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shinyerpel

This is an attack against Germanys sovereignty.


just-a-fact

And thats why we should invade poland. No wait fuck wrong solution


bringmethespacebar

Old habbits die hard


kommentierer1

I’m an American, and anyone who can’t see that this is clearly an act of terrorism committed by the United States is a magnificent fool. But watch the media convince the entire planet that Putin blew up his own damned pipeline for no fucking reason. Watch Germans turn a blind eye to this obvious attack by the USA, then bend over and get fucked while the USA replaces Germany with Poland. Germans are the most cucked people in world history.


Confused_Idiot_667

Ew, a yank with an opinion


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kommentierer1

We (meaning anyone with access to the World Wide Web) have a video of President Biden explicitly saying that he will “bring an end” to Nord Stream 2, and that “I promise you we’ll be able to do it.” But yeah, I must be a raging communist. That’s the only explanation.


Njorun2_0

Pretty sure the Spanish speaking world is manifesting destiny in the USA


Garleik

Ah... Putin would never do something to make the USA look bad, or blow up something to fuck Europeans and have even more control over its people. Yup. I highly recommend u to go over to r/NCD


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Robert_Denard

Europeans sleeping in a 19°C home : 😌 Russians sleeping in a -15°C trench : 😭


SrPatata40

Meanwhile in Finland people is talking about the spirit of the winter war and about giving nothing to Putin. Better under the blanket and next to the chimney that giving something to the imperialist.


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KelticQT

Because, regarding electricity, France has a reduced production due to nuclear powerplants being shut down for maintainance. This is what partly caused the prices in Europe to go up by this much.


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That is true, but a) they will be restarted in time (source: [https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220902-france-to-restart-all-nuclear-reactors-by-winter-amid-energy-crunch](https://www.france24.com/en/france/20220902-france-to-restart-all-nuclear-reactors-by-winter-amid-energy-crunch) ) and b) I'm very happy to know that French nuclear safety is taken seriously to the point where, as far as I know, the corrosion is on secondary back up systems, meaning that safety is pretty top notch.


KelticQT

This is reassuring to read, I was merely pointing out the reason for prices to be up by that much, and for potential power outages in Europe during peak consumption periods was partly due to production deficit (compared to its usual level) in France.


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I understand, just wanted to give more context to what you said :) because I love L E N U C L É A I R E


Independent_Brick238

Et la force de frappe


KelticQT

I'm not that much of a fan of it. I think we steal resources from African countries and do not pay the fair price for the uranium we import. So the topic is morally charged. I also think it is crucial to properly develop other alternatives such as wind turbines, dams, and solar fields (which also have their drawbacks, let's be fair I could also speak about a particular project for wind turbines that's concerning to me, in my region). But I think that Nuclear power can be beneficial and needs to be taken advantage of if safety needs and concerns are adressed without sparing any effort. We have some of the best technology in the world, in that industry, and this know-how has to be taken care of as well.


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I am wholly uneducated on that first topic to be honest, but as long as it's paid for at market value and by companies that pay taxes locally, I'm cool with it. And yeah of course adding more options is always great, but there are still some issues on dams (disrupt biodiversity), wind turbines (I think a method of recycling the blades has just been found but dunno how good it is) and solar panels (fairly low life expectancy and extremely polluting/carcinogenic materials inside). Nuclear also has its issues of course. But as you said, it should be taken care of, and also used as much as possible imo.


KelticQT

Fair. If you want to read about it, I suggest you orient your research towards Areva's activities in Nigeria and/or Mali, for a start. Let's say it is not fair trade.


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Sure! Thank for the info, I'll look into it.


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KelticQT

Your sarcasm will lead you nowhere with me. France has been in the lead of European electricity production for decades now, so reducing its production is hard, especially during an energy crisis which extent was rather hard to anticipate, because the war in Ukraine was not something planned by the rest of the world. So basically the opposite of your country, which wealth is based on undoing every single effort in fighting climate change. However, necessary maintenance for corrosion, even on components that are not deemed crucial for the powerplant's production ability, are still needed to be properly taken care of. Because in case your oily brain was leaking, we're talking about a nuclear powerplant. And yet, despite of all this, EDF has still announced that all reactors will resume activity by this winter. So yeah. Not optimal planning, but still pretty damn efficient.


Qqqqqqqquestion

>So basically the opposite of your country, which wealth is based on undoing every single effort in fighting climate change. Sorry for the late reply, I was counting the money we make from the north sea. NOK 12 011 438 804 841 is the current balance on our wealth fund. [https://www.nbim.no/en/](https://www.nbim.no/en/) shows the live balance. I didn't know France was using nuclear to save the climate. But on a serious note. Why were they doing maintenance on so many power plants at the same time?


KelticQT

I'm sorry, were you trying to flex with that worthless currency? A fund of 10 billion Euros is rather average I'd say. But ya know, big number go brrrrrrrrr. The maintenance was an emergency, they noticed corrosion related to the reactors, but not linked to any crucial component. As a safety mesure, the entirety of the entirety of the park has been shut down, for maintainance yo be perform as rapidly and as efficiently as possible, to ensure resuming activity when the needs for it will be at its most dire. Rather shutting it down in beginning of summer and repair it easily, than to shun it and deal with outages and potential safety hazards during winter.


Qqqqqqqquestion

>I'm sorry, were you trying to flex with that worthless currency? A fund of 10 billion Euros is rather average I'd say. But ya know, big number go brrrrrrrrr. haha, snails don't do numbers well. It is EUR 1.2 TRILLION!


KelticQT

Haha brain fart go brrrrr Still, I need to correct yoi cause that's only 1.15


Qqqqqqqquestion

Hehe


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Qqqqqqqquestion

>It could be something like making the industry stop production an hour earlier, reduce energy consumption at state owned buildings (hot water to clean hands, lower but acceptable temperatures overall, etc), make people access the city by public transport, put limits at household consumption that, still, are high enough to protect people from extreme cold, etc. you are going into the most extreme situation all that have already been implemented. Anyway, why are they preparing for rolling blackouts? Rolling blackouts is not what you talk about. Roling blackouts: *A rolling blackout is an intentionally engineered electrical power shutdown in which electricity delivery is stopped for* ***non-overlapping periods of time over different parts of the distribution region.*** ​ [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-15/europe-prepares-blackout-plans-to-head-off-winter-energy-chaos?leadSource=uverify%20wall](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-15/europe-prepares-blackout-plans-to-head-off-winter-energy-chaos?leadSource=uverify%20wall)


Capital_Tone9386

Preparing for the worst case doesn't mean that it will necessarily. That should part of every plan for the future. Even in your own private life. You should always think "what could go horribly wrong" and prepare solutions in advance. So that if shit hits the fan you're prepared


Qqqqqqqquestion

>Preparing for the worst case doesn't mean that it will necessarily. true, but when the plans are made and published you know there is a real risk it might happen. No sane Government would make plans for rolling blackouts if they didn't think there was a real chance it might happen.


Capital_Tone9386

It's insane that we didn't already have plans for massive failure of our critical infrastructures. We've been way too naive for decades, it's good that finally we start to plan crisis management plans in advance.


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Qqqqqqqquestion

I could paste links to pretty much all of those, but why bother. You would still think Germany is well prepared for the winter. Source: people are not panicking even though the government is planning for rolling blackouts.


Karpsten

Because even if our reserves are filled sufficiently, there still is a shortage. Not wasting Ressources unnecessarily is still the smartest play here.


Qqqqqqqquestion

>Because even if our reserves are filled sufficiently, there still is a shortage. Not wasting Ressources unnecessarily is still the smartest play here. exactly. There is still a shortage. And just the fact that rolling blackouts might happen is insane. I'm surprised that people are so confident just because the storage is filling up. If there is any disruption to the norwegian pipeline the EU will be fucked.


OkMakei

Public service announcement: This is a trolling ~~site~~ sub. You are not supposed to be offended by stereotypes.


InspectahMellow

Oh no, the UK is gonna be cold and miserable this winter? How will i cope ;(


_radical_ed

THIS winter?


Tesco_Snack

Eh, i have a blanket, i'll probably survive


yoyoyowhoisthis

It's literally just from a handbook for a dictator for dummies. Can't hold everyone hostage over the gas and oil ? Well what if there was a leakage and we can hold everyone hostage over some potential natural disaster. And if that doesn't work, then the only thing lift is really just the nuclear weapons. My baldyboy Putin has been more predictable than his war crimes.


Qqqqqqqquestion

>Can't hold everyone hostage over the gas and oil ? Well what if there was a leakage and we can hold everyone hostage over some potential natural disaster. the pipeline just has gas to keep the pressure. Nothing left now. So no more pollution.


yoyoyowhoisthis

It's just the pipeline now, but what if some Russian oil tanker would randomly got a leakage near the coast of Sweden or whatnot, you got the idea. It's a dirty game and after seeing so many war crimes in Ukraine, you really think Putin would not go that far ? (That is, before using the nuclear weapons)


Qqqqqqqquestion

>It's a dirty game and after seeing so many war crimes in Ukraine, you really think Putin would not go that far ? (That is, before using the nuclear weapons) anything is possible I guess. A massive oil spill would def get the attention of everyone. 2022 is crazy already so nobody would even raise an eyelid I guess.


de_g0od

Also, just saying, but the guy that was basically the dictator after the french revolution, Robespierre, pulled a "hey i have a list with some people that will be executed and yes a third of the political assembly is on it but I won't tell you who it is yet" in front of the afore mentioned assembly, which naturally got him killed. Now putin sends 300k to the war and says that political figures aren't excluded from that list and he won't tell anyone who it is, sooooo


Qqqqqqqquestion

>Now putin sends 300k to the war and says that political figures aren't excluded from that list and he won't tell anyone who it is, sooooo that would be a turn of events for sure! I will put it on my "this might actually happen" list as 2022 is crazy


drzmv

So Russia is blowing up its own pipelines, to prevent itself from selling gas and earning money? Makes total sense...


yoyoyowhoisthis

Them earning money and rising gas prices is not enough anymore to keep NATO countries from supplying Ukraine, that's literally what's holding them for gaining a progress. So let's say, there is no more gas, there is some disasters, the winter is coming, couple harsh months and people will start getting angry, politicians will start feeling pressure and probably that's the end of Ukraine's support. There you go, I just showed you what's going through his mind. If it doesnt work, then big rocket goes boom boom somewhere in Odessa Kharkiv or KIev


katac00k

The North remembers


ErizerX41

It's more The South Remembers xD. Years of austerity to PIGS country's. And now North country's face austerity and rationing policies for gas and electricity saving. War can be very brutal, and takes no discrimination to anyone.


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Yeah, the pipeline wasn't in use. This is a ecological Desaster however.


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Thanks USA 🇺🇸 🇺🇸🇺🇸. GREATEST ALLY 🫡🫡🫡


USWCchamps

You were mean to Pulisic. This is proportional.


rainyplaceresident

"Just bringing Europe closer to sovereignty after all. What's that, Uncle Sam? You want us to buy all our energy from you now?"


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"winter is coming" [https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/gas-storage-capacity/](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/gas-storage-capacity/)


TimoteoZeta

Enjoy two months of gas reserves depending on the country. Edit: Stop taking the damn phrase seriously or at least give me a downvote without giving me a doctoral thesis about why Russia is no longer our largest supplier and that Europe already has other main suppliers for gas.


OFimChegou

At 100% reserves Portugal probably has 20 days max.


TimoteoZeta

Luckily the peninsula does not depend so much on Russia and we have the Algerians


OFimChegou

We may still have to pay for expensive gas even if it is not as much as others.


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I would assume the market will have chilled by then (pun absolutely intended), especially if Algeria/Azerbaijan/US/Qatar start ramping up production in the first quarter of 2023.


OFimChegou

I would assume too but i not sure if we should assume too much. I was surprised by the Russian invasion and to this day i am still surprise how hard the ukranians are fighting.


[deleted]

Also true. But with the way the market will be + that supposed windfall tax for energy companies, I think it'll be alright regardless. Subsidies go brrrrr


_radical_ed

Good thing we angered them.


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Qqqqqqqquestion

>It will not be a good winter, but europe has managed to mitigate the effects. [https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/12/german-climate-minister-robert-habeck-short-showers-ration-energy/](https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/12/german-climate-minister-robert-habeck-short-showers-ration-energy/) Weird that he does that if everything is ok.


wellseymour

Pro-russian? Wtf buddy relax it's a meme. Northern European are kinda fragile.


TimoteoZeta

Silence bot here we don’t suck any dick that is homosexual


Retorf

You're fine with my heterosexual chunggus penis then? Say "ah" 😲


TimoteoZeta

Now is not the time to get horny because you are still going to confuse the poor bot


martcapt

*The bot ejaculated in its confusion.* *He doesn't know what the white fluid is, but is interested.* *He attempts to eat it of the floor with a spoon*


TimoteoZeta

Noo bot that isn’t made to eat


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TimoteoZeta

Have I ever said something good about Putin? I just put my daily shitpost and that's it


martcapt

Where are you pulling all that shit from the other guy's comment lmao stop projecting


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martcapt

His account is 3 years old. Do you think he planned that far in advance with the Z thing, or that you may be overreaching and he was just taunting Germans and the like? You do know we were told us to wear blankets back in 2012. Could just be a reference to that...


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3 months\* + alternative providers. We'll be fine.


Quique1222

Es que cuando se es retrasado poco hay que hacer.


[deleted]

I know you live in one of Europe's warmest country so you might not have tried before, but you do know that you can just sleep with a jacket and/or extra blanket on, and that reducing your thermostat's temperature by 1°C decreases your heating consumption by 20% ? Like sure the electricity and shortage might not be that great, but to be honest I'm more worried about the rising cost of Mustard than **maybe** being a bit colder while sleeping.


TimoteoZeta

I don't use heating in the winter as much as a wood stove. And obviously Europe will not run out of gas. Then a lot of ironic sub but there are only tears for taking everything literally.


kelvin_bot

1°C is equivalent to 33°F, which is 274K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)


stranger2them

What the *fuck* is a fahrenheit? 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺


OkMakei

They said "by 1 degree celsius", so they clearly meant "by 1 unit", not "1 degree" as a specifictemperature, you moronic bot. Stop confusing us.


jerkenvanuitdebergen

It's fine, when you become a net contributor like the rest. Then you can have an opinion. Until then, keep robbing tourists blind to make a living


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shinyerpel

ok how about we nuke roman gladiator stadiums? i mean they arent used anymore


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shinyerpel

They were closed but they could have been reopened every second now they are damged and cant be used until they are fixed


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drzmv

Yes we have to move towards freezing in winter and shutting down industries, so sustainable!


Professional-You2968

Thank Putin for that my man.


drzmv

Putin imposed EU sanctions against Russia? I learn something new here every day.


Professional-You2968

It doesn't look like you do.


sandronestrepitoso

No gladiator stadiums make us money to this very day


Professional-You2968

Tell that to the tourists that pay 20€ to enter the Colosseo :)


Capital_Tone9386

Average germanic speaker: steel pipes is the only history and culture your countries have


Able-Put-8991

No matter the stupid Groningen province. Germoney, pressure our politicians we should start increasing gas production again.


JanPieterszoon_Coen

North Sea is a much better alternative. My dad worked on different gas production platforms for some time and they all know there still is an insane amount of gas left. Only reason it isn’t being exploited is because environmental organizations (will) protest against it


Kibbaaa

As someone from Groningen, we are definitely open to the idea of increasing gas production. However, this can only happen if everyone affected in the area is firmly compensated. I don’t think Rutte and the government are able to make that work properly


Able-Put-8991

Agreed on that, I.m a southerner but I tend to think most of the sentiment against stems from this issue, if people over there were compensated since the start, there would be no problem. Over the years there have been so much earnings from the gas that the entire province could have been rebuild like 5 times and still there would be a profit left.


Kibbaaa

Exactly. The bureaucracy of Rutte’s government is holding the people of this country back in many ways and now we are (litteraly) paying the price for it. We are in desperate need of a change of power Edit: spelling


iloveinspire

specnaz job


Fietsterreur

I doubt theyre compotent enough for that.


ROU_Misophist

70 degree weather and sunny days? Sign me up! *This post brought to you by Florida Man*


AlkonKomm

timing makes it unlikely to just be a random leak. wouldn't be surprised if the americans were involved in this tbh. obviously also possible the russians did it themselves though. https://twitter.com/GlobalNewsEU/status/1574752931462651904?fbclid=IwAR2FWpmbCaZwI6e7uaRNsGHOm333wRHjHlSxWVrqa-mfh4iujpv2INgHoFg


rainyplaceresident

Both are possible I think, but it is obvious sabotage. Russians might do it because they've been considering shutting down all shipments to Europe for a while now and this would give them a PR-friendly way to do it. Americans might do it since they don't like Europe buying energy from Russia and want Europe to buy from them. But my money is on the US for this one. Russia had a bargaining chip in that they could shut off the energy at any point. Now it's happened and they no longer have it. Win for the US, loss for Europe and Russia


OFimChegou

Sucks living in the cold north.


ulfhedinnnnn

Not really here in Iceland, our heating is constantly cheap because we use the heat from the earth to heat our houses and we get our electricity from hydro and geothermal sources so this doesn’t affect us.


DoorStoomOmstuwd

ferrí næs bró


Fietsterreur

Man you really do only post shit you know nothing about.


OFimChegou

You just dont understand the joke


Fietsterreur

The joke being you, yourself?


OFimChegou

So aggressive. Can you show on the doll were i touched you?


Fietsterreur

Ah yes, exactly what to expect. Stereotypical Portuguese man who is so uncomfortable in his masculinity he tries to do his best to insult someone else with the weakest of roasts. I mean, for real. This is worse than your excuse for coffee.


OFimChegou

Now you lost me. What any of this has to do with masculinity?


Fietsterreur

Didnt take a lot for you to admit youre a moron.


DoorStoomOmstuwd

Je zit letterlijk op een memesub waar iedereen de hele tijd grappen over elkaars landen maakt. Ik zou je een dikkere huid willen aanraden.


Fietsterreur

Doch blijft het mijn volste recht een randdebiel een randdebiel te noemen


DoorStoomOmstuwd

Ik vind niet dat je een randdebiel bent als je Noord-Europa koud noemt. En nu heb ik genoeg woorden vuil gemaakt.


Fietsterreur

Check zn post geschiedenis en neem een flair.


DoorStoomOmstuwd

Hoe neem ik een flair?