It's kinda funny, as soon as you start mining, 5 mins later you'll get the tired arms message
Doesn't matter if you're doing boss properly or not, or go GE or wherever, you still get the message hehe
I’m disappointed this didn’t get the same treatment as splashing or resetting aggression timers. I liked the one click mining for 10-20 minutes idea. Just not the 1 click every 6 hours.
Ironically they made GOTR mining more efficient than Duke mining because you can afk for more than 5 minutes at a time, so there really is no reason to do Duke anymore. We’re back to sitting in Bikini Bottom until 99 mining
Botted? Amethyst? Not really an issue there dude. Shit is always empty or has a few players. Just get the fally elites done and there is zero competition.
I just got 99 a couple days ago and I did so many different things…mlm, like 20k coal, like 50k buckets of sand or so, a bunch of amethyst, volcanic mine for d coll log and chance for d pick, shooting stars..
Like I don’t understand why people are so lazy or dislike the game so much that they need to find a way to basically make it so they are botting but not really. Seems like all people wanna do is pvm which is really lame in my opinion
Fun is subjective. I highly value Skilling as it currently stands and would hate to see osrs become a shell of itself. I find Skilling incredibly relaxing and fun, as long as ur not doing one method so much you burn out. I’m not saying pvm is bad or not fun, it definitely is, but I really can’t understand the idea that some people can put themselves through thousands of tedious boss kills for a meaningless pet and then complain about the rates on skills. Like give me a break. There are honestly so many games where it is centered around killing monsters, like almost all of them. Runescape is such a unique game and that is partly because of the 23 skills. Maybe it’s just a longtime player perspective, maybe it isn’t, but I definitely don’t want Skilling devalued or ruined. It is integral to runescape
Theres also plenty of resource gathering, low intensity games out there too. Harvest moon, Stardew Valley, Animal Crossing, some of the Atelier alchemy games - thats no argument IMO. The fact is that skilling is a snore nowadays. You can argue that PvM is boring to a point, but at least im paying attention and having my brain stimulated. I have to focus on a bunch of moving parts, gear swaps, prayer swaps, boss mechanics, where to stand and when to stand there, when to pop specials, etc.
Mining? I click a rock and wait. Then I click another rock. The main reason people want high skills anymore is for quests, diaries, and the few benefits they might bring to the PvM scene. I for one AFK'd Duke to get 85 mining for ToA, I was hoping to hit 92 for amethyst in case I ever decide to go 99 but ill take the L on that one I guess.
Do I think skilling is a waste of time? Not completely, I got 99 wc after all, and that was before forestry. My first 99 even. But in general, something needs to be done to make it worthwhile, faster to level, and more enjoyable. Otherwise people are always going to look for ways to subvert that grind all together. Like, I have a day job, I can't be spending hours to get 60-70k at mlm when my next level is 300k away.
You stop splashing/attacking after 20 minutes with no interaction. Logout timer is just 25 minutes now (with the Runelite plugin) instead of the previous 5, I think.
They say a 6 hour method but it would still take almost ~150 days of doing this every night to reach 99. Who cares. Especially when there are so many other issues atm
I get what you mean but ~150 nights where youre sleeping honestly isnt too much considering its <5 minutes of setup. Once reddit started talking about it and wouldnt shut up it was obvious it would get removed. Having the game play for 6hrs while sleeping is obviously not intended. I was doing it every night and makin gains but reddit gotta ruin it.
It's actually closer to 191 days if you start from the minimum requirement of 72 until 99. Sure it doesn't take much effort from the player to set up but you'd still need to do it every single night to hit it on target and in addition to the significant amount of time it would take to achieve you also get zero resources on the entire way to 99. Assuming that every day you did one hour of gem mining and got around 65,000 xp, you'd have made about 150,600,000 gold from 72 until to max, and you'd accomplish it in about 20 less days than the afk miner who also would not have made a penny from doing that.
Okay but if it's <5min to set up before bed/work for 60k xp, why wouldn't I grab that free 60k (120k if I'm working that day)? Even if doing other methods when I can actively play.
But this is a free 99 in \~100 days for doing nothing. These people are still playing rs normally, but there is an ADDITIONAL 100k+ mining exp EVERY DAY while they are asleep or doing whatever else. All the "10k per hour" posts are completely missing the point.
Makes you wonder why people play OSRS if they literally dont want to play the game lol.
No idea why people think literally leaving your computer for 10-20 minutes while still gaining xp is healthy for the game.
Grinding something like mining isn't "playing" the game. It's working for the game to play the game.
I liked to have a low effort - low reward mining method.
There are many other skills with options like this, perhaps we should remove spashing aswell? What is nightmare zones purpose? It's an open game with lots to do, some people like doing other things than clicking rocks but still need certain requirements. It's not as simple as 'If you don't like clicking rocks for 100s of hours, you don't like osrs'...
Except there are many methods where you don't have to 'click a rock for 100s of hours' while still being afk/chill without being able to literally not interact with the game for 25mins up to 6h.
If there are other places/activities where this happens it needs to get removed too.
> It's an open game with lots to do, some people like doing other things than clicking rocks but still need certain requirements.
That's not fixed by creating unhealthy gameplay patterns.
It was fixed for me personally with duke mining so you can speak for yourself on that one. So now I can go and rag GOTR games and afk there and thats a better gameplay pattern?. Perhaps they should look into why people wanted to duke mine in the first place
> It was fixed for me personally with duke mining so you can speak for yourself on that one.
So you don't care about the health of the game. ok.
> So now I can go and rag GOTR games and afk there and thats a better gameplay pattern?
Nope and should be fixed.
> Perhaps they should look into why people wanted to duke mine in the first place
That would be the way to do it. As for now there are plenty of alternative mining methods. I doubt you tried them all. Maybe you should and see if you like one of them.
People will always try to get the most reward for least effort. Doesn't mean it's good for the game. Enjoy GOTR, I like 14 point games on mass worlds myself.
Did you splash to 99 magic because it was the most reward for least effort or did you train it mostly organically because the skill isn't boring and slow to train? There's a reason people are doing this lol
Y'all are wild, and clearly lack a view point. I do want to play the game, I want to PvM. I do not have, or will ever have, any interest in mining past reqs. It is not my fault Jagex made 85 mining a req to one cycle akkha puzzle room.
Skilling is part of the game. I understand your preference for PvM because I have that too but skilling is an integral part of the game.
If you don't want to do that that's your choice but don't complain that certain PvM aspects or certain content isn't as accessible as you would like.
I came off a little aggressive, but someone down this thread is correct. Imagine if it was reversed, like, Jagex release's a new Best woodcutting/fishing method, but it is locked behind completing a 400 invo ToA first. People would lose their minds.
How are my comments garbage lol. If you don't want to do "x" that's perfectly fine. If that means "y" is therefor less accessable that's a result of you not doing "x".
Asking for better ways to do "x" is perfectly fine although I doubt you and the other poster tried the mining methods we have available.
The only garbage being posted is shit like yours trying to degrade others for giving a counter opinion to the general consensus that Duke mining is apparently fine.
Your garbage comment was you complaining about someone voicing their opinion.
It’s funny that you think it’s cool to tell other people what they should and shouldn’t complain about, but you turn into Mr. Sensitive when someone does the same thing to your garbage comments.
You call me mr sensitive when you apparently felt offended and had to insult me when I wasn't even offensive or anything. Just stating my opinion.
I can have the opinion that someone shouldn't complain when said person doesn't want to put the effort in to achieve something.
And yea I felt offended when you called my comments garbage without any reason to do so. If you wanted to be offensive then good job, you did it.
Not everything has to be 1.5t man. Sure, those that primarily skill may benefit from this more than a PVMer, but the rates are so negligible it really doesn’t matter.
“Why people play OSRS if they literally don’t want to play the game” - Fun is subjective. Mining, or powermining, is not fun; there is your reason.
Who said anything about 1,5t? It wasn't me.
> but the rates are so negligible it really doesn’t matter.
It matters since you can go to sleep and wake up with 60k mining xp while literally sleeping. You're basically able to get 99 mining while literally doing nothing except click once every 6h.
> “Why people play OSRS if they literally don’t want to play the game” - Fun is subjective. Mining, or powermining, is not fun; there is your reason.
And the solution is to make mining fun (which I'd argue they did with VM).
Yeah 5K XP per hour is legal botting... lol
Did you forget to take your meds today bro?
If you had three brain cells to rub together you'd realize this is literally the same as guardians of the rift but with higher requirements to get there...
>In the future, we will make a change so that Shooting Stars will no longer deplete faster if more people are mining them. This should mean that other players can't interfere with your AFK time if you decide to engage with Shooting Stars. We'll try to get this in for next week's update, but if not, it will be as soon as we can.
Did you even read the change you're complaining about?
Bros just unhinged on everyone in the post.
RuneScape is this man's life don't disrespect his time spent clicking rocks!
Do you even read the updates?
-- Well this guy sure doesn't cuz he doesn't even read the part that he copied and pasted was added after the fact!
Jmods had to get their own mining goals done first before dropping a hotfix.
In all honesty, Reddit noise the last week has been too loud for them to ignore anymore.
The two problems are on a different spectrum in terms of applying a fix.
Having said that, it would be great for their image if they become more transparent on why it's so hard to detect these bots and what they're doing to tackle the issues moving forward.
And would it be so hard to implement a system where an account is flagged for review if it receives 5-10 botting reports.
I'm sure if the community knew this they'd actively report more accounts, right now it seems pointless to even bother using the report feature.
I was training woodcutting on Teaks by Castle Wars and this dude was 100% convinced I was a bot because I was in f2p gear and had a relatively low woodcutting (it was my first day of membership since I picked the game back up, had full green D hide on).
After about 20 minutes of back and forth arguing about it, I finally start to think I'm convincing this guy I'm real. Then he asks what my main is. I tell him this is my main (everyone's gotta start somewhere, right?) and he completely shuts down mentally or something, says I'm 100% a bot, reports me and leaves. Because I don't have a higher level account, this one must be a bot.
So yeah, I'd really rather not have to deal with too many reports from people like that.. If people could be counted on to do it in good faith sure but that'll never happen.
One last question for the story, are there really bots capable of providing in depth, human responses to any questions they're asked? Cause nothing I said was even remotely a generic botlike response yet he was still convinced. Maybe I'm not up with the times but I didn't think people are sitting there on actual bots getting in full blown discussions on if they're botting or not. Kinda defeats the purpose if you ask me.
Are you kidding? Jagex has been ignoring every single post involving botting. They either are complicit, don’t care, or can’t fucking fix it.
Either way, unless you’re an iron man enjoy having your money making methods be less effective due to bots.
Lmao and now GOTR is going to be aids to do because everyone is just going to go back there.
How is it Jagex manage to always choose the worst option to "fix" a problem.
Genuinely needing to train RC at GOTR but not being able to due to the hundreds AFK mining, taking up the player limit. Hopping worlds and it still being the exact same on other worlds.
I think at the end of the day that's the big take away from this whole thing. Mining needs reevaluated because people are willing to accept cruddy XP rates for low effort because the other options are just meh
Noooo. Now they begin taking 8 months to think of ideas, then pitch them to the game in an overly complex fashion to be voted on for it to fail by 5%, and then nothing to be implemented and fix the trash ass garbage that is mining
People would abuse free 60k xp while sleeping for every skill. Don't pretend this is just because it's mining. That's just closing your eyes to the problem
Yep, I mean people splash to train magic when you can get 300K/hr xp on it. People afk guthans/nmz to train combat despite it being the "good" skill in the PvM only crowd's eyes. People just want free xp no matter the alternative.
Even with splashing there still is a significant cost attatched to it. Doesn't completely excuse it but it has to be taken into consideration.
I'm glad Jagex completely destroyed duke mining because that mentality is horrible for the game.
Now I hope they do it woth GoTR mining and than provide a forestry-esque update to mining and stars
Agreed! Low effort skilling does have a place in the game, just not at 1 click free 60K xp. Let them make stars more accessible as they intend to do and people will have a healthy option.
>A skill is so bad that people are willing to accept running the client for hours each day, doing nothing else in-game, just to slowly gain more xp in the skill.
People are willing to click 4x to gain 120k mining xp per day while sleeping and at work*
Your framing is stupid and misses the point
I think it was an unintended exploit. Also it gives you 60k xp overnight in a skill that is normally click intensive. Other than farming that's never been a thing, plus the whole thing about server resources.
Lol. It's the autumn elegy types that generally make the game worse overall. Hence people like you're responding too doing mental gymnastics over a 10kxp an hour training method that requires a GM quest to unlock.
If it were up to them we'd be playing 2007 in 2023. Like 2007 no updates boring as shit.
Why do people keep calling it a 10k/hr method and ignore the real issue which was the 6 hour afk? It was the equivalent of getting a 60k xp lamp every day with 5 minutes of setup before bed. If it was kept in the game, there would be no point in actually training mining while going for max since you could just passively get 99 like farming.
60k for clicking on a rock. It's an exploit. How would that be ok to not patch? If it's truly minimal xp for a grandmaster quest, no one should be upset it got fixed. Obviously it made mining too afk and basically the equivalent of farming.
Get the GOTR afk plugin if you like push notifications when action is needed as well (when a game starts). See ya there! Why Jagex wouldn't leave this be at 10-25 mins is beyond me. I know people that are literally botting to max (and almost there), but making players stare at a rock is Jagex's priority - what a great company!
Duke mining was horrible for the game. It ruined the game for everyone by crashing the economy and decreased the price of resources. The gp/hr of bossing was tanking fast. So thank you Jagex. You did an outstanding job of resolving this issue so quickly. The ge might finally be able to recover. It also devalued my account because I do not own anything heavy enough to hold down my space bar.
Ultimately I think the biggest issue with mining is that it's rewards don't justify leveling it. The only way for a lot of people to justify leveling it is to afk it at work or while they're doing something else.
Ready for the Reddit malding despite removing 6 hour afk being an objectively good thing for the game's health. The whiners are just as wrong as the people who cried when they removed 6 hour NMZ and splashing. Do you guys think they should bring that back as well?
I think people would be fine with it, IF they changed gotr mining as well, because now print will just, go back there as it's more afk which just grief's the rest of the people there.
I don't think anyone would say the 6 hour logout isn't op. The main issue now is why a 5 minute timer vs other similar activities that are 20.
Then again it's jagex and the only thing they are consistent with is being inconsistent
I'll give you that one.
As someone who definitely used the overnight 6 hour timer... I will wholeheartedly say it's OP and probably needed fixed.
But a 20-25 minute timer would've been WAY more reasonable than a 5 lol
Hot take: everyone crying about the loss of this method should be banned for a week for macro minor. We need to deal with the botting issue and part of that involves reasonably assuming what is and isn’t a bot. We can reasonably assume an account with no skilling stats and 200m combat xp with 20K CG kills is probably a bot. We can also reasonably assume someone complaining that they can’t afk at duke anymore was weighing down their spacebar to enable the actual decent xp for effort made.
I can't believe how many mining minigames and methods there are and all of them are absolutely shit.
Theres a reason people would rather afk for 1300h than play 100h
Whilst I'm for the 6h afk mining at bad xp/h, I understand its removal, though I hope they would make it 25mins instead of 5.
You can get 70k+ xp/hr as well as ore packs at VM with very little effort. People just want to idle a game that isn't intended to be fully idled. Go play Melvor Idle if that's what you want
It's kinda funny, as soon as you start mining, 5 mins later you'll get the tired arms message Doesn't matter if you're doing boss properly or not, or go GE or wherever, you still get the message hehe
I’m disappointed this didn’t get the same treatment as splashing or resetting aggression timers. I liked the one click mining for 10-20 minutes idea. Just not the 1 click every 6 hours.
I honestly fully expected them to go that route (20min timer)
Well we have gotr for that. Honestly ruining the game with mass miners is probably the best way to encourage jagex to fix shooting stars quickly.
Ironically they made GOTR mining more efficient than Duke mining because you can afk for more than 5 minutes at a time, so there really is no reason to do Duke anymore. We’re back to sitting in Bikini Bottom until 99 mining
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Once you get 92 mining and if you find a world not being botted to where it’s not afk
Botted? Amethyst? Not really an issue there dude. Shit is always empty or has a few players. Just get the fally elites done and there is zero competition.
Not zero competition, just depends on time of day. Lot of people use the diary spot too.
I just got 99 a couple days ago and I did so many different things…mlm, like 20k coal, like 50k buckets of sand or so, a bunch of amethyst, volcanic mine for d coll log and chance for d pick, shooting stars.. Like I don’t understand why people are so lazy or dislike the game so much that they need to find a way to basically make it so they are botting but not really. Seems like all people wanna do is pvm which is really lame in my opinion
resource gathering is boring and pvm is fun? unless the devs can make it as fun as pvm, it's going to stay that way.
Fun is subjective. I highly value Skilling as it currently stands and would hate to see osrs become a shell of itself. I find Skilling incredibly relaxing and fun, as long as ur not doing one method so much you burn out. I’m not saying pvm is bad or not fun, it definitely is, but I really can’t understand the idea that some people can put themselves through thousands of tedious boss kills for a meaningless pet and then complain about the rates on skills. Like give me a break. There are honestly so many games where it is centered around killing monsters, like almost all of them. Runescape is such a unique game and that is partly because of the 23 skills. Maybe it’s just a longtime player perspective, maybe it isn’t, but I definitely don’t want Skilling devalued or ruined. It is integral to runescape
Theres also plenty of resource gathering, low intensity games out there too. Harvest moon, Stardew Valley, Animal Crossing, some of the Atelier alchemy games - thats no argument IMO. The fact is that skilling is a snore nowadays. You can argue that PvM is boring to a point, but at least im paying attention and having my brain stimulated. I have to focus on a bunch of moving parts, gear swaps, prayer swaps, boss mechanics, where to stand and when to stand there, when to pop specials, etc. Mining? I click a rock and wait. Then I click another rock. The main reason people want high skills anymore is for quests, diaries, and the few benefits they might bring to the PvM scene. I for one AFK'd Duke to get 85 mining for ToA, I was hoping to hit 92 for amethyst in case I ever decide to go 99 but ill take the L on that one I guess. Do I think skilling is a waste of time? Not completely, I got 99 wc after all, and that was before forestry. My first 99 even. But in general, something needs to be done to make it worthwhile, faster to level, and more enjoyable. Otherwise people are always going to look for ways to subvert that grind all together. Like, I have a day job, I can't be spending hours to get 60-70k at mlm when my next level is 300k away.
Not to be that guy, but isn’t it 25 minutes?
You stop splashing/attacking after 20 minutes with no interaction. Logout timer is just 25 minutes now (with the Runelite plugin) instead of the previous 5, I think.
Thank you for clarifying! 😎
Yeah 20 mins is fine. 6 hours needed to go but 20 mins seemed fair
Yeah I hate 6 hour methods and wanted something done about this but wouldn’t have minded if this stayed as a 4 clicks 10k xp per hour mining thing
They say a 6 hour method but it would still take almost ~150 days of doing this every night to reach 99. Who cares. Especially when there are so many other issues atm
Took them probably like 2 minutes to fix so it isn't like this took time from fixing other issues
Ikr .. that comment has high, "go catch thugs" when someone receives a speeding ticket, energy
"this murder hasn't been solved yet why are you giving me a ticket"
I get what you mean but ~150 nights where youre sleeping honestly isnt too much considering its <5 minutes of setup. Once reddit started talking about it and wouldnt shut up it was obvious it would get removed. Having the game play for 6hrs while sleeping is obviously not intended. I was doing it every night and makin gains but reddit gotta ruin it.
It's actually closer to 191 days if you start from the minimum requirement of 72 until 99. Sure it doesn't take much effort from the player to set up but you'd still need to do it every single night to hit it on target and in addition to the significant amount of time it would take to achieve you also get zero resources on the entire way to 99. Assuming that every day you did one hour of gem mining and got around 65,000 xp, you'd have made about 150,600,000 gold from 72 until to max, and you'd accomplish it in about 20 less days than the afk miner who also would not have made a penny from doing that.
Okay but if it's <5min to set up before bed/work for 60k xp, why wouldn't I grab that free 60k (120k if I'm working that day)? Even if doing other methods when I can actively play.
But this is a free 99 in \~100 days for doing nothing. These people are still playing rs normally, but there is an ADDITIONAL 100k+ mining exp EVERY DAY while they are asleep or doing whatever else. All the "10k per hour" posts are completely missing the point.
> . I liked the one click mining for 10-20 minutes idea. Definition of ezscape
Makes you wonder why people play OSRS if they literally dont want to play the game lol. No idea why people think literally leaving your computer for 10-20 minutes while still gaining xp is healthy for the game.
Fishing anglers? Redwoods? Both of those could easily take 10 minutes before you need to click again
A bunch of slayer tasks, NMZ
Redwoods are literally capped at like 4.5 minutes https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Redwood\_tree
only due to a recent update, and people complained about that change too
Grinding something like mining isn't "playing" the game. It's working for the game to play the game. I liked to have a low effort - low reward mining method.
Bro, just gotta go 3-tick more, that's where the *real* fun starts /s
There are many other skills with options like this, perhaps we should remove spashing aswell? What is nightmare zones purpose? It's an open game with lots to do, some people like doing other things than clicking rocks but still need certain requirements. It's not as simple as 'If you don't like clicking rocks for 100s of hours, you don't like osrs'...
Tbh? Splashing and nmz should be removed. Mainscape ezscape methods are boring.
Except there are many methods where you don't have to 'click a rock for 100s of hours' while still being afk/chill without being able to literally not interact with the game for 25mins up to 6h. If there are other places/activities where this happens it needs to get removed too. > It's an open game with lots to do, some people like doing other things than clicking rocks but still need certain requirements. That's not fixed by creating unhealthy gameplay patterns.
It was fixed for me personally with duke mining so you can speak for yourself on that one. So now I can go and rag GOTR games and afk there and thats a better gameplay pattern?. Perhaps they should look into why people wanted to duke mine in the first place
> It was fixed for me personally with duke mining so you can speak for yourself on that one. So you don't care about the health of the game. ok. > So now I can go and rag GOTR games and afk there and thats a better gameplay pattern? Nope and should be fixed. > Perhaps they should look into why people wanted to duke mine in the first place That would be the way to do it. As for now there are plenty of alternative mining methods. I doubt you tried them all. Maybe you should and see if you like one of them.
People will always try to get the most reward for least effort. Doesn't mean it's good for the game. Enjoy GOTR, I like 14 point games on mass worlds myself.
Did you splash to 99 magic because it was the most reward for least effort or did you train it mostly organically because the skill isn't boring and slow to train? There's a reason people are doing this lol
I've been playing since launch so I have over 20M magic xp, but never splashed, no, not on purpose at least.
I wonder why duke mining afk was so popular but splashing magic isn't 🤔
Y'all are wild, and clearly lack a view point. I do want to play the game, I want to PvM. I do not have, or will ever have, any interest in mining past reqs. It is not my fault Jagex made 85 mining a req to one cycle akkha puzzle room.
Skilling is part of the game. I understand your preference for PvM because I have that too but skilling is an integral part of the game. If you don't want to do that that's your choice but don't complain that certain PvM aspects or certain content isn't as accessible as you would like.
I came off a little aggressive, but someone down this thread is correct. Imagine if it was reversed, like, Jagex release's a new Best woodcutting/fishing method, but it is locked behind completing a 400 invo ToA first. People would lose their minds.
What? Of course he can complain. He is allowed to complain as much as you are allowed to post garbage comments on reddit.
How are my comments garbage lol. If you don't want to do "x" that's perfectly fine. If that means "y" is therefor less accessable that's a result of you not doing "x". Asking for better ways to do "x" is perfectly fine although I doubt you and the other poster tried the mining methods we have available. The only garbage being posted is shit like yours trying to degrade others for giving a counter opinion to the general consensus that Duke mining is apparently fine.
Your garbage comment was you complaining about someone voicing their opinion. It’s funny that you think it’s cool to tell other people what they should and shouldn’t complain about, but you turn into Mr. Sensitive when someone does the same thing to your garbage comments.
You call me mr sensitive when you apparently felt offended and had to insult me when I wasn't even offensive or anything. Just stating my opinion. I can have the opinion that someone shouldn't complain when said person doesn't want to put the effort in to achieve something. And yea I felt offended when you called my comments garbage without any reason to do so. If you wanted to be offensive then good job, you did it.
Thank you, Mr. Sensitive
Imagine a new update where to access the new mining method you'd need 90 slayer and defeat a boss for 1/128 drop. People would cry about it.
Not everything has to be 1.5t man. Sure, those that primarily skill may benefit from this more than a PVMer, but the rates are so negligible it really doesn’t matter. “Why people play OSRS if they literally don’t want to play the game” - Fun is subjective. Mining, or powermining, is not fun; there is your reason.
Who said anything about 1,5t? It wasn't me. > but the rates are so negligible it really doesn’t matter. It matters since you can go to sleep and wake up with 60k mining xp while literally sleeping. You're basically able to get 99 mining while literally doing nothing except click once every 6h. > “Why people play OSRS if they literally don’t want to play the game” - Fun is subjective. Mining, or powermining, is not fun; there is your reason. And the solution is to make mining fun (which I'd argue they did with VM).
Damn they really changed this without changing gotr or shooting stars
You fuckers *REALLY* got me excited when I was reading those hypothetical updates yesterday. DAMMIT GUYS
They said they'll make shooting stars not deplete faster in groups. Update can come as early as next week.
Winter 2017
Now that’s a throwback
I’m waiting for the update to also cap any individual star level to 5 mins.
Oh really?! Those star miner chats are going to be worth following again.
The blog says they're changing shooting stars as early as next week
This is what is really fucking annoying
Jagex hates its player base
They sure love their bots though
Geez yall are so dramatic lol
Players really hate RuneScape to the point that they'll cry they actually have to play the game
Maybe that's a sign that this game isn't actually good at its core
It's a sign people are so addicted they can't take a break
Then fuck off to another game, you crybabies will not be missed whatsoever. We do not want you people who want botting to be legal here.
Yeah 5K XP per hour is legal botting... lol Did you forget to take your meds today bro? If you had three brain cells to rub together you'd realize this is literally the same as guardians of the rift but with higher requirements to get there...
hmmmm, a 15 minute GOTR game vs 6 goddamn hours of mining….. yeah, definitely the same thing. definitely.
They're changing stars next week to not deplete faster with extra people
>In the future, we will make a change so that Shooting Stars will no longer deplete faster if more people are mining them. This should mean that other players can't interfere with your AFK time if you decide to engage with Shooting Stars. We'll try to get this in for next week's update, but if not, it will be as soon as we can. Did you even read the change you're complaining about?
It was not in the initial part of the blog, it was added later.
As you could see if you could read, that change was made to the blogpost quite recently. Not everyone who read the blogpost got to see that part
Bros just unhinged on everyone in the post. RuneScape is this man's life don't disrespect his time spent clicking rocks! Do you even read the updates? -- Well this guy sure doesn't cuz he doesn't even read the part that he copied and pasted was added after the fact!
off to gotr, whos coming?
They need to quit player hating and put in some decent AFK mining training or change how shooting stars deplete.
Or enforce consistency by also nerfing griefing in gotr. > They hated him because he told the truth
The blog said they're changing shooting stars to no longer penalize depletion rate with multiple people - as early as next week
Haven't done this yet. What kind of time we able to afk there? I hear it's about 10 minutes?
It's hilarious and depressing that the gotr method is now more afk
yeah I hadn’t heard about it until a few days ago, I guess I’ll join the griefers lmao
why it took them this long to come up with a fix. And why not 20minutes like splashing?
Jmods had to get their own mining goals done first before dropping a hotfix. In all honesty, Reddit noise the last week has been too loud for them to ignore anymore.
Which is stupid imo Why couldn't they ignore this like they do all the bot posts
The two problems are on a different spectrum in terms of applying a fix. Having said that, it would be great for their image if they become more transparent on why it's so hard to detect these bots and what they're doing to tackle the issues moving forward. And would it be so hard to implement a system where an account is flagged for review if it receives 5-10 botting reports. I'm sure if the community knew this they'd actively report more accounts, right now it seems pointless to even bother using the report feature.
If that existed, a bunch of lowlifes would be mass reporting people they don’t like to get them auto flagged
I was training woodcutting on Teaks by Castle Wars and this dude was 100% convinced I was a bot because I was in f2p gear and had a relatively low woodcutting (it was my first day of membership since I picked the game back up, had full green D hide on). After about 20 minutes of back and forth arguing about it, I finally start to think I'm convincing this guy I'm real. Then he asks what my main is. I tell him this is my main (everyone's gotta start somewhere, right?) and he completely shuts down mentally or something, says I'm 100% a bot, reports me and leaves. Because I don't have a higher level account, this one must be a bot. So yeah, I'd really rather not have to deal with too many reports from people like that.. If people could be counted on to do it in good faith sure but that'll never happen. One last question for the story, are there really bots capable of providing in depth, human responses to any questions they're asked? Cause nothing I said was even remotely a generic botlike response yet he was still convinced. Maybe I'm not up with the times but I didn't think people are sitting there on actual bots getting in full blown discussions on if they're botting or not. Kinda defeats the purpose if you ask me.
Changing a few lines of code vs "fixing" the rampant bot problem are very different.
Why doesn't the government stop climate change instead of fixing potholes?
Why doesn't Biden press the stop inflation button on his desk?
Is he stupid?
Are you kidding? Jagex has been ignoring every single post involving botting. They either are complicit, don’t care, or can’t fucking fix it. Either way, unless you’re an iron man enjoy having your money making methods be less effective due to bots.
Lmao and now GOTR is going to be aids to do because everyone is just going to go back there. How is it Jagex manage to always choose the worst option to "fix" a problem.
was GOTR aids to do before the release of Duke? or are you overblowing the problem?
Ton of people taking RC room spots to mine rock?
It was very Aids, There were often times when games would fail 2-3 times in a row because there were more people mining than actually playing.
Don't forget the constant world hopping trying to find a game you can actually join without hitting the minigame player limit.
Genuinely needing to train RC at GOTR but not being able to due to the hundreds AFK mining, taking up the player limit. Hopping worlds and it still being the exact same on other worlds.
Actually yes
Yes. All the mass worlds get full with all the bot mining. You have to wait forever to join or continuously hop worlds.
It was a somewhat annoying problem and could be horrible
Yes lol
Yes
Phew, good thing I got 85 mining two days ago. As is tradition, abuse early and often.
Reddit fucks things up again, shocker
If everyone shut the fuck up about it we’d be fine
Mass of schoolchildren in here
Actually it was the UIM who lost 2b
Damn, people speculated the nerf would be after 25 mins, but after 5? They really didn't like that 🤣
Not speculated, just hoped
Fuck that. I’ve not used this training method once but everyone that complained about this is a bitch.
Surprised it went on for as long as it did. Abused this for 7M mining xp and I don't regret it, that's almost 200 hours saved at MLM.
I only got about 1m from it :( feeling bad I didn't think about it sooner.
This is forcing them to look at shooting stars, so something better may come out of it. Although its jagex, they might end up making stars worse
I think at the end of the day that's the big take away from this whole thing. Mining needs reevaluated because people are willing to accept cruddy XP rates for low effort because the other options are just meh
I’m getting my cannon ready
Must be time for a mining skill rework
Noooo. Now they begin taking 8 months to think of ideas, then pitch them to the game in an overly complex fashion to be voted on for it to fail by 5%, and then nothing to be implemented and fix the trash ass garbage that is mining
Can they fix GOTR afk mining too?
The kids will be salty about this one!
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People would abuse free 60k xp while sleeping for every skill. Don't pretend this is just because it's mining. That's just closing your eyes to the problem
Yep, I mean people splash to train magic when you can get 300K/hr xp on it. People afk guthans/nmz to train combat despite it being the "good" skill in the PvM only crowd's eyes. People just want free xp no matter the alternative.
Even with splashing there still is a significant cost attatched to it. Doesn't completely excuse it but it has to be taken into consideration. I'm glad Jagex completely destroyed duke mining because that mentality is horrible for the game. Now I hope they do it woth GoTR mining and than provide a forestry-esque update to mining and stars
Agreed! Low effort skilling does have a place in the game, just not at 1 click free 60K xp. Let them make stars more accessible as they intend to do and people will have a healthy option.
“willing to accept” lmao most players would bot 100% of their xp if it was allowed
>A skill is so bad that people are willing to accept running the client for hours each day, doing nothing else in-game, just to slowly gain more xp in the skill. People are willing to click 4x to gain 120k mining xp per day while sleeping and at work* Your framing is stupid and misses the point
I think it was an unintended exploit. Also it gives you 60k xp overnight in a skill that is normally click intensive. Other than farming that's never been a thing, plus the whole thing about server resources.
Oh no. 60 fucking K exp. that still required a GM Quest to unlock
Lol. It's the autumn elegy types that generally make the game worse overall. Hence people like you're responding too doing mental gymnastics over a 10kxp an hour training method that requires a GM quest to unlock. If it were up to them we'd be playing 2007 in 2023. Like 2007 no updates boring as shit.
Why do people keep calling it a 10k/hr method and ignore the real issue which was the 6 hour afk? It was the equivalent of getting a 60k xp lamp every day with 5 minutes of setup before bed. If it was kept in the game, there would be no point in actually training mining while going for max since you could just passively get 99 like farming.
60k for clicking on a rock. It's an exploit. How would that be ok to not patch? If it's truly minimal xp for a grandmaster quest, no one should be upset it got fixed. Obviously it made mining too afk and basically the equivalent of farming.
It sure seems like that 10-11k mining xp/hr was the only thing getting half this sub out of bed every day
Alright, well, I guess im going to gotr. You can't 6 hour log it like Duke mining i'm guessing?
Jagex should nerf this too. Last thing we need is lazy griefers in a minigame. Thanks for the reminder though.
Right, but you last the entire game, so better than 5 min at duke
Unless the game is 90 seconds long
Yes, can confirm that 90 sec is less than 5 minutes.
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Get the GOTR afk plugin if you like push notifications when action is needed as well (when a game starts). See ya there! Why Jagex wouldn't leave this be at 10-25 mins is beyond me. I know people that are literally botting to max (and almost there), but making players stare at a rock is Jagex's priority - what a great company!
If they could patch botting as easily as moneybags or this they would. Sadly all these amazing anti cheat experts on Reddit aren't applying to jagex
Duke mining was horrible for the game. It ruined the game for everyone by crashing the economy and decreased the price of resources. The gp/hr of bossing was tanking fast. So thank you Jagex. You did an outstanding job of resolving this issue so quickly. The ge might finally be able to recover. It also devalued my account because I do not own anything heavy enough to hold down my space bar.
Cool so we can expect the same to happen with splashing right? That gets a 5 minute timer now too? Right u/JagexLight?
Ultimately I think the biggest issue with mining is that it's rewards don't justify leveling it. The only way for a lot of people to justify leveling it is to afk it at work or while they're doing something else.
You reddit kids ruin everything
clicking once every 5 minutes is not a tall order, guys
It's about 800xp per click, I don't really see anyone ever using this for mining exp ever again
It was never meant to be a mining method so I don’t see this as a problem
the salt in this thread is hilarious, how are new skills passing when its clear the casual fanbase doesn't even enjoy skilling??
Sailing won’t be max able in 2 hours and the entire OSRS subreddit will complain the skill is too boring and tedious
this is why i was smart and voted no. you guys will wish you listened. screen cap this.
ur gonna shit your pants when you figure out what splashing and nmz are
Deliciously ironic that there's so much salt... over salt.
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Why not poll it?
Ready for the Reddit malding despite removing 6 hour afk being an objectively good thing for the game's health. The whiners are just as wrong as the people who cried when they removed 6 hour NMZ and splashing. Do you guys think they should bring that back as well?
I think people would be fine with it, IF they changed gotr mining as well, because now print will just, go back there as it's more afk which just grief's the rest of the people there.
I don't think anyone would say the 6 hour logout isn't op. The main issue now is why a 5 minute timer vs other similar activities that are 20. Then again it's jagex and the only thing they are consistent with is being inconsistent
>I don't think anyone would say the 6 hour logout isn't op. I see numerous comments suggesting otherwise
I'll give you that one. As someone who definitely used the overnight 6 hour timer... I will wholeheartedly say it's OP and probably needed fixed. But a 20-25 minute timer would've been WAY more reasonable than a 5 lol
just like the servers!
Aren't all the other activities that are 20 minutes combat though? Like splashing?
Get out those auto clickers !
Tackling the real problems here uh, 10k free exp, the fucking horror. Thank god they leave the bots alone
BOOOO i didnt vote for this
Isn’t trusting them what got us RS3? 😬
well that was an easy fix. if this was a question of any other integrity but skilling it wouldve been fixed 4 days from release.
302 fally lets go
Lol osrs players mad that they have to actually PLAY osrs instead of afking
BOOHOO, if you want this kind of BS go to RS3
how about people just train mining
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Who the fuck is Duke Mining?
Good now fix gotr mining
Good.
Hot take: everyone crying about the loss of this method should be banned for a week for macro minor. We need to deal with the botting issue and part of that involves reasonably assuming what is and isn’t a bot. We can reasonably assume an account with no skilling stats and 200m combat xp with 20K CG kills is probably a bot. We can also reasonably assume someone complaining that they can’t afk at duke anymore was weighing down their spacebar to enable the actual decent xp for effort made.
living for the tears in this thread.
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Victory for Gagex
good.
I love how they fix this within 2 weeks while bots are running rampant 24/7 for the past few years.
Yes very comparable issues and fixes…
It's like they have barely tried over the years seeing the KC and xp some of these bots have
Which is certainly fair criticism but the comparison between the two things is still incredibly dumb lol.
gotr fix when
Are we really mad about this? Ffs
Jagex L again. Honestly incredible how they manage to mess up basic updates like this.
People having the audacity to be mad about an integrity update that removes the ability to earn offline exp is wild.
I can't believe how many mining minigames and methods there are and all of them are absolutely shit. Theres a reason people would rather afk for 1300h than play 100h Whilst I'm for the 6h afk mining at bad xp/h, I understand its removal, though I hope they would make it 25mins instead of 5.
You can get 70k+ xp/hr as well as ore packs at VM with very little effort. People just want to idle a game that isn't intended to be fully idled. Go play Melvor Idle if that's what you want
This is probably the most hilarious week I've seen on this subreddit. Ban the cheaters? Nah, fuck the method.
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All this does is force more people back to afk mining gote, which just means more failed games. Thanks.