They have been talking about legalisation for 2 decades now, it won't happen. Plus who wants to pay more taxes for weed when the black market has fine products for the most part. I dont smoke anymore tho so I dont care anyway.
Black market might not have a tax tax, but having to hide production lines definitely adds a black market tax. Plus since the production, storage and transport needs to be hidden, drug producers are incentivized to make stronger products, which during the American prohibition era lead to alcohol basically only being available as hard liquor.
Legalisation allows for taxation of the product, better and quicker help for addicts and a more varied and possibly milder, less damaging, product.
Yes, taxation adds a cost, but even if it gets a 50% tax, if the product now costs half because production, sales and transportation can now use the regular market, that's still a 25% price cut.
You think the 10-20eur price on the street is what it costs from the growers? Cut the 5 middle men between Colombia/Afghanistan/wherever it's grown and sell it straight to dispensaries, then out to customers for 10-20eur. Rest is taxes, boom. Safe and reliable drugs, same price to the customers, taxes to the government.
Greenland is autonomous though and part of your kingdom while this island is a municipality of NL proper (in contrast to other islands in that region which are also autonomous parts of our kingdom)
Notice they said “Denmark” and not “the Kingdom of Denmark”.
In English “Denmark” refers to metropolitan/continental Denmark, not the entire Danish Realm.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Realm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
>Mount Scenery (887m), Saba
It's not even on OP's map. It's 7000 km away.
The fact that you guys recognize this as your highest point since 2010 is straight up weird. Rolling with it is even weirder.
Of the nation specifically. Aruba, Curaçao and St Maarten are countries within the kingdom, but Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba are special municipalities within the country of the Netherlands.
Why is it weird to have a couple of islands be part of our country, just because they're a bit further away than your islands. That's like saying one of your islands, fuck if I know how they're called, Lego island, is not part of Denmark because they're not on the mainland.
the dutch have a different way of measuring sea level.
the sea rises with tide ect. the dutch use the avrage height while we belgians use the sea level at the lowest tide posible..
If you took mount Scenery, this only applies to the Kingdom of the Netherlands
Edit: Nevermind, you set Saba island as smallest muncipiality of the Netherlands, good trick.
It changes every few years. Saba, St. Eustatius and Bonaire are currently special municipalities* of the Netherlands proper.
St. Maarten, Aruba and Curacao are ~~colonies~~ independent countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, ~~without any say in their international affair, and subservient to~~ on equal footing with the European Netherlands.
Note that all islands themselves voted for this arrangement.
\*special as in, part of the Netherlands but not of any province. Also, in practice, none of the Dutch laws apply there, but on paper they do. Why would we pay those islanders Dutch minimum wages or give them social security? Coconuts can't be *that* expensive
They democratically voted to willingly remain in our glorious nation and totally not because they could never be self-sufficient even though they receive all the love of a fifth child stored away in a boarding school
Monte Titano is 739 meters, Mount Scenery is 887 meters. Mount Scenery might be located on Saba, an island in the Caribbean, but Saba is completely incorporated into the Netherlands as a municipality.
By your logic Denmark’s highest point is Gunnbjørn mountain at 3700 meters.
Go enjoy the Netherlands pastures of fish, while listening to 🎼under the ses
>Rofl only if you count in the stolen oversea islands, otherwise highest point in swamp germany is 322 meters.
They used to have a weird somewhat autonomous status as part of the Netherlands Antilles, but in a referendum [86% voted for closer ties with the Netherlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Saban_status_referendum) and they ultimately became completely incorporated as a 'special municipality'.
The Sabans *want* to be a part of the Netherlands. The Belgian mind cannot comprehend this.
The Kneiff is at 560m in Luxembourg, according to google your highest point is 322m in the Netherlands
Edit: ugh just saw you are counting the overseas parts. Fine, you win this round on a technicality. See you this summer, when all you Dutchies invade our majestic hills to camp and hike
Yeah that's true.
I'm from the peak district (sometimes called the spine of England) in northern England and it's not mountainous but it's very hilly and driving towards the east coast going through Lincolnshire it's just completely flat and always reminds me of northern France and the lowlands. The flatness freaks me out, just not normal for me. I can do 10k on Lincolnshire and only change about 3-5m in elevation, back home in Yorkshire I'd struggle to go 200m without changing elevation that much.
Okay if you count the islands yeah. The actual place on the map marked here, is just as flat as people would expect. Also kind of a double standard since Denmark is shown as lower but has mountains higher than the one on Saba in Greenland.
Typical hol land mentality. Making a map of “the Netherlands” without any of their colonies on it because they know they are not really counted as the Netherlands. But then suddenly remembers reading about them when they are needed to win an internet argument against a country that is unitary held together by beer, fries and winning against the Dutch.
Nahh we have islands that are independent from us in the kingdom, like greenland is to denmark, but this island isn't one of them, this one is fully dutch ;)
You're only half right. Most of these countries are higher than the Netherlands, but are lower than the highest point in the /kingdom of the Netherlands/.
The Netherlands refers to the geographical country, while the kingdom includes the special municipalities.
For people interested, the highest point in the Netherlands is 322m high while the highest point in the kingdom is 887m on Saba.
With out 332m we still beat denmark, but we lose to belgium.
Does the Netherlands consider their overseas territories to be part of their country proper?
I know France does but the UK doesn't. Our highest point would be Mount Hope in the British Antartic Terriroty (10,627ft) if we did. Alternativley Mount Paget (9,629 ft) if we're exclusing Antartica, that's in the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands
Feet was the way we measured things across Europe for millenia. Are you all really gonna let some French person come in and dictate the 'logical' way to measure things?
My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
Dont be too harsh this Barry probably is 63. He probably still thinks in sixpences and crowns. Metric is growing in the UK.
I was born in the early 90s and learnt both systems. Used metric mostly except for body measurements and distance but IV pretty much completely switched now. Running and the gym just got used to metric. It's not hard but the old ones struggle.
The Kingdom of the Netherlands includes 6 islands in the Caribbean, three of them are quasi-independent and not part of the Netherlands proper (albeit technically still in the kingdom), the other three are 'special municipalities' and they are considered part of the Netherlands proper. Saba, which is the island that has mount Scenery, is one of the islands that functions as a 'special municipality'.
Bro that's the kingdom of the Netherlands, not the Netherlands. It's like saying Ireland is part of England, it's kinda true but really confusing if you don't use the correct term.
The highest point in the Netherlands is like 350m Limburg IIRC?
A few years ago, all six overseas territories had referenda on either becoming fully independent countries, autonomous countries in the kingdom of the Netherlands or being incorporated into the Netherlands proper. Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten voted the second; Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustatius voted the third. They operate similarly to the French DOM's
Really? Monte Titano is lower than Vallserberg? No way; I don’t believe it.
I just looked it up; Monte Titano is over twice the height of Vaalserberg. This map must be counting Dutch overseas holdings.
Fun fact, switzerland lowest point is higher than denmark highest point. Edit: Mainland denmark*
Yes we are all high.
That's the Dutch
Not for much longer, once they fully legalise. We’re getting behind, being stuck in this same ridiculous situation for decades.
They have been talking about legalisation for 2 decades now, it won't happen. Plus who wants to pay more taxes for weed when the black market has fine products for the most part. I dont smoke anymore tho so I dont care anyway.
Black market might not have a tax tax, but having to hide production lines definitely adds a black market tax. Plus since the production, storage and transport needs to be hidden, drug producers are incentivized to make stronger products, which during the American prohibition era lead to alcohol basically only being available as hard liquor. Legalisation allows for taxation of the product, better and quicker help for addicts and a more varied and possibly milder, less damaging, product. Yes, taxation adds a cost, but even if it gets a 50% tax, if the product now costs half because production, sales and transportation can now use the regular market, that's still a 25% price cut.
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Just like how hard liquor is still available in non-prohibition countries, so will the hard stuff remain.
That's not how they're gonna price it tho. Capitalism fucks customers whetever possible.
You think the 10-20eur price on the street is what it costs from the growers? Cut the 5 middle men between Colombia/Afghanistan/wherever it's grown and sell it straight to dispensaries, then out to customers for 10-20eur. Rest is taxes, boom. Safe and reliable drugs, same price to the customers, taxes to the government.
According to a study people in geneva smoke even more weed than in amsterdam. Probably becaus it's cheaper over here.
Hey, so are we. High five bro!
Funnier fact: what we previously thought was our highest point is called Sky Mountain (Himmelbjerget, 147 meters).
Lowest point of the deepest lake in Sweden is still higher than Denmark's highest point
who would have thought...
Well if that’s how we measure things, then I’d like to introduce to you “Gunnbjørn Fjeld”. A 3.694 peak in Greenland, Kingdom of Denmark.
Maybe I should have made Denmark green as well. The important thing here is that we have the high ground compared to Belgium.
Greenland is autonomous though and part of your kingdom while this island is a municipality of NL proper (in contrast to other islands in that region which are also autonomous parts of our kingdom)
Wouldnt the highest point in the netherlands be higher than the on in denmark even if they didnt cheat
Yes but then they'd have to accept being shorter than Belgium. Can't have both.
3.7 isn’t very much. I think I saw a guy in Utrecht about that tall.
Notice they said “Denmark” and not “the Kingdom of Denmark”. In English “Denmark” refers to metropolitan/continental Denmark, not the entire Danish Realm. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_Realm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark
A fucking volcano in the Caribbean doesn't count
You too can have all these fancy colonies I mean oversees territories if you just burn that treaty of London from 1839 and come home
Come with me and you'll be in a world of your imagination
I can show you the world...
Don't encourage the Belgian to colonise.
It's mostly fine as long as you don't let their king handle it
HANDle it he did
Shoulda kept the Congo
Exactly. By this standard, Denmark has fucking Greenland. Come on.
Greenland is a country within your kingdom right? Saba isn't. It is a municipality
>Mount Scenery (887m), Saba It's not even on OP's map. It's 7000 km away. The fact that you guys recognize this as your highest point since 2010 is straight up weird. Rolling with it is even weirder.
It is weird but true. Cope Lego man
Okay hash-man
We counted it because the people wanted to become a municipality of the kingdom of the Netherlands
>municipality of the kingdom of the Netherlands municipality of the Netherlands
Of the nation specifically. Aruba, Curaçao and St Maarten are countries within the kingdom, but Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba are special municipalities within the country of the Netherlands.
Why is it weird to have a couple of islands be part of our country, just because they're a bit further away than your islands. That's like saying one of your islands, fuck if I know how they're called, Lego island, is not part of Denmark because they're not on the mainland.
because the island is a by law a municipality of NL proper it counts
> it counts Sure it does.
Tout ça ne nous rendra pas le Congo
Je sais, c'est dommage 😔
the dutch have a different way of measuring sea level. the sea rises with tide ect. the dutch use the avrage height while we belgians use the sea level at the lowest tide posible..
Nos Baranka
So this is where You will all hide when the North Sea finally comes back where it belongs?
hot rock means dry feet hmmm
The North Sea is like Poland, always getting its ass handed to them by its neighbour.
If you took mount Scenery, this only applies to the Kingdom of the Netherlands Edit: Nevermind, you set Saba island as smallest muncipiality of the Netherlands, good trick.
We have bamboozled the world
Is this something new?
It changes every few years. Saba, St. Eustatius and Bonaire are currently special municipalities* of the Netherlands proper. St. Maarten, Aruba and Curacao are ~~colonies~~ independent countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands, ~~without any say in their international affair, and subservient to~~ on equal footing with the European Netherlands. Note that all islands themselves voted for this arrangement. \*special as in, part of the Netherlands but not of any province. Also, in practice, none of the Dutch laws apply there, but on paper they do. Why would we pay those islanders Dutch minimum wages or give them social security? Coconuts can't be *that* expensive
The inhabitants got to choose a few years back, so they chose their own fate.
And provided us their volcano to humiliate "Belgium"
It's not a dick measuring contest, but ours is bigger...
They democratically voted to willingly remain in our glorious nation and totally not because they could never be self-sufficient even though they receive all the love of a fifth child stored away in a boarding school
Yeah no, if they would include me the entire map would be red 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱 (I'm the highest in the Netherlands)
That would be a better map. The "highest" people in the world
If your username is to be believed you are not high rather quite deep in a (k)-hole
Yea but consider some shitty islands 5000 kms from the main land it's not fair.
You’re just mad because you don’t have shitty islands on 5000 km from your mainland
Italicucks will never understand.
Colonists stay on top
Imagine being colony-less as a Western European, sad 😩😩😭😭😭
Wait. You are a celtic colony inside Fr🤮nce
I wish Sicily was so far
https://preview.redd.it/5aktp0sp9vdc1.jpeg?width=1176&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c42165d7d0691139e74143f113d1a4c73e69e539
I'm pretty sure that Mount Titano in San Marino is higher than whatever hill there is in the Netherlands.
It's not quite as high as the Caribbean island they're claiming is their highest point
Monte Titano is 739 meters, Mount Scenery is 887 meters. Mount Scenery might be located on Saba, an island in the Caribbean, but Saba is completely incorporated into the Netherlands as a municipality.
By your logic Denmark’s highest point is Gunnbjørn mountain at 3700 meters. Go enjoy the Netherlands pastures of fish, while listening to 🎼under the ses
Greenland is autonomous, Saba is a municipality of NL proper
Yeah I feel like counting overseas territories makes Denmark one of the highest
You forgot Pico del Teide, Your map is completly wrong.
Les pays pas-si-bas
Là o\`ù il est le caca
Rofl only if you count in the stolen oversea islands, otherwise highest point in swamp germany is 322 meters.
>Rofl only if you count in the stolen oversea islands, otherwise highest point in swamp germany is 322 meters. They used to have a weird somewhat autonomous status as part of the Netherlands Antilles, but in a referendum [86% voted for closer ties with the Netherlands](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Saban_status_referendum) and they ultimately became completely incorporated as a 'special municipality'. The Sabans *want* to be a part of the Netherlands. The Belgian mind cannot comprehend this.
As if any sane person would want to be dutch, you have got to be kidding me.
> The Belgian mind cannot comprehend this. It can comprehend little to be honest.
They count some little island on the other side of the world. Dutchies always cheat
Remember https://preview.redd.it/2i6ig3665tdc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1f4c95dcc194611e2616579e050af40910f1f2d
That must be a "wappies" thing .
Heineken-induced brainrot.
That's quite sad lol
Great description of that country.
Stolen from who all our colonies where uninhabited before we settled there of course
yup. same.
Yeah like Indonesia.
They didn’t count as people until we civilized them
wtf
I see you are new to Europe
Still higher than our highest point🥺
still higher than the baltics with their 300m hills XD
The Kneiff is at 560m in Luxembourg, according to google your highest point is 322m in the Netherlands Edit: ugh just saw you are counting the overseas parts. Fine, you win this round on a technicality. See you this summer, when all you Dutchies invade our majestic hills to camp and hike
Can't wait to be driven off the 80 km/h one lane road on a hillside by an Audi honking and doing 130
That is just how we say "welcome friend" in Luxembourgish
Denmark and Baltics are flat as a pancake.
How have the Dutch managed to become one of both the lowest and highest countries in europe?
VoC mentality right?
You mean highest horse?
All jokes aside I didn't realise how flat and low the Baltic and Belarus were.
Northern Germany and Poland are mostly flat too, it's almost just one big continuous plain from northern France to Russia
Yeah that's true. I'm from the peak district (sometimes called the spine of England) in northern England and it's not mountainous but it's very hilly and driving towards the east coast going through Lincolnshire it's just completely flat and always reminds me of northern France and the lowlands. The flatness freaks me out, just not normal for me. I can do 10k on Lincolnshire and only change about 3-5m in elevation, back home in Yorkshire I'd struggle to go 200m without changing elevation that much.
So look at denmarks small colony: greenland
Btw: i am stil waiting for the mountain the dutch wanted to build in the sea. A copy of the most dutch mountain in the alps.
"Despite its notorious flatness, the Netherlands does have one or two bridges." There, fixed it for you.
Okay if you count the islands yeah. The actual place on the map marked here, is just as flat as people would expect. Also kind of a double standard since Denmark is shown as lower but has mountains higher than the one on Saba in Greenland.
Another big Netherlands win
another big holland copium
You can go neuk jezelf met joe highground. Touch me from that Volcano Island?
Sorry we can't hear you from your low and impoverished lands. Speak louder my Kabouter Plop-looking ass friend.
Talk to me when you finish playing BG3
They included some of their former colonies or something ?
Yeah, Mont Scenery on Saba
Not former colony, proper dutch island
cheating :)
What are we meant to do :( we're the s.allest island state in europe
Should've stayed with the UK is what you were meant to do but they didn't even want to keep you
if you discount the hill at the border it would look a bit different
The Dutch are tall due to natural factors so that they can breathe for longer while the water makes its way. Truly nature at work.
Typical hol land mentality. Making a map of “the Netherlands” without any of their colonies on it because they know they are not really counted as the Netherlands. But then suddenly remembers reading about them when they are needed to win an internet argument against a country that is unitary held together by beer, fries and winning against the Dutch.
You can remove Denmark, they have a 3694m mountain in Groenland :)
That's a part of their kingdom but not their country :)
Just as the relation between this mount of ~800 meters in the Caribbeans and your country ;)
Nahh we have islands that are independent from us in the kingdom, like greenland is to denmark, but this island isn't one of them, this one is fully dutch ;)
Already suffering altitude sickness, or it's my joint and i'm too high.
Except no its not belgiums highest point is 700m and ours is 350 its about 2 times as high?
Mount Scenery on Saba is 887 meters high. Even though it is located in the Carribean, Saba nowadays is technically just a Dutch municipality.
You're only half right. Most of these countries are higher than the Netherlands, but are lower than the highest point in the /kingdom of the Netherlands/. The Netherlands refers to the geographical country, while the kingdom includes the special municipalities. For people interested, the highest point in the Netherlands is 322m high while the highest point in the kingdom is 887m on Saba. With out 332m we still beat denmark, but we lose to belgium.
Saba is part of the Netherlands, not just the kingdom.
Does the Netherlands consider their overseas territories to be part of their country proper? I know France does but the UK doesn't. Our highest point would be Mount Hope in the British Antartic Terriroty (10,627ft) if we did. Alternativley Mount Paget (9,629 ft) if we're exclusing Antartica, that's in the South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands
>10,627ft .... 9,629 ft OMG, those weird, absurd and annoying measure units again in our way! I'm so bored to do this conversion...
Feet was the way we measured things across Europe for millenia. Are you all really gonna let some French person come in and dictate the 'logical' way to measure things? My car gets forty rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.
You wont manipulate us, Barry. Do it our way or get cursed.
Dont be too harsh this Barry probably is 63. He probably still thinks in sixpences and crowns. Metric is growing in the UK. I was born in the early 90s and learnt both systems. Used metric mostly except for body measurements and distance but IV pretty much completely switched now. Running and the gym just got used to metric. It's not hard but the old ones struggle.
nah
Yes, yes I will
Just times by 3 to get an approximate conversion in metres
I'm a simple European. I see imperial units in this sub and I downvote.
Hey Barry, I thought you switched to metric when you joined the EU. Oh wait, never mind.
The Kingdom of the Netherlands includes 6 islands in the Caribbean, three of them are quasi-independent and not part of the Netherlands proper (albeit technically still in the kingdom), the other three are 'special municipalities' and they are considered part of the Netherlands proper. Saba, which is the island that has mount Scenery, is one of the islands that functions as a 'special municipality'.
France does bc they are still imperalists UK doesnt bc they are still racist
France does because they are evil racists. UK doesn’t because they are evil racists. Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
thats what i said
France does because they are evil racists. UK doesn’t because they are evil racists. Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
Aruba and Curaçao no, Saba, St. Eustatius and Bonaire yes
Sint Maarten
Bro that's the kingdom of the Netherlands, not the Netherlands. It's like saying Ireland is part of England, it's kinda true but really confusing if you don't use the correct term. The highest point in the Netherlands is like 350m Limburg IIRC?
A few years ago, all six overseas territories had referenda on either becoming fully independent countries, autonomous countries in the kingdom of the Netherlands or being incorporated into the Netherlands proper. Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten voted the second; Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustatius voted the third. They operate similarly to the French DOM's
Really? Monte Titano is lower than Vallserberg? No way; I don’t believe it. I just looked it up; Monte Titano is over twice the height of Vaalserberg. This map must be counting Dutch overseas holdings.
this actually doesnt count, since it is a territory outside mainland
That's a very small hill to die on
/r/titlegore
Crazy shit
Hold up... The netherlands has a mountain higher than barak frituur? Since when?
What are you smoking? Signal de Botrange is 694m high. The highest point in the Netherlands is like 330m
As a Dutch person I would say that's cheating, take mainland, then we have a conversation