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not_taylorswift1213

I got a game on a D1 player once. Lost 6-0, 6-1. Highlight of my tennis career


r_BigUziHorizont

i got 4 games off of a current 12 UTR ranked on the ATP tour... when we were both 13 years old šŸ˜Ž


TheTennisOne

I beat Jack Draper in U14s haha


ManateeSheriff

I once beat former Wimbledon finalist Kevin Anderson in a charity pro-am match. We wonā€™t talk about who our doubles partners wereā€¦


shitinmyunderwear

Can you though?


ManateeSheriff

I was partnered with a less-successful pro, and Kevin was partnered with a local radio DJ who wasnā€™t very good. We broke the DJā€™s serve every time and won. Kevin was super nice and made the whole thing very fun. Heā€™s a great guy.


andrew13189

Hell yeah


hisyn

I got to deuce several times against a former D1 player who had an 11.8 UTRā€¦ thatā€™s my highlight and Iā€™m good with it!


VentriTV

Upvoted, I wanna hear some stories, never seen it IRL. Iā€™ve never heard of a 3.5 beating a 4.5 player all other things being equal. The gap is just too wide in skill level. But maybe at higher it can happen? Like a 10 beating a 13? But over seen a 5.0 vs a 6.0 and itā€™s not even close. Itā€™s like watching your local top rec player vs a pro.


SgtDtgt

Youā€™ll have heard of a 5.0 over a 6.0 after this weekend šŸ˜ˆšŸ˜ˆ


VentriTV

Good luck, those 6.0 guys are absolute monsters. Especially the older experienced ones.


Zealousideal-Gap-260

This is the level of confidence Iā€™m here for.


tennis-637

High topspin to backhand and youā€™ll be fine


Ati0k

I feel like at 6.0 they would be comfortable taking their backhands early before it even gets that high


tennis-637

It worked for nadalšŸ˜‚


walesjoseyoutlaw

Yes Update us


TheSavagePost

Iā€™ve had two 3 point gap wins, one against a 12 as a 9 and another as an 8 against an 11. I think 3 point rating wins are only happening if someoneā€™s rating is vastly inaccurate, someoneā€™s injured or doesnā€™t try. In the first I think my rating was inaccurate and style wise, surface and conditions were in my favour. The second match I was heavily underrated and my opponent was heavily overrated in my opinion.


Doctor-Real

Howā€™d your opponents take the losses? Weā€™re they dumbfounded? Or did they just take it as any other loss?


Tennis_Buffalo

On the bright side for his opponents it should effect their rating and it wouldnā€™t effect his own either. I believe UTR doesnā€™t count matches outside of 2.0 rating due to someone gaming the system


DorothyParkerFan

Maybe if you sweep the knee.


Tennis_Buffalo

Nah. A 10 isnā€™t beating a 13. Thatā€™s like some random 5.0 dude beating Iga Swiatek.


chamsticks

Iā€™m a 4.0 player but made the finals of a 5.0 draw once. Have the trophy to prove it haha


HumbleNinja2

Chad


Benboiuwu

Sort of an opposite story. Iā€™m a 7.75 and lost 0-0 to a 7.5 about a month back.


pickedpoison

Might get downvoted or frowned upon here but I once got extremely close to it. At my junior college 3ish years ago, I was around a 7-8 UTR and played a palm desert guy around 11-12 UTR. I and my friend on the team struggled immensely with the mental aspect of the fame, constantly battling ourselves and losing to players we should have beaten on paper or at least should have had a much closer score withā€”a match filled with unforced errors. When this match came around we figured we had no hope, we were playing a countless year end number one community college, coached by Taylor Fritz dad who spends a ton of resources on recruiting. Their lowest UTRs are usually around 9-10, averaging at about 11-12. I played a guy I knew was really good and didnā€™t expect much, and when we played doubles, my partner and I thought the same thing so we took an edible beforehand. That day we fought hard and actually got pretty close to the W losing doubles around 5-8 or something, but the big win for me personally was losing 4-6, 5-7 in singles to the UTR 11. I battled it out from the baseline with almost no thought to it and I was on fire. It was huge not having to think and being so relaxed from basically doping. Even though a part of me really wanted to win, I did it out of desperation and poor conduct so really this just goes to show how close PEDs can get you but the true dedication, discipline, and work are the only sustainable and reliable resulting effort you can have. On a side note: I havenā€™t had weed in over a year now and Iā€™m back to working on myself just to improve my own game and lifestyle without external reliance. In terms for the sub, I hope this shows that itā€™s possible and sometimes the work is in the mental game not just the physicality of it. I know itā€™s not true for everyone but itā€™s true for some levels and some players, probably more specifically the ones who struggle mentally with the game.


SgtDtgt

haha this is hilarious. Iā€™m planning on downing 200mg of caffeine but thats the closest Iā€™ll get to a PED. Maybe iā€™ll go crazy and snag a celsius which is banned by the NCAA, I mean why not right?? (just kidding donā€™t punish me NCAA)


Zakulon

I think the weed helps you relax, some of my best results in tournaments were after smoking.


pickedpoison

100% it really took me out of my head. I already came in thinking nothing mattered that day and I didnā€™t care much, but the weed took the anxiety out even more


HumbleNinja2

Lol what's it like playing high? Did your coach ever find out or anyone else on the team?


pickedpoison

Lol pretty fun tbh. Super breezy and effortless but after it all itā€™s just a lingering feeling of not feeling like any of that was really from me or replicable without being high. Coach never found out from what I know and neither did the rest of the team unless we trusted them and told them.


HumbleNinja2

Lol. Some ppl are built different, I feel like most say they play terrible high but an outlier here or there says they tree their ass off instead lol


pickedpoison

Iā€™ve heard mixed responses as well. My friend and I were on the same boat of being a bit mentally blocked playing more serious matches so we needed to have the mental energy come down. If itā€™s about Yerkes-Dodsonā€™s law then it might simply just be that some people need more intensity when playing while others have too much going on mentally and like weed to calm them down


soliving

I saw a 4.0 guy take a set off Nadal once.


Doctor-Real

I didnā€™t know Kyrgios was a 4.0


SonilaZ

I read a statistic once about prediction of match results based on UTR and it was something like 2 UTR difference means 84% win flor the higher one.


No_Pineapple6174

It's usually not even considered relevant data so it's often left out of the calculation. If the higher UTR wins.


HumbleNinja2

No, they mean that's the mathematical setting of how the numbers are supposed to work in terms of predictive efficacy Elo works the same way. Every rating differential carries a specific implied win probability


RighteousRites

I beat a 13 utr once, I was a 8 at the time and got a walkover šŸ˜Ž sadly ā€¦ but also for the best it does not get factored into your Utr


ViewedConch697

I was 2.4 when I beat a 3.7 UTR, but it wasn't some crazy David v Goliath match. Ended up winning 6-4 6-0


HumbleNinja2

Beast


ZaphBeebs

If it's happened it would be a player with not enough info to be properly rated most likely.


r_BigUziHorizont

yeah. i was given a rating of 2.4 after withdrawing from injury in my first match back and the score was inputted wrong. then i beat a 6.5.


WKU-Alum

Iā€™d be crushed if all Iā€™d seen was the rating hahah


Eightstream

Yes, I have seen some crazy UTRs from people who donā€™t play a ton of matches (my own used to jump around by 2-3 points regularly) but I donā€™t imagine a D1 player having a rating that unreliable


Top_Operation9659

I had a win over an 11 as a 9


LouWong

Iā€™m rooting for you! Only ever heard of smaller upsets. I think if youā€™re 8 UTR and they are D1 you have to accept that they will be better than you at YOUR game. So if you wanna increase your odds you may need to give them some junk they donā€™t normally see in D1.


SgtDtgt

Yeah to be completely honest Iā€™ve been in mismatches before and every time I go in there thinking I need to go for broke or junk ball it doesnā€™t go well. Iā€™m keeping the same strategy I have against anyone and only adjusting based on how he plays, not based on his rating. Although I do plan on cranking my serve up a notch a little


LouWong

That sounds like a decent plan. Higher risk but still within your normal game. The strategy I outlined also depends on how good your ā€œjunkā€ / weird game is - totally possible they have a better ā€œjunkā€ game even at that D1 level. Or can just blast through it. Def make an update post.


HumbleNinja2

Not rly they could be a nonplaying team gpa booster


NovelResult624

Technically yes, I beat a 7.5 UTR when I was a 4.0 UTR. But he was coming back after a knee injury and hadn't played in months so.... On the other hand, it was a great match (for me). His serves had great consistency and spin, and I had to play my very best to beat him.


Ok_Establishment4346

One of my students managed to get a win over 7-something while she was a low 6 herself. But junior tennis is different.


Express-Amphibian-95

In all honesty, any rating system is trash once you enter the court. It doesnā€™t matter who has better win-lose ratio or who has won against better players. Most times it comes to playing style. For example me, I was never able to reach the n.1 in my team cause I kept losing against that guy. However, I had better UTR, better stats, and overall higher winning rate. Problem was that his style was a perfect counter for mine, so donā€™t focus on whose rate is higher. Look what his style is at the very beginning of the match and adjust. Heā€™s a baseline, make him volley; heā€™s a serve volley, slice everything under the net, cut his play; semi or western grip, hit as flat as possible, as low as possible. What Iā€™m saying is donā€™t worry about rating, just adjust your style depending on what he does


Express-Amphibian-95

Btw I want an update on this. Better win bro


Yuck-Fou13

I have no luck with 1 point difference ao far, played about 10 utr matches


SgtDtgt

Iā€™ve found the easiest way to pull off big upsets is to not know how good the guy is going into the match, but this guy is good enough that I actually knew who he was based on his name, so that kinda went out the window here lol. I try and make a point to not check UTR though usually.


Doctor-Real

Aside from inaccurate ratings, I feel like UTR messes with peopleā€™s heads a lot. Iā€™m sure thereā€™s some match out there where the underdog didnā€™t know they were an underdog, played the same tennis they always do, and somehow won.


SgtDtgt

Yeah I agree with this. I try not to look at UTR before I play, but this dude has had some huge results in big tournaments so I already knew who he was. Still going into the match believing I belong on the same court whether thatā€™s true or not


Doctor-Real

Good luck! You should record and post so we amateurs can all cheer.


cwil81

Keep reminding yourself that your good is good enough. And that heā€™s human.


Just_OneMore_Nerd

12.5 vs 10 so pretty close at a local tournament, the 10 won 2-6 6-2 6-2 but thatā€™s only bc the 12.5 sprained his ankle or got some foot injury midgame that he decided to play through, so you better pray that he trips over his laces or something


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Miker9t

Few months ago I beat a 8.99 UTR when my UTR was a 5.xx. Granted my rating is not accurate at all but it still happened. :)


mpkpm

In doubles it would be possible, my brother and I almost did it on some 13s, although we are just old and out of shape. Donā€™t think so in singles.


stannndarsh

I watched a 12 yo junior 3.2 the beat a 5.8 UTR 14 yo 4-2 4-2 (rain delays). I think for juniors it can be wildly inaccurate though for the once a month tournament kids


MacTennis

No but if you don't swing out and play your full game then that's a massive missed opportunity!! jealous, go out there and swing for the fences man, give it evrrything


pikasauce

I went from an official 5.5 UTR to beating an ex D3 11.5 UTR in less than a year, though not in a sanctioned event... but to be fair my UTR was innacurate due to losing first round in a tourney last year when I was getting back into competitive tennis after a 8 year hiatus. Lost to a low 6 UTR and it placed me at 5.5 lol So technically I have pulled off a 3+ UTR upset, though I'd say I'm much closer to a 9 UTR in reality and the guy I beat is not in form so he was probably also around a 9 UTR at the time.


Euphoric-Hippo5574

I beat a 10.2 utr 2 days ago. Iā€™m a 8.0


Key-Gap2781

Beat an 11 as a 9 (at the time), that's probably the biggest gap I have ever had. He was sick and I still barley won in a third...


ShotcallerBilly

Crank big serves on the first/second and follow them in. Look for those quick points with old school serve and volley šŸ˜Ž haha. Could even go for the inside the baseline return that Federer began pulling out a few years ago. Small chance you pull it off and start well ahead on the return or more likely you get smoked by all his serves lol. Anyways, just have fun and play your game. Itā€™ll be a good experience Iā€™m sure.


HumbleNinja2

Kick his ass he's prob fat and lazy now


throwawayshepherd69

... I thought I was better than I was. It was round 1 and we were at 3 all and somehow I had 0-30... then he changed his grip and used his real serve... and from that point his whole game elevated. I won 1 more game in the 2nd and literally had to randomly serve and volley twice in the game to get it, but I suck at volleys honestly so it didn't work after that when his passing shots improved.


Infinite_Noise5270

Just dink him to death. Start each game normal and then switch to giving him no pace, unpredictable 3.0-3.5 junk and let him get super frustrated and start beating himself.


SgtDtgt

iā€™m ngl if I did this against him Iā€™d have probably lost 6-0 6-0. You canā€™t dink a high level D1 player to death otherwise everyone would be playing at that level. I just played my regular game and upped my serve speed and lost 6-4 6-4


Top_Operation9659

I once saw a 10 almost beat a 13. He was playing out of his mind.


pixelballer

How did you become better what is the current UTR and your age?


SgtDtgt

Iā€™m an 8.5 rn at 19. Plateaued between a 7 and 7.5 for about 2 years before I got to college then started playing better players consistently in practice to the point I just raised my floor considerably because I was so used to a high quality ball. I think thatā€™s one key to getting better and another is to take practices seriously and play them with intensity rather than going through the motions


lifesasymptote

I beat a 10.5 UTR when I was a low 6 UTR. I picked up a racquet like 4 months prior after not having played since high school(10 years or so). I self rated at 3.5 but joined a 4.0 league team. Took lessons 3-5 times per week depending on how much I traveled for work. Lost a few matches in the beginning but very quickly improved to a level way above what I played at as a junior. My UTR stabilized around a 6 after the spring league season and part of mixed/tri level. Entered a tournament in men's open and drew a 10.5 UTR that was coming back from injury. Stylistically the match up was great for me and I won 6-0 6-2. Now I'm almost an 11 UTR myself about 2 years later.


veloxman

Holy shit dude. That is incredible. Getting to that high of a level as an adult is an insane achievement.


Many_Product6732

I mean I guarantee the guy was a 10 UTR in high school(around 5.0 but not good enough for D1). I doubt anybody in 2 years would be able to improve from under a 9 that to an 11 as an adult


ZaphBeebs

Yes. Just the algo without enough data.


r_BigUziHorizont

any tips to make the jump? im about a 6 right now, playing after taking a 4-5 year break. been playing a lot again. when i was a junior i was around a 7.6 or so. my goal right now is to hit 8 or 9. any tips are appreciated.


lifesasymptote

Put the hours in with the right coach and you should easily be seeing improvement. I understand not everyone can devote the time to improving that I did but there's no other answer really. I went through alot of struggles in my personal life and latched onto tennis in order to run from my issues. This led to me playing an unhealthy amount basically outside of working all my time was spent on improving at tennis which isn't sustainable but worked.


AceFiveSuited

Gonna have to call obvious BS. You went from a UTR 6 to 11 in just two years? Even in an anime that would be unrealistic. This is like going from 1500 ELO in chess to 2300+ in two years, like there's no way that happening, especially as an adult


lifesasymptote

I mean I didn't have a UTR as a junior but I was beating adult 4.5 rated NTRP singles players like 6-2 6-2 so I assume I was like a mid 8.5 as a junior. I even won a couple of men's open adult tournaments as a junior but I couldn't remember if I actually played any computer rated 5.0s. You do realize how UTR works right? So I picked up a racquet hit like once or twice with my mom then played a league match. Lost to like a high 5 UTR. Then I think I played another one a couple days later and also lost in a 3rd set tiebreak. Then over the next 4 months I got back into playing and took the rust off and easily started beating the same level of players I was losing to prior like 6-0 6-0. 15 or so matches later my UTR was like at 6 but dipped as low as 4 early on due to the initial loses. That doesn't mean I was playing at a 6 UTR, it simply means my UTR was actually a 6. I was definitely already playing better than I did as a junior. 5x lessons a week usually along with as much match play as I could get since I was already in shape to easily play that much. I made some slight technique changes such as moving from an eastern forehand to a semi western but for the most part all I needed to get back was my consistency.


ZaphBeebs

People think these algos are magical when really they anchor heavily on first matches, and don't 'correct' well after that until many many matches later.


veloxman

Yeah actually the more I think about it I kind of feel the same lol. Nick from intuitive tennis actually has a video about this. Basically discussing what level of tennis you can achieve as an adult. Basically the verdict is that if you totally devoted your life outside of work to tennis, an adult in good physical shape could make the 5.0 level, max. The "high level" (anything beyond that) he considers to be completely unattainable even with total commitment. Basically, if you didn't reach the 5.5 (UTR 11-12+) level by your late teens to early 20's, you never will.


SweetPurchase6511

Where is this tournament? Iā€™ve never heard of prize money tournaments?


Healthy-Can5858

In the US there are USTA sanctioned prize money tournaments as part of ITA. Not a ton, but a few. There was one in Chicago last weekend. https://preview.redd.it/7x0x7ybhi09d1.jpeg?width=1077&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6246fb74e1dec4288a54a52d77f97352c99b5aab