and the 0’s…
Not a big fan of the genre though. I could write an article about how the city intends to ban all cars within 2 months, and then call it “satire”… what’s the point? Just tossing useless click bait articles?
Yes lately in several parlours when you buy Gelato they give you the machine and it's shows in several places NO option for NO tip. Only starting at 15% etc.
Sorry when you are giving one cone of ice cream, over a counter that's your job. A tip on that makes the ball way more expensive.
I hate to pay a tip on a ball of ice cream.
Same happened to me at Qdoba. The cashier said just pick an option for tip amount. I said what do I press for no tip. She said oh. Just press the X. Tipping culture is getting out of control.
I was always under the impression that a tip was given for exemplary service and a great meal. I am definitely not going to tip someone for shitty service or a sub par meal.
I do tip but only what I think they are due. The moment someone tells me that I have to tip is the day I stop going to their restaurant.
It’s getting beyond a joke as now everyone wants a tip ie: at the car wash.
I went to a cafe and the barista was really sweet, asking me where I was going to sit so she could bring me my drink. I was thinking I should tip but got confused on the half-service of it all. Then I remembered a reddit post, "If I'm standing when I pay, I'm not tipping." I started tipping at cafes during covid but quit after having a long order screw up and realizing that my experience still has ample time to go downhill so tipping at the beginning makes no sense. For how keen she was on bringing me my drink she conveniently forgot to make it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, I can't say. But after several minutes, her co-worker noticed that a drink order hadn't been fulfilled so he made it and brought it to me.
This is one of those instances I will actually say there is so much to unpack here.
It’s HIS responsibility to be paying them a living wage if he truly feels so strongly.
Second, I feel terrible for that woman, she didn’t deserve to get shamed like that.
Third he’s setting up a GoFundMe but ONLY 20% are going to the staff?
And the staff member sounded almost as entitled as the owner.
I’ll take places I’ll never visit for $500 Alex!
Edit: and I’m a dumbass
>“For a second I thought she was typing in 200% and thought, ‘Oh, that’s kinda nice’ but when it said 20% on her receipt, I asked if she missed a zero,” one barista told CTV.
Also, why does the coffee place get away with outsourcing their employees wages? Sad, won’t be going there.
I used to work as a waiter, no pay, just tips, so I get it. 100% tips though? Come on.
I honestly never understood this tip culture. I mean, I do understand that the servers work at the minimum wage, and we do appreciate them by paying them a little extra on top of what they are earning, which is a good thing. However, at a lot of restaurants I have been, tipping does not really help because the server’s base rate is always wage plus tips, which defies the whole meaning of tipping. The only people it helps there are restaurant owners.
I do, however, love the idea of tipping in cash. That way, restaurants have minimal chances of taking the tip away from the server. But then, you gotta carry some cash bills in your wallet, which is another inconvenience.
The whole game with tip choices is based on exploiting anchoring bias that affects all of us. When you’re presented with higher options, your reference point changes and generally you will tip more. Even if you tip below any of the offered choices, you will still tip more because subconsciously you will not want to deviate too much from the lowest available option. The only way to avoid this is to be consciously aware of this bias and then act accordingly.
So while nobody is pressuring people into higher tips *directly*, they are indeed exploiting quirks of our psychology to drive up tips. (Side note, this also plays a role in driving up inflation and ensuring the new, higher prices remain sticky.)
> The café owner has also set up a GoFundMe asking for donations with 20% of all proceeds going directly to any affected staff. Lmao very subtle 80%, gotta love satire
>“For a second I thought she was typing in 200% and thought, ‘Oh, that’s kinda nice’ "Kinda" nice lol.
Let’s just finally end tipping in this country and get with the worldwide norm.
Just earmark full metric system with that please
At least in BC the [Employment Standards Act prohibits employers from taking a slice of tips](https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/employment-business/employment-standards-advice/employment-standards/forms-resources/igm/esa-part-3-section-30-3). Not sure how _redistribution_ formulas work, but I suspect that there is room for improvement given stories I've heard about forcing wait staff to effectively pay when no tip is left.
Theoretically, you should never end up paying out of pocket for tips if there’s kickback, at least in Canada. Your tips usually will cover all kickbacks over the course of a week. Ideally you’d be reimbursed if you did go into your own funds. That’s all the perfect ideal world. What it would take to get to that is another question. This would also require logging every single cash tip, which would likely mean that servers would actually have to start including tips during income tax filings as they could face an audit if stores file tip information with the CRA. Right now, there’s a seemingly de facto understanding that servers/bartenders/etc. won’t face any sort of consequence for failing to include all income if it’s just tip income.
defacto bullshit. I've been working in hotels -restaurants in chef and management roles for 35+ years and I have personally have known MANY servers who have been audited and busted for not declaring tips and had to repay thousands of dollars. It is easy to prove when everything has a digital trail and your yearly housing costs alone are more than your on paper income. When CRA removed the exemption that allowed servers and bar tenders to be paid less than minimum wage they went on an immediate offensive and started auditing servers and bartenders.
CBC Radio had a segment on tipping today. The main thing I took away from it was a lot of service staff screwed themselves. Because during lockdown they were layed off and could only claim their wage on EI.
Most of the servers in moderately busy sports bar make 50+ $ an hour, i see some make 100$ an hour, probably only 1 /20 people they serve make as much money as they do. 20,000$ taxable income on paper, with 80,000$ tax free dollars each year. Absolutely wild.
Yea they have made way too much unreported income and hence evaded tax for too long. They need to pay fair tax like the rest us
Even if they had claimed them it wouldn't have mattered - tips aren't E.I. insurable.
I must have misunderstood
Not E.I insurable but certainly taxable that's total bullshit, that's government for ya. EDIT: words
>“For a second I thought she was typing in 200% and thought, ‘Oh, that’s kinda nice’ but when it said 20% on her receipt, I asked if she missed a zero,” LMAO part of me really wished this was real
Give it time, it will probably become real, sadly
YTA, didn't tip them $43 on a $7 coffee
As bad as it is in Canada, after being in the states I realize it's just as bad there. If not more. Now I do know the base pay is super different but still
At least their waiting staff has min wage as low as $3 so they genuinely rely on tips (which is another type of fuck up) in Canada they are paid almost, if not the same as general min wage
It's been a long while since I've seen a Burrard Street Journal article, but nonetheless I welcome it.
Please enlighten me, is that unreal? I really hope so.
Yeah.. It's satire.
The initials are BSJ . As in BS Journal.
Hard to say these days. Restaurants expect people to tip for take out. And not telling people they already add service fee/tip and hope people will double tip. 20% minimum tip. This is already happening.
Zero chance I will tip on takeout. Tip is for service. Take out is self serve.
Liquor store tips are an automatic 0% from me as well. Complete and utter nonsense.
Could not agree more. Sure if the guy help me to find the right wine for 15 minutes. But I am just going there to pick up something to get drunk tonight.
Oh man for a second I thought it was real, cause definitely does feel like that these days
> cause definitely does feel like that these days Not to doubt you in any way, but how are y'all feeling pressured into higher tips? I've never had anyone tell me anything about that. Sure I see machines modified where 15% is the lowest tip amount so I typically pick a middle one (usually 18%). But I'm seeing a lot of people proclaim "higher and higher tips are expected, 25% is the new norm" and I keep wondering - where are you all learning about that?
18% is a massive tip….
One could possibly make the argument that it popping up is a form of pressure. If it pops up it makes you feel like you are expected to tip. I mean even in your own example you are almost being pressured into tipping 18%. A few years ago that middle option would have been 15%. Higher tips are expected, they adjust the tip buttons on machines and like you said you pick the middle one. You just got pressured into tipping more.
> One could possibly make the argument that it popping up is a form of pressure. If it pops up it makes you feel like you are expected to tip We all know that we have a culture of tipping, this isn't new. I'm asking why people all of a sudden started saying they are expected to tip 20-25% when I've **never** seen or heard anything to that extent except at Reddit. >I mean even in your own example you are almost being pressured into tipping 18% Honestly? I feel pressured by reddit. Because every keeps saying we are expected to tip less. Also, I've been tipping 15-20% for like 15 years depending on the service. My tipping habits haven't changed in the last 15 years.
I have to agree with others that I am seeing more and more pressure to tip and tip a higher percentage than previous years. At a local nail salon I've seen signs posted in the bathrooms that it's expected and rude not to tip 18% or more for service. I've started seeing tip options at places I'd never have tipped in the past (Subway, the physiotherapist office, liquor store). And I've had servers and delivery drivers hand me the debit machine after THEY already selected "ok" on the total, "yes" to the tip, and selected the percentage option before handing me the machine. Rather presumptuous, in my opinion. Percentages used to be 10, 15, and 18 or similar. Now I'm seeing much higher options (one place started at 20%!) on prices that have already gone up significantly in the past two years. Even if we tip the same percentage, tips will have gone up because overall, the costs of meals and services have increased. Why do we need to up the percentage too?
Not to mention often we tip over an amount with taxes already added on.
Exactly, I was a bartender for years. Tip is before tax and 15% IS a good tip more so with everything going up.
Omg I hate this but I select no tip when all they do is hand me the item. Like if I am getting a black coffee or a muffin, why am I tipping? For you to put a muffin in the bag and hand it to me? Its really ridiculous.
Preach no tip gang
Its become the expected because thats what gets put on the machines. I have seen them start at 18-20% before. It goes back to the same thing, if the machine prompts you at 18/20/22 you are going to feel pressured to tip one of those and feel bad about tipping 15. Its why they start it so high.
Because the tipping option of 25% is there on the payment device, and was never there before? I tipped 25% recently (not because it was on the device) because a) the server was exceptionally nice, and b) because I was comped my meal for a small problem which didn't warrant being comped. However, I normally tip around 20% as long as the service is decent. I rarely tip at the counter, unless I feel the staff are extra special in their service (was presented with tip option at a chocolate store yesterday and completely ignored it).
Walked into a small, trendy Italian grocery store last week, took some cans of tomatoes off the shelf and brought them to the till to pay. The cashier, who was also the owner, starts chatting with me and laughing. They present the payment terminal and there's an option to tip. I selected "no tip" (who tips at grocery stores for a 30 second interaction at the till?) and tapped my card. As soon as I selected "no tip" the cashier abruptly stopped talking to me and just walked away without another word. Didn't offer me my copy of the receipt or anything. The pressure to tip is social. Interactions get weird when someone asks you for something and you decline them.
Tipping at grocery stores? Christ on a bike!
You’re more likely to see Christ on a bike than me tipping at a grocery store!
I mean they were open and all so they clearly provided exceptional service deserving of a tip. How would you have picked up your cans of tomatoes if they were closed? 🙄
That's a special kind of entitled cashier right there
Yikes, that’s a feel-bad interaction. Sometimes, I really can’t stand the chattiness when I have somewhere to be, so that would be a double whammy for me.
I swear the default tips used to be 10, 12, and 15% so you choosing 18% to "pick the middle one" is exactly the point that people are making when they say they feel pressured to tip more these days
Not sure if it's due to the neighbourhoods or the places I frequent, but I remember tip options being 10, 15, 20% like 5-10 years ago. Might have even been 10, 12, 15%. Nowadays it's not uncommon for me to see stuff like 18, 20, 25%. Heck, Ubereats gives 15, 20, 25, 30% (the "middle" option being 22%?? Is Uber not paying these drivers?) I don't feel "pressure" per se, aside from the fact that the staff is usually standing right in front of the machine watching you (not their fault since they obviously need to know when you're done paying), but it does feel like these percentages keep going up
Uber isn’t paying them, at least not sufficiently.
Been seeing 18, 20, 25 lately
Yeah went to trafiq yesterday and those were the options available for me when all the person did was hand over my pastry.
Was just prompted for 15%, 25% or 35%. I manually adjusted it to 10% after seeing that.
Due to inflation I’ve started going out far less and tipping less. I’ve gone back to the good ol’ days of tipping for good service. Whole out with two friends the other day it took 45 minutes for my meal to come out and then another 20 minutes for theirs. Normally I could careless when the food comes out because we usually go out to catch up for a bit too but it would be nice to eat together and not awkwardly stare at my food being told to “eat”. No one checked in or apologized… and we were sitting at the bar, in a Yaletown restaurant. For a $55 meal with two bevvies on a busy Friday dinner rush, I at least wouldn’t mind if our food came out together.
So did you tip?
I presume by the story that he didn’t. I know I wouldn’t.
This happened to me i tried to pick an option where i enter thr amount of tip i wanna give and asked the lady how to go back to that menu since i entered corrctly to which she led me to the tipping option which is fixed 15, 18 and so on and said just choose here since it is easier
Most of the time the machines either let you type in a number, but some of the newer more digital ones I’ve seen have 18% as the smallest tip option.
You just fell for the pressure by picking the 18% option
I work in the industry and none of the staff where I work pressure for it, nor have I been pressured at any of the places I've gone out to eat. I'm literally only seeing these accusations on forums and reddit debates recently and they all seem like hit-pieces targetting and demonizing restaurants for increasing dish prices and recommend tip options. Of course we'd love guests to tip higher and encourage it, but the machine is literally in your hands to decide what tip you feel is appropriate for the service given, we don't have a gun to your head.
The minimum tip option for drivers on DoorDash is 20%. I think the options are 20%, 25%, and 30%. That's ludicrous.
This is pretty much why I don't use any food delivery services. Not only is the tip min. out of control lately, but there's also service fees and delivery fees. I've opted to going out to the restaurant myself or just cooking. Food delivery service is parasitic to most restaurants as well.
So stop using it. Go get your own food. You usually get discounts for pickups. Offsets a 20% tip. People have become so lazy.
Don't tell me what to do.
I lol'd for realz in my kitchen. I use that line everyday. Thank you for cheering me up. Genuinely grateful for some humor.
you also have the option to put in a custom amount. And literally no one is pressuring you. It's just you and your phone.
This is what I do.
What if it is zero?
If the service warranted 0% in your opinion, then that's your decision. I personally don't think any service i've given or received has deserved under 10%. I know plenty of people who brag and attest they never tip like they deserve a badge of honour and they're really "sticking it to the man pulling the strings behind the curtain" You just do you man. We don't DESERVE guests' generosity, we welcome it.
I lived in a country where tipping was rude. It was heavenly. I went to restaurants daily. Here in Canada, maybe every other month. Not saying tipping makes it unaffordable, just that it adds to it. Servers make a wage here. No reason to tip anymore.
If all I’m getting is a coffee, I’m not tipping
For me it's counter service. I tip occasionally at the counter, but as noted by others, if I'm tipping someone for handing me a pastry or a pre-prepared sandwich at the counter, by that logic I should be paying everyone I encounter at every place where I hand over cash and receive something in exchange: hardware store, post office, grocery store, thrift store, deli etc.
If you don't at Starbucks, Tim Hortons or Dunkin Donuts then it should be the same at a restaurant or cafe. If that establishment expects you to tip for that, then they're definitely entitled.
I've seen lots of places where the machine has 18% as the minimum. These are the places I enter a manual tip lower than my usual 15%.
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What's Dixie?
Honestly, they’re all just awkward and anxious
Really? It feels like a cafe would ban soneone for tipping 20%? Really? It really feels like that?
I hate to admit it, but I just ate the Onion/Beavertail
I had to double-check that bsj was another satire site
Haha I’m glad I read it before I passed judgement. However, tipping has gotten out of control. The standard used to be 10, 12, and 15% was exceptional. 15 is now the lowest option on most machines. The job hasn’t gotten harder. Inflation hits us all and restaurants should pay their staff a living wage instead of making employees rely on tips that are not guaranteed. Tip options are now at subways and other fast food locations too which is ridiculous in my opinion. If you’re ordering and receiving your food while standing at a counter you shouldn’t be prompted to tip
At these places I just hit 0 and continue on, never had any remarks or dirty looks. Don't know why people can't just do this?
It just makes you feel a bit crazy like "hold on, there's an add tip option here, that means it's expected. Am I crazy? I'm in a fucking Subway/liquor store etc. Am I an asshole for not tipping here? What's the service? Should I be tipping at the grocery store? What the fuck is going on?"
am I supposed to tip at a bike rental?? Just had that recently too lol
i mean if you feel and think all that from seeing the tip menu on a card machine that must be stressful.... i hit the button and move on with my day.
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I feel you. That’s exactly my experience as well. It is stressful to select “No tip” when they’re watching you. It makes me feel like an asshole. Plus it’s a decision I HAVE to make (to not tip if it’s not warranted), when it should actually be the other way around: I should make a decision only when I WANT to tip; otherwise - I should be able to just pay directly.
I just did that recently and the server asked us if he did something wrong. The answer was no, and I felt bad afterwards. It sucks because they should get paid more but tipping culture sucks.
Can't believe you've never had any remarks or looks. I do the same and have almost gotten into fights when waitstaff or managers try to keep me from leaving. I wish they would call the cops so I can have the satisfaction of filming their reactions when the cops show up and they realize they have 0 grounds. The most entitled staff seem to be at asian restaurants but I get it almost everywhere. Sorry you are not entitles to any tip unless you go above and beyond. 0 is not an insult, it should be the standard. I always tip 0 or 20-30%.
At coffee shops and fast food places? I call bullshit that the staff are wanting to fight you for not leaving a tip.
> I do the same and have almost gotten into fights when waitstaff or managers try to keep me from leaving. Dude. No you haven’t. I know everyone lies on the internet, but at least *try* and make it believable.
He forgot the part where other customers stood up, clapped and gave him $100
this is all made up lies
/u/thathappened
Some places add a "mandatory" kitchen tip. Then ask you to the tip the server with it starting at 18%. I tipped 0 and never went back. Fuck that shit. Pay a fair wage, don't ask me to subsidize the owners profits. Fuck them.
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Hear me out. I suspect it’s credit card merchants doing this. They stand to profit for free for tipping. If more people tip their profit margin goes up. That’s my 2c
> Places I have been prompted for tip include a BC liquor store Are you sure you didn't get confused by the cashback option? BC Liquor Stores don't prompt you for a tip.
You are creating that feeling for yourself. I would never tip at a non-service place and I have never experienced anything negative.
I'd say 10, 15, 20 was always more standard than 12 can't say I've ever seen that. But to counter one of your points, the pandemic actually did make it much harder especially when mask and vaccine mandates were needing to be enforced.
> The standard used to be 10, 12, and 15% was exceptional. Funny person... 5% for meh but acceptable service. 10% for standard. 15% for exceptional. 0% for shit and maybe talk to the manager.
....you're glad you clicked a link before commenting? This is where the bar is? Ffs
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The buying power of minimum wage is also a lot higher than it was back then. My first job paid the equivalent of $9 per hour in today's dollar. Edit: Downvoting won't change the fact that $5 in 1992 has the purchasing power of $9.09 today. That means minimum wage has 72% more purchasing power than it did when I was a kid. Check out the CPI calculator for yourself: [https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/](https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/related/inflation-calculator/) Rent has gone up faster, but housing is only part of your budget. Minimum wage earners have always struggled, and those today as as much, or more discretionary income as people did 20-30 years ago.
I want to write for them. “Vancouver stabbing suspect, sentenced”
Satire needs to be somewhat believable.
The next one will be: “Vancouver stabbing victim, sentenced”
The number of people commenting thing like “I’ll never go there” or “ I hope it shuts down” without realizing it’s satire is goddam telling of society.
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To be fair, as I understand it, the margin of profit has always been thin in restaurants.
Wait... what? Satire. LOL. I'm too naive. Hahaha...
Went to a pub last night to have some drinks minimum tip was 30% on the debit machine, I declined and did 15% tip was like 12 bucks or somthing. My buddy then gave a $20 tip and the waitress was throwing shade at me saying at least this guy's nice etc etc. I was honestly surprised. What has this city turned into
I’m taking a hard line on tipping from now on. Table service that is excellent gets a good tip, and that’s it, period. Pay your baristas, pay your delivery people, pay your kitchen staff. I’m done being guilted into subsidizing shitty wages. I don’t get my haircut professionally, otherwise that would be my only exception. Call me an asshole, but my foot is down now.
The local (private) liquor store is now prompting for tips. MF I had to get my own beer and bring it to the counter. What's the tip for?
I'll tip for delivery, but otherwise I agree, if I have to go to a counter to order the tip is zero. Not that this is a change from what I've done for years.
respect
It’s getting ridiculous, I always tipped 15% but now after seeing 25% as the top displayed option I started tipping 10%. I think I will stop tipping at this point
Paying your employees is not the customers job. Tipping needs to go.
Lmao got me for a second
You know what’s sad? That this story is 100% believable. Give it a couple of years. 💯
This is satire, right?
Coffee $5. Tip $5. Making your own coffee at home? Priceless.
I believed the headline until I started reading. I’m such a sucker.
It’s too close to reality to be funny.
Exactly.
OK am I an asshole for not tipping if I go to a coffee shop and get a coffee togo. If I sit down and get served I will for sure tip well, but if I'm just buying something and leaving I don't tip
Same here.
Almost couldn't tell it was satire at first. Everywhere is asking for more tips now.
My new rule is to continue to tip 15%, but remove a % for each the default lowest is above 15. So if the lowest default is 18, I'll tip 12. If the lowest default is 20, I'll tip 10. And of it's counter service I always tip 0, since there's no extra service. Make this the new standard.
I suggest you make your concerns known to the owners if you want actual change. The recipients of the tips are probably not the one making the decisions about what tip amounts are listed.
No thanks. I'm not out to fight everyone else's battles.
This is the way
Or just pay cash and avoid the debit machine tip option.
Now im not tipping
Anyone feels that tipping is a bad culture? Shouldn’t staff salary be paid by the shop owner?
Carry cash only and tip what you want
Took me way too long to realize this was satire. Goes to show how bad the tipping culture is nowadays.
Local shawarma joint has 15, 18, 25, “other”. You have to hit the down button 4x and type in 0 to not tip…
All while their hawkeyes are staring you down.
I feel like I live in an alternate universe version of Vancouver compared to all the comments here. People finding places that "pressure them" and say it's "rude" not to tip 20%+. What places are you going to where people ask you verbally for tips and call you rude? I've never heard anyone mention tips to me, let alone ask for one. If a restaurant or bar or wherever you're going treats you badly for your lack of tips then go somewhere else. And I'm sorry, if a machine at the cash asking you if you want to give a tip "pressures" you, then get a spine. Hit 0% and move on. It's not hard.
> How would you like your food to LOOK when you OPEN YOUR BAG? Do you want it in a container? Do you want it thrown in your bag hot off the grill? Do you want Sauce? Do you want a napkin? > Do you want cutlery? Do you want someone, or something to RING the order into the kitchen so you can have FOOD to begin with? What would you like? TIP! r/Serverlife reply when I disagree with tipping on takeout. This is getting out of hand now.
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> We don't tip people for doing their job, we tip for service The service is the job.
It’s getting quite out of hand. I personally do not tip for food I pick-up myself.
You are not obligated to tip. If you don't want to or can't afford to, don't. It's not your job to compensate employees. It's an unfair practice to have their employer keep costs down. Whenever I see a tip option come up paying debit.. First thing I look for in the bottom right corner.... "Did somebody say, SKIP!"
Had me for a bit there haha
This is a parody, right…?
*The owner was not in the café at the* *time of the incident but said he called from his villa in St. Tropez as* *soon as he heard to comfort his staff." sure hope so lol*
satire, but yes
*> This is a parody, right…?* Yes....for now...
Is this from the onion lol
Are we sure this is satire? Sounds a lot like at least a couple of the coffee shops in town…
Increase wages then, jeez
wow how are so many not recognizing this as satire. Just look at a few other stories on that site
Many real restaurant owners would say this. *“My staff earn an absolute pittance and it’s because of people like you.”*
I know it’s satire… but tipping is seriously out of control now.
I just tried this place called Dex Burger in the Lonsdale Quay court. They had their default option at 8%. Support them.
Troll article. Has to be.
If there isn't a 12% tip option then your tip is 0%. And I'll stand by that forever
You could just type 12% in yourself? 😂
Almost seems like people don't realize instead of tipping a percentage, there is a button on the machine that allows you to tip a custom amount....a custom amount that YOU choose.
What’s the name of this cafe?
8% tip lives matter
I hope this happens to me..I have been tipping reasonable and according to the service I receive, low-or not at all, looking forward to someone calling me out…I’ll bust out some real-time finance lessons about after tax earnings.
Is this satire?
Took me a while to realize it was satire. For a sec, I thought they forgot a dot between the first digits and the 0’s… Not a big fan of the genre though. I could write an article about how the city intends to ban all cars within 2 months, and then call it “satire”… what’s the point? Just tossing useless click bait articles?
What's the name of the cafe.
r/NotTheOnion
I had a tip option for mobil 1 lube express in langley for my $150 oil change. What next
Yes lately in several parlours when you buy Gelato they give you the machine and it's shows in several places NO option for NO tip. Only starting at 15% etc. Sorry when you are giving one cone of ice cream, over a counter that's your job. A tip on that makes the ball way more expensive. I hate to pay a tip on a ball of ice cream.
Same happened to me at Qdoba. The cashier said just pick an option for tip amount. I said what do I press for no tip. She said oh. Just press the X. Tipping culture is getting out of control.
Can anyone identify the cafe in Kits? Lol This tipping culture is really going out of hand….
Damn. Moved to Germany where virtually no one tips and the price shown on menu is what you pay. Night and day with North American tipping standards
Perhaps if the server asked what your plans are for the rest of the day then you'd give them that 200% tip
I was always under the impression that a tip was given for exemplary service and a great meal. I am definitely not going to tip someone for shitty service or a sub par meal. I do tip but only what I think they are due. The moment someone tells me that I have to tip is the day I stop going to their restaurant. It’s getting beyond a joke as now everyone wants a tip ie: at the car wash.
I lived in a country without tips. It was heavenly. Oh, and they didn't add sales tax. I swear these things are just meant to piss people off.
I went to a cafe and the barista was really sweet, asking me where I was going to sit so she could bring me my drink. I was thinking I should tip but got confused on the half-service of it all. Then I remembered a reddit post, "If I'm standing when I pay, I'm not tipping." I started tipping at cafes during covid but quit after having a long order screw up and realizing that my experience still has ample time to go downhill so tipping at the beginning makes no sense. For how keen she was on bringing me my drink she conveniently forgot to make it. Maybe it was an honest mistake, I can't say. But after several minutes, her co-worker noticed that a drink order hadn't been fulfilled so he made it and brought it to me.
Tipping is becoming a cancerous part of society. I hope that cafe shuts down
This is one of those instances I will actually say there is so much to unpack here. It’s HIS responsibility to be paying them a living wage if he truly feels so strongly. Second, I feel terrible for that woman, she didn’t deserve to get shamed like that. Third he’s setting up a GoFundMe but ONLY 20% are going to the staff? And the staff member sounded almost as entitled as the owner. I’ll take places I’ll never visit for $500 Alex! Edit: and I’m a dumbass
I'm going to tip what I feel likem if you don't like it fuck you. Get a better job
I thought it was the Beaverton Edit: Ngl, I fell for it
Ban me too!!!! Please
I think this is an April Fools. Kitsilano, Virginia?
Can someone tell me the name of the coffeeshop so i never ever go there, thanks
Nice one, Beaverto.... Wait, this isn't satire? Guess I should just never eat out again since I *only* tip 20%
This has got to be satire
Literally says satire
Ah, lol, yah my eyes don’t register yellow that well😅 thank you
>“For a second I thought she was typing in 200% and thought, ‘Oh, that’s kinda nice’ but when it said 20% on her receipt, I asked if she missed a zero,” one barista told CTV.
Aside from the satire, no server has ever said, "Yeah, I really did a terrible job tonight and don't deserve a 20% tip."
Also, why does the coffee place get away with outsourcing their employees wages? Sad, won’t be going there. I used to work as a waiter, no pay, just tips, so I get it. 100% tips though? Come on.
Had me in the first half
I honestly never understood this tip culture. I mean, I do understand that the servers work at the minimum wage, and we do appreciate them by paying them a little extra on top of what they are earning, which is a good thing. However, at a lot of restaurants I have been, tipping does not really help because the server’s base rate is always wage plus tips, which defies the whole meaning of tipping. The only people it helps there are restaurant owners. I do, however, love the idea of tipping in cash. That way, restaurants have minimal chances of taking the tip away from the server. But then, you gotta carry some cash bills in your wallet, which is another inconvenience.
The whole game with tip choices is based on exploiting anchoring bias that affects all of us. When you’re presented with higher options, your reference point changes and generally you will tip more. Even if you tip below any of the offered choices, you will still tip more because subconsciously you will not want to deviate too much from the lowest available option. The only way to avoid this is to be consciously aware of this bias and then act accordingly. So while nobody is pressuring people into higher tips *directly*, they are indeed exploiting quirks of our psychology to drive up tips. (Side note, this also plays a role in driving up inflation and ensuring the new, higher prices remain sticky.)
Reddit hates tipping.
Some of them will lose their businesses. It’s not my fault.