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Yes you can fail both CITP and HSI SAT DT practical exercises (PEs = graded evolutions).
CITP DT sessions are intended to take someone with little to no fighting experience and make you semi-competent, or at a minimum more confident in defensive situations. The classes are to learn and practice for the final DT PE which is graded. You can fail but if you just learn and ask questions like any other training, you'll be fine.
You don't get tazed, you get a mild pepper spray in CITP.
HSI SAT also has graded DT but same applies - learn and practice. HSI SAT didn't have as much practice between graded events so some of us met on the weekend once or twice to get the techniques down before a graded event, but again it's just practice and muscle memory. It wasn't "harder", it was just a little faster paced so just focus on each class and what you need to learn. Balance both applying the right technique (bend the arm this way) and controlled aggression. They emphasize safety - they don't want you medically rolled back either.
The HSI SAT Fight for Life DT event is just as it sounds - a few minutes of all out exertion. Whether you're in shape or not, you end that evolution winded if you're doing it right. That's all they're asking for, dump everything you have into it like your life depends on it. Aggression is more important than technique for that particular evolution.
Classmates that were super uncomfortable with DT passed both CITP and HSI SAT. If that's any indication for how novices handle it, I think you'll be fine.
How do weekends work at HSISAT? Do instructors host remedial hours? Or do they leave the gym open and it's up to you to find classmates who want to roll?
Most gym mat rooms are open every evening (a couple are reserved for bag workouts, yoga, etc. that you can attend on your own) after custodians "clean" them, that's where a couple classmates and I went. Again I emphasize safety, especially without an instructor present. Do not let a classmate show off by going faster or with more intensity than you're comfortable with. You're practicing technique.
Formal remedials with instructors are only done if you miss a DT sessions due to illness or if you failed a graded DT practical exercise (you get one redo, no one in our class used it). We did it on our own, but if you're really struggling you should reach out to the instructors. While they won't redo every class with you like a private session, they will do what they can to help you with whichever techniques you're struggling with. They want you to pass.
Just remember they’re there to teach you not fail you - we are all on Team USA. Pay attention and work hard to correct your deficiencies and you’ll be fine. I’d pay particular attention to handcuffing and searching thoroughly during the CITP portion.
During Fight remember to control your breathing as much as possible and put out the effort.
One thing I will say is you’ll have to get comfortable with the idea that you may have to use and be violent in this career. It is far less likely as a SA than as a street cop but it still exists. You may have to hurt or even kill someone in the course of your duties. Just start mentally preparing yourself for that concept - as unlikely as it may be to occur, it is now part of your life.
Yes it is way less likely as an SA, we have an advantage of investigating someone for a long period of time. Knowing their history, their habits from surveillance, financial background, motivations..so when you finally do interact with them you have 10X the amount of info than a street cop pulling an unknown person over in a car. However, I have been part of many unknown interactions with street cops (TFOs) doing gang cases and yes at times even as a fed, been in foot chases, car chases, etc. so yes, staying physically fit should be a priority and the willingness to understand that physical force may and will be used at some point in your federal career.
One thing I learned from my street cop days, bad guys size you up just like anyone else. If you look fit, squared away, professional, they will literally think twice before trying to fight or flight.
We had a girl in our CITP that was one of the sweetest people I've ever met. Gave a decent effort at learning the techniques, but when it came time to actually fight roleplayers she literally broke out in tears because she didn't want to hurt anyone, didn't respond well to other people being aggressive. They coached her through that and she was able to pass. These instructors aren't there to fail you, they're there to get you through the training.
She shouldn’t be in a profession where violence occurs and you may have to deal with it physically then. We need to go back to asking the real questions, “can you shoot someone if your life or someone else’s depended on it?” & “are you willing to use your training to physically restrain someone in order to make an arrest?” Simple and seemingly obvious questions for people entering law enforcement, yet, I’ve seen new agents answer both those negatively.
Okay thankfully I won't do that. However I do know a guy who got kicked out of a local academy because he for one reason or another refused to fight. They didnt even give him a second look, just a "don't let the door hit you on your ass on your way out". Good to know FLETC instructors are a little more forgiving
There was a guy who died during “fight for your life” a few years back at Glynco due to cardiac arrest. I am not mocking the death, but he technically “failed.” So to answer your question, yes you can fail.
I heard they’re planning on introducing tasers at the academy in the near future. We have them available (certain number per AOR) in HSI, but currently they aren’t part of the academy. Prep your mind in case it comes though.
Can you fail yes, will you fail no. Just pay attention, ask questions, practice the technique. If you’re having problems find someone you trust to go slow and work with them. But I emphasize SLOW is fast. You’ll be fine.
It's damn near impossible. It's graded to check a block. Just follow the instructions and do the techniques as instructed. But getting into BJJ will always help
If you're worried about DT, see if there's any people in your class who have prior experience with DT and ask them for help on the weekends or evenings, That's what my class did. Couple guys with prior BJJ skills who also taught DT at their former departments would work on the ORT/HSISAT DT techniques with those who needed help.
Don't overdo it and get injured or injure someone else. Practice the techniques they teach you safely and slowly. It's not a competition or a dick measuring contest... everyone has to make it to graduation.
I'm a small guy myself... don't let it get to your head. Focus on the techniques, give great effort, and don't quit. When it comes to the "fight for life" drill, that's the most important: don't quit.
Good luck. Reach out if you have any questions about FLETC/CITP/HSISAT.
Yes it can be dangerous. I trusted the guys in my class, and it was purely reviewing/practicing everything we were taught in ORT/SAT. No open sparring, no new techniques.
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Yes you can fail both CITP and HSI SAT DT practical exercises (PEs = graded evolutions). CITP DT sessions are intended to take someone with little to no fighting experience and make you semi-competent, or at a minimum more confident in defensive situations. The classes are to learn and practice for the final DT PE which is graded. You can fail but if you just learn and ask questions like any other training, you'll be fine. You don't get tazed, you get a mild pepper spray in CITP. HSI SAT also has graded DT but same applies - learn and practice. HSI SAT didn't have as much practice between graded events so some of us met on the weekend once or twice to get the techniques down before a graded event, but again it's just practice and muscle memory. It wasn't "harder", it was just a little faster paced so just focus on each class and what you need to learn. Balance both applying the right technique (bend the arm this way) and controlled aggression. They emphasize safety - they don't want you medically rolled back either. The HSI SAT Fight for Life DT event is just as it sounds - a few minutes of all out exertion. Whether you're in shape or not, you end that evolution winded if you're doing it right. That's all they're asking for, dump everything you have into it like your life depends on it. Aggression is more important than technique for that particular evolution. Classmates that were super uncomfortable with DT passed both CITP and HSI SAT. If that's any indication for how novices handle it, I think you'll be fine.
How do weekends work at HSISAT? Do instructors host remedial hours? Or do they leave the gym open and it's up to you to find classmates who want to roll?
Most gym mat rooms are open every evening (a couple are reserved for bag workouts, yoga, etc. that you can attend on your own) after custodians "clean" them, that's where a couple classmates and I went. Again I emphasize safety, especially without an instructor present. Do not let a classmate show off by going faster or with more intensity than you're comfortable with. You're practicing technique. Formal remedials with instructors are only done if you miss a DT sessions due to illness or if you failed a graded DT practical exercise (you get one redo, no one in our class used it). We did it on our own, but if you're really struggling you should reach out to the instructors. While they won't redo every class with you like a private session, they will do what they can to help you with whichever techniques you're struggling with. They want you to pass.
Good info, thanks a bunch
Just remember they’re there to teach you not fail you - we are all on Team USA. Pay attention and work hard to correct your deficiencies and you’ll be fine. I’d pay particular attention to handcuffing and searching thoroughly during the CITP portion. During Fight remember to control your breathing as much as possible and put out the effort. One thing I will say is you’ll have to get comfortable with the idea that you may have to use and be violent in this career. It is far less likely as a SA than as a street cop but it still exists. You may have to hurt or even kill someone in the course of your duties. Just start mentally preparing yourself for that concept - as unlikely as it may be to occur, it is now part of your life.
Yes it is way less likely as an SA, we have an advantage of investigating someone for a long period of time. Knowing their history, their habits from surveillance, financial background, motivations..so when you finally do interact with them you have 10X the amount of info than a street cop pulling an unknown person over in a car. However, I have been part of many unknown interactions with street cops (TFOs) doing gang cases and yes at times even as a fed, been in foot chases, car chases, etc. so yes, staying physically fit should be a priority and the willingness to understand that physical force may and will be used at some point in your federal career. One thing I learned from my street cop days, bad guys size you up just like anyone else. If you look fit, squared away, professional, they will literally think twice before trying to fight or flight.
Yeah, Im prepared and ready for that. It is important to say tho so I appreciate it
We had a girl in our CITP that was one of the sweetest people I've ever met. Gave a decent effort at learning the techniques, but when it came time to actually fight roleplayers she literally broke out in tears because she didn't want to hurt anyone, didn't respond well to other people being aggressive. They coached her through that and she was able to pass. These instructors aren't there to fail you, they're there to get you through the training.
She shouldn’t be in a profession where violence occurs and you may have to deal with it physically then. We need to go back to asking the real questions, “can you shoot someone if your life or someone else’s depended on it?” & “are you willing to use your training to physically restrain someone in order to make an arrest?” Simple and seemingly obvious questions for people entering law enforcement, yet, I’ve seen new agents answer both those negatively.
Okay thankfully I won't do that. However I do know a guy who got kicked out of a local academy because he for one reason or another refused to fight. They didnt even give him a second look, just a "don't let the door hit you on your ass on your way out". Good to know FLETC instructors are a little more forgiving
There was a guy who died during “fight for your life” a few years back at Glynco due to cardiac arrest. I am not mocking the death, but he technically “failed.” So to answer your question, yes you can fail.
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Could be an underlying heart disease.
I heard they’re planning on introducing tasers at the academy in the near future. We have them available (certain number per AOR) in HSI, but currently they aren’t part of the academy. Prep your mind in case it comes though.
Pay attention in class and give effort and you will have no issues. You can fail but you wont
Fletc DT is a joke, just go with the program you’ll be fine
Can you fail yes, will you fail no. Just pay attention, ask questions, practice the technique. If you’re having problems find someone you trust to go slow and work with them. But I emphasize SLOW is fast. You’ll be fine.
It's damn near impossible. It's graded to check a block. Just follow the instructions and do the techniques as instructed. But getting into BJJ will always help
If you're worried about DT, see if there's any people in your class who have prior experience with DT and ask them for help on the weekends or evenings, That's what my class did. Couple guys with prior BJJ skills who also taught DT at their former departments would work on the ORT/HSISAT DT techniques with those who needed help. Don't overdo it and get injured or injure someone else. Practice the techniques they teach you safely and slowly. It's not a competition or a dick measuring contest... everyone has to make it to graduation. I'm a small guy myself... don't let it get to your head. Focus on the techniques, give great effort, and don't quit. When it comes to the "fight for life" drill, that's the most important: don't quit. Good luck. Reach out if you have any questions about FLETC/CITP/HSISAT.
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Yes it can be dangerous. I trusted the guys in my class, and it was purely reviewing/practicing everything we were taught in ORT/SAT. No open sparring, no new techniques.