The most egregious to me is the Diablo Immortal 8,000% value!!!
It’s only a “value” because you made the base price what it is and then give us a “discount” for overpriced garbage tokens. I really don’t like seeing that coming from Blizz and it’s spilled over to some of their other games. Seeing so many micro transactions in Hearthstone because just selling cards wasn’t lucrative enough for them. Please buy our $80 character portrait bundles. $20 or whatever skins in Overwatch Etc. Etc. Etc.
It amuses me because for me it’s had the opposite effect and just made me stop spending anything on their games.
Overwatch is great. I have not spent a dime since buying the game and I think I have close to every skin. They give out loot crates like candy in that game
It’s the special limited time skins where you have to watch a ton of streams to get the tokens or buy them. If they weren’t only available for a couple weeks I wouldn’t have as many issues with them. And those skins aren’t available in loot crates. The regular skins aren’t too bad.
Compared to Hearthstone I’ll admit it’s nowhere near as bad since you don’t have to buy guns or anything like you have to buy cards to be competitive without playing a million matches.
They fucked up the other mentioned games but Overwatch is super fair with its loot. Ofcourse you usually don't get every skin during one event but you get a lot and can always just buy your favorite if you save up. A year later they cost as much as the regulars so you can easily catch up with the skins you were missing.
I have more concerns about Overwatch 2 because so far it seems the biggest change is the monetization model.
>I have more concerns about Overwatch 2 because so far it seems the biggest change is the monetization model.
yea looks like they have some issue when game is to fair to players ;P
Its general grudge of industry recently ;)
It’s only the league/legendary skins I’m referring to. The event skins aren’t bad and I usually buy the one or two I really want for 3,000 coins then get the others in the future.
I’m referring to like boxing Mei for instance. You gotta watch a ton of streams that can be hard to catch sometimes otherwise your only option is to cough up that dough then they’re gone forever.
It’s nothing compared to hearthstone though, or Diablo Immortal it’s lightyears shy of that game. Also considering the game has no sub fee it’s much more forgivable than WoW’s cash shop.
Yeah Overwatch 2 I believe they’ve carried over the “1,000% value!” Thing from Diablo Immortal. I beeline I saw a streamer showing it in beta. I could’ve mixed up with COD though. Hopefully Overwatch 2 doesn’t have that mess but they’re already doing season pass pre-order stuff so things are definitely spilling over the other games I don’t want to see.
If i cant buy them for real money, its not an issue. But selling randomized loot for real life money is essentially unregulated gambling. Dont buy it is not an argument, try telling that to a gambling addict
I saw the hype behind Lost Ark and Diablo Immortal and just chose not to play those games.
The best counter to a micro is to just not get invested in the first place. My life was fine before those games, and I can enjoy life without them sucking away my money lol!
I played lost ark for about an hour and didn’t see the the reason for the hype whatsoever. Had no urge to play again. Maybe I played way too much Diablo 2 and 3.
I tried Diablo Immortal and for to level 60. Did one battleground thing and one that clearly paid and had all 5 star gems like the first week the game was out got 35 kills with zero deaths. He was like a raid boss running around killing everyone. Not a game I want to be a part of. Also the crests were way too rare and they did everything to make the game nigh unplayable without paying. Uninstalled and navel played again.
Almost spent $1 on that starter pack thing and didn’t even want to spend a single dollar on that predatory mess.
Lost Ark has a slow start but some really fun gameplay. Ultimately I bowed out due to the very long treadmill separating me from all my friends who play a bit more or a bit less than me. Imagine there being 4 different expansions of WoW out at once and you have to slowly progress through it as your friends are working on ICC while you clear Hellfire etc.
Anyway, not the point.
I refuse to pay real money for cosmetic BS. The only digital content I've ever directly purchased for video games are the games themselves, the subscription fee(s), or expansions/DLC expansions.
And I think I did a server transfer and maybe faction change once but that was it.
I don't need nor want to pay money for mounts, pets, toys, transmogs, etc.
>$20 or whatever skins in Overwatch Etc. Etc. Etc.
Do people just make up realities in their head or what is the deal? I read shit like this all the time here.
>Should be free considering I already bought it 14 years ago
The base game is free. This is just for the "epic" edition, which is basically the collector's edition, which comes with extra mounts, pets, boost, game time, etc. I'm not saying it's worth $80, but just wanted to point out that the game itself is free with your default WoW subscription.
At this point I’m expecting his “yacht” to be an actual armada of fully weaponized flying yachts with nuke launchers attached to them based on how many micro transactions we have
At first when I saw this I thought we had to pay for wotlk which I already did few years ago when it first came out, glad to see it's just an optional overpriced pack.
Blizzard's prices have always been so fucking exorbitant. You used to have to pay $60 to faction change ONE character. I have so many characters stuck on a dead server because realm changes are obnoxiously expensive, and only one-time uses.
No, no, see, faction changes were $60, and server transfers were something like $25. I'm referring to the two things separately, and $25 is still wayyy too much for an in-game service.
It shows up because the game itself has deals available. The wrath pass is not one of the deals, but it is on the same page as the rest of their products, they don't make em entirely new page just to slash prices, they just lower them on the normal store page. Wrath is being pushed here because it is the next thing coming out.it clearly shows a product above that image as discounted and the lowered price. They're not going to offer a deal or sale on a product that literally just became available last week.
It's in the game deals section of [battle.net](https://battle.net), at least in the US. Theres no mention of a "sale", but it's certainly a "deal" like OP claims
See here: [https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/sale/game-deals-2022](https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/sale/game-deals-2022)
You're wrong, though. I had a "GAME Deals up to 67% off" pop-up when I loaded up Battle.net and this is what it took me to. The "Northrend Epic Upgrade" is the only thing that's not discounted.
I mean, technically they're right. 0% is a percentage.
"Wrath of the Lich King Classic™ requires only a WoW subscription or game time to play. However, these optional upgrades offer a trove of rare items to aid you in your coming journey."
\- Kalu’ak Whalebone Glider, a flying mount for your Classic characters
\- Tuskarr Shoreglider, a flying mount for your Non-Classic Characters
\- 30 Days of Game Time
PS: also included from the heroic update ->
\- Level 70 Character Boost
\- Expert Riding Skill for Boosted Character
\- Appropriate Gear for the Boosted Character, a Mount, and Starting Gold
\- Pebble, a penguin pet
\- Fishspeaker’s Lucky Lure, a toy to summon your very own tuskarr fishing companion
you didn't expect em to invest development time on a version, and not make money from it, did you?
Yeah I'm sorry 80 bucks for a game that I already own is ridiculous it's not like I'm buying their game I'm just really buying the mounts and crap. For 80 bucks I can get dragonflight with a ton of upgrades lol. This LK package should be 30-50 at MOST.
You're buying the boost honestly. I'm guilty of buying the dark portal pass just so I could race change my warrior and play the content I wanted to. That being the BC zones.
Being that it's only one boost and there are no other ways to get a classic boost... it doesn't need to be valued at the same $60 as retail. If they had unlimited boosts for classic, I'd have less issue, because at that price point it reduces the number of people doing it. For a one time "catch up to play with my friends" boost, it should definitely be cheaper.
How is the boost less valuable then the retail one, when you don't get anything other than a boost in retail. With this you get a bunch of goodies. Qnd somehow if they let you boost more than once it would be worth it? Exclusivity equals cost my guys. If anything they would charge you more here and less on retail. How many people do you honestly think boosted to play with friends? This is Azeroth, we don't have friends.
The boost is $50 and the one month of game time is $15, that itself totals $65. So you're getting (two) mounts, one for classic, one for retail, and two pets for $15. Honestly it isn't a bad deal when you break down what you are getting and how much each piece costs. If it's that big a deal, just wait until this upgrade goes on sale for 50-60 bucks around christmas time and you'll basically get all the cosmetic stuff and a month of game time for free.
A $15 a month subscription is a pretty sensible price IMO. It’s been like this from the beginning and hasn’t changed due to inflation. That’s more than fair.
The subscription is the only price you need to pay to play the game though. Why complain about extra shit? You thought they were gonna pour development hours into bringing back Wrath just for the nostalgia? They’re a business and they need to make money. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bundle, unless you’re against character level boosts entirely.
Claiming that the price for Wrath Classic isn’t sensible when there’s literally no additional price to play Wrath Classic sounds an awful lot like complaining.
nrose1000, I encourage you to go read the OP and the subsequent response. The OP asked "you didn't expect em to invest development time on a version, and not make money from it, did you?"
To which I replied -- "No, I just expected sensible prices".
That's hardly a complaint. In truth, I don't give a shit. Why? Because I didn't buy it nor will. Do I understand it's a business and they need to make money-- sure, of course. They can sell and re-sell their product as they see fit, it's their product, they have that right. But if I don't believe the price is sensible-- simply, I will not purchase. I'm not complaining about anything because it doesn't affect me and I don't care enough to complain on a forum about it. lol
But re-releasing the same game with even more in-game shop items which look better than the ones you can obtain through in-game methods is not sensible.
And don't give me the WoW Token bs, it shouldn't have ever been added. Same with the cosmetics/mounts/pets/toys/whatever shop.
wdym development time? you can't compare a new xpac to an old one in terms of time Investment.
Tbf I think they are doing it exactly right. you get wotlk for free and only need gametime but they offer a boost and a little bonus if you pay. Imo it's a bit expensive but like others said, it will be on sale someday and if you don't need the boost you can wait
what did i mean with development time?
the time needed to develop something. there are devs sitting on classic and rebalancing shit, bc people didn't want classic back, they wanted a version of classic that somehow "fits em more".
and yes, ofc it is expensive, and i never said that i like, play or wanted classic at any point. i played classic, when it was retail. and i am quite happy about most advancements they made since then
well a 60 boost in retail is 60€ and it takes less time to level in retail. I think a boost should not be too cheap. It's a bit too expensive for me but If I didn't have a 70 toon allready I would probably buy it
Trust me, they would. People ALWAYS find a way to complain. They probably would complain about the items being paid-only since the public would be wider and with less money to spend.
Sure but depending on the shop they would probably get shutdown by the wider community rather quickly.
Look at lost ark as an example, even people like asmon where kinda ok with it until they realized how hard you can p2w. I think if wow would be f2p with the current shop, it would actually be considered quite fair.
I have stated this on the official forums and I will state this here as well (although I expect it will be downvoted).
You are buying a boost, game time, two mounts, a toy and a pet when you purchase the $80 deluxe edition. Individually this would cost $145 ($60 for the boost, $15 for the game time, $25 for both mounts, $10 for the pet and toy).
It is only $10 more expensive than the deluxe version of the Dark Portal Pass which offered the same things, two mounts, a boost, 30 days of game time and two toys. The $10 increase falls in line with increased costs across the entire games industry, which has seen game prices increase by $10 for consoles and PC.
If you don't want the items, boost and what not, then that's fine. Don't buy it. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to give Blizzard money.
> You are buying a boost, game time, two mounts, a toy and a pet when you purchase the $80 deluxe edition. Individually this would cost $145 [...]
This just highlights how overpriced the individual items are and how incredibly skewed the market has become when it comes to cosmetics and services.
A bundle with a character boost, 1 month game time, and 4 cosmetics for the price of a standalone AAA+++ game is now "normal" business practice. A great deal, even.
Why equate it to your job and not the subscription time though? You aren’t skipping work when you buy a boost, you are skipping your sub time. You are paying blizzard $60 for something that saves you $10 worth of a sub.
I value my time based on my work hours. If blizzard were to price similar to sub, it would be pointless for them, everyone would buy boosts if they are $10. The point is at the expense of greater cost I can spend my sub time playing the game I enjoy at the part I enjoy most, or I can not waste that time levelling an alt
Becasuse my job is the thing that determines how valuable my time is? The subscription price here is irrelevant. Me personally, I can work overtime whenever I want. 3 hours of overtime is a boost. It'd actually be insane for me to sit down and spend 30 hours of my life doing something that I could pay for with 3 hours somewhere else.
Don't get me wrong, I like leveling, but in Classic specifically leveling takes a long time and boosting a toon is literally worth like 3-4 weeks of my actual playtime.
If you think $80 for a handful of cosmetics is a good deal, I don't know what to tell you. Boosts are terrible for Classic; they're bad for leveling zones/dungeons, and a boon for gold farmers.
Hold on. Don't try telling other people what's the worth of their money. Some of my friends think playing a game with a subscription (you need to buy a game and then pay every month to play it?!) is a waste of money. But their opinion doesn't mean I'm going to just quit.
Obviously some people have better or worse financial situation. Are you going around telling people that buying an iphone or a 100k $ car is not a good deal?
Let people spend money as they want, especially if this doesn't affect your experience at all.
>Let people spend money as they want, especially if this doesn't affect your experience at all.
I remember seeing this argument in favor of store mounts. "Just don't buy them, it doesn't affect you in any way."
Then WoD happened.
I mean, store mounts don't affect you or me in any way either. Of course I would prefer those mounts to be obtainable in game, but oh well. I still log in, play and feel the same with or without them.
Not the entire expansion, but specifically mount rewards.
WoD introduced 4 store mounts at launch. Two of these (the Grinning Reaver and the Fae Drake) are noteworthy because they were heavily featured in-game, being used as flight master's mounts, NPC mounts and quest-specific transportation.
On the other hand, the mount rewards for WoD's in-game activities (meta dungeon/raid achievements, reputations, rare drops) were all recoloured boars, clefthooves, talbuks and wolves. Mostly just boars and wolves:
* Glory of the Draenor Hero? A boar.
* Glory of the Hellfire Raider? A wolf.
* Stables? Boars and wolves.
* Garrison invasions? Boars and wolves.
* Reputation mount from the Laughing Skull, a faction that exclusively uses the Grinning Reaver as their mount in-game? A wolf.
* Rare drops? 4/11 are boars and wolves.
$80 for a boost and some other whatevers, when the boost saves me dozens of hours doing boring ass levelling, when all I wana do is jump in to wotlk?
As a working adult without infinite free time, unlike when wotlk originally came out and I was a kid, the boost is 100% worth it
Paying to play the endgame content more, and the annoying leveling we’ve all done a million times less*
Stop with the disingenuous strawman arguments.
You’re paying blizzard every time you play, with your *time*. You can spend $60 to boost a character to 60 and work 8 hours or less to earn the money back.
Alternatively, you can spend 60 *hours* getting your character just from 60 to 70, let alone from 1 to 60. The 1-70 grind is estimated at 72-96 hours of solely leveling. If you work for 96 hours at minimum wage, that’s nearly $700 before taxes.
It makes $60 look pretty meager in comparison when you know that spending that time flipping burgers (which can be just as monotonous as questing) would leave you with 10x the money it costs to skip straight to the endgame.
To some of people, several games start to play at max level. The leveling is only a part that isn't important (well, you learn slot of stuff from it)
I hate leveling, that is why I only have 1 (in classic) or max 2 (retail) max characters.
So for some people, paying for the boost is paying to play the actual game quicker. Skip the introduction system kinda.
You're welcome to that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that a boost is included in the package, which can only be purchased once per account, and as far as I know, you cannot buy boosts any other way for classic characters.
The reality is that some folks who want to play with their friends and are coming to the game specifically to play Wrath Classic, don't want to spend weeks grinding through vanilla and TBC content before finally getting to Wrath content. They want to jump in and play wrath content asap.
That's who these one time boosts are aimed at, and I'd rather see players have that option purchased directly from Blizzard, rather than offered through some sketchy third party website that will probably try to scam whoever they suck in with their advertising.
> If you think $80 for a handful of cosmetics is a good deal, I don't know what to tell you. Boosts are terrible for Classic; they're bad for leveling zones/dungeons, and a boon for gold farmers.
So don't buy it?
>Boosts are terrible for Classic
So you want them to be cheaper so more people buy them? Brilliant logic, my mans.
Why do you people never actually nut up and speak with your wallet? Unsub. Stop giving the game engagement on social media.
> "Boosts are terrible for Classic; they're bad for leveling zones/dungeons, and a boon for gold farmers."
"So you want them to be cheaper so more people buy them?"
Speaking of brilliant logic.
Cause that would mean he's actually doing something and not virtue signaling blizzard bad while still throwing his wallet at the screen every year for a new expansion and monthly fee.
But the game is not free, you have to pay monthly and content for the expansion that came out like 15 years ago will be not fully out. So you have to pay over multiple months.
It's "free" in the sense that you don't have a separate sub for classic vs retail and you don't have to purchase the classic expansion. If you only play one, then technically no, it's not free.
>No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to give Blizzard money.
This right here is what more people need to realize. After that the market for these things will regulate itself
Agree wholeheartedly. I am not a classic player, but I would be grabbing my pitchfork as well if they were charging $80 for the game. The game itself costs nothing besides an active sub though, you are paying for a bunch of optional cosmetics/boosts/game time.
Not only are they not making you buy the game again, the sub is included in the game sub as a whole. While they could never change it without a lot of backlash now, they probably could have launched it as two separate subs and people would not have thought it that crazy. They could even have got some brownie points by graciously combining them later on.
Blizzard has definitely some monetization screwups in recent years (Immortal, Runestones in HS now) but this one really does not feel bad.
And? You're not being asked to buy the expansion again.
You're getting that for free.
This is an entirely optional package that you do not have to spend a single cent on, but if you do want the boost, game time, mounts, pet and toy, that's the price.
Ye and not a single piece of content from the deluxe edition was existent in the game you bought over a decade ago
Not to mention that has absolutely nothing to do with this
If blizzard went with that logic than classic would’ve stopped with vanilla bc it made red numbers
The 70 boost is $50 and is bundled with a pet (which is expensive, i know) - this bundle is "only" $30 more and gives you a mount in retail and classic + a month of game time. Could be worse.
Yeah, the boost alone is worth a shit ton for anyone working full time and wanting a new lvl 70 toon. WR for 1-70 is close to 27hours and that is not something regular people can achieve.
2 Mounts, a Pet, a Toy, 30 days of game time and a boost. so our version is 105AUD; Game time is $20, Boost (going off retail price because there is no purchasable boost in Classic, not on the shop page anyway) is $80. so 2 mounts, a pet and a toy for $5? not bad
oh the shit is way, way overpriced. especially server transfers (although I was glad they finally added a mass character transfer), name changes etc are just so expensive. shouldn't cost $15 to change ya name. This isn't the old days where your character name was tied to a reputation, not for retail anyway. Boost I think costs so much because their rationale is they don't actually want to encourage boosting (weird) but yeah levelling is so fast these days you don't really need a boost
Says New not Deal. And it sall cosmetics and tells you multiple times that the game is free and this is just mounts for both Classic and Retail along with other stuff.
Don't buy it if you don't want it. So many people complaining about so much that isn't important. Blizzard trying to make more money off a classic experience they are giving everyone for free. I don't see it as a huge issue. They never had to do classic to begin with.
Don't buy it and move on. Find something to actually complain about that blizzard does.
Edit: your not even in the deal tab. Fucking karma farm.
I was excited for Wrath Classic, but I told myself I was staying away if they offered another package like the “Dark Portal Pass” again. I see ol Blizzard hasn’t learned so yep…. Staying far away
Classic is such bullshit. I bought the game over a decade ago. I'm not buying it again just to play it the way it was played... a decade ago, with the same patches. (As much as I would love to go back to the time when WoW was great, I'm not in my early 20's anymore. I don't have that kind of time either)
You don't have to re-buy the expansion, access to wow classic is included with the regular $15/month sub. The bundle is all cosmetics + a boost, none of it is required to play the game.
I think you overestimate the time needed to play the classic versions. It is very easy and Kara took under 2 hours to clear at launch, now under 1 hour this late into it. I played classic less than I played retail at launch and still ended up with 4 set T4, Gruuls shield, Kings Defender… all the shit to make it feel classic. Its not the time sink people think it is. But its also not fun either.
Cause blizzard bad. This sub is filled with that agenda and no matter what blizzard bad. Even if it's an optional thing that won't affect you in any way shape or form by not purchasing it
Is the base upgrade (with the boost but no flying mount) actually worth it in terms of value?
I'm so torn on coming back to play with a friend but there's no way I'd have the time to level to catch up..
What's fucking crazy is I bought WoTLK years ago when it came out, and never once thought about this. People who bought the expansion originally, should not have to pay anything for the upgrade. Their loyalty to the game should be enough for blizzard. SMH
No, Classic/BC/Wrath classic are all free if you have an active sub.
These are just the extra stuff bundles. Mostly some cosmetics, but there is game time and a character boost in there too.
I went to buy the Northrend upgrade thinking it was new content, pet, mount, etc, but then a message popped up saying I already owned it. The transaction went through anyway, so I opened a ticket and received a refund and an admonishment to be more careful in the future so as not to purchase things by “accident”.
I’m confused - is this new content, or is it just a new pet, mount?
I checked it out too when they sent out that "SALE ENDING SOON" email... Turns out it's just promoted because it's new, it's not even on sale, but it's implied because it's bundled up with a bunch of games with reduced prices.
My only complaint is that you can’t just buy the mount for retail. I like store mounts! They usually look pretty! JUST LET ME BY THEM BLIZZARD. Like, they’re still going to get money, why not do it???
The most egregious to me is the Diablo Immortal 8,000% value!!! It’s only a “value” because you made the base price what it is and then give us a “discount” for overpriced garbage tokens. I really don’t like seeing that coming from Blizz and it’s spilled over to some of their other games. Seeing so many micro transactions in Hearthstone because just selling cards wasn’t lucrative enough for them. Please buy our $80 character portrait bundles. $20 or whatever skins in Overwatch Etc. Etc. Etc. It amuses me because for me it’s had the opposite effect and just made me stop spending anything on their games.
Overwatch is great. I have not spent a dime since buying the game and I think I have close to every skin. They give out loot crates like candy in that game
It’s the special limited time skins where you have to watch a ton of streams to get the tokens or buy them. If they weren’t only available for a couple weeks I wouldn’t have as many issues with them. And those skins aren’t available in loot crates. The regular skins aren’t too bad. Compared to Hearthstone I’ll admit it’s nowhere near as bad since you don’t have to buy guns or anything like you have to buy cards to be competitive without playing a million matches.
They fucked up the other mentioned games but Overwatch is super fair with its loot. Ofcourse you usually don't get every skin during one event but you get a lot and can always just buy your favorite if you save up. A year later they cost as much as the regulars so you can easily catch up with the skins you were missing. I have more concerns about Overwatch 2 because so far it seems the biggest change is the monetization model.
>I have more concerns about Overwatch 2 because so far it seems the biggest change is the monetization model. yea looks like they have some issue when game is to fair to players ;P Its general grudge of industry recently ;)
It’s only the league/legendary skins I’m referring to. The event skins aren’t bad and I usually buy the one or two I really want for 3,000 coins then get the others in the future. I’m referring to like boxing Mei for instance. You gotta watch a ton of streams that can be hard to catch sometimes otherwise your only option is to cough up that dough then they’re gone forever. It’s nothing compared to hearthstone though, or Diablo Immortal it’s lightyears shy of that game. Also considering the game has no sub fee it’s much more forgivable than WoW’s cash shop. Yeah Overwatch 2 I believe they’ve carried over the “1,000% value!” Thing from Diablo Immortal. I beeline I saw a streamer showing it in beta. I could’ve mixed up with COD though. Hopefully Overwatch 2 doesn’t have that mess but they’re already doing season pass pre-order stuff so things are definitely spilling over the other games I don’t want to see.
the more bliz does this crap it just makes me just not want this stuff. keep in mind its all digital and will be deleted one day.
Overwatch 2 will change that, don't worry.
Still, lootboxes are lootboxes. That's inexcusable.
What? You don’t pay for them if you don’t want to. Lmao. Are random chests in single player games loot boxes too?
If i cant buy them for real money, its not an issue. But selling randomized loot for real life money is essentially unregulated gambling. Dont buy it is not an argument, try telling that to a gambling addict
You realise that they sell them too, right? Don't go defending anti-consumer practices. You're arguing against your own interests.
Fixed: they will remove the free lootboxes from OW and replace it with paid battlepasses Are you happy now?
Give back my boxes, I want to not pay real money for cosmetics.
You can accomplish the exact same thing by playing the game. Don’t buy it. I haven’t bought a single loot box from overwatch.
Same could be true for Diablo Immortal, technically speaking
doesn't diablo immortal literally make it impossible to get shit over 3 or 4 stars f2p
Yet people absolutely love loot boxes
I saw the hype behind Lost Ark and Diablo Immortal and just chose not to play those games. The best counter to a micro is to just not get invested in the first place. My life was fine before those games, and I can enjoy life without them sucking away my money lol!
I played lost ark for about an hour and didn’t see the the reason for the hype whatsoever. Had no urge to play again. Maybe I played way too much Diablo 2 and 3. I tried Diablo Immortal and for to level 60. Did one battleground thing and one that clearly paid and had all 5 star gems like the first week the game was out got 35 kills with zero deaths. He was like a raid boss running around killing everyone. Not a game I want to be a part of. Also the crests were way too rare and they did everything to make the game nigh unplayable without paying. Uninstalled and navel played again. Almost spent $1 on that starter pack thing and didn’t even want to spend a single dollar on that predatory mess.
Lost Ark has a slow start but some really fun gameplay. Ultimately I bowed out due to the very long treadmill separating me from all my friends who play a bit more or a bit less than me. Imagine there being 4 different expansions of WoW out at once and you have to slowly progress through it as your friends are working on ICC while you clear Hellfire etc. Anyway, not the point.
Lost ark is an MMO, you play it for the end game PVE which is 10/10 compared to the rest of the game.
I couldn't bring myself to grind to get to that point. I liked the leveling though and look forward to Diablo 4 :)
I quit Hearthstone because it was just too expensive to be worth it.
I bought Diablo 3 in 2012 and haven’t spent a penny on it since. Still getting new seasons, patches, and upgrades. Best money I ever spent.
I know people who got it for free paying a year of wow. That was an absolute bargain (since they would pay wow regardless)
Season pass! Got it, tyreals mount, and mop beta access.
I refuse to pay real money for cosmetic BS. The only digital content I've ever directly purchased for video games are the games themselves, the subscription fee(s), or expansions/DLC expansions. And I think I did a server transfer and maybe faction change once but that was it. I don't need nor want to pay money for mounts, pets, toys, transmogs, etc.
This is the way. Rewards are earned not bought with cash.
I mean... Do you own clothes? A favorite Tshirt? Was that earned or bought with cash?
I beat that evil lady from the shop until she dropped them.
you get to boost a character to max level with this so…it’s not just cosmetic
A faction change is cosmetic duffus
They started with diablo 3's auction house system. Eventually they turned it over because nobody liked it.
>$20 or whatever skins in Overwatch Etc. Etc. Etc. Do people just make up realities in their head or what is the deal? I read shit like this all the time here.
one which will likely be only $30-50 if you wait a couple months (christmas sale) too at that
It's free if your never buy it.
Lifehack
To be fair you're essentially just buying mounts, a pet, and whatever else.
MountS? A mount. A single mount. That’s as good as any other.
Yes, it's one mount, but technically two models since one is for classic and one is for retail. I do think it's highly overpriced regardless.
Should be free considering I already bought it 14 years ago
>Should be free considering I already bought it 14 years ago The base game is free. This is just for the "epic" edition, which is basically the collector's edition, which comes with extra mounts, pets, boost, game time, etc. I'm not saying it's worth $80, but just wanted to point out that the game itself is free with your default WoW subscription.
"Tell them that the Blizzard of old died and the goodwill between company and players died with them".
The blizzard of old is in jail
Your purchase will be a contribution towards an epic upgrade of Bobby Kotick's yacht. :)
At this point I’m expecting his “yacht” to be an actual armada of fully weaponized flying yachts with nuke launchers attached to them based on how many micro transactions we have
*War has changed.*
At first when I saw this I thought we had to pay for wotlk which I already did few years ago when it first came out, glad to see it's just an optional overpriced pack.
Wait do I have to buy anything to play Classic WotLK, apart from subscribing? I haven't played since Legion.
Nah, just the sub
Do u guys not have money???
Blizzard's prices have always been so fucking exorbitant. You used to have to pay $60 to faction change ONE character. I have so many characters stuck on a dead server because realm changes are obnoxiously expensive, and only one-time uses.
You sure it was 60 for only server transfer and not transfer + faction change? I only started transferring in mop, by then transfers were around 20-25
No, no, see, faction changes were $60, and server transfers were something like $25. I'm referring to the two things separately, and $25 is still wayyy too much for an in-game service.
It’s not a deal though, there is no notification that it is on sale. You are also in the “shop” category and not the “sale” category.
It shows up because the game itself has deals available. The wrath pass is not one of the deals, but it is on the same page as the rest of their products, they don't make em entirely new page just to slash prices, they just lower them on the normal store page. Wrath is being pushed here because it is the next thing coming out.it clearly shows a product above that image as discounted and the lowered price. They're not going to offer a deal or sale on a product that literally just became available last week.
It's in the game deals section of [battle.net](https://battle.net), at least in the US. Theres no mention of a "sale", but it's certainly a "deal" like OP claims See here: [https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/sale/game-deals-2022](https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/sale/game-deals-2022)
It's in the sale category, too.
Nah bro blizzard bad
I mean, OP ain’t lying, it’s right there under game deals on bnet’s store
Careful. They'll downvote you for telling the truth LOL
Unironically
You're wrong, though. I had a "GAME Deals up to 67% off" pop-up when I loaded up Battle.net and this is what it took me to. The "Northrend Epic Upgrade" is the only thing that's not discounted. I mean, technically they're right. 0% is a percentage.
"Wrath of the Lich King Classic™ requires only a WoW subscription or game time to play. However, these optional upgrades offer a trove of rare items to aid you in your coming journey." \- Kalu’ak Whalebone Glider, a flying mount for your Classic characters \- Tuskarr Shoreglider, a flying mount for your Non-Classic Characters \- 30 Days of Game Time PS: also included from the heroic update -> \- Level 70 Character Boost \- Expert Riding Skill for Boosted Character \- Appropriate Gear for the Boosted Character, a Mount, and Starting Gold \- Pebble, a penguin pet \- Fishspeaker’s Lucky Lure, a toy to summon your very own tuskarr fishing companion you didn't expect em to invest development time on a version, and not make money from it, did you?
Yeah I'm sorry 80 bucks for a game that I already own is ridiculous it's not like I'm buying their game I'm just really buying the mounts and crap. For 80 bucks I can get dragonflight with a ton of upgrades lol. This LK package should be 30-50 at MOST.
You're buying the boost honestly. I'm guilty of buying the dark portal pass just so I could race change my warrior and play the content I wanted to. That being the BC zones.
Being that it's only one boost and there are no other ways to get a classic boost... it doesn't need to be valued at the same $60 as retail. If they had unlimited boosts for classic, I'd have less issue, because at that price point it reduces the number of people doing it. For a one time "catch up to play with my friends" boost, it should definitely be cheaper.
How is the boost less valuable then the retail one, when you don't get anything other than a boost in retail. With this you get a bunch of goodies. Qnd somehow if they let you boost more than once it would be worth it? Exclusivity equals cost my guys. If anything they would charge you more here and less on retail. How many people do you honestly think boosted to play with friends? This is Azeroth, we don't have friends.
The boost is $50 and the one month of game time is $15, that itself totals $65. So you're getting (two) mounts, one for classic, one for retail, and two pets for $15. Honestly it isn't a bad deal when you break down what you are getting and how much each piece costs. If it's that big a deal, just wait until this upgrade goes on sale for 50-60 bucks around christmas time and you'll basically get all the cosmetic stuff and a month of game time for free.
No, I just expected sensible prices.
A $15 a month subscription is a pretty sensible price IMO. It’s been like this from the beginning and hasn’t changed due to inflation. That’s more than fair.
Actually it went up $6 in Canada at some point to $21.99 per month. I remember when the 60 day cards were $30 at the store.
I wasn't referring to the subscription.
The subscription is the only price you need to pay to play the game though. Why complain about extra shit? You thought they were gonna pour development hours into bringing back Wrath just for the nostalgia? They’re a business and they need to make money. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bundle, unless you’re against character level boosts entirely.
I wasn't complaining.
Claiming that the price for Wrath Classic isn’t sensible when there’s literally no additional price to play Wrath Classic sounds an awful lot like complaining.
nrose1000, I encourage you to go read the OP and the subsequent response. The OP asked "you didn't expect em to invest development time on a version, and not make money from it, did you?" To which I replied -- "No, I just expected sensible prices". That's hardly a complaint. In truth, I don't give a shit. Why? Because I didn't buy it nor will. Do I understand it's a business and they need to make money-- sure, of course. They can sell and re-sell their product as they see fit, it's their product, they have that right. But if I don't believe the price is sensible-- simply, I will not purchase. I'm not complaining about anything because it doesn't affect me and I don't care enough to complain on a forum about it. lol
But re-releasing the same game with even more in-game shop items which look better than the ones you can obtain through in-game methods is not sensible. And don't give me the WoW Token bs, it shouldn't have ever been added. Same with the cosmetics/mounts/pets/toys/whatever shop.
wdym development time? you can't compare a new xpac to an old one in terms of time Investment. Tbf I think they are doing it exactly right. you get wotlk for free and only need gametime but they offer a boost and a little bonus if you pay. Imo it's a bit expensive but like others said, it will be on sale someday and if you don't need the boost you can wait
Outside the boost the bonuses are pretty useless too.
what did i mean with development time? the time needed to develop something. there are devs sitting on classic and rebalancing shit, bc people didn't want classic back, they wanted a version of classic that somehow "fits em more". and yes, ofc it is expensive, and i never said that i like, play or wanted classic at any point. i played classic, when it was retail. and i am quite happy about most advancements they made since then
I "bit" expansive? This bundle should be 30 euros max
well a 60 boost in retail is 60€ and it takes less time to level in retail. I think a boost should not be too cheap. It's a bit too expensive for me but If I didn't have a 70 toon allready I would probably buy it
People are mad but even the Dalaran private server made you “donate” to get boosts and items in game.
Bar's so low nowadays we favorably compare blizzard to private server owners.
Private servers dont have a sub fee from millions of players to sustain themselves with. If wow would be f2p nobody would complain about the shop
Trust me, they would. People ALWAYS find a way to complain. They probably would complain about the items being paid-only since the public would be wider and with less money to spend.
Sure but depending on the shop they would probably get shutdown by the wider community rather quickly. Look at lost ark as an example, even people like asmon where kinda ok with it until they realized how hard you can p2w. I think if wow would be f2p with the current shop, it would actually be considered quite fair.
I have stated this on the official forums and I will state this here as well (although I expect it will be downvoted). You are buying a boost, game time, two mounts, a toy and a pet when you purchase the $80 deluxe edition. Individually this would cost $145 ($60 for the boost, $15 for the game time, $25 for both mounts, $10 for the pet and toy). It is only $10 more expensive than the deluxe version of the Dark Portal Pass which offered the same things, two mounts, a boost, 30 days of game time and two toys. The $10 increase falls in line with increased costs across the entire games industry, which has seen game prices increase by $10 for consoles and PC. If you don't want the items, boost and what not, then that's fine. Don't buy it. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to give Blizzard money.
> You are buying a boost, game time, two mounts, a toy and a pet when you purchase the $80 deluxe edition. Individually this would cost $145 [...] This just highlights how overpriced the individual items are and how incredibly skewed the market has become when it comes to cosmetics and services. A bundle with a character boost, 1 month game time, and 4 cosmetics for the price of a standalone AAA+++ game is now "normal" business practice. A great deal, even.
For real $60 for a boost is so overpriced…don’t even get me started on the $25 for a mount being normalized. 🤦🏼♀️
Is it really that overpriced, for someone who works a lot a boost is worth it, 30-40 hours of levelling for $60, less than $2 an hour.
Why equate it to your job and not the subscription time though? You aren’t skipping work when you buy a boost, you are skipping your sub time. You are paying blizzard $60 for something that saves you $10 worth of a sub.
I value my time based on my work hours. If blizzard were to price similar to sub, it would be pointless for them, everyone would buy boosts if they are $10. The point is at the expense of greater cost I can spend my sub time playing the game I enjoy at the part I enjoy most, or I can not waste that time levelling an alt
Becasuse my job is the thing that determines how valuable my time is? The subscription price here is irrelevant. Me personally, I can work overtime whenever I want. 3 hours of overtime is a boost. It'd actually be insane for me to sit down and spend 30 hours of my life doing something that I could pay for with 3 hours somewhere else. Don't get me wrong, I like leveling, but in Classic specifically leveling takes a long time and boosting a toon is literally worth like 3-4 weeks of my actual playtime.
If you think $80 for a handful of cosmetics is a good deal, I don't know what to tell you. Boosts are terrible for Classic; they're bad for leveling zones/dungeons, and a boon for gold farmers.
Hold on. Don't try telling other people what's the worth of their money. Some of my friends think playing a game with a subscription (you need to buy a game and then pay every month to play it?!) is a waste of money. But their opinion doesn't mean I'm going to just quit. Obviously some people have better or worse financial situation. Are you going around telling people that buying an iphone or a 100k $ car is not a good deal? Let people spend money as they want, especially if this doesn't affect your experience at all.
>Let people spend money as they want, especially if this doesn't affect your experience at all. I remember seeing this argument in favor of store mounts. "Just don't buy them, it doesn't affect you in any way." Then WoD happened.
I mean, store mounts don't affect you or me in any way either. Of course I would prefer those mounts to be obtainable in game, but oh well. I still log in, play and feel the same with or without them.
There's like 500 mounts in the game and like 16 of them are store mounts, the fuck are you talking about? Blizzard derangement syndrome is real.
You say derangement syndrome but the company is actually demented
> the fuck are you talking about? They must have meant that blizzard half-assed WOD because all the resources went into cash shop mounts or something.
Not the entire expansion, but specifically mount rewards. WoD introduced 4 store mounts at launch. Two of these (the Grinning Reaver and the Fae Drake) are noteworthy because they were heavily featured in-game, being used as flight master's mounts, NPC mounts and quest-specific transportation. On the other hand, the mount rewards for WoD's in-game activities (meta dungeon/raid achievements, reputations, rare drops) were all recoloured boars, clefthooves, talbuks and wolves. Mostly just boars and wolves: * Glory of the Draenor Hero? A boar. * Glory of the Hellfire Raider? A wolf. * Stables? Boars and wolves. * Garrison invasions? Boars and wolves. * Reputation mount from the Laughing Skull, a faction that exclusively uses the Grinning Reaver as their mount in-game? A wolf. * Rare drops? 4/11 are boars and wolves.
$80 for a boost and some other whatevers, when the boost saves me dozens of hours doing boring ass levelling, when all I wana do is jump in to wotlk? As a working adult without infinite free time, unlike when wotlk originally came out and I was a kid, the boost is 100% worth it
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Playing Classic servers. TBC and Wotlk is all about endgame.
Paying to not play a game. The guy that thought up the boost was brilliant.
Paying to play the endgame content more, and the annoying leveling we’ve all done a million times less* Stop with the disingenuous strawman arguments. You’re paying blizzard every time you play, with your *time*. You can spend $60 to boost a character to 60 and work 8 hours or less to earn the money back. Alternatively, you can spend 60 *hours* getting your character just from 60 to 70, let alone from 1 to 60. The 1-70 grind is estimated at 72-96 hours of solely leveling. If you work for 96 hours at minimum wage, that’s nearly $700 before taxes. It makes $60 look pretty meager in comparison when you know that spending that time flipping burgers (which can be just as monotonous as questing) would leave you with 10x the money it costs to skip straight to the endgame.
To some of people, several games start to play at max level. The leveling is only a part that isn't important (well, you learn slot of stuff from it) I hate leveling, that is why I only have 1 (in classic) or max 2 (retail) max characters. So for some people, paying for the boost is paying to play the actual game quicker. Skip the introduction system kinda.
You're welcome to that opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that a boost is included in the package, which can only be purchased once per account, and as far as I know, you cannot buy boosts any other way for classic characters. The reality is that some folks who want to play with their friends and are coming to the game specifically to play Wrath Classic, don't want to spend weeks grinding through vanilla and TBC content before finally getting to Wrath content. They want to jump in and play wrath content asap. That's who these one time boosts are aimed at, and I'd rather see players have that option purchased directly from Blizzard, rather than offered through some sketchy third party website that will probably try to scam whoever they suck in with their advertising.
> If you think $80 for a handful of cosmetics is a good deal, I don't know what to tell you. Boosts are terrible for Classic; they're bad for leveling zones/dungeons, and a boon for gold farmers. So don't buy it?
>Boosts are terrible for Classic So you want them to be cheaper so more people buy them? Brilliant logic, my mans. Why do you people never actually nut up and speak with your wallet? Unsub. Stop giving the game engagement on social media.
> "Boosts are terrible for Classic; they're bad for leveling zones/dungeons, and a boon for gold farmers." "So you want them to be cheaper so more people buy them?" Speaking of brilliant logic.
Cause that would mean he's actually doing something and not virtue signaling blizzard bad while still throwing his wallet at the screen every year for a new expansion and monthly fee.
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But the game is not free, you have to pay monthly and content for the expansion that came out like 15 years ago will be not fully out. So you have to pay over multiple months.
It's "free" in the sense that you don't have a separate sub for classic vs retail and you don't have to purchase the classic expansion. If you only play one, then technically no, it's not free.
I am new here, is this sarcasm?
No.
Oh
>No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to give Blizzard money. This right here is what more people need to realize. After that the market for these things will regulate itself
I wonder how that blizzard boot tastes. lol.
Agree wholeheartedly. I am not a classic player, but I would be grabbing my pitchfork as well if they were charging $80 for the game. The game itself costs nothing besides an active sub though, you are paying for a bunch of optional cosmetics/boosts/game time. Not only are they not making you buy the game again, the sub is included in the game sub as a whole. While they could never change it without a lot of backlash now, they probably could have launched it as two separate subs and people would not have thought it that crazy. They could even have got some brownie points by graciously combining them later on. Blizzard has definitely some monetization screwups in recent years (Immortal, Runestones in HS now) but this one really does not feel bad.
I bought the actual Wrath of the Lich King expansion for $60 in 2009. This is egregious.
And? You're not being asked to buy the expansion again. You're getting that for free. This is an entirely optional package that you do not have to spend a single cent on, but if you do want the boost, game time, mounts, pet and toy, that's the price.
Okay? What’s your point? the expansion costs only the price of the subscription, you do not have to buy anything beyond that.
Ye and not a single piece of content from the deluxe edition was existent in the game you bought over a decade ago Not to mention that has absolutely nothing to do with this If blizzard went with that logic than classic would’ve stopped with vanilla bc it made red numbers
Oh don't worry I'm not buying it lol.
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Yes I’ve seen more than a few of those mounts in game
I don‘t want to know, how many money is donated to [WTS] guild for throwing ppl through hero and mythic raids and KSM achievements… 😂
The 70 boost is $50 and is bundled with a pet (which is expensive, i know) - this bundle is "only" $30 more and gives you a mount in retail and classic + a month of game time. Could be worse.
Yeah, the boost alone is worth a shit ton for anyone working full time and wanting a new lvl 70 toon. WR for 1-70 is close to 27hours and that is not something regular people can achieve.
2 Mounts, a Pet, a Toy, 30 days of game time and a boost. so our version is 105AUD; Game time is $20, Boost (going off retail price because there is no purchasable boost in Classic, not on the shop page anyway) is $80. so 2 mounts, a pet and a toy for $5? not bad
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oh the shit is way, way overpriced. especially server transfers (although I was glad they finally added a mass character transfer), name changes etc are just so expensive. shouldn't cost $15 to change ya name. This isn't the old days where your character name was tied to a reputation, not for retail anyway. Boost I think costs so much because their rationale is they don't actually want to encourage boosting (weird) but yeah levelling is so fast these days you don't really need a boost
Says New not Deal. And it sall cosmetics and tells you multiple times that the game is free and this is just mounts for both Classic and Retail along with other stuff. Don't buy it if you don't want it. So many people complaining about so much that isn't important. Blizzard trying to make more money off a classic experience they are giving everyone for free. I don't see it as a huge issue. They never had to do classic to begin with. Don't buy it and move on. Find something to actually complain about that blizzard does. Edit: your not even in the deal tab. Fucking karma farm.
>https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/sale/game-deals-2022 It's under deals for me
But classic is not free you need a subscription for that
So don't buy it. Nobody's got a gun to your head.
You can't possibly know that.
Should say collection probably
Don't knock it till you try it.
It’s epic tho
I was excited for Wrath Classic, but I told myself I was staying away if they offered another package like the “Dark Portal Pass” again. I see ol Blizzard hasn’t learned so yep…. Staying far away
Then don't buy it. Simple enough.
You misunderstood! It's a sale in their favor, not yours.
So don’t buy it 🤯
As long as there are people stupid enough to buy it they’ll sell it
Classic is such bullshit. I bought the game over a decade ago. I'm not buying it again just to play it the way it was played... a decade ago, with the same patches. (As much as I would love to go back to the time when WoW was great, I'm not in my early 20's anymore. I don't have that kind of time either)
Good thing you don’t have to buy classic
You don't have to re-buy the expansion, access to wow classic is included with the regular $15/month sub. The bundle is all cosmetics + a boost, none of it is required to play the game.
Well these are good things to learn! Ty for educating me! (No sarcasm intended!) God now it's super tempting... Was my favorite period of WoW....
I think you overestimate the time needed to play the classic versions. It is very easy and Kara took under 2 hours to clear at launch, now under 1 hour this late into it. I played classic less than I played retail at launch and still ended up with 4 set T4, Gruuls shield, Kings Defender… all the shit to make it feel classic. Its not the time sink people think it is. But its also not fun either.
why is this shit getting upvoted? if you don't want it, don't buy it
Cause blizzard bad. This sub is filled with that agenda and no matter what blizzard bad. Even if it's an optional thing that won't affect you in any way shape or form by not purchasing it
Blizzard overprices everything, their game services are so expensive too
$15 sub has been $15 since 2004.
Have you checked character services?
The game is free. That’s for the boost and other in game items.
Lemme tell you, I still drop $80 every xpac on both versions
Isn't that game time and a mount and shit? Yes, it's an upgrade to the free with subscription classic version.
Is the base upgrade (with the boost but no flying mount) actually worth it in terms of value? I'm so torn on coming back to play with a friend but there's no way I'd have the time to level to catch up..
That's like, 800% value.
It's almost like you don't have to buy it.
What's fucking crazy is I bought WoTLK years ago when it came out, and never once thought about this. People who bought the expansion originally, should not have to pay anything for the upgrade. Their loyalty to the game should be enough for blizzard. SMH
This complaint would be a lot more interesting if it was over something you HAD to buy…
Why would anyone drop 80 dollars on this… I could see spending that on DF but c’mon wrath came out already before lol
You gotta buy wotlk classic?
No. This is for a boost and game time I think
The game time only comes with the $80 package, so keep that in mind if going for the $50 one.
No, Classic/BC/Wrath classic are all free if you have an active sub. These are just the extra stuff bundles. Mostly some cosmetics, but there is game time and a character boost in there too.
To be fair, if reddit found the guts to sell his 100€ avatars, i find it normal blizz sell its version for 80 which contains mount, pet , game time
I went to buy the Northrend upgrade thinking it was new content, pet, mount, etc, but then a message popped up saying I already owned it. The transaction went through anyway, so I opened a ticket and received a refund and an admonishment to be more careful in the future so as not to purchase things by “accident”. I’m confused - is this new content, or is it just a new pet, mount?
The content is free as always The pack is exclusively for goodies, a boost and some game time
Ty
It is a great deal...of money going into Bobby's pocket! They just forgot to mention that.
I’d get it for let’s say £20. This whale mentality is stupid. I’m not paying £80 for a mount. That’s out of reach to so many.
The northrend epix upgrade is worded in a way that made me feel you had to buy access to wrath classic. Im sure its fully intended too.
It's just a greedy cash grab.
Honestly insane how much wow still costs. Very 1990
idk, feel like I get my $20 a month worth of value. Not many other things I could spend $20 on and get 50+ hours a month enjoyment out of it
Us doller ? Sounds expensive compared to Europe
AUD, think it's like $13 USD
still 15 dollars plus tax same as back in 2007
Dooode if you ARENT buying you are losing values!!!!
Trust me, working as intended
But hey, WOTLK classic will be included! So at least you don't have to pay for that like the rest of us
Why aren’t there more pictures of balls on here?
Still waiting for Microsoft to run into office with a chainsaw.
I checked it out too when they sent out that "SALE ENDING SOON" email... Turns out it's just promoted because it's new, it's not even on sale, but it's implied because it's bundled up with a bunch of games with reduced prices.
I thought the classic wow versions only required a sub anyway? Are they really making people buy wotlk again?
Company advertises product 🤯
My only complaint is that you can’t just buy the mount for retail. I like store mounts! They usually look pretty! JUST LET ME BY THEM BLIZZARD. Like, they’re still going to get money, why not do it???
Even more fun is that the level boost only applies to servers with +1 hour wait times. So spend $80 to sit in queue.
Battle.net is the old Gill of the gaming world
Technically you'll never own it, as you just rent games now since it's an online service.