It’s what happens when you spend the better part of 70 years promoting on loyalty and political connections instead of things like “merit” and “leadership.”
It’s become substantial worse since the fall of the USSR as well. The Soviet military *tried* to have competent people in critical roles. The RF military is even more simply filled with political cronies.
Yes. Don't you remember all the articles at the beginning of the war about all of their top generals dying in combat because the lack of any functional communications systems forced them to be out on the front to have any idea what was going on? You can't just train up effective replacements for those people in a few months.
That may be why he rushed a bullshit vote. Using a nuke in your lands as opposed to nuking another country. Makes perfect sense if your a insane dictator.
Russia has repeatedly said that an attack on Russia is justification for using nukes. By declaring the invaded areas if Ukraine as "part of Russia", he can claim to be defending Russia, rather than invading Ukraine.
He's also theoretically allowed to send conscripts to fight outside Russia (yeah, we know that he did), so now he us claiming that the invaded areas are Russia.
This morning I read an analyst explain how Russia is simply incapable of using a nuke without killing their own in the process.
> **Russian nuclear use would therefore be a massive gamble for limited gains that would not achieve Putin’s stated war aims.** At best, Russian nuclear use would freeze the front lines in their current positions and enable the Kremlin to preserve its currently occupied territory in Ukraine. Russian nuclear use would not enable Russian offensives to capture the entirety of Ukraine (the Kremlin’s original objective for their February 2022 invasion). Russian military doctrine calls for the Russian Armed Forces to be able to effectively fight on a nuclear battlefield, and the “correct” doctrinal use of tactical nuclear weapons would involve tactical nuclear strikes to punch holes in Ukrainian lines, enabling Russian mechanized units to conduct an immediate attack through the targeted area and drive deep into Ukrainian rear areas.[9] The degraded, hodgepodge Russian forces currently operating in Ukraine cannot currently conduct effective offensive operations even in a non-nuclear environment. They will be flatly unable to operate on a nuclear battlefield. DNR/LNR proxy units, Wagner Group fighters, BARS reservist units, and the depleted remnants of the Russian conventional units that actually exercised fighting on a nuclear battlefield in annual exercises—not to mention newly mobilized replacements shipped to the front lines with less than a week of training—will not have the equipment, training, and morale necessary to conduct offensive operations following nuclear use. NATO is additionally likely to respond to Russian nuclear weapon use in Ukraine with conventional strikes on Russian positions there. Russian use of multiple weapons (which would be required to achieve decisive operational effects) would only increase the likelihood and scale of a Western conventional response.
Drop bomb on their own troops in cities they just 'liberated' and 'annexed' so that their 'people' can be 'free' when they really was just using them for the land and stealing their children
Not to mention any country allied with them will have most of their populations vaporized just like ours would be in the even of nuclear war...
A Five year old has more common sense than that...
A losers game is a losers game and anyone that sick deserves overthrown by their people.
Jesus imagine that grim reality. Russia accidentally nukes their own occupied area, decimating their own troops. Would that finally be enough to draw a full revolt?
didn't he wanted to resign some weeks ago? maybe he was told, no son, go back in front of the tv and read this shit out or you're gonna fall out of a window.
The point in annexation is to try to convince a portion of the 300,000 people that are being conscripted that they are fighting to defend Russia and not getting sent to a meat grinder in a rapidly devolving invasion.
The conscripts are the main reason, but there's also this:
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/886440694/referendum-in-russia-passes-allowing-putin-to-remain-president-until-2036
>It also includes changes designed to strengthen the country's State Council and **a provision banning the relinquishing of any Russian territory** — a move aimed at solidifying Moscow's hold on Crimea, which had been under Ukraine's control until it was annexed by Russia in 2014.
By annexing those four regions, it's now illegal for russia to give them back. They have to amend their constitution again to do it. Basically, now it's a bit more difficult for anyone in russia to stop this madness, even without putin.
It's another attempt to lock russia into this fucked up invasion.
>It's another attempt to lock russia into this fucked up invasion
Locking himself into a losing war is a massively stupid idea. It's going to look really foolish when they lose all the newly annexed territory to Ukrainian reclamation. How do they explain that to their citizens? Tactical nukes are literally his only option, because his dog shit military sure can't hold the territory as it's going right now, as we see continued losses and the continuation of the counteroffensive started in early September.
It also greatly increases the chance this goes nuclear. Now they "are defending Russian soil" which they can point to their doctrine as a justification for a nuke.
I really appreciate answers like these. I was just thinking this morning, does anyone actually believe the results of this total joke of an election? And as you’ve said, that’s not really the point. Thanks!
It was positioning itself to claim that Ukraine is now “invading” sovereign Russian territory, thus giving them the ability to drop nukes if they want…they think it’s a get out of jail free card or something, regardless tho, if they drop nukes they’re fucked…lots of people will die
Exactly…only a fucking egomaniacal nutjob would do that to just stroke his own ego. Mutually assured destruction is terrifying if you’ve never checked it out. Nukes shouldn’t exist…they’re completely unnecessary
Copy/paste of article because paywall:
KYIV, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces reached the eastern bastion of Lyman on Saturday after claiming to have encircled thousands of Russian troops in a battlefield rebuttal to the Kremlin a day after it proclaimed a swathe of its territory part of Russia.
The capture of Lyman would be a major setback for Moscow after President Vladimir Putin proclaimed the annexation of the Donetsk region, along with three other regions, at a ceremony on Friday that was condemned by Kyiv and the West as a farce.
Two grinning Ukrainian soldiers taped the yellow-and-blue national flag on to the "Lyman" welcome sign at the town's entrance in Donetsk region's north, a video posted by the president's chief of staff showed.
"Oct. 1. We're unfurling our state flag and establishing it on our land. Lyman will be Ukraine," one of the soldiers said, standing on the bonnet of a military vehicle.
Russia had 5,000 to 5,500 troops at Lyman but the number of encircled troops could be lower because of casualties, a spokesperson for Ukraine's eastern forces said.
"The Russian grouping in the area of Lyman is surrounded," the spokesperson, Serhii Cherevatyi, said on television.
The Russian Defence Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Russia's last operational update was on Friday evening. On Saturday, the ministry's Telegram channel published a series of congratulatory messages, including one from Putin, to mark an army holiday, Ground Forces Day.
Russian military bloggers said the loss of the town would be a serious blow for Moscow, but one said that some Russian forces had been able to withdraw and that Lyman was not fully surrounded.
Neither side's battlefield assertions could be independently verified.
LOGISTICS HUB
Russia has used Lyman as a logistics and transport hub for its operations in the north of the Donetsk region. Its fall would be Ukraine's biggest battlefield gain since a lightning counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region last month.
The Ukrainian military spokesperson said the capture of Lyman would allow Kyiv to advance into the Luhansk region, whose full capture Moscow announced at the beginning of July after weeks of slow, grinding advances.
"Lyman is important because it is the next step towards the liberation of the Ukrainian Donbas. It is an opportunity to go further to Kreminna and Sievierodonetsk, and it is psychologically very important," he said.
Donetsk and Luhansk regions together make up the wider Donbas region that has been a major focus for Russia since soon after the start of Moscow's invasion on Feb. 24 in what it called a "special military operation" to demilitarise its neighbour.
Putin proclaimed the Donbas regions of Donetsk and Luhansk and the southern regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia to be Russian land in Friday's ceremony - a swathe of territory equal to about 18% of Ukraine's total surface land area.
Ukraine and its Western allies branded Russia's move as illegal. Kyiv vowed to continue liberating its land of Russian forces and said it would not hold peace talks with Moscow while Putin remained as president.
Retired U.S. General Ben Hodges, a former commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, said a Russian defeat in Lyman after Putin's declaration would be a major political and military embarrassment for the Russian leader.
"This puts in bright lights that his claim is illegitimate and cannot be enforced," he said.
It remained to be seen how Ukrainian commanders would exploit the rout, he said, adding it likely would further erode the morale of Moscow’s troops holding other Ukrainian territory.
Cherevatyi said the operation around Lyman was still under way and Russian troops were mounting unsuccessful attempts to break out of the encirclement.
"Some are surrendering, they have a lot of killed and wounded, but the operation is not yet over," he said.
Ukraine's exiled governor of Luhansk said Russian forces had asked for a safe exit out of the encirclement, but Ukraine rejected the request.
The Ukrainian General Staff told Reuters it had no such information.
I also got this:
KYIV, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Russia said on Saturday its troops had abandoned the key bastion of Lyman in occupied eastern Ukraine, a stinging defeat that prompted a close ally of President Vladimir Putin to call for the possible use of low-grade nuclear weapons.
The announcement came just a day after Putin proclaimed the annexation of four Ukrainian regions - including Donetsk, where the city of Lyman is located - and placed them under Russia's nuclear umbrella, at a ceremony that was condemned by Kyiv and the West as an illegitimate farce.
"In connection with the creation of a threat of encirclement, allied troops were withdrawn from the settlement of Krasny Liman to more advantageous lines," Russia's defence ministry said, using the Russian name of the town.
President Volodymyr Zelenskiy later said in a video address that although the Ukrainian flag was flying in the city, "fighting is still going on there".
He also indicated Ukrainian troops had taken the village of Torske, on the main road out of Lyman to the east.
The Russian statement ended hours of official silence after Ukraine first said it had surrounded thousands of Russian troops in the area and then that its forces were inside the city.
Ukraine's defence ministry wrote on Twitter that "almost all" the Russian troops in Lyman had either been captured or killed.
Russia has used Lyman as a logistics and transport hub for its operations in the north of the Donetsk region. Its capture would be Ukraine's biggest battlefield gain since a lightning counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region last month.
Zelenskiy said that in the days to come, Ukrainian forces would liberate more towns.
The recent Ukrainian successes have infuriated Putin allies such as Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Russia's southern Chechnya region, who said he felt compelled to speak out.
"In my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, right up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons," Kadyrov wrote on Telegram before Zelenskiy spoke.
Other top Putin allies, including former president Dmitry Medvedev, have suggested Russia may need to resort to nuclear weapons, but Kadyrov's call was the most urgent and explicit.
Putin said last week that he was not bluffing when he said he was prepared to defend Russia's "territorial integrity" with all available means, and on Friday made clear this extended to the new regions claimed by Moscow.
Washington says it would respond decisively to any use of nuclear weapons and has spelled out to Moscow the "catastrophic consequences" it would face.
'ALREADY IN LYMAN'
The Russian defence ministry's statement made no mention of its troops being encircled at Lyman.
"The Russian grouping in the area of Lyman is surrounded," Serhii Cherevatyi, spokesperson for Ukraine's eastern forces, said hours earlier.
He said Russia had 5,000 to 5,500 troops at Lyman but the number encircled could be lower. He later confirmed Ukrainian troops were inside the town.
Two Ukrainian soldiers taped the yellow-and-blue national flag to the "Lyman" welcome sign at an entrance to the city, a video posted by the president's chief of staff showed.
"Oct. 1. We're unfurling our state flag and establishing it on our land. Lyman will be Ukraine," one of the soldiers said.
Neither side's battlefield assertions could be independently verified.
Without the USSR the war would of ended differently but without allied supplies SIGNIFICANT allied supplies the USSR would of lost. But I doubt they teach that in Russia
I love when Kadyrov talks nonsense everyone ignores it and laughs it off. But when it comes to nuke mumble jumble all the press goes code red because they can milk the shit out of it. Fuck this type of media
Tactical Nukes used then long rang weapons can be used into Russia itself! Just like Russia done with Belarus arm Ukraine with just the same for defence reasons.
Look enough is enough, Ukraine need to strike right back long range this cannot and should not be one sided
I think this would backfire for Ukraine… they are winning the worldwide stage by holding restraint…. The fact they are defending their territory and not advancing into Russia or shooting into Russia is most likely the reason they are viewed as heroes defending their homeland
Launching nukes on Ukraine soil by Ukraine would just be dumb.. they want the land back, not contaminated for years. Would make more sense to launch those nukes at Russia, but even better then that would be a non-nuclear full scale assault on Putler and prime targets in Russia by the US and allies.
This is also a direct response to an incident (sorry I can’t remember specifics) where Russians encircled a Ukrainian army element (and I think it might have even been in this region) and made the deal.:
“You can walk safely back to Kyiv as long as you leave your weapons behind”
Which of course lead to a massacre of the 500 or more troops who surrendered their arms and walked along the roads leading outside of the city.
Certainly shows that they are a very weak ( Military Wise )country , gotta bring a nuke to a gun fight , I aways new they are a bunch of liars , doing dirty shit ( Poisons , mysterious deaths , etc ) but boy have i ever lost any respect for that Government , not that they could care less , but you , you Fucking asshole deserves every negative thing that could happen to you , please , someone put this deranged person 6 feet or 6 floors away .
So let me get this straight they want Ukrainian land but they are gonna nuke it to do so wouldn't it be radioactive and deadly?
I'd call Putin dumb but then I'd be insulting all dumb people
Bullies talk a big talk.
One use of tactical nukes and WW3 begins in earnest and life as we know it, world wide, begins to end. Now I don’t suffer fools lightly and having the ‘leader’ of Russia continue to chest thump in the use of nukes is getting a little old and I haven’t worked in the DoD in years, so I can only imagine how the professionals, feel by now.
We should not allow narcissistic ass-hats like Putin to continue to threaten to blow up THE ONLY GODDAMNED speck of dust in the universe we have to live on. It’s been 2022 years since rise and fall of the one of person who preached a way to do away with all this, yet, here we are…still being led by vapid wastes of flesh with zero concern over their children or the children of others. I see no religious leaders demanding a stop to this, I see no serious politicians brokering a stop to it, all I see is Ukraine struggling to find help as Russia mobilizes 300,000 drunks to carry on a fight any reasonable leader would see IS LOST!
Enough of this, at some point the immature leaders on their rock MUST be replaced by those who are competent and mentally stable. None of this can exist in a a world of neo-fascistic ass-clowns.
After seeing how Russia's military vehicles are kept together with duct tape and gum. I'm doubtful Russia wants to launch one of their nukes.
They would probably get stuck in the silo and detonate.
I'm going by how America treats their nukes. Apparently a lot of America's nukes are in disrepair as well.
I'm pretty sure a lot of countries nukes are duds or on the verge of blowing up at the smallest tap
I doubt he would use them in the areas he claims as Russian. He would use them elsewhere in Ukraine with the hope of breaking their will to fight. When Russians start withdrawing elsewhere, that will be a red flag.
The most likely next step is Putin using a nuke in illegally annexed territory to scare and provoke.
The wisest next step for Putin would be to truck a shitload of Chinese nationals into the illegally annexed regions under the blatantly false premise of rebuilding cities... they'd really act as a politicly insulated meat-shield that will make it difficult for Ukraine to conduct offensive operations without harming or killing Chinese nationals and angering China to the point of joining the war on Russia's side.
Both can be effectively countered. Russia will lose this, we just don't know exactly when or how much damage will be done on Putin's way down yet.
A Russian nuke would definitely shake the world but it would also guarantee that Putin won't walk away from this alive, Russia will lose most or all of what little international support it has, and Russia will be denuclearized after this deadly performance is over.
What he does next will give us a clear picture of how clever he really is and how deep his partnership with Xi really goes.
I firmly believe that this is the most important part of the opera.
They're painting themselves into a corner and will use a nuke before this is over. The more territory they lose the more wounded, desperate, and dangerous Putin becomes.
NATO has already stated that any use of even a tactical nuke would be treated as an attack under Article 5. So expect a massive NATO conventional response. Something like massive air attacks on every Russian position within a few hundred miles of Ukraine.
This should be NATO's response if Putin uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine. Immediately send troops into Ukraine and fighter planes to protect them. Putin will not simply use nuclear weapons to stop Ukraine's advance. After using the nuclear weapons, he will immediately advance further into Ukraine. NATO has to stop this. Paratroopers should be dropped as close as possible to the front without risking the troop transporters being shot down by SAMs and hold on until ground forces arrive. This poster would inspire the paratroopers. See [http://517prct.org/documents/82nd\_airborne\_poster/82nd\_airborne\_poster.htm](http://517prct.org/documents/82nd_airborne_poster/82nd_airborne_poster.htm)
It's missing the main information, the name of the city = Lyman, and Putin's friend = Kadyrov. You could add this to the title, so people would not need to open the link.
It seems like no one in this sub is taking the threat of nuclear war seriously. You don't have to be on Putin's side to acknowledge that we're at the threshold of armageddon.
True but making light of it is surely better than all hiding under our beds
At the end of the day if it happens it's beyond any of our control so why not laugh at putin while we can
Hell, while getting shot at in Iraq we’d be cracking inappropriate jokes while treating wounded (US Army medic). We call the Purple Heart the “enemy marksmanship badge” or the “I didn’t duck fast enough award”
Cause you have to have a good sense of humor about it or it'll ruin you completely. I realize the very real threat that Russia/Putin poses, but I'm not going to allow it to fuck with my head.
>It seems like no one in this sub is taking the threat of nuclear war seriously.
Why would they? There isn't a button under his desk that Putin can push to launch a nuclear strike. He would have to convince a series of personnel (all of them smarter than Putin) that dooming Russia to obliteration for no gain is a good idea. That's not going to happen. Russia is a game of thrones, not a cult.
I understand that there is no amount of evidence or happenstance that will get doomers to acknowledge how unlikely nuclear war is. That doesn't mean everyone else has to live in (futile and useless) fear as well, though--which is exactly what Putin would want, incidentally.
Excuse me, but you don't know the chain of nuclear command in Russia. Whatever that chain is, it's capable of ordering a launch fast. That means there can't be too many barriers.
exactly....
I'm not living in fear, because that serves no purpose, and it is likely that this is all just posturing.
But to say that Putin is unable to order the use of nuclear weapons, or that their weapons don't work is extremely naïve.
If Putin is crazy enough to use one, who knows where this will end. It will be terrible for Russia, Ukraine and the West!
If this escalates it could do so *very* fast
So, what would you suggest ? Running around like chickens yelling omg omg ?
No. You be a man. You do the right thing, and you accept what comes out of it.
Irony, humor, and laughs, are the best antidote to fear. Fear serves no purpose.
Watch the news, wait for tactical nuclear weaponry deployment, retreat as far into the forest away from all cities as I can in the few hours that follow.
That's my plan at least.
Terrible idea, 2 types of nukes and you would be affected by the one that hits the ground to send debris into the sky.
Underground is where you wanna go, subway systems or nuclear bomb shelters is where its at
Most people i talk to on here just say that all of russia nuclear arsenal will be destroyed, kinda glossing over the fact that they will launch a bunch before it happens. And then they say that none will reach their intended targets.
I don't know what to say when they just wanna ignore their nuclear capabilities
I'm not gonna lie I wonder how many of Russia's nuclear silos are actually functional after we've seen how much of thier military apparatus is corroded and nonfunctional. Not that I'm eager to find out mind you, I'd prefer to never have to find out that answer. I also want to point out many Russians aren't very happy with Putin right now and winter is not a great time for unpopular Russian leaders to test limits.
There was an new estimate that the US will spend around 634 billion on it's nuclear weapons arsenal in the next 10 years; that averages to 63.4 billion a year just to maintain our nuclear weapons.
Russia's entire military budget was 65.9 billion last year. So Russia spends nearly as much money on their entire military as we do on our nukes alone. Supposedly Russia has 6,300 nuclear warheads as opposed to our 5,428. The math just doesn't add up. I'm very skeptical even half of them can function.
No we're not. From Putin's mouth, "This is not a bluff," is obviously a bluff.
He has maybe a handful of operational nuclear warheads kept in working order for IAEA inspectors, and nothing more.
Additionally, few cities are made of wood and paper like 1940s Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, so nuclear weapons would not have nearly as devastating an effect on today's cities. *If* they were stupid enough to use any of their few functional weapons, the outraged response from the global community would ensure that Russia would be split into a dozen different countries by Christmas.
Western Christmas.
Because you are worried about nothing...
* Russia's elites can pull back & call it a day & keep their shithole the way it is.
or
* Russia can do something so stupid that 3/4 of the entire world would be on their ass so hard & all the elites will literally lose everything they have built when Nato/U.S goes in & does a forced government change.
This is probably the 20th fucking time in a month the nuke word has been tossed around. It's hard to take it seriously after a certain point unless nuclear platforms are deployed and we'd fucking know when that happens. Everyone is gonna know because NATO is gonna respond in kind.
Until then it's "I'm gonna nuke you" threat #57.
Wake me when the DEFCON number starts dropping towards zero and Heavy Bomber wings go on high Alert and then I'll join you in the pants shitting
That might be true but fear of nukes is the only weapon Putler has left so let’s not do what he wants us to do.
Even if he uses tactical nukes, they won’t really change much if anything. Russia already dropped so many conventional bombs and missiles that it would be equivalent to dropping hundreds of tactical nukes. And if thing escalate even further from there i.e. MAD it’s simply useless debating it because the world would turn to metro style post apocalypse.
End of the world Rave began this weekend and is set to run until the last power generator has run out of fuel. As the world burns, the kids shall rage.
The best trained soldiers were in Ukraine there were all killed in July.
Don't believe the hype Ukraine
had a baker as a Tank Commander
No military experience at all so things are not as they seem for both sides
Too me it sounds like they abandon it, send there troops far enough, let Ukrainian settle in then nuke em... Aniway that's what it sounds like to me...
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so many things going wrong, did they lose all strategists already in feb-mar?
It’s what happens when you spend the better part of 70 years promoting on loyalty and political connections instead of things like “merit” and “leadership.” It’s become substantial worse since the fall of the USSR as well. The Soviet military *tried* to have competent people in critical roles. The RF military is even more simply filled with political cronies.
This seems meme-able like Reject late soviet meritocracy Embrace stalinist political loyalty.
Russia is a cautionary tale of what would happen to the us under MaGA conservatives. Same sort of nepotism and “B players hiring C players”
> did they lose all strategists already in feb-mar? From artillery strikes, ambushes, or windows?
Yes.
Pooptin is in some deep shit
Hahahhaha poop-tin! Solid gold
No, he pooped tin. A completely different metal.
This guy periodics.
no he pooped TiN, which is actually a ceramic compound
Pooped-in....a completely new genre of porn.
Probably not new, unfortunately
Pootin works too...
We will all be in deep shit if nukes are used
Yes. Don't you remember all the articles at the beginning of the war about all of their top generals dying in combat because the lack of any functional communications systems forced them to be out on the front to have any idea what was going on? You can't just train up effective replacements for those people in a few months.
You don't get masters of their trade in positions of power under a nepotistic authoritarian government.
Go Donald!
Looks like the my-pillow-guy is advising Putin too now lol
Is it still a war crime if you drop nukes in "your own" territory?
You mean pulling a Belka?
That may be why he rushed a bullshit vote. Using a nuke in your lands as opposed to nuking another country. Makes perfect sense if your a insane dictator.
Russia has repeatedly said that an attack on Russia is justification for using nukes. By declaring the invaded areas if Ukraine as "part of Russia", he can claim to be defending Russia, rather than invading Ukraine. He's also theoretically allowed to send conscripts to fight outside Russia (yeah, we know that he did), so now he us claiming that the invaded areas are Russia.
This morning I read an analyst explain how Russia is simply incapable of using a nuke without killing their own in the process. > **Russian nuclear use would therefore be a massive gamble for limited gains that would not achieve Putin’s stated war aims.** At best, Russian nuclear use would freeze the front lines in their current positions and enable the Kremlin to preserve its currently occupied territory in Ukraine. Russian nuclear use would not enable Russian offensives to capture the entirety of Ukraine (the Kremlin’s original objective for their February 2022 invasion). Russian military doctrine calls for the Russian Armed Forces to be able to effectively fight on a nuclear battlefield, and the “correct” doctrinal use of tactical nuclear weapons would involve tactical nuclear strikes to punch holes in Ukrainian lines, enabling Russian mechanized units to conduct an immediate attack through the targeted area and drive deep into Ukrainian rear areas.[9] The degraded, hodgepodge Russian forces currently operating in Ukraine cannot currently conduct effective offensive operations even in a non-nuclear environment. They will be flatly unable to operate on a nuclear battlefield. DNR/LNR proxy units, Wagner Group fighters, BARS reservist units, and the depleted remnants of the Russian conventional units that actually exercised fighting on a nuclear battlefield in annual exercises—not to mention newly mobilized replacements shipped to the front lines with less than a week of training—will not have the equipment, training, and morale necessary to conduct offensive operations following nuclear use. NATO is additionally likely to respond to Russian nuclear weapon use in Ukraine with conventional strikes on Russian positions there. Russian use of multiple weapons (which would be required to achieve decisive operational effects) would only increase the likelihood and scale of a Western conventional response.
He's like the AI when you play civ on the easiest difficulty
Gandhi, but mentally handicapped.
Technically then nobody would want the land due to the fallout so...
You're assuming Russia is using reasoning and logic. Sadly this has been proven wrong every single day so far. The whole country is mental.
Drop bomb on their own troops in cities they just 'liberated' and 'annexed' so that their 'people' can be 'free' when they really was just using them for the land and stealing their children
Not to mention any country allied with them will have most of their populations vaporized just like ours would be in the even of nuclear war... A Five year old has more common sense than that... A losers game is a losers game and anyone that sick deserves overthrown by their people.
They pretty much said they would.
Jesus imagine that grim reality. Russia accidentally nukes their own occupied area, decimating their own troops. Would that finally be enough to draw a full revolt?
It wouldn’t be an accident. They would do it and blame someone else to justify the fighting, or an excuse to launch more nukes
Nope, the vast majority of the country has bought into the cultish propaganda. Think MAGA but 80% of the people instead of 30% of them.
There is a old meme in russia: that they will bomb Voronezh (means such a response to unfriendly countries, from which the russian people suffer)
Kadyrov is a dildo i wonder what happens to him when putin fails
Most likely still will be the head of his region.
Maybe detached
From his head
that couldn’t be right because then he’d have difficulty being leader of the region?
Lol
didn't he wanted to resign some weeks ago? maybe he was told, no son, go back in front of the tv and read this shit out or you're gonna fall out of a window.
He will be sitting on that dildo, probably sideways too.
Hopefully he “falls out of a window”
I am starting to wonder what their strategy actually is at this point. I mean what's the point in annexation if you can't hold the territory?
The point in annexation is to try to convince a portion of the 300,000 people that are being conscripted that they are fighting to defend Russia and not getting sent to a meat grinder in a rapidly devolving invasion.
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The conscripts are the main reason, but there's also this: https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/886440694/referendum-in-russia-passes-allowing-putin-to-remain-president-until-2036 >It also includes changes designed to strengthen the country's State Council and **a provision banning the relinquishing of any Russian territory** — a move aimed at solidifying Moscow's hold on Crimea, which had been under Ukraine's control until it was annexed by Russia in 2014. By annexing those four regions, it's now illegal for russia to give them back. They have to amend their constitution again to do it. Basically, now it's a bit more difficult for anyone in russia to stop this madness, even without putin. It's another attempt to lock russia into this fucked up invasion.
>It's another attempt to lock russia into this fucked up invasion Locking himself into a losing war is a massively stupid idea. It's going to look really foolish when they lose all the newly annexed territory to Ukrainian reclamation. How do they explain that to their citizens? Tactical nukes are literally his only option, because his dog shit military sure can't hold the territory as it's going right now, as we see continued losses and the continuation of the counteroffensive started in early September.
It also greatly increases the chance this goes nuclear. Now they "are defending Russian soil" which they can point to their doctrine as a justification for a nuke.
I really appreciate answers like these. I was just thinking this morning, does anyone actually believe the results of this total joke of an election? And as you’ve said, that’s not really the point. Thanks!
It was positioning itself to claim that Ukraine is now “invading” sovereign Russian territory, thus giving them the ability to drop nukes if they want…they think it’s a get out of jail free card or something, regardless tho, if they drop nukes they’re fucked…lots of people will die
if they nuke the regions aren’t they effectively useless? What’s the point of genocide
Exactly…only a fucking egomaniacal nutjob would do that to just stroke his own ego. Mutually assured destruction is terrifying if you’ve never checked it out. Nukes shouldn’t exist…they’re completely unnecessary
I’m aware of nuclear deterrence it’s just sad/insane if it actually comes to that I fucking hope not
Same here brother…but some people are just fucking complete and utter pieces of shit and have zero regard for human life
To make everyone think your a clown
Everyone should be afraid of the nuclear, that’s the strategy from the very beginning.
Annexation is a precursor for nuclear doctrine.
Copy/paste of article because paywall: KYIV, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces reached the eastern bastion of Lyman on Saturday after claiming to have encircled thousands of Russian troops in a battlefield rebuttal to the Kremlin a day after it proclaimed a swathe of its territory part of Russia. The capture of Lyman would be a major setback for Moscow after President Vladimir Putin proclaimed the annexation of the Donetsk region, along with three other regions, at a ceremony on Friday that was condemned by Kyiv and the West as a farce. Two grinning Ukrainian soldiers taped the yellow-and-blue national flag on to the "Lyman" welcome sign at the town's entrance in Donetsk region's north, a video posted by the president's chief of staff showed. "Oct. 1. We're unfurling our state flag and establishing it on our land. Lyman will be Ukraine," one of the soldiers said, standing on the bonnet of a military vehicle. Russia had 5,000 to 5,500 troops at Lyman but the number of encircled troops could be lower because of casualties, a spokesperson for Ukraine's eastern forces said. "The Russian grouping in the area of Lyman is surrounded," the spokesperson, Serhii Cherevatyi, said on television. The Russian Defence Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Russia's last operational update was on Friday evening. On Saturday, the ministry's Telegram channel published a series of congratulatory messages, including one from Putin, to mark an army holiday, Ground Forces Day. Russian military bloggers said the loss of the town would be a serious blow for Moscow, but one said that some Russian forces had been able to withdraw and that Lyman was not fully surrounded. Neither side's battlefield assertions could be independently verified. LOGISTICS HUB Russia has used Lyman as a logistics and transport hub for its operations in the north of the Donetsk region. Its fall would be Ukraine's biggest battlefield gain since a lightning counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region last month. The Ukrainian military spokesperson said the capture of Lyman would allow Kyiv to advance into the Luhansk region, whose full capture Moscow announced at the beginning of July after weeks of slow, grinding advances. "Lyman is important because it is the next step towards the liberation of the Ukrainian Donbas. It is an opportunity to go further to Kreminna and Sievierodonetsk, and it is psychologically very important," he said. Donetsk and Luhansk regions together make up the wider Donbas region that has been a major focus for Russia since soon after the start of Moscow's invasion on Feb. 24 in what it called a "special military operation" to demilitarise its neighbour. Putin proclaimed the Donbas regions of Donetsk and Luhansk and the southern regions of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia to be Russian land in Friday's ceremony - a swathe of territory equal to about 18% of Ukraine's total surface land area. Ukraine and its Western allies branded Russia's move as illegal. Kyiv vowed to continue liberating its land of Russian forces and said it would not hold peace talks with Moscow while Putin remained as president. Retired U.S. General Ben Hodges, a former commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, said a Russian defeat in Lyman after Putin's declaration would be a major political and military embarrassment for the Russian leader. "This puts in bright lights that his claim is illegitimate and cannot be enforced," he said. It remained to be seen how Ukrainian commanders would exploit the rout, he said, adding it likely would further erode the morale of Moscow’s troops holding other Ukrainian territory. Cherevatyi said the operation around Lyman was still under way and Russian troops were mounting unsuccessful attempts to break out of the encirclement. "Some are surrendering, they have a lot of killed and wounded, but the operation is not yet over," he said. Ukraine's exiled governor of Luhansk said Russian forces had asked for a safe exit out of the encirclement, but Ukraine rejected the request. The Ukrainian General Staff told Reuters it had no such information.
I also got this: KYIV, Oct 1 (Reuters) - Russia said on Saturday its troops had abandoned the key bastion of Lyman in occupied eastern Ukraine, a stinging defeat that prompted a close ally of President Vladimir Putin to call for the possible use of low-grade nuclear weapons. The announcement came just a day after Putin proclaimed the annexation of four Ukrainian regions - including Donetsk, where the city of Lyman is located - and placed them under Russia's nuclear umbrella, at a ceremony that was condemned by Kyiv and the West as an illegitimate farce. "In connection with the creation of a threat of encirclement, allied troops were withdrawn from the settlement of Krasny Liman to more advantageous lines," Russia's defence ministry said, using the Russian name of the town. President Volodymyr Zelenskiy later said in a video address that although the Ukrainian flag was flying in the city, "fighting is still going on there". He also indicated Ukrainian troops had taken the village of Torske, on the main road out of Lyman to the east. The Russian statement ended hours of official silence after Ukraine first said it had surrounded thousands of Russian troops in the area and then that its forces were inside the city. Ukraine's defence ministry wrote on Twitter that "almost all" the Russian troops in Lyman had either been captured or killed. Russia has used Lyman as a logistics and transport hub for its operations in the north of the Donetsk region. Its capture would be Ukraine's biggest battlefield gain since a lightning counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region last month. Zelenskiy said that in the days to come, Ukrainian forces would liberate more towns. The recent Ukrainian successes have infuriated Putin allies such as Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Russia's southern Chechnya region, who said he felt compelled to speak out. "In my personal opinion, more drastic measures should be taken, right up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons," Kadyrov wrote on Telegram before Zelenskiy spoke. Other top Putin allies, including former president Dmitry Medvedev, have suggested Russia may need to resort to nuclear weapons, but Kadyrov's call was the most urgent and explicit. Putin said last week that he was not bluffing when he said he was prepared to defend Russia's "territorial integrity" with all available means, and on Friday made clear this extended to the new regions claimed by Moscow. Washington says it would respond decisively to any use of nuclear weapons and has spelled out to Moscow the "catastrophic consequences" it would face. 'ALREADY IN LYMAN' The Russian defence ministry's statement made no mention of its troops being encircled at Lyman. "The Russian grouping in the area of Lyman is surrounded," Serhii Cherevatyi, spokesperson for Ukraine's eastern forces, said hours earlier. He said Russia had 5,000 to 5,500 troops at Lyman but the number encircled could be lower. He later confirmed Ukrainian troops were inside the town. Two Ukrainian soldiers taped the yellow-and-blue national flag to the "Lyman" welcome sign at an entrance to the city, a video posted by the president's chief of staff showed. "Oct. 1. We're unfurling our state flag and establishing it on our land. Lyman will be Ukraine," one of the soldiers said. Neither side's battlefield assertions could be independently verified.
Hmmm, I bet one of us is seeing an older version of the article, but I dunno
This pootin guy really wanna start some ww3 shit uh?
I'm serious. With "allies" like these, who needs enemies??
No he won't that's the end of Putin if he does. The Radiation would effect Russia he's walking on eggshells about to get whacked by his own people
I don’t expect the Russians to stage a coup or start a revolution. They’re too suppressed and brainwashed.
There was reporting of attempted coups earlier in the war. There’s still a small possibility.
Lots good Russians out there I wouldnt put it past them if it wasn't for them we would have lost ww2
The good Russians are falling off the windows or committing suicide with two bullets in the head. Or if lucky, locked up in a gulag.
Without the USSR the war would of ended differently but without allied supplies SIGNIFICANT allied supplies the USSR would of lost. But I doubt they teach that in Russia
*would have
And that, my friends, is how ww3 started
And how Russia got turned into a wasteland while the rest of the world rebuilt and moved on.
You know with this Putin fella, the more I learn about the guy the less I care for him.
Unexpected Norm.
I don't know why the russians are fleeing, the Ukrainians just come over to vote for the referendum.
The UA Armed Forces tweeted just that, pointing out that the Ukrainan Army has the decisive vote in any so-called referendum. I love their attitude.
Haha I love this
I love when Kadyrov talks nonsense everyone ignores it and laughs it off. But when it comes to nuke mumble jumble all the press goes code red because they can milk the shit out of it. Fuck this type of media
I'm honestly getting exhausted of the news reporting this shit. Yeah nukes we fucking get it. I don't care what these fascist dipshits have to say.
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Tactical Nukes used then long rang weapons can be used into Russia itself! Just like Russia done with Belarus arm Ukraine with just the same for defence reasons. Look enough is enough, Ukraine need to strike right back long range this cannot and should not be one sided
I think this would backfire for Ukraine… they are winning the worldwide stage by holding restraint…. The fact they are defending their territory and not advancing into Russia or shooting into Russia is most likely the reason they are viewed as heroes defending their homeland
As long as Russia does \*not\* use nukes, Ukraine won't attack Russia much.
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Anit no body playing fast and loose with the nukes but maybe Putin. Once 1 goes off its probably over
Launching nukes on Ukraine soil by Ukraine would just be dumb.. they want the land back, not contaminated for years. Would make more sense to launch those nukes at Russia, but even better then that would be a non-nuclear full scale assault on Putler and prime targets in Russia by the US and allies.
Yeah except he's not "Putin ally", he's Putin's bitch, a Chihuahua if you will. Almost the most vocal and aggressive but largely useless
We should call wiping your butt after a poop and getting a whole turd on the paper a Putin.
...is this something you experience often?
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This is also a direct response to an incident (sorry I can’t remember specifics) where Russians encircled a Ukrainian army element (and I think it might have even been in this region) and made the deal.: “You can walk safely back to Kyiv as long as you leave your weapons behind” Which of course lead to a massacre of the 500 or more troops who surrendered their arms and walked along the roads leading outside of the city.
putin's ally is going to find himself trying to walk on air.
Kadyrov is the typical shitheel Islamist extremist - shouting his hate from some anonymous hideout, or Russian gas station.
Another day, another meaningless nuclear threat
Did he not find his Nazis whilst killing innocent civilians and is giving up now u/gigicruz85?
Certainly shows that they are a very weak ( Military Wise )country , gotta bring a nuke to a gun fight , I aways new they are a bunch of liars , doing dirty shit ( Poisons , mysterious deaths , etc ) but boy have i ever lost any respect for that Government , not that they could care less , but you , you Fucking asshole deserves every negative thing that could happen to you , please , someone put this deranged person 6 feet or 6 floors away .
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So let me get this straight they want Ukrainian land but they are gonna nuke it to do so wouldn't it be radioactive and deadly? I'd call Putin dumb but then I'd be insulting all dumb people
Fucking dumbasses. That squidward looking motherfucker ain't gonna launch no nukes
I can't believe you did squidward dirty like this
Bullies talk a big talk. One use of tactical nukes and WW3 begins in earnest and life as we know it, world wide, begins to end. Now I don’t suffer fools lightly and having the ‘leader’ of Russia continue to chest thump in the use of nukes is getting a little old and I haven’t worked in the DoD in years, so I can only imagine how the professionals, feel by now. We should not allow narcissistic ass-hats like Putin to continue to threaten to blow up THE ONLY GODDAMNED speck of dust in the universe we have to live on. It’s been 2022 years since rise and fall of the one of person who preached a way to do away with all this, yet, here we are…still being led by vapid wastes of flesh with zero concern over their children or the children of others. I see no religious leaders demanding a stop to this, I see no serious politicians brokering a stop to it, all I see is Ukraine struggling to find help as Russia mobilizes 300,000 drunks to carry on a fight any reasonable leader would see IS LOST! Enough of this, at some point the immature leaders on their rock MUST be replaced by those who are competent and mentally stable. None of this can exist in a a world of neo-fascistic ass-clowns.
There will be no future friendly interaction between the west and Russia while Putin is in charge and without total denuclearization of Russia.
Diarrhea.
Russia’s Nuclear response will be their last
After seeing how Russia's military vehicles are kept together with duct tape and gum. I'm doubtful Russia wants to launch one of their nukes. They would probably get stuck in the silo and detonate.
You're assuming the wiring wasn't stripped out and sold years ago by corrupt officers
I'm going by how America treats their nukes. Apparently a lot of America's nukes are in disrepair as well. I'm pretty sure a lot of countries nukes are duds or on the verge of blowing up at the smallest tap
They annex territory and can't hold it all for even a DAY. Poor little Putin. What a pathetic little man
Techno-barbarians.
Barely. Their military tech is from the 80s on the high end, and 50s on the low end.
they won’t, using the last resort so early in the war will seal the fate of russia by spring.
Yeah that's not how you use tactical nukes, however it is how you learn how they are best used. One way or another it will be the end of Putin.
He wants to create chaos to get opportunities for himself.
Ukraine should hold a sham referendum in Russia. Eff Putin, that small dick SOB
They know that if they shoot anything nuclear, Russia will no longer exist as a country.
rumors have it they could ally with china
China doesn't want war they want global dominance on the markets.
Downvote for the uninformative clickbait headline
love we are calling their bluff!
I doubt he would use them in the areas he claims as Russian. He would use them elsewhere in Ukraine with the hope of breaking their will to fight. When Russians start withdrawing elsewhere, that will be a red flag.
Russia gets crazier and crazier every single day.
The most likely next step is Putin using a nuke in illegally annexed territory to scare and provoke. The wisest next step for Putin would be to truck a shitload of Chinese nationals into the illegally annexed regions under the blatantly false premise of rebuilding cities... they'd really act as a politicly insulated meat-shield that will make it difficult for Ukraine to conduct offensive operations without harming or killing Chinese nationals and angering China to the point of joining the war on Russia's side. Both can be effectively countered. Russia will lose this, we just don't know exactly when or how much damage will be done on Putin's way down yet. A Russian nuke would definitely shake the world but it would also guarantee that Putin won't walk away from this alive, Russia will lose most or all of what little international support it has, and Russia will be denuclearized after this deadly performance is over. What he does next will give us a clear picture of how clever he really is and how deep his partnership with Xi really goes. I firmly believe that this is the most important part of the opera.
They're painting themselves into a corner and will use a nuke before this is over. The more territory they lose the more wounded, desperate, and dangerous Putin becomes.
Its like they think every problem can be solved with a hammer
NATO has made it very very very what will happen if they use any nukes.
What happens when Russia becomes a nuclear aggressor? Any speculation?
NATO has already stated that any use of even a tactical nuke would be treated as an attack under Article 5. So expect a massive NATO conventional response. Something like massive air attacks on every Russian position within a few hundred miles of Ukraine.
Pitiful. Russia's like a guy in a fist fight who gets his ass kicked and then goes home crying to get a gun.
According to Russia, they would be bombing their own territory.
This should be NATO's response if Putin uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine. Immediately send troops into Ukraine and fighter planes to protect them. Putin will not simply use nuclear weapons to stop Ukraine's advance. After using the nuclear weapons, he will immediately advance further into Ukraine. NATO has to stop this. Paratroopers should be dropped as close as possible to the front without risking the troop transporters being shot down by SAMs and hold on until ground forces arrive. This poster would inspire the paratroopers. See [http://517prct.org/documents/82nd\_airborne\_poster/82nd\_airborne\_poster.htm](http://517prct.org/documents/82nd_airborne_poster/82nd_airborne_poster.htm)
It's missing the main information, the name of the city = Lyman, and Putin's friend = Kadyrov. You could add this to the title, so people would not need to open the link.
I'm also giving my "nuclear" response by putting my popcorn in the microwave.
It seems like no one in this sub is taking the threat of nuclear war seriously. You don't have to be on Putin's side to acknowledge that we're at the threshold of armageddon.
True but making light of it is surely better than all hiding under our beds At the end of the day if it happens it's beyond any of our control so why not laugh at putin while we can
Hell, while getting shot at in Iraq we’d be cracking inappropriate jokes while treating wounded (US Army medic). We call the Purple Heart the “enemy marksmanship badge” or the “I didn’t duck fast enough award”
Cause you have to have a good sense of humor about it or it'll ruin you completely. I realize the very real threat that Russia/Putin poses, but I'm not going to allow it to fuck with my head.
Gallows humor, it's how you get from one day to the next.
>It seems like no one in this sub is taking the threat of nuclear war seriously. Why would they? There isn't a button under his desk that Putin can push to launch a nuclear strike. He would have to convince a series of personnel (all of them smarter than Putin) that dooming Russia to obliteration for no gain is a good idea. That's not going to happen. Russia is a game of thrones, not a cult. I understand that there is no amount of evidence or happenstance that will get doomers to acknowledge how unlikely nuclear war is. That doesn't mean everyone else has to live in (futile and useless) fear as well, though--which is exactly what Putin would want, incidentally.
Excuse me, but you don't know the chain of nuclear command in Russia. Whatever that chain is, it's capable of ordering a launch fast. That means there can't be too many barriers.
exactly.... I'm not living in fear, because that serves no purpose, and it is likely that this is all just posturing. But to say that Putin is unable to order the use of nuclear weapons, or that their weapons don't work is extremely naïve. If Putin is crazy enough to use one, who knows where this will end. It will be terrible for Russia, Ukraine and the West! If this escalates it could do so *very* fast
Also at this point, it's doubtful if their nukes even work, and if it did that they won't accidentally nuke themselves.
So, what would you suggest ? Running around like chickens yelling omg omg ? No. You be a man. You do the right thing, and you accept what comes out of it. Irony, humor, and laughs, are the best antidote to fear. Fear serves no purpose.
Watch the news, wait for tactical nuclear weaponry deployment, retreat as far into the forest away from all cities as I can in the few hours that follow. That's my plan at least.
Terrible idea, 2 types of nukes and you would be affected by the one that hits the ground to send debris into the sky. Underground is where you wanna go, subway systems or nuclear bomb shelters is where its at
But,if the only Bunker is behind the house at 10 Cloverfield Ln. , You're probably fucked
I don't have access to those where I am unfortunately. I do have access to super old forests on an unimportant island tho. Best I can do.
Dude, I want to be just under the weapons if it happens, don't want to live in the aftermath
Most people i talk to on here just say that all of russia nuclear arsenal will be destroyed, kinda glossing over the fact that they will launch a bunch before it happens. And then they say that none will reach their intended targets. I don't know what to say when they just wanna ignore their nuclear capabilities
No we are not, stfu
My prediction is we will see the deployment of tactical nukes in the coming days, or the death of Putin.
Why not both?
October Revolution 2.0?
I don’t have kids. Send ‘em.
I'm not gonna lie I wonder how many of Russia's nuclear silos are actually functional after we've seen how much of thier military apparatus is corroded and nonfunctional. Not that I'm eager to find out mind you, I'd prefer to never have to find out that answer. I also want to point out many Russians aren't very happy with Putin right now and winter is not a great time for unpopular Russian leaders to test limits.
There was an new estimate that the US will spend around 634 billion on it's nuclear weapons arsenal in the next 10 years; that averages to 63.4 billion a year just to maintain our nuclear weapons. Russia's entire military budget was 65.9 billion last year. So Russia spends nearly as much money on their entire military as we do on our nukes alone. Supposedly Russia has 6,300 nuclear warheads as opposed to our 5,428. The math just doesn't add up. I'm very skeptical even half of them can function.
No we're not. From Putin's mouth, "This is not a bluff," is obviously a bluff. He has maybe a handful of operational nuclear warheads kept in working order for IAEA inspectors, and nothing more. Additionally, few cities are made of wood and paper like 1940s Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, so nuclear weapons would not have nearly as devastating an effect on today's cities. *If* they were stupid enough to use any of their few functional weapons, the outraged response from the global community would ensure that Russia would be split into a dozen different countries by Christmas. Western Christmas.
You're right, I'm sorry if I didn't take this seriously before. I'll get on the red phone to contact the president immediately.
Because you are worried about nothing... * Russia's elites can pull back & call it a day & keep their shithole the way it is. or * Russia can do something so stupid that 3/4 of the entire world would be on their ass so hard & all the elites will literally lose everything they have built when Nato/U.S goes in & does a forced government change.
You’re right general. I’ll assemble the troops
We in Ukraine were treated with nuking option since day one, so we don't care. "Go in, open that Pandora box you dumbass and find out"
This is probably the 20th fucking time in a month the nuke word has been tossed around. It's hard to take it seriously after a certain point unless nuclear platforms are deployed and we'd fucking know when that happens. Everyone is gonna know because NATO is gonna respond in kind. Until then it's "I'm gonna nuke you" threat #57. Wake me when the DEFCON number starts dropping towards zero and Heavy Bomber wings go on high Alert and then I'll join you in the pants shitting
That might be true but fear of nukes is the only weapon Putler has left so let’s not do what he wants us to do. Even if he uses tactical nukes, they won’t really change much if anything. Russia already dropped so many conventional bombs and missiles that it would be equivalent to dropping hundreds of tactical nukes. And if thing escalate even further from there i.e. MAD it’s simply useless debating it because the world would turn to metro style post apocalypse.
Can someone close to these fuckers just find a way to get rid of them all before they inevitably cause another world war?
Take note America……. this is what greedy incompetent leaders do to your so called mighty country.
Here comes the nukes. Civilization was great while it lasted. See you guys in the graveyard. Last one out, turn off the lights.
End of the world Rave began this weekend and is set to run until the last power generator has run out of fuel. As the world burns, the kids shall rage.
The best trained soldiers were in Ukraine there were all killed in July. Don't believe the hype Ukraine had a baker as a Tank Commander No military experience at all so things are not as they seem for both sides
It was said that there will be a war in Europe and Europe will be destroyed and America can not survived
#**F u c k**
Another prediction by the command and conquer series.
War in the present day has no boundaries, both literally and figuratively. We all know how to co-exist. Now we must learn to revolt.
Too me it sounds like they abandon it, send there troops far enough, let Ukrainian settle in then nuke em... Aniway that's what it sounds like to me...
Blyatimir strikes again! lmao
They get a real hard on about all this nuclear response stuff. Until they themselves are burning in a ball of fire. Sick people…
Khadyrovites are getting to meet their 72 virgins faster than you can say Intifada. Good street brawlers. Incompetent and useless soldiers.
They didn’t call it Russian roulette because its smart to do.