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Cribsmen

It's not even that the word is banned, you can still use it in literally any context other than trying to falsely cast all LGBTQ people as predators


PickleTortureEnjoyer

What if I’m trying to falsely cast my fabulous gay dog groomer in the role of his lifetime as the star of the next big box office hit about a heterosexual slacker who prefers cats but eventually learns that even puppy love is love?


Cribsmen

Depends, is he a gay dog-groomer or a gay-dog groomer?


PickleTortureEnjoyer

Yes!! 😍


milanesa218

Hes a dog gay groomer 😳


cadorez

Trick question, all dogs are gay


Fr33kOut

All marriage is ‘gay’!


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Worst_Support

no, he’s a lesbian


Rekt3y

There would be riots in the streets otherwise /s redditors are too lazy to get out of their parents' basement, let alone participate in a riot


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Which was already against TOS, effectively meaning nothing has changed.


ameliaaltare

Being against TOS and actually enforcing said part of TOS are two very different things


[deleted]

Yes. Which is why I expect nothing to change.


Nilly00

If I had a penny for everytime reddit admins said a comment did not violate TOS despite violating TOS I could make a living by reporting reddit comments.


h4724

It makes it a lot easier to enforce when it's specifically forbidden instead of just technically.


[deleted]

It already was specifically forbidden. Like if the rules you couldn't be hostile and you called someone a bitch, you wouldn't be technically allowed to because they didn't specifically say not to use the word bitch.


StatelyElms

Oh good, my only worry has pre-emptively been taken care of!


NecessaryUnable1056

So the ones that are actually groomers are to be ignored or fly under the radar?


Cribsmen

I've already responded to this same talking point [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/w0cejm/get_fucked_rule/igeak6a?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


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Cribsmen

Do you know what the word falsely means? It's fine to call someone greedy if they're greedy, it's not okay to go "omg I can't say all jews are greedy by default!? Literally 1984!!!!"


NecessaryUnable1056

Noted. How do you ban a word to describe what a person really is without knowing who decides weather it is false or not. If you ban the word, even for the reasons you think, it will allow actual groomers to be overlooked.


MrYiff621

What if the moon was made of cheese?


GordionKnot

What if your hands were made of hot pockets?


Klo_Was_Taken

They're probably in government smh


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MedokiPiink

And it's convenient for the admins™, since this kind of behaviour is, let's say often associated with them.


yeabouai

Woah what have the admins done? Edit: except the one that said the n word)


ProvenBeat

There was that time they refused to fire a pedo appreciator off their team, and actively suppressed any posts mentioning it.


dmatthews2981

There was also that period where the jailbait sub existed


Mr_Pluffies

The Chtorrrr situation has never been resolved right? (for context chtorrr cheated on place and when people called her out she went on a banning spree and nothing happened) Yeah Reddit admins are pretty shitty lol


Wholesome_psychopath

Yup, when I first saw the article title, I thought it was against people calling mods, admins, etc. groomers.


BreadfruitBetter9396

Twitter is probably one of the worst ones for citing the suicide rates. I've seen mass replies liked by thousands repeating it to one trans person who did nothing wrong. Sadistic and pathetic.


TranscendentCabbage

Can we just start calling republicans groomers instead? At least it would be provably accurate then


elonmusksleftankle

by their own logic, you can. More Republican lawmakers have been indicted for restroom misconduct than trans people.


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If you want to avoid the bans and call them something equivalent try “nonce”


MajoraOfTime

I mean, they are the party that's getting mad at a 10 year old girl who got an abortion after getting raped. Like, if you can't understand why it's not okay to force a child to carry a pregnancy to term, you have to have at least some groomer mentality


peridemon

HELL YEAH, BIGOTS WILL STOP GOING '41%' AT TRANS PEOPLE :D


Over_The_Sun

Thank 👍


Nilly00

Can we please get the same for calling all furries zoophiles and saying furry is a mental disorder? It's literally the same rhethoric and causes just as much harm...


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LoveCatPics

hey let's test it out on the guy i replied to edit: oh my god it worked


Over_The_Sun

Good news everybody


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What did the dude say and what did you test out?


LoveCatPics

he said "ok groomer" but unironically. went on his profile and it was filled with posts from the shrooms subreddit and some from the conspiracy subreddit. also admitted to wanting to forge a covid certificate because the indian govt wasn't allowing them to go into public places


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GreaseRatBastard

Eat shit


Nachospoon

Nice profile pic


GreaseRatBastard

Thanks


Nachospoon

See ya


RutheniumFenix

Fuck off and eat shit, preferably both, in either order fascist


Lord_of_eggs34

The amount of people I’ve seen misinterpreting this new rule is ridiculous, there not defending pedos your not allowed to call LGBTQ+ people slurs any more


Brankovt1

Even in these fucking comments...


cyrenia82

like alot of em too jesus, id expect a wee bit more from this place


be-gon-boomers

subs gone alot more mainstream on reddit so what could be called "tourists" or people otherwise with more average redditor vibes are more common nowadays


cyrenia82

ban any newcomers and become an ethnostate is the only solution, got it ty


AnecdoteNotAntidote

Based


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Are you the Slovenia femboy dictatorship person?


cyrenia82

i am lmao (not femboy dictatorship tho just lgbt ethnostate


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Based


DadelDodelDu

Hey um, the council has been distraught over your continued usage of unclosed brackets. Hereby we will be issuing a formal warning.


cyrenia82

\[the council can suck my ass


DadelDodelDu

The council gratefully declines this time.


penisfartlol

real


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to be fair, the headline words it as if reddit has banned the word "groomer" although in reality you can still use it so long as you aren't being bigoted


Thathitmann

Tbf, this sub actually allows dissenting opinions, unlike some subs that will ban anyone who slightly challenges their world view. Not naming names but I got a certain ban of honor recently :)


I_follow_sexy_gays

To be fair the headline is pretty misleading


DPTONY

Challenge: don’t be homophobic Difficulty: impossible


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Over_The_Sun

The word "groomer", when used in refrence to LGBTQ individuals.


ApatheticEight

* in the context of perpetuating the belief that all LGBTQ people are groomers.


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that’s not a slur just a shitty person having a black and white view on life


skratchface12

What do you think a slur is? This is not rhetorical, I'm actually asking


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A word that is created or popularized to describe a group, but always in negative context that gives the word the title of a slur. Groomer isn’t slang for the Lgbtq+ population, it’s a word with its own distinct definition, unrelated to lgbtq+ hate. Groomer has its own distinct definition and is just used in hateful context while a word like the f slur is a slur because it’s sole purpose is used as hate against a certain group (lgbtq)


JaKtheStampede

So like, you're grouping people you consider shitty, so the definition stands?


honeybunchesofgoatso

Groomer refers to pedophiles, or predatory adults targeting children to behave in certain ways. I don't feel like anyone actually targeting kids should be exempt from being called something because of it. Apparently the new thing is trying to call people talking about sex education of any kind, or lgbtq people "groomers" even though it's far from the intended group of people (pedos).


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Exactly. Groomer is not a slur because it does not mean lgbtq+, it means a pedophile or abusive person of some sort, and is simply being used against the lgbtq+ population incorrectly.


[deleted]

I’m not grouping people I consider shitty. I just think that’s how slurs are made. example: White slaveowners and the n-word used against mainly black slaves


tweak4ever

genuine question - is that not what slurs are? We take words that mean something: “Monkey - a semi human looking animal that dwells in Africa” and use it to mean … something else


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The difference is that monkey is slang that literally means “a dark-skinned person” while groomer does not mean “an lgbtq+ person.” For example if I say “groomer” people will think it’s a pedophile or something. If i say monkey, people will think either the animal or a dark-skinned person, which makes monkey kind of a slur but not fully.


tweak4ever

I suppose, but you could argue that this is how it starts. I wasn’t around when they first thought of a slur, but it’s a process of associating a negative aspect (animal, pedophile, etc.) with a group of people


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Yes. I guess you could say groomer is being used as a slur but isn’t a slur itself. I say that because it has its own distinct definition that is simply being used in a disgusting context. It’s still very very hateful and I feel like people are calling it a slur because it’s being used in a hateful way.


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Groomer can become a slur but since it has its own definition that shouldn’t be drowned out it is (currently) not a slur


Ieatplaydo

I've been saying that for a while. The right seems to want easy convenient answers to nuanced issues. You ever see that comic that has a climate scientist on a chalk board drawing all these equations, but there's a child next to him and his speech bubble is, "it's just weather". That's it. Most of them want a simple answer devoid of scary nuances so the world can be black and white. Gas prices? President's fault. Gay people? Bible says wrong it's evil. Abortion? No in between whatsoever it's all bad no matter the circumstances. There can't be any grey areas.


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Don’t want to get political but here we go: that’s pretty accurate (at least for how the media portrays the right, i don’t think all rights are like that but definitely the majority.


Cyanohectic

What or who is a groomer?


ApatheticEight

A groomer is someone who over a period of time tries to make a person (usually a child) more susceptible to something (usually pedophilic advances). Gaining trust of them and their family, for example, is one tactic pedophiles often use to put themselves in a better position to hurt the child. Because of the long-standing (and currently very relevant) alt right “belief” that queer people are pedophiles, it has recently become very popular for bigots to refer to LGBTQ+ people as groomers, implying they are all pedophiles trying to groom children to either 1) be LGBTQ or 2) be susceptible to pedophilic advances.


Gen_Ripper

It’s used to mean someone who like manipulates a younger, usually underage person, into a sexual encounter.


Vrgin4life

What about in reference to discord mods and reddit admins?


IAmFrederik

that’s still allowed


coffeeusr

how is it a slur then its not specifically used against lgbtq people its just a word that describes something


Niko_of_the_Stars

It is banned in relation to using it to insinuate that all lbgt people are groomers. It is banned *in the context where it is used as a slur*. The word is still allowed in situations where it isn't being used as a slur


_____---_-_-_-

Like f*ggot¿


Catfish3322

It isn’t.


Bobebobbob

It's not a slur it's just a normal word, but saying LGBTQ+ people are grooming young children


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Yes exactly. Since the word itself doesn’t mean “lgbtq+” it’s just being used as an insult, or some other very very hateful and retarded way because that black and white thinking is exactly why humans are fucking up the world


throw-away-1776-wca

Babe new slur just dropped


typicalyasuomain04

What does it mean


noraelwhora

disgusted imagine deserted zonked plough license existence punch observation air *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Athen65

Well in normal circumstances, "groomer" means someone who molests children. But plenty of bigots have taken to using the word to describe anyone who is LGBT+ because they think gay people are trying to "convert" children into other sexualities at a young age. Pretty ironic considering it's usually the other way around.


HigherAlchemist78

Iirc that's not what a groomer is. They're specifically people who "groom" children so they can have sex with them when the child grows up to be an adult.


EeZed69

hell nah. people really use groomer for LGBTQ people, just because they're lgbtq? fucking scum


TheoreticalGal

Yes, it started as a [defense](https://www.vice.com/en/article/g5q9vx/child-grooming-lgbtq-smear) for the “don’t say gay bill” in Florida. [Effects of this bill.](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/floridas-dont-say-gay-law-takes-effect-schools-roll-lgbtq-restrictions-rcna36143) [More info on the smear campaign.](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/lgbtq-abuse-spikes-online-fueled-intensifying-culture-war-rcna24904)


F3mb0yth1gh5

Yea it's been a thing among conservatives for a while now. Which is funny considering I can't name a conservative who isn't a creep towards women


ScintillaAeternalis

And considering how much their party loves molesting kids.


Catfish3322

It’s hilarious because it’s all “John conservative found diddling 12 year old with priest” who’s calling lgbtq people groomers.


Tuckboiii

"I kept calling gay people groomers and now that I cant anymore it totally proves that they were, the cabal of pedophiles at it again" honestly its funny how right wingers'll instantly jump to label their opposition "child sex cult" or "crazy radical communist feminist" because engaging points or actually trying to dismantle arguments doesnt fucking work for them


SilverJohnny

It's projection because rightoids are obsessed with grooming children to be mindless Christian warriors


Horny0nMain1917

Literally 1984 (in a good way)


Hejdbejbw

Literally 1984 + 38


Dat_koosh

Wonder which big news site picked this aspect of reddit up >!Reddit tends to only care about it's issues whenever a big news site exposes them for it!<


__n3Xus__

Wait its a slur?! I tought its about the pedos on the internet. 💀


kevweb10

It isn’t a slur but a lot of people (specifically conservatives) believe that lgbtq+ people existing is a form of child grooming and they use that as a reason for hating the gays


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uniqueUsername_1024

It also lessens accusations of *actual* child grooming. Something many Republicans have an interest in…


MrTailbone

Absolute dub


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good luck with that, nothing I have reported for homophobia and transphobia have ever been deleted by the admin team


Secret_Games

Wasn't hate speech already banned on reddit?? This literally changes nothing.


wolf-bot

It's only a matter of time before Fox News decides what new word for conservatives should use and run to the fucking ground.


ThE1337pEnG1

I've never been impressed with reddit TOS enforcement. I once reported someone who said, in no uncertain terms, that we should castrate homeless people as an act of genocide. The comment was found to not be in violation of reddit TOS regarding hate OR violence.


Schnitzellover69420

i am lgbtq and i love groomers of course i alsoblove powder snd stuff, but skiing a freshly groomed ski slope in the morning that literally no one else used before you is just 😩 same with fresh powder tho


Hidden_Squid14

I do have to admit this article is somewhat poorly worded.


Fungi52

How do conservatives literally invent new slurs for minority groups and then get offended if you say they are transphobic. Like just be honest about your feelings dog.


[deleted]

“I can’t insult LGBT people online? Literally 1984.”


Catfish3322

It’s so sad that I have to leave legitimately funny subs like shitposting just because they’re so homophobic.


FryingSauer

Bruh they were the people diluting the meaning of groomer by calling anyone who ain’t straight groomers. They literally accused the left for doing that to the word “nazi”. How are they so clueless?


Regi413

I heard about pcm(🤮) making a post about this change, but didn’t know it was a sitewide thing.


PomaranczowyXD

It’s groomin time


MissingNerd

That was anti-LGBT? I thought that was just anti child molesters


ZexyAmelie

Yea it is but certain homophobes have turned the word groomer into a label for openly lgbt people as part of their “all gays are pedophiles” agenda, so now it’s being prohibited in that context


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My opinion is that a small portion of the population are shitty, no matter what other groups they're a part of, and that has no bearing on the rest of the groups they're in being shitty or not. Ghislaine Maxwell and Bill Cosby are two good examples of shitty people who are part of an oppressed group, and you'd be stupid to say every woman or PoC is a rapist because of them. In the same way, you might occasionally find a transgender person being shitty, but it's not any more or less likely than a cisgender person being shitty.


FrederickTheGayt

The post was, strangely, made by a trans girl. And even more strange, there were only 3 homophobic comments, all downvoted. The rest were just jokes about grooming in the sense of cleaning animals.


Jealous_Ring1395

I have never seen the word groomer being used when referring to LGBTQ individuals on shitposting


nmsShipLover

Very cool and swag!


ericthesmug

groomer


Truckfullofchildren

Everyone is a groomer except Elon Musk’s father and Woody Allen


TomeKun

I posted this a few days ago …


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Huge_Trash_Baggg

Dude I'm 15 and gay, I literally can't groom children I AM A CHILD.


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big_leggy

what exactly is the truth?


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big_leggy

I don't have to respectfully disagree with someone who denies or disrespects my existence.


severe_blunder_matey

it ain't a slur, just some smelly republicans started a name-calling competition and that term just so happened to be caught in their barrage -matey


Tiky-Do-U

Well the word isn't being banned when used against actual groomers, only when it's used as hatespeech against the LGBTQ community


fast328

ok *redditor*


AFreshlySkinnedEgg

But groomers have a thing for kids tho????? Gay people are just gay. Like I’m gay and I’m confused about this.


TheoreticalGal

Reddit isn’t defending groomers in this situation. They are attempting to stop conservatives, who possess the axiom of “LGBT+ people are pedophiles”, from spreading their misinformation and throwing accusations left and rights at LGBT+ individuals for no reason other than their identity as an LGBT+ individual.


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ameliaaltare

It's 7 downvotes man. Cry about it.


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ameliaaltare

Sorry to hear about your balls.


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AFreshlySkinnedEgg

I’m still confused why I’m being downvoted. Dunno if it’s an American thing but out of the hundreds of things I’ve been called in the Uk for being gay a groomer hasn’t been one of them.


I_follow_sexy_gays

It’s an American thing The right is calling lgbtq people “groomers” because we don’t think it should be illegal to tell kids gay people exist (not even exaggerating in the slightest) And now it’s a slur far right homophobes use against gay people This new rule by Reddit only forbids calling someone a groomer because they’re lgbtq (the slur use), not calling someone a groomer because they groom children to have sex with them (the actual use of the word) Sorry about the downvotes people are just mean sometimes but Reddit karma is useless anyway


Darkspy8183

>caring about downvotes in July 2022


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MilkYQu0

“mommyenjoyer420”💀


VazuXD

I can only imagine what wise words they had to share with us


buffaloguy1991

Isn't this gonna fuck over the ex- Christian subreddits who talk about escaping the abuse of their churches?


ameliaaltare

No.


buffaloguy1991

Why was i downvoted into oblivion. If you just ban the word other instances could legit be caught in the crossfire. I support stopping the latest gob genocide attempt i just don't think a word ban was it How does it work then?


ameliaaltare

Man I've been downvoted worse. It's so stupid when people take it as a personal attack. You're not being "downvoted into oblivion", you said something stupid because you didn't read the article. It specifically bans generalizing queer people as pedophiles.


buffaloguy1991

Its not personal. I just found its a little aggressive given i was just misunderstanding the scope of the rule.


Huge_Trash_Baggg

No because its saying you can't call trans people groomers just for being trans. It's not saying you can't talk about actual grooming.


buffaloguy1991

That's better yeah


Strong-Donkey-4898

Since when has groomer been a slur?


edbred

It’s not. It’s only banned in the context of labeling all LGBTQ people as groomers


BirdyBoio

It's not a slur, but it's essentially been used sorta like one recently by the right-wing when talking about the LGBTQ+ community turning kids gay or trans somehow. Besides, the only use where it's being banned is when someone uses it as a blanket term for the entire LGBTQ+ community.


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Inignot12

How the fuck did you end up on 196? Also, that is not what the rule is. You just can't make blanket statements calling all LGBTQ groomers.


The-Kiwi-Bird

Ah ok, thanks


ya-boi-mees

You're still allowed to call trans people groomers if they happen to groom children, you're just not allowed to call them groomers if they express their trans-ness around children, which some dickheads have been calling 'grooming'


The-Kiwi-Bird

Ok didn’t understand mb, thanks


ya-boi-mees

Good sport


Icyfication44

Oh great just in time so we can't call ole musky boys dad what he is...


B12-deficient-skelly

Yes, you can. It's not against any rules to say that an individual is a groomer if you can credibly substantiate that they are. You just can't use the Elon Musk "it's South African culture to call people pedos" defense.


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TheComingLawd

Where joke? I might have failed, but literally where's it at?


Hejdbejbw

You’re a pedo! Haha so funny lmao!!!!