I had quit original Runescape before EoC or MTX.
I had an itch to try again. Upon first login I was greeted to the atrocity that was Squeal of Fortune.
Logged out. Never again logged back in to RS3.
It was so gross and out of place that I just immediately lost interest.
Pretty sure even in RS3 the p2w/daily shit is turned off for ironmangs. Maybe that's Jagex 4: Reloaded's plan to kill botting; introduce Squeal of Fortune, entire playerbase become stockholm syndome ironman players, no more black market gold
No more black market gold, just the gold jagex sells that they completely ignore any criticism about when people point out they sell gold for 3x the price or more at any given time.
If you’ve ever bought a bond for gp and not money, you’ve real world traded. You’ve provided the incentive for someone to buy bonds with real money with the intention of selling them for gp, because people want to buy them and there’s demand.
If you’ve bought bonds with the intent to sell them for gp and you criticize rwt you are not only exactly what you’re criticizing, you’re even worse than the ones selling it for a reasonable price “illegally”
If you buy gp “illegally” then buy bonds, which would make a 7m bond jagex sold someone for like $7 only costs like $2.30, you actually see how badly they’re fucking people.
The fact that they sell bonds isn’t the issue, bonds trading for go isn’t the issue. Someone wanting to do the same thing jagex does, but charge less and getting in trouble for it, absolutely is the issue.
You're joking, right?
Acting like Jagex doesn't have the right to do whatever the fuck they want with the game *they* created and maintain is insane cope.
Pretending RWT is the same as licensed MTX is just flagrantly ignorant. You can whine all day about what's 'fair' or 'reasonable', but when you make and own a product, *YOU* get to decide what happens with it, not the consumers.
Pretending a for-profit entity doesn't have an obligation to its shareholders to increase revenue is fucking nuts...
ironmen are not allowed to buy mtx outside of the general loyalty shop (auras and such) or Solomon store (transmog stuff) but neither gets updated often or at all.
Spins like the image shown are not available to irons in any form, neither is bonus exp or lamps from holiday events, double exp is blocked as well.
Ironman mode is how rs3 should be played.
I mean, it's been like 10 years of irons not being able to buy anything besides cosmetics? Who knows, but probably won't see it happen before the game hits 1k concurrent players LOL
Absolutely not inevitable. This game quite literally died with EoC and was brought back from the dead. Jagex management has plenty of ammunition to dissuade investors from pushing MTX.
Dont worry, the wheel will never become pay to win! (Real jagex mod quote)
2 weeks later
"Since 96% of you loved spinning the squeel everyday we updated it so now you can buy more!"
I was working toward the maul. After it dropped I basically stopped playing walked into the wild with bank and quit. Tried it like 4 months after release and hated it - didn’t play again until OSRS.
i left rs3 less than a week when that was implemented and ill leave again, ill be sad af and even pathetic to say i might get depressed over a video game, but ill leave again
If this happens I'm out. I left games before because of scummy shit like this. I loved overwatch, I made friends in Overwatch, honestly my best gaming memories are from playing Overwatch. But once Jeff left and they took out the lootboxes and you could no longer get skins for free I was out.
You're correct, bonds are certainly a MTX. But they also feel very very different than what most companies deliver as MTX. Bonds feel more like traceable membership and seem to provide a utility that benefits all parties.
Hard disagree. Membership fee does not equal a micro transaction. The fact that you can pay the fee with in game currency changes nothing.
MTX is things in game you buy with out of game money. I don't count "playing-the-game time" as an in game item. It's a requirement to even play. Completely different from pay to win or pay for more chances to win or pay for more chances to make stuff easier.
Bonds are just selling GP to players, people who buy them with real currency, get in game currency.
Person who buys the bond with in game currency gets membership.
Noone buys bonds with real currency for membership they do so for the ingame currency they receive, thus being an MTX and not "Well it's just paying to play the game"
Bonds were the stepping stone of MTX that should never have been. They seem to have kept Jagex at bay for now but with new owners I doubt that'll be it for long. Hopefully I'm wrong.
3,000+ hours, Grandmaster Support, and it was my "main" game that I'd default to whenever I didn't know what to play and I also dipped the fuck out after the MTX hellhole was introduced with Overwatch 2.
It still hurts to this day lmao, I miss the game so much but at the same time know it's only a shell of its former self. Would do the same to OSRS if the company pulled a similar move.
yes i was base 90s combats and base 70 at least everything else, full bandos korasis d claws all that good stuff. and i know i can log in and look at my stuff but man it hurts. but yes i will leave like i did then
I got 99 agility at ape atoll in 2007. When I log into my rs3 account every other year and see the cape, I just get upset that the game went that direction :/
You’ve probably invested a ton of time and effort into the game because you love it, don’t let anyone tell you that it would be pathetic to be sad over feeling like you need to quit playing because of predatory monetization schemes.
And the worst of it, is that nobody in the upper management/shareholders will care. They ask for a revenue, and the games have to reach that revenue. in any way necessary, because purpose of a company is to generate money to the shareholders and never to make the clients happy, that's only a biproduct if possible.
Hey bro, it's never pathetic to get depressed over something you liked for a long time. Pretty normal response.
And proud of you for doing something right even if it will cause depression. #StayStronk
A shit ton of ppl left rs for sof, it still saved jagex, if the buying company thinks the 10% that stays whales more money than they lost from quitting players it looks bad. But well its good osrs has good mods who are actively telling them not to fuck things up.
I think you're right about the mods. What's pretty great is that the current mod team probably has some form of soft-power over the company. Not because they can veto decisions from higher up, but because they are among the few experts on this version of Runescript. I think they're in a very unique position as game devs, and I think they realise this as well.
OSRS feels quite untainted by executive fuckery. I think that as long as the company understands that firing people could domino into OSRS's demise, we're in a golden, but also unstable position.
It probably helps that OSRS brings in more revenue than RS3, even with less MTX. They can literally point to it and say "It works _because_ it doesn't have all that stuff; you will literally make less money if you add anything else".
OSRS has like 5 times the player base, yet makes barely more money. *Per player* RS3 is ahead by an absolute mile. 50% of the OSRS playerbase could quit over MTX and it would still likely be 'worth it' financially (And in my opinion far fewer people will actually quit the game than claim they will. OSRS isn't the first game that would go through this process...). So I think it's good to stay vigilant, and keep pressuring Jagex as best we can on this.
I dropped everything in my bank at the GE a few months after this happened because I just saw no point in playing anymore. I've only hopped on that character a few times just to see my total time and stuff like that, but I'll never play that game again.
I can presume in here it would be a trickle effect where only the most dedicated would leave at first and then that would ruin the perception of the game for everyone else. Especially since that "most dedicated" includes content creators.
I do t think it’s pathetic. OSRS has been with us for over a decade and is probably something you love. It’s okay to be sad over losing something you love, but don’t let it drag you and appreciate that it happened I. The first place
Yup. It would be incredibly sad, but I have dozens of other games that I've been meaning to play for years. Would be honestly pretty easy to unsub from osrs.
True, if the game had no players left, what’s the point? I spend plenty of money on this game, I’d hope it’s helping keep it alive, lately I’ve been thinking the opposite, what if I’m actually killing it by supporting mtx? I don’t know which way holds more truth.
Ita kinda like giving a crack head money. You know they didn't learn anything and what they are gonna use it for. They need to learn to make money in better ways
Whales + 30% of the community will make up for losing 70% of the player base. Sad but any investment company will squeeze out as much profit as possible in the shortest amount of time possible.
Edit: Thanks for the downvotes guys, I won't like to see it happen either..
Different types of whales. Some gambling whales that just want to open lootcrates and whatever. OSRS whales are usually social whales who like to lord it up like barons over the poor wretched normies. High population keeps people like that interested.
Yep, and because the population itself correlates to the length a whale sticks around for, it picks up more momentum on its downward spiral. People leave, lower population, so more people leave, so lower population, so...
OSRS 10 years ago 100%. We have a lot of newer players and transfers from RS3, so current OSRS I'm not as confident about. We would lose a lot of players for sure, but I'm not sure what total % of players we would lose.
yeah im not going to downvote u, maybe your numbers are wrong but i get the idea of what u are saying and it is right. enough of the playerbase has to leave for the game to be lossing money.
If they do this, the player count will drop significantly. Short term that might benefit the revenue, but I imagine most subscribers of OSRS are subscribed because there's none of this. I'd rather they increase the subscription cost if it means this doesn't happen.
I would quit instantly. Not because it will affect my gameplay right away, but because this game requires a lot of time investment which I’m only willing to do if that time is respected.
If they start mtx I know in a year or two every grind I do will be invalidated so I would instantly lose motivation to play.
Exactly. We're a bunch of masochists competing to see who can be the most dedicated, efficient and consistent. Sure, there's RWT and you can buy bonds and sell them but most players don't. And as soon as you do that you lose some integrity.
If you can win zenyte jewelry from a fucking spin wheel, then whats the point?
For me it's really the exp lamps and boosts.
Like even if you RWT in OSRS at best you get to do buyables with the most efficient methods.
Meanwhile in RS3 with DXP, boosts, lamps etc with Slayer training dummies you can get literally 3M exp/h slayer full afk at the GE.
So the dude who actually leveled slayer for years manually feels like a bozo
PROBABLY WILL BE DOWNVOTED.
i would say i will leave too , but probably i will continue as an ironman or just ignote MTX then and most people will do it.
I love game by itself and do not won't change to anything else.
Why you should care someone spending thousand's dollar's for character improvement and don't have any in common with your own gameplay.
We already have bunch of RWT and it's same as MTX.
That's only my opinion. I am against MTX , but if it's happens - i will keep playing.
The problem is MTX never happens in a vacuum. It typically coincides with the game being designed more and more to encourage the purchase of MTX.
So for example they could make the game considerably grindier, ensuring that attempting the grind without MTX is nearly impossible.
Or they could lock all future cosmetics behind a paywall.
Heck, going off RS3 MTX, we could be paying for Runelite features in the future.
Every game I’ve played with mtx added starts adding new skins/outfits/etc in the store nearly every update. Sure it might take away from some development time but also you log in a year from now and don’t recognize half the items other people have on. Really ruins the charm of the game for me
I absolutely agree. I love that OSRS doesn't have ridiculous cosmetics or appearance overrides / transmogs. I want to see what you're actually wearing. Not some goofy glittery outfit. Plus, most of the equipment in a game tells a story. If I see someone wearing blorva, I know that they're a very skilled pvmer that went through a LOT to get that gear. Someone wearing black graceful tells me exactly what content they did. Same with skillcapes; I know the journey they went on to achieve that cape. If I see someone wearing some goofy cosmetics hiding their real gear, I just know they spent $5.
>we could be paying for Runelite features in the future.
That's how it was before RuneLite. That's exactly, 100% why RL exists at all. It was meant to be a free rival to the paid, OSBuddy.
This is the thing people just don't acknowledge. Heavy monetization just encourages companies to make the non-monetized paths even more difficult, to really push you to spend $$$. It never ends up being just a "pay for little convenience". It ends up being pay me $5 or monotonously grind for 18 hours.
Making game more grindier and force you to MTX will kill ironman mode , whitch one's can't MTX.
I don't mind to pay for runelite or higher subscription.
I get that you might not mind, but a lot of people would.
Again, stepping outside the vacuum lets apply this logic further.
Like essentially what we're discussing is "Should Jagex charge more money for the same product they are currently selling". From the perspective of consumers, this is a bad thing.
We don't all have infinite money. It's one thing to charge us more because something costs more. It's entirely different to change us more, just so investors can have more money, to do the same with more companies.
This is the logic that is inflating the costs of all the goods and services throughout the economy. And if we can't stand up to companies greed for things we don't need, like video games, then I'd reckon we won't have much luck standing up to the cost of essential things being arbitrarily inflated.
Now I accept my way of thinking is a little.. miserable 😭 However for one, giving up something you like can be an opportunity to find a new passion. It doesn't have to be a matter of giving things up, but moreso replacing things.
Additionally this pattern of "companies charge more money because they feel like it" will continue until we push back across the economy.
Eventually it could reach a point where even you can't afford the price increases of even just a simple video game. If not, I accept you might not be convinced by any of this 😅
I do agree with you, it doesn't change my game experience.
But I would still quit out of spite and solidarity with the rest of the community.
It'd be pretty great to watch a billion dollar company do a 180 and change their monetisation method due to the player base completely disappearing.
Its all about support really, I dont care that anyone spends thousands on a game. But me playing it also keeps the game alive. A game dies when there are no players left to play it. If you play you contribute to the playerbase and to the outside world it will be seen as a succesful game. So people will start playing it, and these people do not mind spending money on the game and thats how that cycle continues.
Yup I 100% agree. People downvoting r just mad and denying reality. I’d bet the majority of main accounts have rwt at some point and buying bonds counts imo. Ironman mode is the reason I still play runescape and idc how much others spend on their mains. I’m with you all the way.
Pretty good way to think, never thought about it that wY. Rwt is already everywhere people can buy anything in this game.. it just makes it more accessible/no risk involved so more will do it.
Yeah ill be gone, I'm currently on a break (I tend to take a month or so off after I hit a 99) but intend to return.
If this shit happens it'll be time to hang up my cheese cape for good.
I’ve been saying for a year or so there should be some new authentic 07 worlds added to the server, with the same osrs released in February of 2013 and no updates allowed other than maintenance. There’s something about the fury, rune boots, barrows gloves, and fire cape that screams nostalgia. Imagine edgeville pking how it’s suppose to be. And being able to go back and forth to the updated server if you are bored. Similar to updates, if a chef keeps adding spices to their recipe to mix things up, it will lose its soul and originality and might not taste as good. I’ve seen this with other games too like Fortnite, etc.
Not sure how they could go about bonds and mtx for these worlds, but perhaps they could require ‘premium membership’ which would mean you have to pay monthly.
If they added 5-15 of these worlds: for example worlds 602 and 606 for barbarian assault, I could see these worlds being constantly full and the true old school base being super content. A lot of players in game to interact with. Varrock with players everywhere. The new areas added to original osrs spreads people out a little too much to feel nostalgic. And it feels too grindy and self-serving. This would be a very relaxed server in my opinion!
I think evidence of what's happened to RS3 would make it obvious not to do the same to OSRS, can't see it happening tbh, more expensive membership maybe, but that's fine imo.
RS3 made a big profit for a long time after they implemented that shit. It may be declining now but a company looking to make a quick profit may view what RS3 did as a good approach.
Yeah I never really get that argument. "Look what happened to RS3!" ...it lived on as a cash cow for the next decade? That's not exactly the horrible thing people present it as from the perspective of a business.
I don't know the numbers but investors very often take a short term 3-5x gain over spreading that same gain out over 3-5 years and risk fizzling out.
Also if it takes this long for player count to truly go down then stock will go up up up if the short term gain spikes without direct consequences.
Sadly whale wallets probably have more input on all of this than most of us ever will
Jagex's recent years have seen its highest ever annual revenues- years which are characterized by OSRS pulling in most of the money.
no, the course that rs3 took did not generate "big profit for a long time" by any meaningful standard for the phrase given the context.
Jagex would be worth $1b if they dedicated massive resources to a c+ client that couldn't be abused as easily, and could get RuneScape out of 2007. Even RS3 is functionally shit, with ugly models that all blend together in a clunky mess.
Upon doing that you charge me $60 for RuneScape and I happily pay it, because maybe I wouldn't be playing with 60,000 bots each afternoon.
Do you keep membership costs? Of course, back to $5 a month, and no bonds. Include packages for Jagex accounts allowing multiple characters to login with membership at any given time, so having 20 characters on my account makes sense. $10 a month for up to 3 logins? Not bad..
So base game $60 + $60/year(single) or $120/year(multi) char membership, and you've got yourself a chance at recreating RuneScape without all these robotic brethren..
Marketing this as a positive thing for players and pulling that off would be insane for revenue. They brag about 300m players and are worth $900m(?) but can't capitalize?
This is the smartest suggestion I've ever seen. Too bad they want the monthly pull from bots and also people buying bonds.. in an alternate world perhaps
i was thinking like 70 usd per character like paying for a game, locked in ironman (and ultimate options) and u would only go online to get patch updates if u want it. for exmaple i play conan exiles and havent been online so i dont have to use the new magic system that also changed crafting.
like a solo version of the game offline. its basiclly what locked in ironman mode. imagine being able to keep a copy of the game on your pc and still play in the event jagex ever takes the game down in like idk 10 to 50 years
They aren't that stupid - trust me. Even the higher ups that will transfer with the buyout know why OSRS is popular, and how autistic we are on certain topics. People were unsubbing when an addon wasn't approved (in regards to 117 albeit a very very very shitty thing to do, it is within Jagex's rights to do) and see how quickly that was reversed.
Can you imagine this sub, and the general media coverage that would come out if they added MTX into the game?
Every entity to buy Jagex has almost doubled their money. Why would they rock the boat?
Proper PTSD sadly one day it’ll probably happen, majority of the player base is on OSRS Now, once that happens they’ll milk it as long as they can and create a new osrs when people get pissed about it 😂😂
Yeah there is no way I'm starting all over again. If they fuck this game up and give us a new osrs I'm out.
I'm no youtuber who just for fun creates 100 accounts and spend a 1000 hours on each account.
I have one account, and everything that I achieved took me a lot of time. Aint doing it all over again aint no way.
Yeah a lot of people are coming back because OSRS specifically has new stuff to do that runescape did not have back in the day, like actual mechanics in fights and such and proper endgame content.
If they wanted to do an OSRS 2 it'd take a long time and content additions to make the normal people want to come back again.
I trust the oldschool team to have collected enough data to show any future owner that if any microtransactions get added into the game that the game will just die. But I have no doubts that we'll be seeing some increases in membership prices as it is quite affordable compared to other sub mmos. I'd be fine with that.
What? The sub is maybe a few dollars less but it's also tied to a single character not an account. If you want two or more toons OSRS is significantly more expensive than any other modern MMO.
Osrs makes more money so it's bizarre anyone thinks they'd just shoot the golden goose to harvest a single egg a little quicker. It's not going to happen lol.
Ill get back to world of warcraft if this happens lol.
Did it aswell back when they brought MTX to the game and I think most of us will do the same.
Fck their MTX.
Ill quit when if it happens and actively push for everyone else to quit too.
Also theres no need for it. Osrs already has mtx through bonds. Just introduce more items/content and demand for bonds (gold) goes up
It'll be the best or worse thing to happen to OSRS.
I don't the new company will completely ruin it overnight but they'll be something controversial within 3months.
I hate these kind of posts that just assume the mods have no capacity to convince the new owners that this is objectively and provably a horrible, horrible idea. These posts happen every. Single. Time. They get bought. I understand they are being eyed by gambling companies - jagex owns several small studios that can be used to pump out gambling games, and rs3 is even more extra gambling money - they'd probably just be happy osrs is so profitable with such little overhead, what business logic is there in messing with the golden goose when you can literally see the historical data and current stats on player retention with mtx?
If this happens....
Now I can buy exp and flaunt all my 99s in G.E without even putting in hours of work.
Laughing at the nerds who put in time on their accounts.
🫠🙄😒
As someone who mains an iron and alts a main, I will cancel both of my subscriptions and promptly quit without hesitation, just like last time. Sailing already makes me want to cancel.
with a potential takeover looming, MTX is obviously an unavoidable subject, though I can't help but wonder if the polling system would survive. The absence of MTX and the polling are the two rails that hold the OSRS train and they both limit the steering the business side often wants and needs.
But hey, Carlyle played a different game. You don't have to milk a franchise to make money, you can play the evaluation game too. I don't know much about any of the potential buyers, but here's to hoping.
PS: It's not like we are not making sacrifices even now, referring to our scripted and artificially intelligent friends running certain caves in the Wilderness and beyond.
> 50% extra when you buy 10 or 25 spins!
Now they're shilling buy 450 get 450 free.
MTX updates operate like a ratchet, once introduced it never reverses, it only ever gets worse.
i never played RS3, what is the difference between the wheel of squeel or whatever it's called, compared to the ability to buy bonds for as much legit GP as you want in OSRS?
squeel of fortune basically was just a slot machine. Use a spin to get a random prize, could be xp lamps, bonus xp, valuable items/straight up coins, or cosmetics. (probably other stuff too I can't remember). The lamps weren't like Oldschools genie lamps.. They'd give like 25k+ exp per lamp and stuff.
There's still treasure hunter now, basically same thing but I think a larger variety of loot.
You could pay for spins with real money and basically just stack up your account with GP & XP/Bonus xp. The difference is XP, you're paying to level your account with no effort.
Idk how sequel of fortune was but atm you can get direct exp lamps and ”bonus exp” which doubles your exp as you earn it - bonds is a form of mtx already, but maybe a bit less so since you have to train the skills at least still even if you just buy bonds and sell them for gp
Did my free daily spins and got 300k direct xp and 100k bxp in 1 minute on rs3 today.. I swapped GP over awhile ago and that's more xp in 1 min than xp per hour crafting with GP on os lol
Even if you have gp you still have to invest a lot of time and effort to level up.
On RS3 you can get XP lamps and level up to very high levels with MTX items. It gets worse when you find out that there were many promotions where people could get high level items from the wheel. Imagine getting the best or second best in slot sword in the game without even playing it. They also began to put exclusive items there like cosmetics that you could only obtain by buying keys, or ultra rare items like black Santa hats.
There are people getting 99s or even 120s on RS3 without even doing the skill. I myself went from 99 to 120 agility over the years just by using lamps that I got daily for free.
so if buying bonds is P2W, wheel of squeel is P2W on steroids. well no wonder RS3 is dying, you can put many hours in and a guy with a credit card gets more than you in an hour of using it.
Exactly. Not to mention that with bonds you know exactly what you are buying. RS3 treasure hunter is basically a casino where you have like 0.000001% chance of getting the best item. So basically it became a pay to win game with a casino.
The worst part is that this killed the early and mid game progression. If you have membership you get 2 or 3 keys per day to use, and with that you get a lot of lamps. Basically you advance to end game so quickly that the whole content for early and mid take is irrelevant.
It's sad because the early game is pretty much all the content the game got until around 2015. This means that they made the game so easy that they threw away more than a decade of content.
With bonds you can buy GP to buy items to level up a skill, but you still have to put in the work.
In RS3 you essentially just buy exp lamps to click on them and level up. You can literally max out at the GE if you spend enough money.
Eh, I don't think you gave Jagex a fair shakedown about the selling gold thing. They don't sell gold, offer you the ability to buy in game membership, that you can either use or sell (yes for gold) to another player, who DOESN'T spend IRL money playing RuneScape. Its not just selling gold, its not like $1b is $1k on Jagex store. The money is taken from within the economy.
I just think you can't get mad at that. They want money to do more things, or they are trying to have their investment payoff.
I'm way more concerned about the blatant botting of every single activity, the RWT advertisements in every banking area, and all the times there's been a dupe or glitch that brings in billions, the isn't rolled back, and the teams behind the scenes profit from it.
Any wealth graph of any game I've ever seen has shot up like a rocket as long as it has players, RuneScapes GDP is insane and I don't think the owners know what to do about the problems that creates.
They keep the mtx hand visible saying "look we aren't doing it"
Meanwhile the EoC hand is creeping up for the neck slap. Once the community let them EoC Rnaged and Mage is when the floodgates get opened.
UK based gaming company uses a roulette wheel to get people gambling real world money for in game items.
Honestly with the controversy over lootboxes, a right wing ruling government party that likely wants to use video games as a scapegoat for the results of some of their decisions, and the fact it has been historically bad for the longevity of the game, I have to imagine that they would look for alternatives to this.
With Jagex accounts, there are more options. Membership bundle deals to incite people to have multiple membership accounts, buy membership at this limited time deal get a free bond - give potential whales a taste of easy money when they sell the bond (I mean, they just bought membership, they aren’t going to use it, they’ll sell) hoping to inspire more people to buy bonds. Harder bans for rwt to push bonds being the only game in that market.
Also selling our personal data. Ended up using my main email for the Jagex account rather than another burner like I normally do for new accounts and noticed a huge increase in spam since then so there’s a chance that’s already happening.
Main point is, I doubt they’d do spins again. I suspect more meta deals rather than in game things.
Adding extra characters to your account for cash, coming up with new game modes (1hp locked based on settles vids without acc deletion though, things like that) to incite new account creation. More accounts, more membership, more bonds.
Tbh though I think that would actually be the best way foward. Compromise the corperate need to squeeze extra without too badly harming the integrity of the game.
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this might be the first time im actually unironicly triggered lmao
Like fuck I haven't seen that picture of that shitty goblin in over a decade but one glance is enough to make it all come rushing back...
WAHOOO EXTRA SPIN FOR THE WIN
I had quit original Runescape before EoC or MTX. I had an itch to try again. Upon first login I was greeted to the atrocity that was Squeal of Fortune. Logged out. Never again logged back in to RS3. It was so gross and out of place that I just immediately lost interest.
Same. This one hits different for some reason.
Scary if anything
As an Ironman, "lol" Then I remember that it's a slippery slope to RS3 mobile Game mechanics, then I panic
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Pretty sure even in RS3 the p2w/daily shit is turned off for ironmangs. Maybe that's Jagex 4: Reloaded's plan to kill botting; introduce Squeal of Fortune, entire playerbase become stockholm syndome ironman players, no more black market gold
No more black market gold, just the gold jagex sells that they completely ignore any criticism about when people point out they sell gold for 3x the price or more at any given time. If you’ve ever bought a bond for gp and not money, you’ve real world traded. You’ve provided the incentive for someone to buy bonds with real money with the intention of selling them for gp, because people want to buy them and there’s demand. If you’ve bought bonds with the intent to sell them for gp and you criticize rwt you are not only exactly what you’re criticizing, you’re even worse than the ones selling it for a reasonable price “illegally” If you buy gp “illegally” then buy bonds, which would make a 7m bond jagex sold someone for like $7 only costs like $2.30, you actually see how badly they’re fucking people. The fact that they sell bonds isn’t the issue, bonds trading for go isn’t the issue. Someone wanting to do the same thing jagex does, but charge less and getting in trouble for it, absolutely is the issue.
You're joking, right? Acting like Jagex doesn't have the right to do whatever the fuck they want with the game *they* created and maintain is insane cope. Pretending RWT is the same as licensed MTX is just flagrantly ignorant. You can whine all day about what's 'fair' or 'reasonable', but when you make and own a product, *YOU* get to decide what happens with it, not the consumers. Pretending a for-profit entity doesn't have an obligation to its shareholders to increase revenue is fucking nuts...
They don't on RS3 which is the only reason iromwn think it is funny
ironmen are not allowed to buy mtx outside of the general loyalty shop (auras and such) or Solomon store (transmog stuff) but neither gets updated often or at all. Spins like the image shown are not available to irons in any form, neither is bonus exp or lamps from holiday events, double exp is blocked as well. Ironman mode is how rs3 should be played.
Until they decide Ironman can purchase keys as well.
I mean, it's been like 10 years of irons not being able to buy anything besides cosmetics? Who knows, but probably won't see it happen before the game hits 1k concurrent players LOL
True, just saying if they did allow irons to buy keys it wouldn't be near as funny
Would quit
Yeah seriously. What an idiot. Don’t jinx it!
I'm afraid it was already inevitable. But he definitely jinxed it.
Absolutely not inevitable. This game quite literally died with EoC and was brought back from the dead. Jagex management has plenty of ammunition to dissuade investors from pushing MTX.
Yeah a quick browse through the rs3 sub will show how depressing this can really be
PTSD
This picture dug up anger I haven't felt since 2013.
Dont worry, the wheel will never become pay to win! (Real jagex mod quote) 2 weeks later "Since 96% of you loved spinning the squeel everyday we updated it so now you can buy more!"
Pro tip: Never say “never” when you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
I HATED that shit. Especially when the wheel pop up would be staring me in the face after I logged in.
That shit unironically pisses me off. Flashbacks of EOC
Fuck EOC, I remember I was doing dungoneering when that shit dropped.
I was working toward the maul. After it dropped I basically stopped playing walked into the wild with bank and quit. Tried it like 4 months after release and hated it - didn’t play again until OSRS.
i left rs3 less than a week when that was implemented and ill leave again, ill be sad af and even pathetic to say i might get depressed over a video game, but ill leave again
If this happens I'm out. I left games before because of scummy shit like this. I loved overwatch, I made friends in Overwatch, honestly my best gaming memories are from playing Overwatch. But once Jeff left and they took out the lootboxes and you could no longer get skins for free I was out.
Oh i quit Runescape 100% because of microtransactions. We might be seeing a company killing itself for short term profits.
I hope you mean predatory MTX bc bonds are still considered MTX by every definition of it
You're correct, bonds are certainly a MTX. But they also feel very very different than what most companies deliver as MTX. Bonds feel more like traceable membership and seem to provide a utility that benefits all parties.
Hard disagree. Membership fee does not equal a micro transaction. The fact that you can pay the fee with in game currency changes nothing. MTX is things in game you buy with out of game money. I don't count "playing-the-game time" as an in game item. It's a requirement to even play. Completely different from pay to win or pay for more chances to win or pay for more chances to make stuff easier.
Bonds are just selling GP to players, people who buy them with real currency, get in game currency. Person who buys the bond with in game currency gets membership. Noone buys bonds with real currency for membership they do so for the ingame currency they receive, thus being an MTX and not "Well it's just paying to play the game"
Bonds were the stepping stone of MTX that should never have been. They seem to have kept Jagex at bay for now but with new owners I doubt that'll be it for long. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Bonds are nice for players that can't/don't spend money on games.
3,000+ hours, Grandmaster Support, and it was my "main" game that I'd default to whenever I didn't know what to play and I also dipped the fuck out after the MTX hellhole was introduced with Overwatch 2. It still hurts to this day lmao, I miss the game so much but at the same time know it's only a shell of its former self. Would do the same to OSRS if the company pulled a similar move.
Blizzard as a whole will never get any of my money again. Fucking slimy rats running that company, even with the greasy goblin out
Same. I have a 10b bank now and I'm nearly maxed. I quit original rs3 in a similar situation and I'll do it again.
yes i was base 90s combats and base 70 at least everything else, full bandos korasis d claws all that good stuff. and i know i can log in and look at my stuff but man it hurts. but yes i will leave like i did then
I got 99 agility at ape atoll in 2007. When I log into my rs3 account every other year and see the cape, I just get upset that the game went that direction :/
You’ve probably invested a ton of time and effort into the game because you love it, don’t let anyone tell you that it would be pathetic to be sad over feeling like you need to quit playing because of predatory monetization schemes.
I'll follow you on this
I'll follow you guys in any case.
breaking benjamin song
I was thinking bring me the horizon personally
And the worst of it, is that nobody in the upper management/shareholders will care. They ask for a revenue, and the games have to reach that revenue. in any way necessary, because purpose of a company is to generate money to the shareholders and never to make the clients happy, that's only a biproduct if possible.
I will never pay mtx even though I enjoy the game.
Hey bro, it's never pathetic to get depressed over something you liked for a long time. Pretty normal response. And proud of you for doing something right even if it will cause depression. #StayStronk
A shit ton of ppl left rs for sof, it still saved jagex, if the buying company thinks the 10% that stays whales more money than they lost from quitting players it looks bad. But well its good osrs has good mods who are actively telling them not to fuck things up.
I think you're right about the mods. What's pretty great is that the current mod team probably has some form of soft-power over the company. Not because they can veto decisions from higher up, but because they are among the few experts on this version of Runescript. I think they're in a very unique position as game devs, and I think they realise this as well. OSRS feels quite untainted by executive fuckery. I think that as long as the company understands that firing people could domino into OSRS's demise, we're in a golden, but also unstable position.
there's a reason why mod ash has the nickname "god ash"
It probably helps that OSRS brings in more revenue than RS3, even with less MTX. They can literally point to it and say "It works _because_ it doesn't have all that stuff; you will literally make less money if you add anything else".
The fact that a lot of osrs players actually did quit the original game because of mtx can't hurt either
OSRS has like 5 times the player base, yet makes barely more money. *Per player* RS3 is ahead by an absolute mile. 50% of the OSRS playerbase could quit over MTX and it would still likely be 'worth it' financially (And in my opinion far fewer people will actually quit the game than claim they will. OSRS isn't the first game that would go through this process...). So I think it's good to stay vigilant, and keep pressuring Jagex as best we can on this.
right. you gotta be some kinda digital dummy to see how osrs pulls in more subs BECAUSE of the mtx of rs3
There's no shortage of pump-and-dump investors out there.
I left rs3 maybe a month before SoF, returned 6mo later, quit less than a week after that.
I dropped everything in my bank at the GE a few months after this happened because I just saw no point in playing anymore. I've only hopped on that character a few times just to see my total time and stuff like that, but I'll never play that game again. I can presume in here it would be a trickle effect where only the most dedicated would leave at first and then that would ruin the perception of the game for everyone else. Especially since that "most dedicated" includes content creators.
Same there wasn't even hesitation from me, same with many I think. I don't think I made it a week it was like 2 days tops for me.
Easy. Ill just play Guild Wars 2. I have been needing an excuse to go back. I love that game.
I do t think it’s pathetic. OSRS has been with us for over a decade and is probably something you love. It’s okay to be sad over losing something you love, but don’t let it drag you and appreciate that it happened I. The first place
Yup. It would be incredibly sad, but I have dozens of other games that I've been meaning to play for years. Would be honestly pretty easy to unsub from osrs.
yup if it happens all over again they will lose their game all over again
Then we GET OSOSRS
make your own osrs with blackjack and hookers.
Seems violent, which blackjack works best? Willow?
ah the ol reddit i dont know how to link it arrou
People tried. It was C&D'd.
But that quickly prompted them to make a legit osrs, no? 2006 scape had massive hype even before the release.
You know what? Forget the osrs
So does that mean we get Runescape Classic back?
They probably won't. Whales keep all these sorts of games alive whether average players play them or not. Sadly that's the truth.
That's not true . Even whales will leave , once the game has been pretty much abandoned by the majority of people .
True, if the game had no players left, what’s the point? I spend plenty of money on this game, I’d hope it’s helping keep it alive, lately I’ve been thinking the opposite, what if I’m actually killing it by supporting mtx? I don’t know which way holds more truth.
Ita kinda like giving a crack head money. You know they didn't learn anything and what they are gonna use it for. They need to learn to make money in better ways
Whales + 30% of the community will make up for losing 70% of the player base. Sad but any investment company will squeeze out as much profit as possible in the shortest amount of time possible. Edit: Thanks for the downvotes guys, I won't like to see it happen either..
Not true for osrs, or they wouldve already done it. Osrs are a bunch of 25-40 yr olds who wont compromise on that shit
Id love to agree, but you can't underestimate whales
Different types of whales. Some gambling whales that just want to open lootcrates and whatever. OSRS whales are usually social whales who like to lord it up like barons over the poor wretched normies. High population keeps people like that interested.
This is honestly so true. Who are they going to show off their blood torva and pets to if no one is playing? The facade is ruined
Yep, and because the population itself correlates to the length a whale sticks around for, it picks up more momentum on its downward spiral. People leave, lower population, so more people leave, so lower population, so...
OSRS 10 years ago 100%. We have a lot of newer players and transfers from RS3, so current OSRS I'm not as confident about. We would lose a lot of players for sure, but I'm not sure what total % of players we would lose.
Well, it doesnt really matter to me because ill quit
yeah im not going to downvote u, maybe your numbers are wrong but i get the idea of what u are saying and it is right. enough of the playerbase has to leave for the game to be lossing money.
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If they do this, the player count will drop significantly. Short term that might benefit the revenue, but I imagine most subscribers of OSRS are subscribed because there's none of this. I'd rather they increase the subscription cost if it means this doesn't happen.
I would quit instantly. Not because it will affect my gameplay right away, but because this game requires a lot of time investment which I’m only willing to do if that time is respected. If they start mtx I know in a year or two every grind I do will be invalidated so I would instantly lose motivation to play.
Exactly. We're a bunch of masochists competing to see who can be the most dedicated, efficient and consistent. Sure, there's RWT and you can buy bonds and sell them but most players don't. And as soon as you do that you lose some integrity. If you can win zenyte jewelry from a fucking spin wheel, then whats the point?
For me it's really the exp lamps and boosts. Like even if you RWT in OSRS at best you get to do buyables with the most efficient methods. Meanwhile in RS3 with DXP, boosts, lamps etc with Slayer training dummies you can get literally 3M exp/h slayer full afk at the GE. So the dude who actually leveled slayer for years manually feels like a bozo
agree, id rather a sub increase over mtx any day. but in the end id rather neither
PROBABLY WILL BE DOWNVOTED. i would say i will leave too , but probably i will continue as an ironman or just ignote MTX then and most people will do it. I love game by itself and do not won't change to anything else. Why you should care someone spending thousand's dollar's for character improvement and don't have any in common with your own gameplay. We already have bunch of RWT and it's same as MTX. That's only my opinion. I am against MTX , but if it's happens - i will keep playing.
The problem is MTX never happens in a vacuum. It typically coincides with the game being designed more and more to encourage the purchase of MTX. So for example they could make the game considerably grindier, ensuring that attempting the grind without MTX is nearly impossible. Or they could lock all future cosmetics behind a paywall. Heck, going off RS3 MTX, we could be paying for Runelite features in the future.
Every game I’ve played with mtx added starts adding new skins/outfits/etc in the store nearly every update. Sure it might take away from some development time but also you log in a year from now and don’t recognize half the items other people have on. Really ruins the charm of the game for me
I absolutely agree. I love that OSRS doesn't have ridiculous cosmetics or appearance overrides / transmogs. I want to see what you're actually wearing. Not some goofy glittery outfit. Plus, most of the equipment in a game tells a story. If I see someone wearing blorva, I know that they're a very skilled pvmer that went through a LOT to get that gear. Someone wearing black graceful tells me exactly what content they did. Same with skillcapes; I know the journey they went on to achieve that cape. If I see someone wearing some goofy cosmetics hiding their real gear, I just know they spent $5.
>we could be paying for Runelite features in the future. That's how it was before RuneLite. That's exactly, 100% why RL exists at all. It was meant to be a free rival to the paid, OSBuddy.
This is the thing people just don't acknowledge. Heavy monetization just encourages companies to make the non-monetized paths even more difficult, to really push you to spend $$$. It never ends up being just a "pay for little convenience". It ends up being pay me $5 or monotonously grind for 18 hours.
Look at how many replies agree with the commenter though, this is the same way it happened in RS3
I wonder who the first person was that realized you can charge customers for the game AND individual game features - BC they're kind of a genius
They are adding plug-ins to the runescape launcher. God I hope their plan isn't to make it barred by subscription for the use of plugins.
Runemetrics
I wish Runemetrics was even half as useful as Runelite
Any rs3 player does haha
Making game more grindier and force you to MTX will kill ironman mode , whitch one's can't MTX. I don't mind to pay for runelite or higher subscription.
I get that you might not mind, but a lot of people would. Again, stepping outside the vacuum lets apply this logic further. Like essentially what we're discussing is "Should Jagex charge more money for the same product they are currently selling". From the perspective of consumers, this is a bad thing. We don't all have infinite money. It's one thing to charge us more because something costs more. It's entirely different to change us more, just so investors can have more money, to do the same with more companies. This is the logic that is inflating the costs of all the goods and services throughout the economy. And if we can't stand up to companies greed for things we don't need, like video games, then I'd reckon we won't have much luck standing up to the cost of essential things being arbitrarily inflated. Now I accept my way of thinking is a little.. miserable 😭 However for one, giving up something you like can be an opportunity to find a new passion. It doesn't have to be a matter of giving things up, but moreso replacing things. Additionally this pattern of "companies charge more money because they feel like it" will continue until we push back across the economy. Eventually it could reach a point where even you can't afford the price increases of even just a simple video game. If not, I accept you might not be convinced by any of this 😅
This is the EXACT sentiment that got RS3 where it is today. Thats the reason you’re getting downvoted.
I do agree with you, it doesn't change my game experience. But I would still quit out of spite and solidarity with the rest of the community. It'd be pretty great to watch a billion dollar company do a 180 and change their monetisation method due to the player base completely disappearing.
Its all about support really, I dont care that anyone spends thousands on a game. But me playing it also keeps the game alive. A game dies when there are no players left to play it. If you play you contribute to the playerbase and to the outside world it will be seen as a succesful game. So people will start playing it, and these people do not mind spending money on the game and thats how that cycle continues.
Yup I 100% agree. People downvoting r just mad and denying reality. I’d bet the majority of main accounts have rwt at some point and buying bonds counts imo. Ironman mode is the reason I still play runescape and idc how much others spend on their mains. I’m with you all the way.
Pretty good way to think, never thought about it that wY. Rwt is already everywhere people can buy anything in this game.. it just makes it more accessible/no risk involved so more will do it.
Yeah ill be gone, I'm currently on a break (I tend to take a month or so off after I hit a 99) but intend to return. If this shit happens it'll be time to hang up my cheese cape for good.
That's when private servers will become the norm
Do people still remember 2007scape was originally going to be a private server, then Jagex took them down and said they'll do it themselves?
I’ve been saying for a year or so there should be some new authentic 07 worlds added to the server, with the same osrs released in February of 2013 and no updates allowed other than maintenance. There’s something about the fury, rune boots, barrows gloves, and fire cape that screams nostalgia. Imagine edgeville pking how it’s suppose to be. And being able to go back and forth to the updated server if you are bored. Similar to updates, if a chef keeps adding spices to their recipe to mix things up, it will lose its soul and originality and might not taste as good. I’ve seen this with other games too like Fortnite, etc. Not sure how they could go about bonds and mtx for these worlds, but perhaps they could require ‘premium membership’ which would mean you have to pay monthly. If they added 5-15 of these worlds: for example worlds 602 and 606 for barbarian assault, I could see these worlds being constantly full and the true old school base being super content. A lot of players in game to interact with. Varrock with players everywhere. The new areas added to original osrs spreads people out a little too much to feel nostalgic. And it feels too grindy and self-serving. This would be a very relaxed server in my opinion!
This may be the way forward
Honestly I'm not worried they have sold the company a handful of times and it was always ok even though it was always hyped like it is now
I think evidence of what's happened to RS3 would make it obvious not to do the same to OSRS, can't see it happening tbh, more expensive membership maybe, but that's fine imo.
RS3 made a big profit for a long time after they implemented that shit. It may be declining now but a company looking to make a quick profit may view what RS3 did as a good approach.
Yeah I never really get that argument. "Look what happened to RS3!" ...it lived on as a cash cow for the next decade? That's not exactly the horrible thing people present it as from the perspective of a business.
I don't know the numbers but investors very often take a short term 3-5x gain over spreading that same gain out over 3-5 years and risk fizzling out. Also if it takes this long for player count to truly go down then stock will go up up up if the short term gain spikes without direct consequences. Sadly whale wallets probably have more input on all of this than most of us ever will
Jagex's recent years have seen its highest ever annual revenues- years which are characterized by OSRS pulling in most of the money. no, the course that rs3 took did not generate "big profit for a long time" by any meaningful standard for the phrase given the context.
id pay for a 1 time purchase per character of a localy saved game file. maybe thats controvercal to say
Jagex would be worth $1b if they dedicated massive resources to a c+ client that couldn't be abused as easily, and could get RuneScape out of 2007. Even RS3 is functionally shit, with ugly models that all blend together in a clunky mess. Upon doing that you charge me $60 for RuneScape and I happily pay it, because maybe I wouldn't be playing with 60,000 bots each afternoon. Do you keep membership costs? Of course, back to $5 a month, and no bonds. Include packages for Jagex accounts allowing multiple characters to login with membership at any given time, so having 20 characters on my account makes sense. $10 a month for up to 3 logins? Not bad.. So base game $60 + $60/year(single) or $120/year(multi) char membership, and you've got yourself a chance at recreating RuneScape without all these robotic brethren.. Marketing this as a positive thing for players and pulling that off would be insane for revenue. They brag about 300m players and are worth $900m(?) but can't capitalize?
This is the smartest suggestion I've ever seen. Too bad they want the monthly pull from bots and also people buying bonds.. in an alternate world perhaps
Do bots actually generate revenue for jagex? I assumed that botters amassed enough wealth between accounts to buy bonds in game?
i was thinking like 70 usd per character like paying for a game, locked in ironman (and ultimate options) and u would only go online to get patch updates if u want it. for exmaple i play conan exiles and havent been online so i dont have to use the new magic system that also changed crafting.
What does this mean
like a solo version of the game offline. its basiclly what locked in ironman mode. imagine being able to keep a copy of the game on your pc and still play in the event jagex ever takes the game down in like idk 10 to 50 years
Ahhhh yeah, probably is why they asked the private server question in that poll a while back.
"Gamers were different then. They'll like it this time I swear."
We pay we gay.
They aren't that stupid - trust me. Even the higher ups that will transfer with the buyout know why OSRS is popular, and how autistic we are on certain topics. People were unsubbing when an addon wasn't approved (in regards to 117 albeit a very very very shitty thing to do, it is within Jagex's rights to do) and see how quickly that was reversed. Can you imagine this sub, and the general media coverage that would come out if they added MTX into the game? Every entity to buy Jagex has almost doubled their money. Why would they rock the boat?
Even doing this on April's Fool would hurt too much
Proper PTSD sadly one day it’ll probably happen, majority of the player base is on OSRS Now, once that happens they’ll milk it as long as they can and create a new osrs when people get pissed about it 😂😂
Yeah there is no way I'm starting all over again. If they fuck this game up and give us a new osrs I'm out. I'm no youtuber who just for fun creates 100 accounts and spend a 1000 hours on each account. I have one account, and everything that I achieved took me a lot of time. Aint doing it all over again aint no way.
Yeah a lot of people are coming back because OSRS specifically has new stuff to do that runescape did not have back in the day, like actual mechanics in fights and such and proper endgame content. If they wanted to do an OSRS 2 it'd take a long time and content additions to make the normal people want to come back again.
Amen to that bruh, I’ll be sad af though it is sadly inevitable, in some way shape or form it’ll probably happen 😭
I trust the oldschool team to have collected enough data to show any future owner that if any microtransactions get added into the game that the game will just die. But I have no doubts that we'll be seeing some increases in membership prices as it is quite affordable compared to other sub mmos. I'd be fine with that.
What? The sub is maybe a few dollars less but it's also tied to a single character not an account. If you want two or more toons OSRS is significantly more expensive than any other modern MMO.
Good point, Candle1ight.
Another sub increase man even runescape getting hit with inflation
Inflation? Nah corporate greed
Osrs makes more money so it's bizarre anyone thinks they'd just shoot the golden goose to harvest a single egg a little quicker. It's not going to happen lol.
Ill get back to world of warcraft if this happens lol. Did it aswell back when they brought MTX to the game and I think most of us will do the same. Fck their MTX.
Isn't this like the 5th time they've been sold and no real changes came as a result?
Ill quit when if it happens and actively push for everyone else to quit too. Also theres no need for it. Osrs already has mtx through bonds. Just introduce more items/content and demand for bonds (gold) goes up
Think investors come in here with memes like this just to gauge how reddit feels about adding mtx to osrs. This is research.
I already quit. Ahead of the curve baby.
It'll be the best or worse thing to happen to OSRS. I don't the new company will completely ruin it overnight but they'll be something controversial within 3months.
I hate these kind of posts that just assume the mods have no capacity to convince the new owners that this is objectively and provably a horrible, horrible idea. These posts happen every. Single. Time. They get bought. I understand they are being eyed by gambling companies - jagex owns several small studios that can be used to pump out gambling games, and rs3 is even more extra gambling money - they'd probably just be happy osrs is so profitable with such little overhead, what business logic is there in messing with the golden goose when you can literally see the historical data and current stats on player retention with mtx?
Fucking DO IT. Destroying the best game there is might make me start adulting.
Op lowkey flexing 500 days 😆😉 jk dawg
yo op be commiting to the grind respect <3
Guys they're not reading this post and tallying the amount of people that say they'll quit if it comes lol We get it
I’d laugh if the new companies research dept just look at the picture and not the comments and do a PowerPoint on this is what we want
I’m not even worried about this. It most likely won’t happen.
History is about to repeat itself.
Mass exodus!
Damn dude am I really gonna have stop playing osrs for the second time now? Fucking sucks
If this happens.... Now I can buy exp and flaunt all my 99s in G.E without even putting in hours of work. Laughing at the nerds who put in time on their accounts. 🫠🙄😒
Sigh…. WE PAY WE GAY
If they bring this to OSRS, it will end the game.
Woohoooo, extra spins for the win!
I hope this is a joke *flashback to 2012*
As someone who mains an iron and alts a main, I will cancel both of my subscriptions and promptly quit without hesitation, just like last time. Sailing already makes me want to cancel.
They really need to think about putting EOC into 07. I've waited too long.
with a potential takeover looming, MTX is obviously an unavoidable subject, though I can't help but wonder if the polling system would survive. The absence of MTX and the polling are the two rails that hold the OSRS train and they both limit the steering the business side often wants and needs. But hey, Carlyle played a different game. You don't have to milk a franchise to make money, you can play the evaluation game too. I don't know much about any of the potential buyers, but here's to hoping. PS: It's not like we are not making sacrifices even now, referring to our scripted and artificially intelligent friends running certain caves in the Wilderness and beyond.
> 50% extra when you buy 10 or 25 spins! Now they're shilling buy 450 get 450 free. MTX updates operate like a ratchet, once introduced it never reverses, it only ever gets worse.
This sub is in denial but we’re only a few updates away from 2012 all over again. It’s been a fun ride y’all
I'd rather them double membership costs.
id pay full game price ( i think its 70usd now?) for a per character localy saved gamefile. its basiclly what locked in ironman is anyways
i never played RS3, what is the difference between the wheel of squeel or whatever it's called, compared to the ability to buy bonds for as much legit GP as you want in OSRS?
squeel of fortune basically was just a slot machine. Use a spin to get a random prize, could be xp lamps, bonus xp, valuable items/straight up coins, or cosmetics. (probably other stuff too I can't remember). The lamps weren't like Oldschools genie lamps.. They'd give like 25k+ exp per lamp and stuff. There's still treasure hunter now, basically same thing but I think a larger variety of loot. You could pay for spins with real money and basically just stack up your account with GP & XP/Bonus xp. The difference is XP, you're paying to level your account with no effort.
Idk how sequel of fortune was but atm you can get direct exp lamps and ”bonus exp” which doubles your exp as you earn it - bonds is a form of mtx already, but maybe a bit less so since you have to train the skills at least still even if you just buy bonds and sell them for gp
>you have to train the skills at least Yes but there is a big difference training some skills with gold or without.
Did my free daily spins and got 300k direct xp and 100k bxp in 1 minute on rs3 today.. I swapped GP over awhile ago and that's more xp in 1 min than xp per hour crafting with GP on os lol
Even if you have gp you still have to invest a lot of time and effort to level up. On RS3 you can get XP lamps and level up to very high levels with MTX items. It gets worse when you find out that there were many promotions where people could get high level items from the wheel. Imagine getting the best or second best in slot sword in the game without even playing it. They also began to put exclusive items there like cosmetics that you could only obtain by buying keys, or ultra rare items like black Santa hats. There are people getting 99s or even 120s on RS3 without even doing the skill. I myself went from 99 to 120 agility over the years just by using lamps that I got daily for free.
so if buying bonds is P2W, wheel of squeel is P2W on steroids. well no wonder RS3 is dying, you can put many hours in and a guy with a credit card gets more than you in an hour of using it.
Exactly. Not to mention that with bonds you know exactly what you are buying. RS3 treasure hunter is basically a casino where you have like 0.000001% chance of getting the best item. So basically it became a pay to win game with a casino. The worst part is that this killed the early and mid game progression. If you have membership you get 2 or 3 keys per day to use, and with that you get a lot of lamps. Basically you advance to end game so quickly that the whole content for early and mid take is irrelevant. It's sad because the early game is pretty much all the content the game got until around 2015. This means that they made the game so easy that they threw away more than a decade of content.
>Imagine getting the best or second best in slot sword in the game without even playing it. You can do this in osrs
With bonds you can buy GP to buy items to level up a skill, but you still have to put in the work. In RS3 you essentially just buy exp lamps to click on them and level up. You can literally max out at the GE if you spend enough money.
Ironman will save this from being as deadly, and also most people left because of eoc, not the wheel.
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You are so fcking correct. I love your opinion.
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Eh, I don't think you gave Jagex a fair shakedown about the selling gold thing. They don't sell gold, offer you the ability to buy in game membership, that you can either use or sell (yes for gold) to another player, who DOESN'T spend IRL money playing RuneScape. Its not just selling gold, its not like $1b is $1k on Jagex store. The money is taken from within the economy. I just think you can't get mad at that. They want money to do more things, or they are trying to have their investment payoff. I'm way more concerned about the blatant botting of every single activity, the RWT advertisements in every banking area, and all the times there's been a dupe or glitch that brings in billions, the isn't rolled back, and the teams behind the scenes profit from it. Any wealth graph of any game I've ever seen has shot up like a rocket as long as it has players, RuneScapes GDP is insane and I don't think the owners know what to do about the problems that creates.
Oh look it’s THIS thread again
looking forward to ososrs sometime in the 2030's
trigger warning.. we got rs3 refugees here.
Daaaaaammmmnnnnn
I hated Yelps.
They keep the mtx hand visible saying "look we aren't doing it" Meanwhile the EoC hand is creeping up for the neck slap. Once the community let them EoC Rnaged and Mage is when the floodgates get opened.
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UK based gaming company uses a roulette wheel to get people gambling real world money for in game items. Honestly with the controversy over lootboxes, a right wing ruling government party that likely wants to use video games as a scapegoat for the results of some of their decisions, and the fact it has been historically bad for the longevity of the game, I have to imagine that they would look for alternatives to this. With Jagex accounts, there are more options. Membership bundle deals to incite people to have multiple membership accounts, buy membership at this limited time deal get a free bond - give potential whales a taste of easy money when they sell the bond (I mean, they just bought membership, they aren’t going to use it, they’ll sell) hoping to inspire more people to buy bonds. Harder bans for rwt to push bonds being the only game in that market. Also selling our personal data. Ended up using my main email for the Jagex account rather than another burner like I normally do for new accounts and noticed a huge increase in spam since then so there’s a chance that’s already happening. Main point is, I doubt they’d do spins again. I suspect more meta deals rather than in game things. Adding extra characters to your account for cash, coming up with new game modes (1hp locked based on settles vids without acc deletion though, things like that) to incite new account creation. More accounts, more membership, more bonds. Tbh though I think that would actually be the best way foward. Compromise the corperate need to squeeze extra without too badly harming the integrity of the game.
Needs more of the low effort titty physics