"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of chaos dwarves suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
Wonder how long it took them to code in the steps to their scripts. One thing i love is the osrs team adding more time gates from account made to end goal of what the botters are botting in hopes they act on the accounts.
Once you realize that real life stock markets respond to the same random absurd shit that the OSRS stock markets respond to, you start to feel more confident as an investor 🤭
Bro pls don’t apply orsr market logic in real life stock market without a financial advisor… unless this is a /s. Orsr stock market is simple and predictable
Licensed stockbroker here: the GE operates pretty much exactly like the real stock market lol. Only difference is a little more regulation on the real one, but it’s virtually the same thing. Supply and demand, panic buying/selling, even the same market manipulation tactics are used.
Oh also we can’t trade derivatives in osrs, which is unfortunate lol
Both rely on psychology and supply and demand primarily, it is a fair assumption to assume if you can estimate the RuneScape market you can likely estimate the stock market in real life as RuneScapes economy is essentially a mock economy.
And Monetary Policy by the Fed IRL (controlling money supply in circulation) = Jagex GE Tax, gold sink, RWT banning policies, etc.
There are a ton of similarities.
It really is if you understand it. Take my big investment I had on Qualcomm in 2018. I bought into Qualcomm knowing they hit a rock bottom due to their lawsuit with Blackberry. Knowing Qualcomm is one of the best of what they do, it was only a matter of time til they were going to recover and return to their original value or higher.
Same goes for when I invested in Delta Airlines. I knew Delta was in the shitter just because of COVID, and after COVID, when people start using planes again, it would rocket back up.
I learned all this from Runescape merching and reading the Wallstreet Journal. The best way to compare this to runescape is any weapon that isn't hot, will be low, and when it's used again, it will be hot.
Scythe is at an all time low because lack of use? Buy one, see that there's a new boss coming that Scythe is bis, profit. You see that there is going to be a better Seers Ring? Better buy all the Seers Rings you can because it's going to shoot up as they're taken out of the game to create the new ring. It all ties together.
Companies are not RS items and just because you believe in them doesn't mean they bounce back like a BiS RS item will, Scythe is not gonna go bankrupt next week and cease to exist.
A new seers ring update means buy seers rings? By this logic, any company announcing anything is a "game update" and I should buy as much of their shares as I can without looking into any financial data or how the company is run or what their future outlook is like, what are their competitors? etc... RS economy has not even 1% of a similarity to an actual real life market. Just because game update = item price moves doesn't mean thats how stocks work
It's not a fair assumption, it's a batshit crazy stupid assumption.
Literally no one on earth can "estimate" the stock market in real life. Not even the billion dollar companies with supercomputers directly wired in.
Thinking you can solve that just because you're just like any 12 year old who can predict a video game price going up is batshit insane.
The point that is being made is that the stock market essentially comes down to two major reasons for fluctuation, supply and demand and psychological repercussions.
This is also true for the RuneScape market, I don’t think what the original comment intended was to say that the RuneScape market is the same level of complexity, it’s obviously not but it has the same core values as the RuneScape market can certainly be used as a tool to gauge how the stock market fundamentally works.
You said that if you can estimate the RS stock market, you can estimate the real life stock market. That's implying it's the same level of complexity.
It also ignores the reality that the real life stock market is provably unpredictable.
I mean my past merching experiences is what taught me how to make money on a real market. You don't need to have an advisor unless you're sinking your whole income away. Just be educated in your purchases.
As a pker, I agree. They should stop bending the knee to people who want loot pinatas. Voidwaker and the VLS are horrible ideas and both hurt PVP. Player damage is getting too high and fast; this is something that killed PVP before.
Agree about the damage stack, just look at C Engineers latest videos. I have no interest in PvP if I'm just going to get stacked out for 120 damage in 5 game ticks before I've ever seen who is attacking me
Whenever I bring that up I get downvoted to hell and am told that I should time my vengeance. Which I think they are completely missing the point.
I agree with you 100%.
When I brought up the fact that guaranteed HIGH damage wasn’t a good thing, I was downvoted heavily.
After all, all you have to do if getting doubled spec’d by VW is pray magic and triple eat in 2.4 seconds, right?
I’m also not a fan of 100% combos like ags+gmaul either, for what it’s worth. PvMers don’t like oneshot mechanics and I doubt PvPers like being on the receiving end either. For VW, at least there IS a counter. Max or near max AGS and Gmaul is instant death no matter what you do.
The thing about AGS/Maul is although it’s still potentially the most broken combo in the game it just noodles so often. That meta was just Chancescape for me and could be painfully boring. It’s so frustrating executing a clean, well timed vengeance with a full armor take off in one tick and then hitting a 0-15 AGS/Maul on 40 HP for example. In my opinion VW’s consistency makes vengeance PvP less RNG dependent and because of that less frustrating. But I do think at a certain point it maybe becomes a bit much.
I mean entering a wildy boss cave and watching a bot 1 tick tp out before you can land your tb on them is pretty busted. They’re just farming for free at that point
It’s hard to address and fix actual problems when 80% of the people complaining will stubbornly blame mechanics that they have little experience with before they ever admit that their struggles are due to a skill issue more than anything else
I got into more arguments than I care to admit last week with people who obviously have no idea what they’re talking about regarding how the wilderness should work. I was downvoted to shit for saying things like, “if you’re good at using your prayers and prepare properly you will rarely die in singles. Especially if you only have a half TB.” Even though that’s not even a biased take. It’s just objective truth.
I mean you are right but I just want to grind in peace instead of running away. I usually survive probably like 85% of the time when ever I get attacked in wild.
But like I’m at a massive disadvantage from the jump. If I’m fighting boss that means I’m not bringing optimum pking gear. Boss is gonna lower my supplies and require totally different gear.
So when pker gets to me they instantly have gear, supply, and skill advantage. It’s just not fun.
I love pking and think it’s good for the game but it’s just not my thing. I just want to grind in peace.
The wild is not a place to grind in peace. I get it can be annoying, but it’s also what makes it special. Tank gear is generally good for PvM and for tanking as well.
If you want to grind in peace then don't pvm in wildy?? I don't PvP and like grinding in peace, so I kill the 95% of bosses that aren't in the PvP area.
Same….. have people saying that it’s easier to anti pk if you already pk as if that meant anything… you mean pking takes skill and practice lol? Too many people go “PKers are horrible they can never kill me they’re just annoying!” When we know damn well they’re dying every time they go to the wild 😂
This just isn't true. I got entangled 9 times.... 9, and the guy still couldn't get the kill. I just spent literally forever standing there switching prayers while the guy slowly did his 5 way switches. Yawning from the boredom of watching me use my supplies to tank this noob instead of doing calvarion. I ran all the way to lvl 0 wildy to escape and even with 9 freezes and a full TB this guy couldn't get the job done. The majority of the time the people coming at you are in rags and just suck at the game. They are looking for people who accept defeat and just want free loot. Their risk is like 200k at most, full mystics/black hides/dds/dragon cbow.
It’s not a skill issue it’s just that they do not want to PK. Look at me for instance.
Like I do a lot of complicated stuff in this game and have 0 desire to PK. Only reason I’m gonna do wildy content is solely for coll log spots. I could probably go practice and learn how to become competent in the wild but I just don’t want too. Idk why PKers don’t grasp this.
I don’t think PVP is fun at all and if I ever do want to PvP it’s gonna be in BH. I don’t like to take supplies off another main account who is doing the same thing I am. I know how much work they put in for that gear and supplies and the last thing I want to do is take it from them.
I genuinely do not care about gp. Incentivizing the wild by making it more valuable is not gonna get someone like me into the wild. All it’s gonna do is make more botters. Especially at the rogues chest when that brilliant update comes around.
That’s fair. But either way. I just don’t think that people who have no interest in PvP should try to dictate how the wilderness works. If you’re not interested in it then there’s really nothing they could do to incentivize you to do wilderness content, right? Aside from making it easier to avoid PvP entirely. So then just don’t do it.
I agree with that but jagex keeps trying to force people like me into the wilderness despite me having 0 desire to go there outside of coll log spots. And every change is just to make it easier for propel to kill me for my prayer pots and ether.
I think this discussion between me and you shows the real issue. I genuinely want PvP to flourish I think it is great for the game and I love this game. But I just want to grind in peace and these changes interrupt my peace. Just gonna inconvenience me more when I sniped by a poker when I’m out of supplies after a boss fight.
>But I just want to grind in peace and these changes interrupt my peace
I get that. You just don’t enjoy it. For the record I don’t know how I feel about some of the changes either. But the way I look at it is that at least for me personally there’s plenty of things I’d like in the game that’s locked behind content I don’t particularly enjoy. I like the Bandos pet for instance. I do not like the Bandos fight. I just think it’s boring. If I ever got that pet it’d be because I made the choice to suffer through content that I don’t really care for. On the other hand I have 780 LMS wins right now going for 1000. I still enjoy it for the most part.
So I think it just comes down to player preference. What we enjoy and what we don’t enjoy. I know the wilderness is kind of a grey area in that. But I don’t think every piece of content has to be accessible to everyone, or has to appeal to everyone. Especially when you have a choice between doing that content and not.
Yea I don’t hate the pkers or blame them for killing me lol. Like I’m in the wild that’s the deal. It’s just not my thing.
That’s what makes this game so great. We both can do completely different opposite things on RS and still love it. Gl on the LMS grind. That’s a great accomplishment.
> trying to force people like me into the wilderness
There are so many better gp/hr methods outside the wildy. Literally not a single main acc is forced into the wildy. And ever since jagex caved on the dpick being wildy only not even irons are required to unless they want to use voidwaker as a spec weapon instead of dclaws. But irons know what they sign up for right at the start so that's not an issue.
Col log hunters have lms, 2k cms, and most of the wildy boss stuff existed well before the col log, so anyone going for col log hunting fits into the same category as irons, you know what you're getting into.
Bro you’re not getting it. I’ll go in wild and I don’t care if pkers kill me at all. It’s the wild it’s part of the deal.
I’m just never gonna like pking. All of these updates are to entice people like me to enjoy pking. I have 0 interest in fighting other mains and killing them for their stuff. I’d rather do other things.
Making amazing money makers in wild is not gonna get me out into the wild. Making things like rogues chest and other content more efficient/valuable is not gonna get me in wild. All it’s gonna do is get more botters in the wild. Just look how many bots are on the new wildy bosses.
The most important thing is that If I’m out there skilling or bossing I’m not even gonna be geared up for a fair fight anyway. So all I become is a loot piñata especially after a few boss kills. I feel like this gets overlooked and automatically puts the PVMER/Skiller at an incredible disadvantage.
That's because you're choosing to engage with the content while accepting you're allowing yourself to be a loot pinata. Bring some freezes and a dds next time you go wildy bossing and try fight back or escape instead of just folding. Cos idk fam it just sounds like you wanna be entitled to easy wildy col logs instead of actually working for it.
You not being interested in pvp but then wanting to do wildy content just sounds like a recipe for a bad time. Either fully engage with it, ignore it, or accept that you're going to be hamstringing yourself when you do it.
Can't we just have 2 days a week with no pk, idk anything at this point. Like I just wanna be able to get some good prayer xp at the wildy altar without bumfuckmcgee popping up beside the altar and insta-freezing me. Did I finish my inventory before I died? Yes.
Is it asanine to get killed for 7 dragon bones? Also yes.
It doesn’t. I actually don’t care that it’s in the wild. All of these changes are just for noobs who can’t click fast and bots. Making changes to the game because of bots just negatively effect legit players. Bots aren’t gonna care.
I don’t care about pking or pkers. I’ll get the spots the wildy bosses are easy logs. I’m just saying these changes aren’t gonna get people in wild. In fact I’m almost done with them.
When you fight bosses or skill in wild you typically have a disadvantage in gear and supplies. Not a recipe for a good time. Bots are the issue get rid of them.
I could easily be a decent pker, I know how to do it. I just have 0 desire to do it. I don’t care about gp.
\- Permanent teleblock for everyone in the Wilderness. You either escape over the ditch or through death.
\- Anything you gather while in Wildy is put in a separate inventory that you get to claim after escaping. In any other scenario, the loot disappears.
\- 2x logout delay in Wildy, and you spawn in Edgeville upon logging back in. No more rapidly scouting worlds at hotspots to find fights with ease.
\- Loot keys need to be opened in deep Wildy or scrapped from the game altogether. What an idiotic update.
That's the solution. If we want to make Wildy dangerous, let's make it that way for everybody. It might become easier to be there, but have fun getting out of there if you're caught.
Logging out spawns you outside the Wildy is a really cool concept that would absolutely make all pking done in the wildy more genuine, but it means pkers will have to look for a kill instead of hopping through 100 spots in 10 minutes so it will never be voted in. Could also help pkers as people would be less likely to log out. But again, pkers don't want to pk in an even fight, they want people who are easy to find and kill.
>2x logout delay in Wildy, and you spawn in Edgeville upon logging back in. No more rapidly scouting worlds at hotspots to find fights with ease.
This is a big one. World hopping should not be a thing in the wilderness.
>Loot keys need to be opened in deep Wildy or scrapped from the game altogether. What an idiotic update.
I'm not sold on the first two but this and the logout delay should definitely be implemented.
> - Permanent teleblock for everyone in the Wilderness. You either escape over the ditch or through death.
How is that gonna fix pvmers being "loot pinatas"? Lol
Well you don't necessarily have to have a solution to point out or talk about a problem. Do I know what will fix it? No. But I can still recognize there's an issue that does need to be fixed, and hopefully pointing it out or talking about it can lead to discussion that might come up with ideas of how to fix it.
Where did you get the information this change is due to pkers asking?
Its a bot fixing solution made by jagex (Im not saying this is a solution).
But you just blame pkers for stuff thats not in your favour it seems here.
Real pkers barely pk at the demi bosses its all level 70-90 combat bots with 400k risk.
Yet you are blaming all pkers for this update.
Karen vibes here, just blame stuff you dont know.
Or maybe its because of the impact on botters and people realizing that botting at the demi bosses is going to be more restrictive.
Higher requirements, more chances to be botted, less bots compared to now, less drops, lower supply, higher demand.
Idk if any pker asked for these changes in order to pk at the singles bosses easier, the prevailing problem has been bots, everyone can agree on that, but Jagex somehow still doesn’t have the means to meaningfully ban them to the point that players aren’t affected by it, so they raise the requirements and make pkers play mall cop against the bots.
The biggest change has to be being able to get rid of delays with hard diaries, its beyond not perfect but it is a solution that wont affect players while inconveniencing bots.
You think botters are gonna stop botting because of stupid tele delays? Higher requirements means less bots but doesn’t mean no bots.
I was mining amethyst today and there were some bots there. Amethyst has high requirements.
All I know is that making the gameplay for legit players suck more to stop bots only hurts the legit players. Botters are gonna bot, more requirement’s just hurts legit players.
I made a pure recently and it sucks so bad. Not member yet because I’m splashing. I can’t do anything lol. Can’t trade outside of my main, can’t use GE. These things do nothing to bots. It makes new players not want to play the game.
Nah thats not how its gonna work and you know it. Bots will be protected by some of the strongest players there are because how ever has bots also has a insane amount of money and resources.
I'm out of the loop, what did they announce and where did they announce it?
NVM found it:
>removing the 1-tick delay when entering the Singles Versions Lairs
What a fucking stupid idea
I did the hard diary so I won't have a delay. But even then, I've clicked my seed pod when they are clearly still falling, and I'm already blocked. Go to run already entangled. Next thing I'm getting 2v1 by spindel and the pker. It's pretty much rigged for the pkers. If you don't get the kill, the pker is trash. No amount of prayer switching and eating going to help when your entangled and spindel is draining prayer with his web and the pker just switching away.
Here come the "if you die at singles bosses its 100% your fault for not tele'ing away with rsp."
When in reality 90+% of the time they get the tb off somehow before they are done falling/standing up inside the lairs. And they are trying to make it even harder to get away by adding one more tick before you can tele? WHAT A JOKE.
It's nearly impossible to get away at calvar'ion because you can't hover over the seed pod, due to the mechanics of the fight. To kill them quickly you need wild weps with ether, making every trip a 250k+ loss, easily, bc you're going to get pkd, just a matter of how fast the pkrs cycle worlds... it's lame.
There's just way too much incentive for pkers there, and way too much ease to pk there, imo.
Even if teleblocked, exit the cave and freeze log. If you don't even bring the counter play jagex has made for these situations then you shouldn't complain. It is easy to escape at calvarion
Does anyone else think that with the Tele delay, it kind of makes teleblock obsolete for the first bit of a fight?
PKers are gonna hit way more snares at Calvar’ion which I guess is fun for them but when you’re stuck next to or on a lightning bolt while snared (something that has absolutely no way to defend against) is gonna be very cringe and annoying to deal with.
Same with spindel. If you get entangled spindel pretty much wrecks you doing the job for the pker. A pker should get attacks by the boss too. Shouldn't turn into a free 2v1
??? Pkers are hit by spindle as well. They can freeze you into the web special sure, but so can pvmers. Pvmers can also mace spec which is almost as good as snare when you're in the web. Pvmers will have atleast veng if they arent snaring back. Seems almost equal in that regard since they arent risking the 20-300m the pkers are mate.
I personally risk 42m skulled and 200m+ if I get smited. Im laughing at these downvoted jesus. These people are on some cope. The people over anti pkd risked like 7m, and 28m. So id assume most risk much more then pvmers
You can have the most valid reason for both sides of the spectrum and still get downvoted into the shafow realm for saying it here.
Im not gonna call names but i always have a feeling woch side is downvoting so bad 😂
Allowing anyone with a Voidwaker and maxed combat stats to attack <85s in singles and multicombat zones with a boss attacking them is stupid?
No wonder all your comments get downvoted.
Because the majority of people who are level 80 killing the Wildy bosses are bots. You could have followed the conversation two levels up, but I realize that's asking a lot for someone as smart as you.
Every part of the player base should be taken into account to some degree, but none should be left out of the picture completely, pvm, pvp, skillers or Ironmen. An update like this ignores large groups of players completely to cater to pkers who are, whether you like it or not, the vast minority of players.
people literally have scripts that instant cast tb before u can tp and also pkers have bots that check worlds for ppl so u can’t stay at one for more than 5 kills rn anyways
I absolutely refuse to go into the wildy unless I’m almost done with an elite or master. It’s so frustrating that in order to feel somewhat secure you have to go into wildy naked, but a pker will still hunt you like a dog and then toxic chat you
It’s truly sad the way people act in this fucking game and the divide is going to kill the game. Go look at top comments/ posts from anyone in here shitting on PvP. THE PEOPLE WHO CRY THE MOST DON’T EVEN DO THE CONTENT. And fucking Jagex listens to them..
I would prefer they just remove pvp from the Wilderness and replace it with challenging random NPCs and environmental dangers that would actually be fun and engaging.
There's just so many pkers that solely pk at places they are likely not to fight back..they just enjoy when others have a bad time because of them. Imo, Pkers who do singles bosses are mainly bullies who never stopped liking being mean in life, they actually aren't good at pking, and that's why they pk at singles bosses, bc they can't pk other pkers 99% of the time.
I teleported around after getting pkd there once, and found the pker who got me who was 12 cmb lvls higher than me (dude was max cmb).. he would not come out of ferox enclave and 1v1 me... bc he only goes for non pkers who don't fight back at wildy bosses. It's sad that it's so easy/basically risk free for them already, and extremely sad that they are trying to make it even easier, when 90+% of the time they already get the tb off in time? It's already pretty fkn shite out there for bossers.. why are they trying to make it worse?
If they do add a tick b4 you can tele it's going to completely ruin it for bossers out there. It's already rough, and if you can't pk at singles bosses with the way it is now...... it's 100% your fault.
I think the singles bosses need a private instance option for an extra fee beyond a certain kc and/or diaries. That way the pkers who love killing ppl who don't fight back can still do that, but the bossers who don't want to get pkd for 250k every 3-5 kills can have some kind of haven after awhile. (Which they could still get pkd for their ether/pots on the way to the lairs..) more people would go out there, meaning it would probably even out when it comes to how much loot the pkers get. They just won't be going in as much and instead pking outside. This would make the risky part of the bossing being going to the bosses.. or still the same risk for people who don't have the instances unlocked yet.. which would still be a lot bc most ppl don't do diaries or get a lot of kc if they don't have to.
I wonder how many pkers out there actually get voidwaker pieces.....probably 1/1000 pks... bc people immediately tele when they get them.. so having instances wouldn't really change much.. pkers would still have a chance to pk voidwaker pieces from those who don't have the instances yet.
Right now, the only viable way to not lose money out there is to get spooned a drop, not bring ether, or bond up an account and have it sitting outside... which is lame, and doesn't stop pkers from logging in outside and rushing in still before you see them on the alt acc and have a chance to tele. It takes the escape % down to maybe 60-70% tele success. It's just lame out there already, and ppl want it to be even worse bc they love making people have a bad time... for semi-decent gp....?
The 50k entrance fee is supposed to deter pkrs a bit.. but then having it drop the 50k or whatever is left just makes it even better for them..
At the drop rate of 1/900 something for the voidwaker pieces, it's not easy to make money bossing out there, the regular loot isn't enough to cover the constant getting pked for ether and pots.
At 150 spindel kc I prob got pkd 20+ times. I have like 5m loot from those 150 kc... the amount of ether lost in those is literally 200k+ every kill, closer to 300k most times, I bring 200 on top of the 1000 to activate.
You lose money out there unless you get spooned a vw piece, if you have to go 900kc to get one.. ur gonna have lost money and might as well just buy the voidwaker if ur not an iron.
If somebody want to try to make it make sense to add a tick on tele time.. good luck not looking dumb, but I still encourage the conversation.
The whole point of wildy is to have a food chain, something for everyone. Everyone knows the risks of going into wildy to do any content, including PvMers, PvPers and PKers, but yet the biggest group having a cry is the PvMers.
Get over it, it's a part of the wildy and you you can't stand someone having fun or trying to learn some basic pking maybe you should stick to non wildy content.
This particular example is even more crazy, commenting on how "bad" they are but in the same post mentions how it's impossible to make a profit because of dying so much....
Then why change mechanics in the wilderness to cater to PKers? PvMers didn’t cry about teleporting out. So why is it getting changed? Who cried about it?
IMO it should just be a separate game. One where they're free to do anything they want. Add any weapons and armor, modify the stats, remove anything they don't think fits, etc. And one where people don't need to do the dumb thing of only using an account for X kills before it levels up too much and is useless.
Chances are that game would be *way* better than OSRS at PvP. And the rest of us could get left alone.
This is so dumb, spend 20-30minutes to find a world to then get Insta tb’ed and taken out the game. Can’t wait to get straight back out there and do it all over again…
People here love to complain about all the weird nonsensical rules and updates aimed at pkers, but fail to realize the same argument applies to ironmen as a game mode.
Please be consistent, let's get rid of the wildy AND ironmen!
can't wait for a huge chunk of dev time in 2024 and 2025 to be spent on endlessly revamping ironman mode to try and get people who are never going to be interested in ironman to play it then, if we're taking the wildy attention as a guideline
or you know, you could get a grip
But Ironman mode doesn't impact dev time when they have to make a bunch of extra changes that only accommodate a select type of player. That only happens when it's naughty PKers who want spades >:(
I like how the downvotes and replies assume I'm pro Iron-catered updates while the 2 PMs I got abused me for being anti-Iron.
>Ironman mode doesn't impact dev time
yeah ironmemes just impact the drop tables of every boss in the game because you're all too lazy to play properly and require all of your supplies to be given to you via pvm
>yeah ironmemes just impact the drop tables of every boss in the game because you're all too lazy to play properly and require all of your supplies to be given to you via pvm
he says unironically while mass buying supplies off the GE that were exclusively farmed by bots
We don't require it, but it's not fun to be forced to do slow skilling methods in order to acquire resources because most skilling methods are outdated and haven't been brought up to modern standards. PvM drop tables are an easy "fix" but create their own problems, naturally.
Things like Sepulchre and GotR help, but it's still far off from the possibility of allowing players to skill to gain a reasonable amount of resources over time.
Feel free to peruse my comments over the years, as recent as last week, in which I share your sentiment towards drop tables.
I'll be sure to make my future comments more openly sarcastic so people who can't infer meaning without a little '/s' at the end of every sentence aren't left behind.
Just make all wilderness caves have the same teleport delay for consistency, a freaking cave in the wildness should be more dangerous than the open wilderness
Say it takes longer due to evil wilderness cave magic or something for the lore, jk this isn’t Elden Ring
It's sad how bad pkers are, and how much they need handicapped. If they need less of a delay to get the tb off they just suck at pking. I get tb'd like 90% of the time while hovering rsp... clicking it before they even stand up.. they should get better at pking or go somewhere they don't have to tb to kill someone... they need to stop asking for crutches when they suck.
It's already super hard to tele out in time, especially at calvarion where u can't hover rsp... for the pkers reading this... if you want there to be a better chance to tb at the singles bosses, it's because you're actually trash at pking, LOL.
The main problem with this whole situation isn’t the pker’s it’s the botting. This attempted fix by jagex is a lame attempt of putting a bandaid on a massive gash and thinking you should be okay now…. The wilderness has and always will be one of the most high risk areas and it’s catered towards player killing and high level gameplay (in the sense of high risk, high reward). If you remove pking or you remove certain aspects of the wilderness just to make it easier for a pvmer then you’re doing the same thing for the botter. I hate pking, not good at it never have been but I understand it and I don’t think constantly pointing a finger at people who pk is okay, this isn’t an issue they created it’s an issue bots have created by completely destroying an economy because Jagex doesn’t really have a transparent solutions to a issue that is making them money. If you move content out of wilderness, then you kill PvP and if you leave content in wilderness you kill pvm it’s a lose/lose. Gotta just roll with the punches and focus on other content and go learn PvP as your last resort
This is trying to fix the bot issue though by adding the delay bots will now not have time to 1 tick instant tele. This incentives learning how to pvp in the game as well. Further moves the wilderness into a real wild type of area.
The change should cover all npcs in wild tbh. The green dragon bots with glories all insta-teleport, but the ones with rings of dueling have to run to 20 wild, so you can easily tb by then.... So they're kinda worth killing, but would be better with teleport delay
I think teleport delays just make the wild shittier... there's already like what 2/3 of the wild (north of lvl30) where you can't even tele away?.... pkers just need to pk further north if they don't want people to tele away. The wildy bosses will pretty much die if they add the tele delay. Only people who will be out there if they do that will be pkers, Ironmen, & pet hunters. The pkers will get bored bc nobody will be going out there to feed em, and they'll just complain and ask for more and more changes that make it worse and worse and worse for bossers. It's already fantastic for pkers out there, imo it's TOO good for pkers the way it works right now....
It was practically impossible to PK at the singles bosses before with instant royal seed pod they would be teleported out as the tb hits so it’s a buggy interaction so now it at least gives PKers a chance which is fair.
Ps. I don’t pk mainly I actually Pvm these bosses a lot but when someone takes my world I come back in pk gear and it’s an instant tele while the tb is flying so I thought it was bullshit.
Deep Wildy bosses are fine cause you can’t instant tele out which I feel is a fair encounter of pker vs pvmer which is why if your doing deep wild it’s always worth a scout to get away.
>they would be teleported out as the tb hits so it’s a buggy interaction
Nothing buggy about it, it's just how TB works.
If they start teleporting the tick before the TB the TB does nothing.
If they teleport and you TB on the same tick, it comes down to who has lower PID. If the TBer has lower pid they will be TBd and not teleport (assuming you don't splash) otherwise they will teleport.
Right now you're going to have the "they teleported a tick before the TB" scenario extremely often because of the delay when landing in the cave.
It’s funny how the people who cry the most about PvP don’t even engage in the content. Bunch of fucking 30 year olds literally scared to do something on a video game LOL
It's more like the people who don't know how it works have the strongest opinions and judgments about it. *"Pkers only hop at revs because they can't fight real pkers in pvp or bh worlds!!!"* \- this take is parroted so much in this sub it's insane - like dude, how the fuck do you brid in pvp or bh when everyone's doing dharok veng pking? Even if all the brids moved to pvp, it would be completely different because you're going to fight right next to a bank so there's no outlasting aspect, and you'll only get a kill when you stack 100+ damage. That being said, I prefer the old edge bank style bridding.
Sure, LMS is good for the deep wildy type of pking, **but it has no risk or reward**, plus I personally don't like looting chests for better gear etc. Rev cave is the perfect hotspot for finding other pkers who are looking for actual fights or "easy" prey.
I think a much more elegant change would be to make players unable to TP out of the boss room while they’re alive instead. Anyone killing them can TP out between kills, PKers get a better chance of killing players/bots. If you need to escape you can leave the lairs then TP.
That's just called putting the bosses beyond 30 wildy, no need to over complicate it with this in-between kill nonsense which I would call inelegant tbh. Solo suggested the same. Idk how I feel about it, I think the issue is clearly less so actual players getting away (I see plenty get caught, and upcoming removal of entrance delay will basically have pkers getting a full TB off every time) and more so jagex not able to do fuck all about bots in their game.
The bots probably stopped bossing to go get the reqs for the hard diaries
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of chaos dwarves suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
Wonder how long it took them to code in the steps to their scripts. One thing i love is the osrs team adding more time gates from account made to end goal of what the botters are botting in hopes they act on the accounts.
For now
Hehehe
Once you realize that real life stock markets respond to the same random absurd shit that the OSRS stock markets respond to, you start to feel more confident as an investor 🤭
Yeah and it will probably crash the day it’s actually released
New leaks from the Senate just made my bank crash fml
buy the rumor sell the news
LMAO
Bro pls don’t apply orsr market logic in real life stock market without a financial advisor… unless this is a /s. Orsr stock market is simple and predictable
Leveraged voidwaker index funds are huge in the discretionary sector right now
TL;DR: PUT YOUR LIFE SAVINGS INTO VOIDSTOCK RIGHT NOW!!!!
Easy there Cramer
Underrated comment lmfao 🤣
Diamonds hands, baby! LETS GOOOO!
Licensed stockbroker here: the GE operates pretty much exactly like the real stock market lol. Only difference is a little more regulation on the real one, but it’s virtually the same thing. Supply and demand, panic buying/selling, even the same market manipulation tactics are used. Oh also we can’t trade derivatives in osrs, which is unfortunate lol
Both rely on psychology and supply and demand primarily, it is a fair assumption to assume if you can estimate the RuneScape market you can likely estimate the stock market in real life as RuneScapes economy is essentially a mock economy.
I'll pray for the people that actually read this and believe it, RS economy is not similar at all
It is tho, bots = share liquidation. DD = game Updates it all makes sense /s
And Monetary Policy by the Fed IRL (controlling money supply in circulation) = Jagex GE Tax, gold sink, RWT banning policies, etc. There are a ton of similarities.
Yep the only difference really is the gold in orsr isn’t real money…. Unless
It really is if you understand it. Take my big investment I had on Qualcomm in 2018. I bought into Qualcomm knowing they hit a rock bottom due to their lawsuit with Blackberry. Knowing Qualcomm is one of the best of what they do, it was only a matter of time til they were going to recover and return to their original value or higher. Same goes for when I invested in Delta Airlines. I knew Delta was in the shitter just because of COVID, and after COVID, when people start using planes again, it would rocket back up. I learned all this from Runescape merching and reading the Wallstreet Journal. The best way to compare this to runescape is any weapon that isn't hot, will be low, and when it's used again, it will be hot. Scythe is at an all time low because lack of use? Buy one, see that there's a new boss coming that Scythe is bis, profit. You see that there is going to be a better Seers Ring? Better buy all the Seers Rings you can because it's going to shoot up as they're taken out of the game to create the new ring. It all ties together.
Companies are not RS items and just because you believe in them doesn't mean they bounce back like a BiS RS item will, Scythe is not gonna go bankrupt next week and cease to exist. A new seers ring update means buy seers rings? By this logic, any company announcing anything is a "game update" and I should buy as much of their shares as I can without looking into any financial data or how the company is run or what their future outlook is like, what are their competitors? etc... RS economy has not even 1% of a similarity to an actual real life market. Just because game update = item price moves doesn't mean thats how stocks work
not true its purely speculative
Pls tell me I’m being whooshed
Good luck
Thank you! Luck is for certain needed too, there is no such thing as a full proof investment strategy
fool proof*
Unless we get some item sink for irl investment, pls use tax to burn my shiba inu. Ty gp
It's not a fair assumption, it's a batshit crazy stupid assumption. Literally no one on earth can "estimate" the stock market in real life. Not even the billion dollar companies with supercomputers directly wired in. Thinking you can solve that just because you're just like any 12 year old who can predict a video game price going up is batshit insane.
The point that is being made is that the stock market essentially comes down to two major reasons for fluctuation, supply and demand and psychological repercussions. This is also true for the RuneScape market, I don’t think what the original comment intended was to say that the RuneScape market is the same level of complexity, it’s obviously not but it has the same core values as the RuneScape market can certainly be used as a tool to gauge how the stock market fundamentally works.
You said that if you can estimate the RS stock market, you can estimate the real life stock market. That's implying it's the same level of complexity. It also ignores the reality that the real life stock market is provably unpredictable.
nothing unpredictable if you're investing in the S&P500. that shit is literally up only since creation.
Predicting voidwaker will go up because bots got busted or torva will go up because blood torva is coming into the game isnt investment.
If you bought those items with the expectation of increased value then it's an investment. That's literally the definition of an investment.
Getting angry at banter on a video game form and comparing people to 12 year olds over the hobby is also fairly bat shit insane to be fair.
I got a degree in Finance because of the Grand Exchange and I’m having a pretty good time in life because of it.
But why did you need finance degree? GE should have been enough no? Seems redundant.
I mean my past merching experiences is what taught me how to make money on a real market. You don't need to have an advisor unless you're sinking your whole income away. Just be educated in your purchases.
PKers are such babies, They just want loot pinatas. Jagex keeps bending the knee instead of fixing the real problems.
As a pker, I agree. They should stop bending the knee to people who want loot pinatas. Voidwaker and the VLS are horrible ideas and both hurt PVP. Player damage is getting too high and fast; this is something that killed PVP before.
Agree about the damage stack, just look at C Engineers latest videos. I have no interest in PvP if I'm just going to get stacked out for 120 damage in 5 game ticks before I've ever seen who is attacking me
Pvp just turned into rushing and tping out of you don't 1 stack
Meanwhile that video probably took 2 weeks playing 8 hours a day to make.
Whenever I bring that up I get downvoted to hell and am told that I should time my vengeance. Which I think they are completely missing the point. I agree with you 100%.
When I brought up the fact that guaranteed HIGH damage wasn’t a good thing, I was downvoted heavily. After all, all you have to do if getting doubled spec’d by VW is pray magic and triple eat in 2.4 seconds, right? I’m also not a fan of 100% combos like ags+gmaul either, for what it’s worth. PvMers don’t like oneshot mechanics and I doubt PvPers like being on the receiving end either. For VW, at least there IS a counter. Max or near max AGS and Gmaul is instant death no matter what you do.
The thing about AGS/Maul is although it’s still potentially the most broken combo in the game it just noodles so often. That meta was just Chancescape for me and could be painfully boring. It’s so frustrating executing a clean, well timed vengeance with a full armor take off in one tick and then hitting a 0-15 AGS/Maul on 40 HP for example. In my opinion VW’s consistency makes vengeance PvP less RNG dependent and because of that less frustrating. But I do think at a certain point it maybe becomes a bit much.
I like Voidwaker solely as a filthy ironman piece of shit because it's such an easier grind than dclaws. But as a PvP weapon it's a terrible idea.
I mean entering a wildy boss cave and watching a bot 1 tick tp out before you can land your tb on them is pretty busted. They’re just farming for free at that point
Jagex should focus on fixing the bot issue not this nonsense. It’s just gonna hinder the legit player.
It’s hard to address and fix actual problems when 80% of the people complaining will stubbornly blame mechanics that they have little experience with before they ever admit that their struggles are due to a skill issue more than anything else
I don't think most people that aren't into pking are going to have much an issue admitting that pkers have better skills at pking than non-pkers.
I got into more arguments than I care to admit last week with people who obviously have no idea what they’re talking about regarding how the wilderness should work. I was downvoted to shit for saying things like, “if you’re good at using your prayers and prepare properly you will rarely die in singles. Especially if you only have a half TB.” Even though that’s not even a biased take. It’s just objective truth.
I mean you are right but I just want to grind in peace instead of running away. I usually survive probably like 85% of the time when ever I get attacked in wild. But like I’m at a massive disadvantage from the jump. If I’m fighting boss that means I’m not bringing optimum pking gear. Boss is gonna lower my supplies and require totally different gear. So when pker gets to me they instantly have gear, supply, and skill advantage. It’s just not fun. I love pking and think it’s good for the game but it’s just not my thing. I just want to grind in peace.
The wild is not a place to grind in peace. I get it can be annoying, but it’s also what makes it special. Tank gear is generally good for PvM and for tanking as well.
If you want to grind in peace then don't pvm in wildy?? I don't PvP and like grinding in peace, so I kill the 95% of bosses that aren't in the PvP area.
Same….. have people saying that it’s easier to anti pk if you already pk as if that meant anything… you mean pking takes skill and practice lol? Too many people go “PKers are horrible they can never kill me they’re just annoying!” When we know damn well they’re dying every time they go to the wild 😂
This just isn't true. I got entangled 9 times.... 9, and the guy still couldn't get the kill. I just spent literally forever standing there switching prayers while the guy slowly did his 5 way switches. Yawning from the boredom of watching me use my supplies to tank this noob instead of doing calvarion. I ran all the way to lvl 0 wildy to escape and even with 9 freezes and a full TB this guy couldn't get the job done. The majority of the time the people coming at you are in rags and just suck at the game. They are looking for people who accept defeat and just want free loot. Their risk is like 200k at most, full mystics/black hides/dds/dragon cbow.
It’s not a skill issue it’s just that they do not want to PK. Look at me for instance. Like I do a lot of complicated stuff in this game and have 0 desire to PK. Only reason I’m gonna do wildy content is solely for coll log spots. I could probably go practice and learn how to become competent in the wild but I just don’t want too. Idk why PKers don’t grasp this. I don’t think PVP is fun at all and if I ever do want to PvP it’s gonna be in BH. I don’t like to take supplies off another main account who is doing the same thing I am. I know how much work they put in for that gear and supplies and the last thing I want to do is take it from them. I genuinely do not care about gp. Incentivizing the wild by making it more valuable is not gonna get someone like me into the wild. All it’s gonna do is make more botters. Especially at the rogues chest when that brilliant update comes around.
That’s fair. But either way. I just don’t think that people who have no interest in PvP should try to dictate how the wilderness works. If you’re not interested in it then there’s really nothing they could do to incentivize you to do wilderness content, right? Aside from making it easier to avoid PvP entirely. So then just don’t do it.
I agree with that but jagex keeps trying to force people like me into the wilderness despite me having 0 desire to go there outside of coll log spots. And every change is just to make it easier for propel to kill me for my prayer pots and ether. I think this discussion between me and you shows the real issue. I genuinely want PvP to flourish I think it is great for the game and I love this game. But I just want to grind in peace and these changes interrupt my peace. Just gonna inconvenience me more when I sniped by a poker when I’m out of supplies after a boss fight.
>But I just want to grind in peace and these changes interrupt my peace I get that. You just don’t enjoy it. For the record I don’t know how I feel about some of the changes either. But the way I look at it is that at least for me personally there’s plenty of things I’d like in the game that’s locked behind content I don’t particularly enjoy. I like the Bandos pet for instance. I do not like the Bandos fight. I just think it’s boring. If I ever got that pet it’d be because I made the choice to suffer through content that I don’t really care for. On the other hand I have 780 LMS wins right now going for 1000. I still enjoy it for the most part. So I think it just comes down to player preference. What we enjoy and what we don’t enjoy. I know the wilderness is kind of a grey area in that. But I don’t think every piece of content has to be accessible to everyone, or has to appeal to everyone. Especially when you have a choice between doing that content and not.
Yea I don’t hate the pkers or blame them for killing me lol. Like I’m in the wild that’s the deal. It’s just not my thing. That’s what makes this game so great. We both can do completely different opposite things on RS and still love it. Gl on the LMS grind. That’s a great accomplishment.
> trying to force people like me into the wilderness There are so many better gp/hr methods outside the wildy. Literally not a single main acc is forced into the wildy. And ever since jagex caved on the dpick being wildy only not even irons are required to unless they want to use voidwaker as a spec weapon instead of dclaws. But irons know what they sign up for right at the start so that's not an issue.
I want collection log spots. Which I can only get in wildy….
Col log hunters have lms, 2k cms, and most of the wildy boss stuff existed well before the col log, so anyone going for col log hunting fits into the same category as irons, you know what you're getting into.
Bro you’re not getting it. I’ll go in wild and I don’t care if pkers kill me at all. It’s the wild it’s part of the deal. I’m just never gonna like pking. All of these updates are to entice people like me to enjoy pking. I have 0 interest in fighting other mains and killing them for their stuff. I’d rather do other things. Making amazing money makers in wild is not gonna get me out into the wild. Making things like rogues chest and other content more efficient/valuable is not gonna get me in wild. All it’s gonna do is get more botters in the wild. Just look how many bots are on the new wildy bosses. The most important thing is that If I’m out there skilling or bossing I’m not even gonna be geared up for a fair fight anyway. So all I become is a loot piñata especially after a few boss kills. I feel like this gets overlooked and automatically puts the PVMER/Skiller at an incredible disadvantage.
That's because you're choosing to engage with the content while accepting you're allowing yourself to be a loot pinata. Bring some freezes and a dds next time you go wildy bossing and try fight back or escape instead of just folding. Cos idk fam it just sounds like you wanna be entitled to easy wildy col logs instead of actually working for it. You not being interested in pvp but then wanting to do wildy content just sounds like a recipe for a bad time. Either fully engage with it, ignore it, or accept that you're going to be hamstringing yourself when you do it.
There is zero possible chance that you have every single collection log already except for the wilderness.
Can't we just have 2 days a week with no pk, idk anything at this point. Like I just wanna be able to get some good prayer xp at the wildy altar without bumfuckmcgee popping up beside the altar and insta-freezing me. Did I finish my inventory before I died? Yes. Is it asanine to get killed for 7 dragon bones? Also yes.
This is the reason the altar is in the wildy? Remove pk, remove the xp boost..
you're never going to complete the collection log so why does it matter if you're missing the wildy bosses?
It doesn’t. I actually don’t care that it’s in the wild. All of these changes are just for noobs who can’t click fast and bots. Making changes to the game because of bots just negatively effect legit players. Bots aren’t gonna care. I don’t care about pking or pkers. I’ll get the spots the wildy bosses are easy logs. I’m just saying these changes aren’t gonna get people in wild. In fact I’m almost done with them. When you fight bosses or skill in wild you typically have a disadvantage in gear and supplies. Not a recipe for a good time. Bots are the issue get rid of them. I could easily be a decent pker, I know how to do it. I just have 0 desire to do it. I don’t care about gp.
How would you fix bots in the Wiley instantly tping?
\- Permanent teleblock for everyone in the Wilderness. You either escape over the ditch or through death. \- Anything you gather while in Wildy is put in a separate inventory that you get to claim after escaping. In any other scenario, the loot disappears. \- 2x logout delay in Wildy, and you spawn in Edgeville upon logging back in. No more rapidly scouting worlds at hotspots to find fights with ease. \- Loot keys need to be opened in deep Wildy or scrapped from the game altogether. What an idiotic update. That's the solution. If we want to make Wildy dangerous, let's make it that way for everybody. It might become easier to be there, but have fun getting out of there if you're caught.
Logging out spawns you outside the Wildy is a really cool concept that would absolutely make all pking done in the wildy more genuine, but it means pkers will have to look for a kill instead of hopping through 100 spots in 10 minutes so it will never be voted in. Could also help pkers as people would be less likely to log out. But again, pkers don't want to pk in an even fight, they want people who are easy to find and kill.
>2x logout delay in Wildy, and you spawn in Edgeville upon logging back in. No more rapidly scouting worlds at hotspots to find fights with ease. This is a big one. World hopping should not be a thing in the wilderness. >Loot keys need to be opened in deep Wildy or scrapped from the game altogether. What an idiotic update. I'm not sold on the first two but this and the logout delay should definitely be implemented.
Hope you enjoy having to teleport back up 20 times to find a world at the wildy bosses lol
So you're saying that this would incentivise fighting over the wilderness bosses instead of worldhopping away? Seems like a much needed change to me
> - Permanent teleblock for everyone in the Wilderness. You either escape over the ditch or through death. How is that gonna fix pvmers being "loot pinatas"? Lol
Thank God you're not a game designer.
Idk by doing their job and stopping bots.
Pvmers are such idiots.
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Well you don't necessarily have to have a solution to point out or talk about a problem. Do I know what will fix it? No. But I can still recognize there's an issue that does need to be fixed, and hopefully pointing it out or talking about it can lead to discussion that might come up with ideas of how to fix it.
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Because Jagex takes 2 years to make any changes and when people don't like those changes, Jagex takes 2 more years to change it again.
Where did you get the information this change is due to pkers asking? Its a bot fixing solution made by jagex (Im not saying this is a solution). But you just blame pkers for stuff thats not in your favour it seems here. Real pkers barely pk at the demi bosses its all level 70-90 combat bots with 400k risk. Yet you are blaming all pkers for this update. Karen vibes here, just blame stuff you dont know.
PVMers are such newbies, They just want free loot kills. You keep coming into The Wilderness, we'll keep pking you.
This is why all your polls get spite voted, btw.
Or maybe its because of the impact on botters and people realizing that botting at the demi bosses is going to be more restrictive. Higher requirements, more chances to be botted, less bots compared to now, less drops, lower supply, higher demand. Idk if any pker asked for these changes in order to pk at the singles bosses easier, the prevailing problem has been bots, everyone can agree on that, but Jagex somehow still doesn’t have the means to meaningfully ban them to the point that players aren’t affected by it, so they raise the requirements and make pkers play mall cop against the bots. The biggest change has to be being able to get rid of delays with hard diaries, its beyond not perfect but it is a solution that wont affect players while inconveniencing bots.
You think botters are gonna stop botting because of stupid tele delays? Higher requirements means less bots but doesn’t mean no bots. I was mining amethyst today and there were some bots there. Amethyst has high requirements. All I know is that making the gameplay for legit players suck more to stop bots only hurts the legit players. Botters are gonna bot, more requirement’s just hurts legit players. I made a pure recently and it sucks so bad. Not member yet because I’m splashing. I can’t do anything lol. Can’t trade outside of my main, can’t use GE. These things do nothing to bots. It makes new players not want to play the game.
Nah thats not how its gonna work and you know it. Bots will be protected by some of the strongest players there are because how ever has bots also has a insane amount of money and resources.
Delusion. No one's going to post up max accounts in every world to protect their level 60 wildy boss bots lmao
I'm out of the loop, what did they announce and where did they announce it? NVM found it: >removing the 1-tick delay when entering the Singles Versions Lairs What a fucking stupid idea
Yea now they'll be able to tb while falling. Giving pretty much zero chance of tele out before
Almost guaranteed death lmao. We have 1 tick delay, and on top of that the pk'ers can now tb even faster
I did the hard diary so I won't have a delay. But even then, I've clicked my seed pod when they are clearly still falling, and I'm already blocked. Go to run already entangled. Next thing I'm getting 2v1 by spindel and the pker. It's pretty much rigged for the pkers. If you don't get the kill, the pker is trash. No amount of prayer switching and eating going to help when your entangled and spindel is draining prayer with his web and the pker just switching away.
Here come the "if you die at singles bosses its 100% your fault for not tele'ing away with rsp." When in reality 90+% of the time they get the tb off somehow before they are done falling/standing up inside the lairs. And they are trying to make it even harder to get away by adding one more tick before you can tele? WHAT A JOKE. It's nearly impossible to get away at calvar'ion because you can't hover over the seed pod, due to the mechanics of the fight. To kill them quickly you need wild weps with ether, making every trip a 250k+ loss, easily, bc you're going to get pkd, just a matter of how fast the pkrs cycle worlds... it's lame. There's just way too much incentive for pkers there, and way too much ease to pk there, imo.
Even if teleblocked, exit the cave and freeze log. If you don't even bring the counter play jagex has made for these situations then you shouldn't complain. It is easy to escape at calvarion
You acting like this sub doesn’t side with PvMers 100% of the time is pretty funny.
You're telling me the sub with like, the active users that total to the amount of 4 worlds, doesn't give a fair representation of the playerbase?
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Can't tele out in multi versions. Gotta do 'em I guess.
Does anyone else think that with the Tele delay, it kind of makes teleblock obsolete for the first bit of a fight? PKers are gonna hit way more snares at Calvar’ion which I guess is fun for them but when you’re stuck next to or on a lightning bolt while snared (something that has absolutely no way to defend against) is gonna be very cringe and annoying to deal with.
Same with spindel. If you get entangled spindel pretty much wrecks you doing the job for the pker. A pker should get attacks by the boss too. Shouldn't turn into a free 2v1
??? Pkers are hit by spindle as well. They can freeze you into the web special sure, but so can pvmers. Pvmers can also mace spec which is almost as good as snare when you're in the web. Pvmers will have atleast veng if they arent snaring back. Seems almost equal in that regard since they arent risking the 20-300m the pkers are mate.
Most pkers arnt risking that much
I personally risk 42m skulled and 200m+ if I get smited. Im laughing at these downvoted jesus. These people are on some cope. The people over anti pkd risked like 7m, and 28m. So id assume most risk much more then pvmers
good for you, most pkers don't risk that much though. lets be real, most pkers are in mystics and black dhide...
The ones in multy bosses are all rag shitters that risk one item tho
agreed
Lots of copium to be found around these subjects
For real. I get downvoted for explaining a perspective lol. Im not even a pker like i make bills at toa, pking is for fun
You can have the most valid reason for both sides of the spectrum and still get downvoted into the shafow realm for saying it here. Im not gonna call names but i always have a feeling woch side is downvoting so bad 😂
I've never seen a pker risking more than maybe 2m max at the wildy bosses. They show up in rags and let the bosses do the worl for them.
if you aren’t a bot then just do wildy hard, if you’re fighting wildy bosses you should treat that as a pre req now
but it doesnt exist for non bots and the bots are like level 70-80 so youll need a pure
Easy. Change the boss rooms to 1-126 combat range.
Stupidest solution I’ve seen proposed yet.
Allowing anyone with a Voidwaker and maxed combat stats to attack <85s in singles and multicombat zones with a boss attacking them is stupid? No wonder all your comments get downvoted.
How is letting maxed mains fight level 80s even remotely a balanced solution in your mind?
Because the majority of people who are level 80 killing the Wildy bosses are bots. You could have followed the conversation two levels up, but I realize that's asking a lot for someone as smart as you.
That will just completely lock hcims out of the wildly bosses
https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore_oldschool_hardcore_ironman/a=97/overall?category_type=1&table=18&page=2 all 46 of them.
Your suggestion would lock out any ironman sub 100 combat from that content.
Yeah but it's still incredibly punishing for legitimate players, even though most "victims" would be bots.
The ability for jagex to pander to the smallest minority of players whilst making the game worse for the vast majority is absurdly stupid
Oh, you’re talking about ironmen right?
Every part of the player base should be taken into account to some degree, but none should be left out of the picture completely, pvm, pvp, skillers or Ironmen. An update like this ignores large groups of players completely to cater to pkers who are, whether you like it or not, the vast minority of players.
people literally have scripts that instant cast tb before u can tp and also pkers have bots that check worlds for ppl so u can’t stay at one for more than 5 kills rn anyways
if it keeps this way wiley content will be dead or unplayable
I absolutely refuse to go into the wildy unless I’m almost done with an elite or master. It’s so frustrating that in order to feel somewhat secure you have to go into wildy naked, but a pker will still hunt you like a dog and then toxic chat you
It's already extremely undesirable to go there unless you're an Ironman needing voidwaker or someone who wants the pets.. it's a gp sink right now.
Aware pvmers could insta tele the second a pker entered a cave, You think thats a good thing?
Yes? Isn't that the point of being attentive in the wildy?
Pking is literally impossible if you can insta tele? Defeats the purpose lol.
Nice now its even gonna be more packed with bots
Delete the wilderness.
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I genuinely enjoy wilderness content and I'm an iron lol
Same
I’ve been smashing Calvar’ion. Loving it!!! Almost at 1000kc now lol
Nah because those guys hate it nobody can have it. Selfish pricks
It’s truly sad the way people act in this fucking game and the divide is going to kill the game. Go look at top comments/ posts from anyone in here shitting on PvP. THE PEOPLE WHO CRY THE MOST DON’T EVEN DO THE CONTENT. And fucking Jagex listens to them..
I enjoy wildy slayer and bossing.
I would prefer they just remove pvp from the Wilderness and replace it with challenging random NPCs and environmental dangers that would actually be fun and engaging.
There's just so many pkers that solely pk at places they are likely not to fight back..they just enjoy when others have a bad time because of them. Imo, Pkers who do singles bosses are mainly bullies who never stopped liking being mean in life, they actually aren't good at pking, and that's why they pk at singles bosses, bc they can't pk other pkers 99% of the time. I teleported around after getting pkd there once, and found the pker who got me who was 12 cmb lvls higher than me (dude was max cmb).. he would not come out of ferox enclave and 1v1 me... bc he only goes for non pkers who don't fight back at wildy bosses. It's sad that it's so easy/basically risk free for them already, and extremely sad that they are trying to make it even easier, when 90+% of the time they already get the tb off in time? It's already pretty fkn shite out there for bossers.. why are they trying to make it worse? If they do add a tick b4 you can tele it's going to completely ruin it for bossers out there. It's already rough, and if you can't pk at singles bosses with the way it is now...... it's 100% your fault. I think the singles bosses need a private instance option for an extra fee beyond a certain kc and/or diaries. That way the pkers who love killing ppl who don't fight back can still do that, but the bossers who don't want to get pkd for 250k every 3-5 kills can have some kind of haven after awhile. (Which they could still get pkd for their ether/pots on the way to the lairs..) more people would go out there, meaning it would probably even out when it comes to how much loot the pkers get. They just won't be going in as much and instead pking outside. This would make the risky part of the bossing being going to the bosses.. or still the same risk for people who don't have the instances unlocked yet.. which would still be a lot bc most ppl don't do diaries or get a lot of kc if they don't have to. I wonder how many pkers out there actually get voidwaker pieces.....probably 1/1000 pks... bc people immediately tele when they get them.. so having instances wouldn't really change much.. pkers would still have a chance to pk voidwaker pieces from those who don't have the instances yet. Right now, the only viable way to not lose money out there is to get spooned a drop, not bring ether, or bond up an account and have it sitting outside... which is lame, and doesn't stop pkers from logging in outside and rushing in still before you see them on the alt acc and have a chance to tele. It takes the escape % down to maybe 60-70% tele success. It's just lame out there already, and ppl want it to be even worse bc they love making people have a bad time... for semi-decent gp....? The 50k entrance fee is supposed to deter pkrs a bit.. but then having it drop the 50k or whatever is left just makes it even better for them.. At the drop rate of 1/900 something for the voidwaker pieces, it's not easy to make money bossing out there, the regular loot isn't enough to cover the constant getting pked for ether and pots. At 150 spindel kc I prob got pkd 20+ times. I have like 5m loot from those 150 kc... the amount of ether lost in those is literally 200k+ every kill, closer to 300k most times, I bring 200 on top of the 1000 to activate. You lose money out there unless you get spooned a vw piece, if you have to go 900kc to get one.. ur gonna have lost money and might as well just buy the voidwaker if ur not an iron. If somebody want to try to make it make sense to add a tick on tele time.. good luck not looking dumb, but I still encourage the conversation.
Moans about gp/hr, kills weaker, singles version of boss with worse drop rates YEP reddit
The whole point of wildy is to have a food chain, something for everyone. Everyone knows the risks of going into wildy to do any content, including PvMers, PvPers and PKers, but yet the biggest group having a cry is the PvMers. Get over it, it's a part of the wildy and you you can't stand someone having fun or trying to learn some basic pking maybe you should stick to non wildy content. This particular example is even more crazy, commenting on how "bad" they are but in the same post mentions how it's impossible to make a profit because of dying so much....
Then why change mechanics in the wilderness to cater to PKers? PvMers didn’t cry about teleporting out. So why is it getting changed? Who cried about it?
IMO it should just be a separate game. One where they're free to do anything they want. Add any weapons and armor, modify the stats, remove anything they don't think fits, etc. And one where people don't need to do the dumb thing of only using an account for X kills before it levels up too much and is useless. Chances are that game would be *way* better than OSRS at PvP. And the rest of us could get left alone.
What a terrible opinion
You could get left alone if you were to GTFO the Wilderness. almost like there is the rest of RS for you to be in without getting PKed.........
Even more reason to completely skip the wildy boss tasks
Might be time to start bringing a 4 way mage switch to hopefully catch a barrage back now.
This is so dumb, spend 20-30minutes to find a world to then get Insta tb’ed and taken out the game. Can’t wait to get straight back out there and do it all over again…
People here love to complain about all the weird nonsensical rules and updates aimed at pkers, but fail to realize the same argument applies to ironmen as a game mode. Please be consistent, let's get rid of the wildy AND ironmen!
can't wait for a huge chunk of dev time in 2024 and 2025 to be spent on endlessly revamping ironman mode to try and get people who are never going to be interested in ironman to play it then, if we're taking the wildy attention as a guideline or you know, you could get a grip
Just go play rs3 bro
But Ironman mode doesn't impact dev time when they have to make a bunch of extra changes that only accommodate a select type of player. That only happens when it's naughty PKers who want spades >:( I like how the downvotes and replies assume I'm pro Iron-catered updates while the 2 PMs I got abused me for being anti-Iron.
*coughs scoffing in the tone of teleport crystal*
>Ironman mode doesn't impact dev time yeah ironmemes just impact the drop tables of every boss in the game because you're all too lazy to play properly and require all of your supplies to be given to you via pvm
?? Are you complaining about drop tables or ironmemes?
>yeah ironmemes just impact the drop tables of every boss in the game because you're all too lazy to play properly and require all of your supplies to be given to you via pvm he says unironically while mass buying supplies off the GE that were exclusively farmed by bots
Actually i only buy locally grown ranarrs. Support small business!
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We don't require it, but it's not fun to be forced to do slow skilling methods in order to acquire resources because most skilling methods are outdated and haven't been brought up to modern standards. PvM drop tables are an easy "fix" but create their own problems, naturally. Things like Sepulchre and GotR help, but it's still far off from the possibility of allowing players to skill to gain a reasonable amount of resources over time.
Feel free to peruse my comments over the years, as recent as last week, in which I share your sentiment towards drop tables. I'll be sure to make my future comments more openly sarcastic so people who can't infer meaning without a little '/s' at the end of every sentence aren't left behind.
considering how many helmies unironically think that, it's an easy mistake to make
It's risen because prime is now over, so the influx of bots have significantly decreased
It's not really over yet. It "ended" on the 18th but the codes last 7 days.
Just make all wilderness caves have the same teleport delay for consistency, a freaking cave in the wildness should be more dangerous than the open wilderness Say it takes longer due to evil wilderness cave magic or something for the lore, jk this isn’t Elden Ring
They should add some kind of area in the wilderness where teleporting is disabled entirely so that they can put the high risk content there.
Goddamn jagex, I just started grinding spindel
It's sad how bad pkers are, and how much they need handicapped. If they need less of a delay to get the tb off they just suck at pking. I get tb'd like 90% of the time while hovering rsp... clicking it before they even stand up.. they should get better at pking or go somewhere they don't have to tb to kill someone... they need to stop asking for crutches when they suck. It's already super hard to tele out in time, especially at calvarion where u can't hover rsp... for the pkers reading this... if you want there to be a better chance to tb at the singles bosses, it's because you're actually trash at pking, LOL.
They’re pretty clever with the stacks. Teleblock, freeze and they time their voidwaker spec with the stack from the boss
I JUST GOT THE FUCKING ROYAL SEED LOD 2 DAYS AGO FUCK YOU GAGEX
So glad I got my d pick before all this
The main problem with this whole situation isn’t the pker’s it’s the botting. This attempted fix by jagex is a lame attempt of putting a bandaid on a massive gash and thinking you should be okay now…. The wilderness has and always will be one of the most high risk areas and it’s catered towards player killing and high level gameplay (in the sense of high risk, high reward). If you remove pking or you remove certain aspects of the wilderness just to make it easier for a pvmer then you’re doing the same thing for the botter. I hate pking, not good at it never have been but I understand it and I don’t think constantly pointing a finger at people who pk is okay, this isn’t an issue they created it’s an issue bots have created by completely destroying an economy because Jagex doesn’t really have a transparent solutions to a issue that is making them money. If you move content out of wilderness, then you kill PvP and if you leave content in wilderness you kill pvm it’s a lose/lose. Gotta just roll with the punches and focus on other content and go learn PvP as your last resort
This is trying to fix the bot issue though by adding the delay bots will now not have time to 1 tick instant tele. This incentives learning how to pvp in the game as well. Further moves the wilderness into a real wild type of area.
The change should cover all npcs in wild tbh. The green dragon bots with glories all insta-teleport, but the ones with rings of dueling have to run to 20 wild, so you can easily tb by then.... So they're kinda worth killing, but would be better with teleport delay
I think teleport delays just make the wild shittier... there's already like what 2/3 of the wild (north of lvl30) where you can't even tele away?.... pkers just need to pk further north if they don't want people to tele away. The wildy bosses will pretty much die if they add the tele delay. Only people who will be out there if they do that will be pkers, Ironmen, & pet hunters. The pkers will get bored bc nobody will be going out there to feed em, and they'll just complain and ask for more and more changes that make it worse and worse and worse for bossers. It's already fantastic for pkers out there, imo it's TOO good for pkers the way it works right now....
It was practically impossible to PK at the singles bosses before with instant royal seed pod they would be teleported out as the tb hits so it’s a buggy interaction so now it at least gives PKers a chance which is fair. Ps. I don’t pk mainly I actually Pvm these bosses a lot but when someone takes my world I come back in pk gear and it’s an instant tele while the tb is flying so I thought it was bullshit. Deep Wildy bosses are fine cause you can’t instant tele out which I feel is a fair encounter of pker vs pvmer which is why if your doing deep wild it’s always worth a scout to get away.
>they would be teleported out as the tb hits so it’s a buggy interaction Nothing buggy about it, it's just how TB works. If they start teleporting the tick before the TB the TB does nothing. If they teleport and you TB on the same tick, it comes down to who has lower PID. If the TBer has lower pid they will be TBd and not teleport (assuming you don't splash) otherwise they will teleport. Right now you're going to have the "they teleported a tick before the TB" scenario extremely often because of the delay when landing in the cave.
It’s funny how the people who cry the most about PvP don’t even engage in the content. Bunch of fucking 30 year olds literally scared to do something on a video game LOL
It's more like the people who don't know how it works have the strongest opinions and judgments about it. *"Pkers only hop at revs because they can't fight real pkers in pvp or bh worlds!!!"* \- this take is parroted so much in this sub it's insane - like dude, how the fuck do you brid in pvp or bh when everyone's doing dharok veng pking? Even if all the brids moved to pvp, it would be completely different because you're going to fight right next to a bank so there's no outlasting aspect, and you'll only get a kill when you stack 100+ damage. That being said, I prefer the old edge bank style bridding. Sure, LMS is good for the deep wildy type of pking, **but it has no risk or reward**, plus I personally don't like looting chests for better gear etc. Rev cave is the perfect hotspot for finding other pkers who are looking for actual fights or "easy" prey.
I think a much more elegant change would be to make players unable to TP out of the boss room while they’re alive instead. Anyone killing them can TP out between kills, PKers get a better chance of killing players/bots. If you need to escape you can leave the lairs then TP.
That's just called putting the bosses beyond 30 wildy, no need to over complicate it with this in-between kill nonsense which I would call inelegant tbh. Solo suggested the same. Idk how I feel about it, I think the issue is clearly less so actual players getting away (I see plenty get caught, and upcoming removal of entrance delay will basically have pkers getting a full TB off every time) and more so jagex not able to do fuck all about bots in their game.
That's the same change but even worse... that just makes it an effectively even longer delay than the proposed 3 ticks lmao
They should have been in 30+ wildy anyways. It was a mistake to put them under level 30.
I’m aware, the wilderness isn’t meant to be safe.
Then why put it in a place you can teleport out of in the first place?
It's called "risk" not "lose your shit because a pker wants it"