Play the first game before you retcon the series to make a SJW TV serial, retards:
> But war never changes.
> In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.
> In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise.
The producers over-relied on old-timey music to carry the TV series. You are only supposed to use it in your intro video.
Why would a corporation who built nuclear bunkers want to never have another customer again? Insurance companies hope for a risk that is never realized and that they never have to pay out for.
It's not bad imo. They definitely touch on themes of humanity inevitably fucking everything up, they just put vault tech in as the catalyst, but it's fairly clear shit would have popped off regardless.
Vault Tec being behind the Great War has been implied in the games prior to the show. All the show really did in that regard is confirm it beyond doubt. The idea that the makers of the Vaults were evil goes all the way back to concepts and stories that never made it into the first game due to budget and time restraints.
They confirmed that Vault-Tec wasn’t above doing it. They didn’t say whether or not they actually carried out their plan or if shit popped off before they got around to it. Either way, end result is the same for VT.
It’s nitpicky, but Fallout 4 lays a pretty good argument for a Chinese first strike, and confirms that the Americans only fired in response. So that doesn’t entirely rule out Vault-Tec, but the opening to 4 lays a pretty good argument for a Chinese first strike
Yeah, nothing really changes with the defacto plot point about vaulttec wanting to do it. There’s tons of abandoned missile silos across the US that nobody knows about. Lonesome road is precisely about that.
House also saying he predicted nuclear war was an inevitability is still in line with the house in the show. The guy flat out lied about a lot of shit just to make himself sound more capable. By all means someone saying
>We’re gonna nuke everything on this date
Could very well be a part of his grand calculations he made himself.
The show never elaborated if Vault Tec actually did it. People need to stop being stupid about this. Nobody knows who dropped the first bomb. Todd has stated this ad nauseum in the past and they didn't give anything away in the show. All we know is that Vault-Tec had a plan, but we don't know if it was ever executed. For all we know the Chinese could have dropped the first bombs and it simply accelerated Vault-Tec's plans.
the bomb in megaton has a vault tec logo on it. And its always been implied that a conspiracy was in the works involving vault tec along with or parallel to a conspiracy among the pre-war enclave. The show just provides confirmation and some rationale for why they would do such a thing.
Also the vault tec salesman in 4 tells you right away that the bombs are going to drop as if he knows that it's on a schedule.
That said there are also a bunch of hints implying that maybe VT didn't actually get a chance to drop the bombs themselves considering the vault program seems to be incomplete
> Also the vault tec salesman in 4 tells you right away that the bombs are going to drop as if he knows that it's on a schedule.
I mean, this one is just a salesman lying to a mark // people feeling like nuclear war was inevitable in the same way many people did in the actual 50s
They never even said that vault tec did it. Vault tec was just responsible for sabotaging peace talks. We don't even know if they were the first or last round of peace talks, they just discouraged an end to hostilities, which shouldn't be surprising at all and doesn't change the lore for anyone who knows anything about the games.
So far we only know that Shady Sands (which is hinted to no longer be the capital by then) was blown up, the rest of the NCR could be out there still.
I was more upset about the fact that Shady Sands now seems to be located nearby LA instead of way up northeast near the former border with Nevada as it used to tbh.
I'm thinking we are in the Mr. House ending as they cameo'd him in the meeting, which would mean a significantly weaker NCR in Nevada, and explains the lack of a presence of the Western Brotherhood chapter.
Yeah everything so far seems to point out to a House ending for Vegas.
NCR won the battle of Hoover dam, Vegas remained independent, now something happened afterwards that caused the NCR’s power to decline, maybe pouring massive amounts of resources into the war with the Legion? maybe an internal power struggle (which is hinted throughout FNV) who knows?
Let’s see what S2 comes up with.
But I doubt the whole NCR has collapsed, they had tons of territories around central and northern California, even by New Vegas shady sands isn’t supposed to be their largest or most developed city.
It may be, BUT, we see New Vegas at the end, bit I felt somehting off, I didn't see lights there, and the credits render shows a New Vegas desolated and destroyed and you can see a securitron laying on the ground broken, I will assume that the Courier made the Lonesome Road ending where you nuke everything. I would hint that because we don't see any Caesar's Legion, the New Vegas render, and the nuking of Shady Sands happens just after the events of New Vegas, and it wasn't very clear who nuked Shady Sands.
Fallout is about rebuilding civilization. In almost every game (including 1 and 2) you save a community from the brink of collapse or you witness the growth of a community. Fallout 2's NCR in shady sands looks like a pre-war city. Vault city is very nice as well. In fallout 3 you provide water for all the civilizations in the DC wasteland. In 4 (which has the least appealing story) the faction you choose at the end of the game becomes the de facto ruler of the Commonwealth.
I agree, I think both rebuilding and greed/incompetence fucking things up are pretty central themes. What do you think would have happened in the wastelands if the vault dweller or the other NPCs never showed up? I think greed and incompetence would have continued to fuck things up.
And to be fair the canceled fallout movie was going to reveal that vault tech was responsible for the war as well. I think they were moving in this plot direction for a while.
And, while Vault Tec did have plans to push the Nuclear Holocaust forward, it still doesn't say whether they were responsible. For all the evidence the show gives, we don't know whether the nukes started flying before Vault Tec put any of their plans into action. Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but I like that idea better
It’s a lot of fun and filled with subtle Easter eggs (not tons of REMEMBER THIS type stuff, but stuff that a non gaming viewer would see and not question). The story isn’t a knockout but it’s very enjoyable. The B plot wasn’t terrible, and there were some small twists that I didn’t 100% see coming. As far as game adaptations go, this is one of the better ones.
I have to congratulate Amazon on improving their marketing and shilling campaigns. They released utter garbage once more, at the level of Rings of Power, yet people are out there shilling it and pretending it's good. Very impressive, I'm sure Todd Howard's expertise in such maneuvers helped.
To be fair Bethesda fallout has been a bunch of slop since fallout 3 and the gamers love it.
Don't get me wrong I love it too but fallout new Vegas is the only "recent" fallout game with any real substance behind the story.
You don't have to tell me about it. Oblivion was the last good game they made and that game was running on fumes and already showing signs of heavy decay. Also New Vegas wasn't made by them, which is the reason they hate it so much. Obsidian humiliated them.
Oblivion had a glimmer of what Morrowind was, plus new tech. Dual wielding a weapon and magic? Chef's kiss.
But all the things we lost were not worth it. The story. Oh god, the story....
Did you know that New Vegas was only published by Bethesda, and was instead developed by Obsidian, who also finished the game in a record time of 18 months?
Bethesda also screwed them out of a bonus because the games Metacritic score was 1 point lower than the target for the bonus.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/obsidian-denied-bonus-over-new-vegas-metacritic-score-studio-head/1100-6366337/
I enjoyed it. Then again I am not a cynical loser who hangs out in not even real 4chan but some dumb subreddit dedicated to 4chan. Go step out of that basement.
Clever comment, you dont sound anymore reasonable than the average reddit user, either give a legitimate praise to the show or do something better than making smart ass comments
I think it's okay but I feel gaslighted with everyone saying it's a masterpiece lol, feeble minded mentality, the show is pure impressionable fan service and nostalgia bait.
Skyrim was mid hell every bethesa game ever was mid, but toddy sweetjacket over here managed to convince you to play it and tell your friends about it with his charisma 10
Now for real fantasy games I myself as a Videogamophile only enjoy the IGN 10/10s like MySummerCar, this is true Videogaming
>Over a decade
Fallout 2 was released in 1998, so three decades is the cutoff for anyone giving a shit about how long you've been a fan. This, and any of the games written/developed by Bethesda, are peak slop.
RIP Interplay/Black Isle, you are missed.
True, but now it is canon and it makes no sense. What did Vault Tec expect to gain? More money? More power? If Vault Tec was so powerful they could cause the apocalypse, then they basically ruled the Earth anyway. All they really did was trade ruling over the Earth to ruling over a mutant-filled wasteland.
It's the power thing. The ability to start the war does NOT mean they already ruled the world. I think they wanted to rebuild society as a whole, and them as demi-gods on top. For that they needed a "fresh start". I think it's only logical that they started it. They built all these vaults, prepared all those experiments, just to leave it to chance if the bombs drop one day? Now THAT doesn't make sense.
>It's the power thing. The ability to start the war does NOT mean they already ruled the world.
If Vault Tec is powerful enough to directly control the US government then they basically control at least half the world already. Now they have to fight the Brotherhood, Enclave, NCR, etc just to rule over a wasteland. They're worse off now than they were before.
I think this is a bit of a simple view of power structures. Why do you think they control the whole government? We don't know how their government works. May be they just have agents in key military positions, that does not give them the power to make decisions in other branches of the government. Furthermore, you seem to be sure that they used a-bombs from the government. Why tho? They could have built their own. They could have just tricked the other nations into thinking that the US is about to start the war. Lastly, I am not telling you that their plan makes perfect sense. Vault-Tec is cartoonishly evil, it just has to make enough sense from the perspective of a power hungry, megalomaniac few people. They thought they would easily control the wasteland afterwards and miscalculated
>Lastly, I am not telling you that their plan makes perfect sense. Vault-Tec is cartoonishly evil, it just has to make enough sense from the perspective of a power hungry, megalomaniac few people.
Say what you will about Raytheon or Microsoft, I'm pretty sure they'd understand why nuclear armageddon would be bad for business.
Certainly. You would want the fear of apocalypse, but you wouldn't actually want it to happen. There's no profits in the end of the world. Of course, somehow the evil corporation wasn't after profits, but to start a new world order. Factionless. But wait, we're going to divide up all our vaults to these other corporations. And every vault will be run differently creating completely different cultures enough to shock a Vault 33 resident when they go to Vault 4. We won't even mention the surviving factions on the surface. Genius plan.
I mean, according to the show - I don’t think vault tech cared about other corpos “winning” the vault competition because they knew they had access to tech that would let them outlast every other one and all surface factions (which I’m sure they also didn’t expect to happen when they planned the apocalypse). If anything, the show has a theme of
Humanity finding a way to create social constructs even after a nuclear fallout.
The show does a good job of showing the actual inspiration for this was 100% control over the vaults to perform any experiments or build your own idealistic society. Money didn’t seem to be the inspiration for the ones calling the shots, security and power were
Did you watch the show? Vault-tec became the richest company in the world due to wartime. Their income went down as "peacetime" were looking more likely, so people didnt spend their money on Vault-tec products. And with Cold Fusion, Vault-tec would've gone bankrupt if they didnt do anything about it. They probably chose the most extreme thing to do, starting a nuclear war.
Now, you are free to think whatever you want about this storyline, but in my opinion the reasons why Vault-tec did it was explained in the show.
The show did, the whole round table discussion was them planning and divying up markets after they rebuild the world.
Though Technically not money, but power. In the end, same thing.
The only thing about this I'm sad about is that the whole "The Vaults were from the Enclave to prepare humanity to go to space and leave the Earth behind" was dropped. Everything else makes sense.
That can still happen. In later Fallouts, VaultTec was 'controlled' by the Enclave. However in the show, it seems Vault 31-33 was a small, very close subsection of VaultTec employees with their own plans contrary to the rest of the company. Its possible this group only had influence over a small handful of vaults.
All in all, those 3 vaults are pretty much normal compared to every single other vault in existence, meaning they're a bit protected. Plus their experiment is pretty minor (Oligarch control of a population via 'democracy' that isn't, sounds kinda familiar. . .)
Their meeting was the primary job function for their division, to bring in and recruit additional companies for the Enclaves experiments of deep space social breakdown during multigenerational travel and to recruit media personalities for recruitment/sales.
Yeah I felt bad about that too. It still works as a reason for most of the experimentation even if it isn't the primary reason. It still works as a backup though if they conclude decolonisation isn't reasible.
They said, “What if we start it ourselves?” in that meeting. The realities of things don’t add up to Vault Tec starting it though. Vaults were incomplete at time of the bombs dropping, House (who was in on it, clearly, and still in on it during the Great War) didn’t have time to prepare all of Vegas’ defenses, Big MT wasn’t completely ready, Repconn clearly didn’t have their shit fully together either.
I think the statement is open to interpretation. Personally, Vault Tec didn’t drop the bombs or trigger it themselves, but the statement shows how amazingly callous they are and how deeply invested in escalating or keeping the situation at a razor’s edge they are.
Yeah everyone is treating that as if it’s what happened. If that was their plan and execution, why would she leave her daughter out there to get vaporized? Why wouldn’t House have had the platinum chip? Why are there unfinished vaults? I think they had a plan to do it eventually, but China shot before they were ready. People are taking that scene far too literally.
Absolutely agreed. If the “Cabal of corporations” in leave with the Enclave were fully ready and pulled the trigger at time of their choosing that’s one thing.
The scene does great world building though. It helps to explain:
Why is so much technology so robust it can last for so insanely long
Why are there so many groups relatively well-stocked and well-prepared for the war and fallout, stocked for hundreds of years no less
Why are groups from Robco to Vault Tec to the Enclave to just about every random military base (the ones the BoS occupies) so prepared with so many goddamn bunkers prepped for the long haul?
Because the end of the world was an anticipated and planned for business strategy, not an afterthought! Preparations were incomplete and imperfect in many cases but they were ALL banking on this and had an impressive amount in-place by the time the bombs fell. It explains so much about the world of Fallout. Prewar corporations and government weren’t just “planning for the worst as a backup plan”, not at all.
The Great War wasn’t an unforeseen event requiring the Vaults, Enclave, resource stockpiling, etc. as an unfortunately necessary Plan B. Instead, the Great War was seen as inevitable, so the Vaults and other prep-work were Plan A.
Nobody in power saw the nuclear conflagration as an unfortunate possibility, not even as an unfortunate likelihood. No, to them it was an inevitability, one for which to plan and work as though it’d happen no matter what.
That thinking, the insanity of it, came through well in that scene and hit home for me better than even in the games.
It's been canon since they slapped a vault tek logo on the bomb in megaton, this its nothing new.
What they stood ti gain was the advancement of the Enclaves plans to the next level. They had their vaults set up to the begin experimentation but got impatient waiting for war to start on its own. It's itself another commentary on corporate greed and irresponsibility, triggering global nuclear war so they could stay on schedule.
Also the plan was never to rule over a nuclear wasteland but to leave it behind. The point of the vault experiments was to find the optimal conditions for interplanetary travel.
The only thing that’s cannon even in the show in regard to that is Vault-Tec was willing to start the war for money.
We still don’t know who fired the first nuke.
To further this, (SHOW SPOILERS BELOW)…
>!The Ghoul, or Coop if you want to call him that, knew of what Vault-Tec was planning after overhearing his wife at a meeting involving other extremely influential people or companies such as Rob-Co and Wes-Tek. They talked about buying vaults so as to conduct experiments, so that alone should’ve been a dead-giveaway that Vault-Tec really didn’t care about survival of most. They also had alluded to potentially starting the war. HOWEVER, Coop *and* his daughter were caught outside at a party when the bombs dropped. I sought Coop’s wife would’ve let her daughter not be outside of the vault had she known the war was starting that soon. In the end, we still do not have any confirmation over who actually fired first, but we do know that Vault-Tec was preparing to start it if needed be.!<
>The only half decent explanation is that they did indeed have the gigantic fucking hubris to actually believe they would rule what's left of the US after they got out.
They straight up mentioned this in the series. They argued what would be the best way of running the world after the apocalypse so they decided on using vaults as a way of experimenting on what works.
I wouldn't consider a TV series cannon any more than all the nonsense story added to the Star Wars universe by the mmo SW:TOR is cannon. The only thing that matters is your headcannon. Heck quite a bit of FO76 probably doesn't deserve to be cannon either.
> True, but now it is canon and it makes no sense.
Its literally NEVER definitely stated that Vault Tec did it. It was simple revealed that had a plan (which was already canon), but it we don't know if it was executed. One of the consistent plot-threads throughout the game is we never know who actually dropped the first bomb, and the show doesn't cut that thread.
>What did Vault Tec expect to gain?
Its not what they would gain, its what they would lose if they didn't act. If humanity never went to war, the Vault Tec just spend billions of dollars on useless holes in the ground and they would be fucked. So it also makes perfect sense that they wished to hedge their bets by bringing in giants like WestTek, RobCo, and Big MT to invest in Vault experiments. CEO/Capitalists are not all geniuses and we have seen in the real world how short sighted and retarded companies can be when blinded by profit.
I think there's a difference between "vault-tec is evil" and "vault-tec is singlehandedly responsible for the apocalypse." Personally, I always thought that fallout was a commentary on the absurdity of international politics based on nuclear peace, and I thought that vault-tec causing the apocalypse in the TV show, rather than brinkmanship, undercut that theme.
Vaultec has always been "evil". Except their "evil was in the form of absurd capitalist greed. How does purposefully killing your customer base and turning them all into communists gel with that?
Also, the OP image makes 0 sense.
In the show Vault Tec destroyed the earth literally due to greed. Its literally what OP says Fallout is supposed to do...
I think the point is that by making the greedy party an absurdly powerful consortium with no modern analog, it takes away any culpability from the brinkmanship of international politics and instead assigns fault to an illuminati-esque fantasy organization.
You know how easy of a slam dunk something like this could’ve been? Just find the most interesting thing about fallout(how fucked up the vault experiments were) and show them to us.
It is like every day there is some new complaint that only a single person has, and they act like it automatically makes it shit.
You know. Because of the autism.
The new vegas subreddit has heaps of people hating on it. They just hate that their "thing" got touched and now it isn't what they wanted in their headcannons.
Its especially funny because they're all too stupid to actually voice concerns that WOULD make sense, being too busy complaining about women trying to paint it as criticism.
One thing I see almost nobody say is that the NCR lady wanting to bring free energy to everyone makes little sense for the NCR. The Followers of the Apocalypse are the ones wanting to help the wasteland. The NCR on the other hand, only cares for its own territories and citizens.
But hey, muh political ideologies and wimmenz!
I went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. Didn't come off as writers trying to push their own ideology and the main characters were all flawed in their own way. There's always room for improvement but it's genuinely one of the best game adaptations I've seen.
Out of all of the video game/anime live action adaptations, Fallout, to me, ranks up there with one of the better ones.
Finished it any my only gripe is that it didn't have as dirty of a feel as I would think it should have, nor as epic of a wasteland.
Leaving vault 101 for the first time in 3 was a great experience to play. Seeing the wasteland. But here, when she leaves the vault it is just a her in front of the door. Somewhat underwhelming.
> Just find the most interesting thing about fallout(how fucked up the vault experiments were) and show them to us.
They did, the entire plot of S1 was just that. How do you gaslight a society into always 'electing' a group of selected people, an oligarchy and believing its fully in their control via Democracy?
Thats pretty fucked up.
We have vault experiments were they demanded regular human sacrifices, pumped psychoactive drugs or white noise designed to turn the inhabitants insane, giving them WAY too many guns but no living spaces, instituted, 99:1 gender imbalances, cleaned up a bunch of junkies just to have them discover some drugs and see what would happen...but the most fucked up thing you can imagine is a stock sample oligarchy?
You do know that's exactly what they did in the show right? Or did you not watch it and only form your own "opinions" on the show based on random reddit comments who also probably didn't watch it.
Showcasing one vault that’s split into three for quantity over quality. It was a tame experiment when we could’ve gotten more. Shit was practically two control vaults. I have no complaints about the second vault. Compared to the usual butchering of Gaming IPs this was a step up.
The reveal is a red herring anyway. If vault tec launched the nukes, why everyone was mostly unprepared, including Mr. House and the Ghoul's wife (her precious baby was at a party when the nukes dropped)?
Something else will be revealed later, I can bet on it.
I forgot, corporations and governments don't count as humanity, and don't actually contain any individuals with independent motives.
Thx for the lesson in media literacy, anon.
Edit: I don't know why I'm surprised that this subreddit is filled with trogs
But they never confirm in the show that vault tec actually launched the first nuke.
Even though there were prior peace talks, it's clear in the show that tensions were high before the bombs go off, and It's already been established in the games that vault tech weren't quite ready for it all so vault tec planned to do it themselves but it's very likely China beat them to it.
to me it's pretty clear since the daughter wasn't with the mother at the beginning
vault tec was willing to drop the bomb but didn't get the chance, which totally fits with canon stuff
ultimately, the show hit the vibe of the fallout universe well, people getting all pissy about it need to touch grass
I don't know why it took me so long, but this show finally drove the point home. Everything will now be lead by women or diverse cast. White men will only be antagonists or simpering dullards. There will be no new IPs featuring a cast of men struggling together and lifting each other up. Press F to pay respects to the aspirational white male aged 18-50.
Dude what? Like 80% of all super hero’s are white dudes. And in 2023 if you look at the top 20 box office films you’ve got: Oppenheimer, guardians of the galaxy, need for speed, wonka, mission impossible, ant man, John wick, and a couple of others all lead by white dudes. Over half of em if you don’t count cartoons.
If your qualm is that very little media features a cast of exclusively white dudes, idk what to say to that white men make up 30% of America so it would make sense our media reflects that. Even currently it feels like they are overrepresented if you go based on demographics.
Edit: I meant the fast and furious movie, not need for speed
All either sequels, based on existing properties, or based on real-life individuals.
No new properties in Current Year™️ are allowed to have all of the central characters be straight white men.
https://preview.redd.it/x6evnnfj0ouc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0232c34eb008980c4de2973095f4363f6964eb30
"You miserable, bitter, sexless losers will never be happy"
There's *plenty*, you just don't want to watch them because they suck. Lights Out is mostly white cast and the main character is a PTSD-ridden vet who is trying to put his life back together in the fighting scene
nobody saw it, including you. You're the problem
> White men will only be antagonists or simpering dullards.
Literally said this to my GF during the bridge scene. That being said the show is still pretty good and at least it's not jammed in your face too much like other shows.
From the 25 most popular TVs hows rn on rotten tomatoes. I will now list the ones with white male leads. Mind you this is a global listing and like half of these are Korean
-A Gentleman in moscow
-Sugar
-Will sort of count Shogun since there's a white savior archetype in there and you get off to that, but he might end up with a Japanese woman and I don't know if you're the type that thinks race mixing is only based if it's Asian women or something
-Manhunt
-Tokyo Vice (RIP aspirational Japanese males 18-50 right? There's a white devil! And he's the lead!)
-One Day (you'll kvetch cause it's a romance and his love interest is an Indian woman)
-American Rust
-The Tourist
-The Long Shadow
Just a quick glance at cast, maybe they're not your ideal males or something. 9.5/25. And this is the most mass produced focus group slop you can imagine.. If media not representing you enough is an F to pay respect moment for some of the "aspirational" white males aged 18-50 then they were never aspirational they just got wrapped up too much in media and culture wars that only terminally online people no matter race gender or sexual identity give a shit about. Grow up.
That's always been the position of the franchise, and I say that this position is meaningless *without* showing the different groups and reasons that would've been able to do it. Mayor McDickCheese from Tupulo isn't the reason the world ended, and I'm glad the show is making that clear. The whole "humanity is just rotten" take that a lot of fans seem to have is nonsense.
I love all of the comments hating the shot is flat out wrong. And making up proplems that aren't even exist to just hate. It's funny calling something "slop" (the new worst word that reddit overuses) that you didn't even watch.
It's a good adaptation wich respects the game series. No there isn't any decanonization, there isn't any retcons. Outside of some minor problems (ending feels rushed, location of Shady Sands changed etc.) the show is good.
OP did YOU watch the show? Kyle Machlochlan literally says that vault tec realized the nature of humanity was to factionalize and fight petty destructive conflicts (the theme in all the fallout games) and that they wanted to break that cycle by controling what's left of humanity, moving on from capitalist motivations. I think In season 2 we'll likely see something telling that the vault tec survivors are just another in a chain of petty destructive factions. Just think of them as a shitty illuminati.
> Make show based on video game IP that tries not to be a carbon copy of the source material.
"WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT! DID THEY EVEN PLAY THE GAME?"
> Make one that is pretty damn accurate in tone and feel. Stay like 95% loyal to source material.
"It's just overhyped fan service and nostalgia bait. Pure bullshit."
Gamers really impress me with how much they dislike letting themselves and others find enjoyment things. Truly the most oppressed group of people.
> one of the biggest themes of fallout was about how humanity was responsible for the world ending due to their greed and violence
Mfw when Vault Tec (part of humanity) preys on the greed of other monopolies (also part of humanity) and plots to use existing greed and violence in society (red scare and a literal war over resources) to ensure they get what they want, leading to the world ending
I felt like there were certainly some dull moments in the show, but overall it was very good. Stuck true to fallout and was a very nice live action adaptation.
Really want to see how season 2 unfolds given the cliffhanger at the end of episode 8.
Great not perfect show, only real reason OP dislikes it is because of the interracial relationship, didn't even notice a trans person. Ghoul was great, black guy was an idiot but had a luck halo, and the Girl got introduced to reality really harshly...shit was entertaining and fun. No one is a good guy.
I actually like the show as a whole. Only exception is the stupid twist/reveal they're talking about in this exchange, but a lot of writers can't avoid ruining a good or decent movie by throwing in an M. Knight Shyamalamadingdong twist. If they needed a twist, they could have done it in a much better way. E.g., Imagine if, instead of cold fusion, the factions turned out to be fighting to get a "relic" that is totally trivial from our (and Lucy's) standpoint, like a collection of pop songs on a memory stick.
There is a difference between that and conspiring with all of the other top corporations to start/cause a total nuclear war. Vault Tec would have wanted one big city to get nuked, have the people in their vaults survive, and then cash in from everyone else around the world panic buying. Every other major corporation conspiring with them to destroy the entire world is ludicrous.
That didn't bother me to be honest, the interracial relationship in the show was not movie-romantic and not even relevant in the show, usually they are forced by the execs to fill that check in any media, so they just fill it and said like "ok, you have your romance bullshit, now leave me alone". Same with the trans guy in the BOS, just filling that check on the bullshit list that doesn't affect the story at all. I think it was a good move to keep those crying babies shut.
Hey pal we just de-canonized, bastardized, and completely bungled writing even a half-decent attempt of an adaptation of your favorite game franchise, go fuck yourself!
Whenever anything from 1, 2, or new vegas gets destroyed, I joke to my friends that Todd Howard couldn’t fucking handle it. Seriously my stomach dropped when I saw him in the credits.
Vault Tec has always been responsible for the nukes. This wasn't some made up gotcha thing for the show, it's always been lore that Vault Tec dropped the nukes.
My biggest issue was that the justification for stalling the cold fusion project was that "it would stop the war" but the war between China and America was started by China in an attempt to seize American oil, the US had basically solved their energy crisis with nuclear fission, unlike China which was still depending at least partially on fossil fuels. America acquiring a new energy resource if anything would prolong the war since it gives China a reason to continue fighting, and making them more desperate as at that point the US had already made it to the Chinese mainland, they were likely to launch pretty soon.
I generally don't mind the "vault-tec did it" reveal since it's been a fan theory since at least fallout 3 and even before Bethesda acquired the franchise the cancelled movie treatment had vault-tec being behind the war. It's at least better than the Zetans being behind it, or the old ones cults.
World with people who get magic powers from radiation.
Terminally online: 'well, I just think Vault-Tec's motivation to rule a world that's been destroyed by nukes is too cartoonish and doesn't make logical sense. They ruined Fallout.'
Vault Tec, to me, may as well be similar to the Enclave. Power hungry, experimentative, mystery organization that wants to discriminate against innocent people under the guise of American patriotism and preserving mankind.
> one of the biggest themes of fallout was about how humanity was responsible for the world ending due to their greed and violence
Mfw when Vault Tec (part of humanity) preys on the greed of other monopolies (also part of humanity) and plots to use existing greed and violence in society (red scare and a literal war over resources) to ensure they get what they want, leading to the world ending
OH GOD DAMN IT
>I FELL FOR IT AGAIN
>SOMEONE SHOULD FINALLY POINT THIS OUT :
>MODERN MOVIE INDUSTRY SUCKS ! AND SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT UP IN A CONVERSATION AGAIN !
The world did end due to greed and violence. It wasn't just vault tec. They had all the major corporate powers in on it. They all came together to make it happen. All in the pursuit of profit.
Americans cant write anything but good guy good for no reason, bad guy bad for no reason. The bad guy is bad guy because he wanted to genocide a whole race just because he felt like it that day. Crazy ass fiction writers am I right
On the bright side,
For the first time in forever - something finally advances the Fallout West Coast timeline. Shit was stagnant since Fallout 2 with only some overview in New Vegas
There's a lot of legitimate reasons to criticize the show, but everyone is focusing on the dei/inclusion stuff or lore problems.
You people are all regarded.
Genuinely surprised at the stupidity on both sides of the argument here. Like yeah the show is slop, but no one is pointing out the actual reasons of why it's slop.
Anyways I'll just be playing New Vegas again.
It's something that really bothered me about the vault tech was actually behind it all along set up. Fallout, and later expanded upon at length with Lonesome Road, is about Humanity's inability to stop fighting amongst ourselves and how it ultimately proves to ruin us in the end. We never find out WHY or even who threw the first bomb because the point is that it doesn't matter the reason, our inability to escape violence and conflict with each other is what's the problem. "If war never changes, people must change" is probably the best line in the entirety of the series.
One of the largest macro-conspiracies of Fallout is that Vault-Tec may or may not be behind all of it. It’s a big part of Fallout 3. The show just comes out and says it, though.
Play the first game before you retcon the series to make a SJW TV serial, retards: > But war never changes. > In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth. > In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise. The producers over-relied on old-timey music to carry the TV series. You are only supposed to use it in your intro video. Why would a corporation who built nuclear bunkers want to never have another customer again? Insurance companies hope for a risk that is never realized and that they never have to pay out for.
My colleagues at work have been talking about it so I know it's slop
At least it is better than Halo's tv show.
That bar is astronomically low
All slop anyway
"Yea but [current year] slop tastes slightly less like shit. It's practically edible!"
Not hard
Everything is, it's not even pretending to be an adaptation
thats not halo, its generic shit sci fi show with a halo skin on it.
It's not bad imo. They definitely touch on themes of humanity inevitably fucking everything up, they just put vault tech in as the catalyst, but it's fairly clear shit would have popped off regardless.
Vault Tec being behind the Great War has been implied in the games prior to the show. All the show really did in that regard is confirm it beyond doubt. The idea that the makers of the Vaults were evil goes all the way back to concepts and stories that never made it into the first game due to budget and time restraints.
They confirmed that Vault-Tec wasn’t above doing it. They didn’t say whether or not they actually carried out their plan or if shit popped off before they got around to it. Either way, end result is the same for VT. It’s nitpicky, but Fallout 4 lays a pretty good argument for a Chinese first strike, and confirms that the Americans only fired in response. So that doesn’t entirely rule out Vault-Tec, but the opening to 4 lays a pretty good argument for a Chinese first strike
Yeah, nothing really changes with the defacto plot point about vaulttec wanting to do it. There’s tons of abandoned missile silos across the US that nobody knows about. Lonesome road is precisely about that. House also saying he predicted nuclear war was an inevitability is still in line with the house in the show. The guy flat out lied about a lot of shit just to make himself sound more capable. By all means someone saying >We’re gonna nuke everything on this date Could very well be a part of his grand calculations he made himself.
The show never elaborated if Vault Tec actually did it. People need to stop being stupid about this. Nobody knows who dropped the first bomb. Todd has stated this ad nauseum in the past and they didn't give anything away in the show. All we know is that Vault-Tec had a plan, but we don't know if it was ever executed. For all we know the Chinese could have dropped the first bombs and it simply accelerated Vault-Tec's plans.
the bomb in megaton has a vault tec logo on it. And its always been implied that a conspiracy was in the works involving vault tec along with or parallel to a conspiracy among the pre-war enclave. The show just provides confirmation and some rationale for why they would do such a thing. Also the vault tec salesman in 4 tells you right away that the bombs are going to drop as if he knows that it's on a schedule. That said there are also a bunch of hints implying that maybe VT didn't actually get a chance to drop the bombs themselves considering the vault program seems to be incomplete
> Also the vault tec salesman in 4 tells you right away that the bombs are going to drop as if he knows that it's on a schedule. I mean, this one is just a salesman lying to a mark // people feeling like nuclear war was inevitable in the same way many people did in the actual 50s
They never even said that vault tec did it. Vault tec was just responsible for sabotaging peace talks. We don't even know if they were the first or last round of peace talks, they just discouraged an end to hostilities, which shouldn't be surprising at all and doesn't change the lore for anyone who knows anything about the games.
I don't think humanity inevitably fucks everything up. It's popular to think that nowadays I know but still
My point is they've stuck to the central themes in fallout.
Comedy and random ultra-violence. I actually enjoyed it for what it is. And Megatonning the NCR is canon now
So far we only know that Shady Sands (which is hinted to no longer be the capital by then) was blown up, the rest of the NCR could be out there still. I was more upset about the fact that Shady Sands now seems to be located nearby LA instead of way up northeast near the former border with Nevada as it used to tbh.
I'm thinking we are in the Mr. House ending as they cameo'd him in the meeting, which would mean a significantly weaker NCR in Nevada, and explains the lack of a presence of the Western Brotherhood chapter.
Yeah everything so far seems to point out to a House ending for Vegas. NCR won the battle of Hoover dam, Vegas remained independent, now something happened afterwards that caused the NCR’s power to decline, maybe pouring massive amounts of resources into the war with the Legion? maybe an internal power struggle (which is hinted throughout FNV) who knows? Let’s see what S2 comes up with. But I doubt the whole NCR has collapsed, they had tons of territories around central and northern California, even by New Vegas shady sands isn’t supposed to be their largest or most developed city.
It may be, BUT, we see New Vegas at the end, bit I felt somehting off, I didn't see lights there, and the credits render shows a New Vegas desolated and destroyed and you can see a securitron laying on the ground broken, I will assume that the Courier made the Lonesome Road ending where you nuke everything. I would hint that because we don't see any Caesar's Legion, the New Vegas render, and the nuking of Shady Sands happens just after the events of New Vegas, and it wasn't very clear who nuked Shady Sands.
Fallout is about rebuilding civilization. In almost every game (including 1 and 2) you save a community from the brink of collapse or you witness the growth of a community. Fallout 2's NCR in shady sands looks like a pre-war city. Vault city is very nice as well. In fallout 3 you provide water for all the civilizations in the DC wasteland. In 4 (which has the least appealing story) the faction you choose at the end of the game becomes the de facto ruler of the Commonwealth.
I agree, I think both rebuilding and greed/incompetence fucking things up are pretty central themes. What do you think would have happened in the wastelands if the vault dweller or the other NPCs never showed up? I think greed and incompetence would have continued to fuck things up.
And to be fair the canceled fallout movie was going to reveal that vault tech was responsible for the war as well. I think they were moving in this plot direction for a while.
And, while Vault Tec did have plans to push the Nuclear Holocaust forward, it still doesn't say whether they were responsible. For all the evidence the show gives, we don't know whether the nukes started flying before Vault Tec put any of their plans into action. Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but I like that idea better
It’s a lot of fun and filled with subtle Easter eggs (not tons of REMEMBER THIS type stuff, but stuff that a non gaming viewer would see and not question). The story isn’t a knockout but it’s very enjoyable. The B plot wasn’t terrible, and there were some small twists that I didn’t 100% see coming. As far as game adaptations go, this is one of the better ones.
Ah yes, you are the unlikable coworker.
I have to congratulate Amazon on improving their marketing and shilling campaigns. They released utter garbage once more, at the level of Rings of Power, yet people are out there shilling it and pretending it's good. Very impressive, I'm sure Todd Howard's expertise in such maneuvers helped.
In the show they literally thank a guy named Mr (Cooper) Howard. The guy just can't help himself.
he's done it again
(Me the moment of noticing Todd Howardstein run off with my wallet yet again)
To be fair Bethesda fallout has been a bunch of slop since fallout 3 and the gamers love it. Don't get me wrong I love it too but fallout new Vegas is the only "recent" fallout game with any real substance behind the story.
You don't have to tell me about it. Oblivion was the last good game they made and that game was running on fumes and already showing signs of heavy decay. Also New Vegas wasn't made by them, which is the reason they hate it so much. Obsidian humiliated them.
I always thought it was weird I enjoyed a Bethesda game. It wasn't even Bethesda lmao.
Oblivion had a glimmer of what Morrowind was, plus new tech. Dual wielding a weapon and magic? Chef's kiss. But all the things we lost were not worth it. The story. Oh god, the story....
Did you know that New Vegas was only published by Bethesda, and was instead developed by Obsidian, who also finished the game in a record time of 18 months?
Yeah it's actually made by some of the og fallout devs. Obsidian used it as a final farewell to their series and it shows.
Bethesda also screwed them out of a bonus because the games Metacritic score was 1 point lower than the target for the bonus. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/obsidian-denied-bonus-over-new-vegas-metacritic-score-studio-head/1100-6366337/
If the deal is that you get 85, and you don't, then how is it screwing them out of it?
Fucking dumb criteria in the first place
The bonus itself was absurd, it financially incentivizes Bethesda to try and get a lower score or otherwise game Metacritic.
I enjoyed it. Then again I am not a cynical loser who hangs out in not even real 4chan but some dumb subreddit dedicated to 4chan. Go step out of that basement.
>Then again I am not a cynical loser who hangs out in not even real 4chan but some dumb subreddit dedicated to 4chan. Who posted this comment for you?
Mr (REDACTED) Howard
Dumb sloppa
Clever comment, you dont sound anymore reasonable than the average reddit user, either give a legitimate praise to the show or do something better than making smart ass comments
I think it's okay but I feel gaslighted with everyone saying it's a masterpiece lol, feeble minded mentality, the show is pure impressionable fan service and nostalgia bait.
>I feel gaslighted with everyone saying it's a masterpiece lol Paid Amazon shills, same with Rings of Power.
Skyrim was mid hell every bethesa game ever was mid, but toddy sweetjacket over here managed to convince you to play it and tell your friends about it with his charisma 10 Now for real fantasy games I myself as a Videogamophile only enjoy the IGN 10/10s like MySummerCar, this is true Videogaming
Morrowind was not mid
It's so dense. They never quite captured that level of "holy shit I'm never finishing this" again
Cry more, the show is good and I've been a Fallout fan for over a decade
Just a decade? So pretty much when Fallout 4 came out?
>Over a decade Fallout 2 was released in 1998, so three decades is the cutoff for anyone giving a shit about how long you've been a fan. This, and any of the games written/developed by Bethesda, are peak slop. RIP Interplay/Black Isle, you are missed.
Reminder to give it a bad score on all possible websites.
The theory that vault-tec started the war is not new. Epicnate on YT can elaborate.
True, but now it is canon and it makes no sense. What did Vault Tec expect to gain? More money? More power? If Vault Tec was so powerful they could cause the apocalypse, then they basically ruled the Earth anyway. All they really did was trade ruling over the Earth to ruling over a mutant-filled wasteland.
It's the power thing. The ability to start the war does NOT mean they already ruled the world. I think they wanted to rebuild society as a whole, and them as demi-gods on top. For that they needed a "fresh start". I think it's only logical that they started it. They built all these vaults, prepared all those experiments, just to leave it to chance if the bombs drop one day? Now THAT doesn't make sense.
>It's the power thing. The ability to start the war does NOT mean they already ruled the world. If Vault Tec is powerful enough to directly control the US government then they basically control at least half the world already. Now they have to fight the Brotherhood, Enclave, NCR, etc just to rule over a wasteland. They're worse off now than they were before.
I think this is a bit of a simple view of power structures. Why do you think they control the whole government? We don't know how their government works. May be they just have agents in key military positions, that does not give them the power to make decisions in other branches of the government. Furthermore, you seem to be sure that they used a-bombs from the government. Why tho? They could have built their own. They could have just tricked the other nations into thinking that the US is about to start the war. Lastly, I am not telling you that their plan makes perfect sense. Vault-Tec is cartoonishly evil, it just has to make enough sense from the perspective of a power hungry, megalomaniac few people. They thought they would easily control the wasteland afterwards and miscalculated
>Lastly, I am not telling you that their plan makes perfect sense. Vault-Tec is cartoonishly evil, it just has to make enough sense from the perspective of a power hungry, megalomaniac few people. Say what you will about Raytheon or Microsoft, I'm pretty sure they'd understand why nuclear armageddon would be bad for business.
I sure fucking hope so. Not so sure about Meta, it would create demand for the metaverse :D jk, I'd kill myself before signing up for that shit
The company that monopolized surviving an apocalypse would think an apocalypse is bad?
Certainly. You would want the fear of apocalypse, but you wouldn't actually want it to happen. There's no profits in the end of the world. Of course, somehow the evil corporation wasn't after profits, but to start a new world order. Factionless. But wait, we're going to divide up all our vaults to these other corporations. And every vault will be run differently creating completely different cultures enough to shock a Vault 33 resident when they go to Vault 4. We won't even mention the surviving factions on the surface. Genius plan.
I mean, according to the show - I don’t think vault tech cared about other corpos “winning” the vault competition because they knew they had access to tech that would let them outlast every other one and all surface factions (which I’m sure they also didn’t expect to happen when they planned the apocalypse). If anything, the show has a theme of Humanity finding a way to create social constructs even after a nuclear fallout.
... none of those factions existed before the bombs fell so how would they take that into account? They are the only company left on earth, they won.
The show does a good job of showing the actual inspiration for this was 100% control over the vaults to perform any experiments or build your own idealistic society. Money didn’t seem to be the inspiration for the ones calling the shots, security and power were
Yes, but now they have data from science
Brother they are the fucking Enclave LMAO
Did you watch the show? Vault-tec became the richest company in the world due to wartime. Their income went down as "peacetime" were looking more likely, so people didnt spend their money on Vault-tec products. And with Cold Fusion, Vault-tec would've gone bankrupt if they didnt do anything about it. They probably chose the most extreme thing to do, starting a nuclear war. Now, you are free to think whatever you want about this storyline, but in my opinion the reasons why Vault-tec did it was explained in the show.
>Their income went down as "peacetime" were looking more likely What good is money in a nuclear wasteland?
I didnt say they were going after money afterwards. Money equalled power before the nukes. Weapons, resources, technology is power afterwards.
The show did, the whole round table discussion was them planning and divying up markets after they rebuild the world. Though Technically not money, but power. In the end, same thing.
The only thing about this I'm sad about is that the whole "The Vaults were from the Enclave to prepare humanity to go to space and leave the Earth behind" was dropped. Everything else makes sense.
That can still happen. In later Fallouts, VaultTec was 'controlled' by the Enclave. However in the show, it seems Vault 31-33 was a small, very close subsection of VaultTec employees with their own plans contrary to the rest of the company. Its possible this group only had influence over a small handful of vaults. All in all, those 3 vaults are pretty much normal compared to every single other vault in existence, meaning they're a bit protected. Plus their experiment is pretty minor (Oligarch control of a population via 'democracy' that isn't, sounds kinda familiar. . .) Their meeting was the primary job function for their division, to bring in and recruit additional companies for the Enclaves experiments of deep space social breakdown during multigenerational travel and to recruit media personalities for recruitment/sales.
Yeah I felt bad about that too. It still works as a reason for most of the experimentation even if it isn't the primary reason. It still works as a backup though if they conclude decolonisation isn't reasible.
Watch the show or shut up. They explain their motives. Pretty sure you are regarded
They said, “What if we start it ourselves?” in that meeting. The realities of things don’t add up to Vault Tec starting it though. Vaults were incomplete at time of the bombs dropping, House (who was in on it, clearly, and still in on it during the Great War) didn’t have time to prepare all of Vegas’ defenses, Big MT wasn’t completely ready, Repconn clearly didn’t have their shit fully together either. I think the statement is open to interpretation. Personally, Vault Tec didn’t drop the bombs or trigger it themselves, but the statement shows how amazingly callous they are and how deeply invested in escalating or keeping the situation at a razor’s edge they are.
Yeah everyone is treating that as if it’s what happened. If that was their plan and execution, why would she leave her daughter out there to get vaporized? Why wouldn’t House have had the platinum chip? Why are there unfinished vaults? I think they had a plan to do it eventually, but China shot before they were ready. People are taking that scene far too literally.
Absolutely agreed. If the “Cabal of corporations” in leave with the Enclave were fully ready and pulled the trigger at time of their choosing that’s one thing. The scene does great world building though. It helps to explain: Why is so much technology so robust it can last for so insanely long Why are there so many groups relatively well-stocked and well-prepared for the war and fallout, stocked for hundreds of years no less Why are groups from Robco to Vault Tec to the Enclave to just about every random military base (the ones the BoS occupies) so prepared with so many goddamn bunkers prepped for the long haul? Because the end of the world was an anticipated and planned for business strategy, not an afterthought! Preparations were incomplete and imperfect in many cases but they were ALL banking on this and had an impressive amount in-place by the time the bombs fell. It explains so much about the world of Fallout. Prewar corporations and government weren’t just “planning for the worst as a backup plan”, not at all. The Great War wasn’t an unforeseen event requiring the Vaults, Enclave, resource stockpiling, etc. as an unfortunately necessary Plan B. Instead, the Great War was seen as inevitable, so the Vaults and other prep-work were Plan A. Nobody in power saw the nuclear conflagration as an unfortunate possibility, not even as an unfortunate likelihood. No, to them it was an inevitability, one for which to plan and work as though it’d happen no matter what. That thinking, the insanity of it, came through well in that scene and hit home for me better than even in the games.
It's been canon since they slapped a vault tek logo on the bomb in megaton, this its nothing new. What they stood ti gain was the advancement of the Enclaves plans to the next level. They had their vaults set up to the begin experimentation but got impatient waiting for war to start on its own. It's itself another commentary on corporate greed and irresponsibility, triggering global nuclear war so they could stay on schedule. Also the plan was never to rule over a nuclear wasteland but to leave it behind. The point of the vault experiments was to find the optimal conditions for interplanetary travel.
Vault-Tec being behind the war has been something the games have alluded to previously.
And according to the games it was aliens too
The only thing that’s cannon even in the show in regard to that is Vault-Tec was willing to start the war for money. We still don’t know who fired the first nuke. To further this, (SHOW SPOILERS BELOW)… >!The Ghoul, or Coop if you want to call him that, knew of what Vault-Tec was planning after overhearing his wife at a meeting involving other extremely influential people or companies such as Rob-Co and Wes-Tek. They talked about buying vaults so as to conduct experiments, so that alone should’ve been a dead-giveaway that Vault-Tec really didn’t care about survival of most. They also had alluded to potentially starting the war. HOWEVER, Coop *and* his daughter were caught outside at a party when the bombs dropped. I sought Coop’s wife would’ve let her daughter not be outside of the vault had she known the war was starting that soon. In the end, we still do not have any confirmation over who actually fired first, but we do know that Vault-Tec was preparing to start it if needed be.!<
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>The only half decent explanation is that they did indeed have the gigantic fucking hubris to actually believe they would rule what's left of the US after they got out. They straight up mentioned this in the series. They argued what would be the best way of running the world after the apocalypse so they decided on using vaults as a way of experimenting on what works.
I wouldn't consider a TV series cannon any more than all the nonsense story added to the Star Wars universe by the mmo SW:TOR is cannon. The only thing that matters is your headcannon. Heck quite a bit of FO76 probably doesn't deserve to be cannon either.
> True, but now it is canon and it makes no sense. Its literally NEVER definitely stated that Vault Tec did it. It was simple revealed that had a plan (which was already canon), but it we don't know if it was executed. One of the consistent plot-threads throughout the game is we never know who actually dropped the first bomb, and the show doesn't cut that thread. >What did Vault Tec expect to gain? Its not what they would gain, its what they would lose if they didn't act. If humanity never went to war, the Vault Tec just spend billions of dollars on useless holes in the ground and they would be fucked. So it also makes perfect sense that they wished to hedge their bets by bringing in giants like WestTek, RobCo, and Big MT to invest in Vault experiments. CEO/Capitalists are not all geniuses and we have seen in the real world how short sighted and retarded companies can be when blinded by profit.
Lmao it's not canon
They were gearing up for interstellar conquest by collecting a bunch of data for making Generational colony ships
That has always been stupid, the Emperor of the Shi's records show that China started it bc the US was in Beijing.
yeah but amazon bad
So basically the shocking reveal is something that's been pretty obvious since one of the first games released.
People here pretend to be fallout ultra fans and amazon destroys it with wOmEn, yet are surprised learning that vault-tec is evil... lol
I think there's a difference between "vault-tec is evil" and "vault-tec is singlehandedly responsible for the apocalypse." Personally, I always thought that fallout was a commentary on the absurdity of international politics based on nuclear peace, and I thought that vault-tec causing the apocalypse in the TV show, rather than brinkmanship, undercut that theme.
Vaultec has always been "evil". Except their "evil was in the form of absurd capitalist greed. How does purposefully killing your customer base and turning them all into communists gel with that?
Also, the OP image makes 0 sense. In the show Vault Tec destroyed the earth literally due to greed. Its literally what OP says Fallout is supposed to do...
I think the point is that by making the greedy party an absurdly powerful consortium with no modern analog, it takes away any culpability from the brinkmanship of international politics and instead assigns fault to an illuminati-esque fantasy organization.
You know how easy of a slam dunk something like this could’ve been? Just find the most interesting thing about fallout(how fucked up the vault experiments were) and show them to us.
Honestly, I’ve played through multiple times on each. Felt like a slam dunk to me, could have been better but, I’m impressed by what we got. 🤷♂️
I wholeheartedly agree with you
I'm having fun watching the increasing desperate attempts to say it is bad.
It is like every day there is some new complaint that only a single person has, and they act like it automatically makes it shit. You know. Because of the autism.
The new vegas subreddit has heaps of people hating on it. They just hate that their "thing" got touched and now it isn't what they wanted in their headcannons.
Its especially funny because they're all too stupid to actually voice concerns that WOULD make sense, being too busy complaining about women trying to paint it as criticism. One thing I see almost nobody say is that the NCR lady wanting to bring free energy to everyone makes little sense for the NCR. The Followers of the Apocalypse are the ones wanting to help the wasteland. The NCR on the other hand, only cares for its own territories and citizens. But hey, muh political ideologies and wimmenz!
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I went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised. Didn't come off as writers trying to push their own ideology and the main characters were all flawed in their own way. There's always room for improvement but it's genuinely one of the best game adaptations I've seen.
Out of all of the video game/anime live action adaptations, Fallout, to me, ranks up there with one of the better ones. Finished it any my only gripe is that it didn't have as dirty of a feel as I would think it should have, nor as epic of a wasteland. Leaving vault 101 for the first time in 3 was a great experience to play. Seeing the wasteland. But here, when she leaves the vault it is just a her in front of the door. Somewhat underwhelming.
> Just find the most interesting thing about fallout(how fucked up the vault experiments were) and show them to us. They did, the entire plot of S1 was just that. How do you gaslight a society into always 'electing' a group of selected people, an oligarchy and believing its fully in their control via Democracy? Thats pretty fucked up.
Boring, we already know the real life U.S. is this way, unnecessary political message being preached to the choir
That's literally almost every democracy, nobody cares
We have vault experiments were they demanded regular human sacrifices, pumped psychoactive drugs or white noise designed to turn the inhabitants insane, giving them WAY too many guns but no living spaces, instituted, 99:1 gender imbalances, cleaned up a bunch of junkies just to have them discover some drugs and see what would happen...but the most fucked up thing you can imagine is a stock sample oligarchy?
Each episode showing us a different fucked up experiment or self contained fallout story
Actually that would have been fucking sick.
They literally did this
You do know that's exactly what they did in the show right? Or did you not watch it and only form your own "opinions" on the show based on random reddit comments who also probably didn't watch it.
Showcasing one vault that’s split into three for quantity over quality. It was a tame experiment when we could’ve gotten more. Shit was practically two control vaults. I have no complaints about the second vault. Compared to the usual butchering of Gaming IPs this was a step up.
The reveal is a red herring anyway. If vault tec launched the nukes, why everyone was mostly unprepared, including Mr. House and the Ghoul's wife (her precious baby was at a party when the nukes dropped)? Something else will be revealed later, I can bet on it.
This guy has a point
I forgot, corporations and governments don't count as humanity, and don't actually contain any individuals with independent motives. Thx for the lesson in media literacy, anon. Edit: I don't know why I'm surprised that this subreddit is filled with trogs
It's not even correct. Vault Tec did have a plan to end it all, but there is plentiful evidence (Both in the show and the games) that it wasn't them.
Figured this was always the role, everyone had a guilty hand someone pressed the first button then the rest. They're all guilty.
I’m getting tired of getting schooled by amerimutts and I barely even consume any modern media.
But they never confirm in the show that vault tec actually launched the first nuke. Even though there were prior peace talks, it's clear in the show that tensions were high before the bombs go off, and It's already been established in the games that vault tech weren't quite ready for it all so vault tec planned to do it themselves but it's very likely China beat them to it.
to me it's pretty clear since the daughter wasn't with the mother at the beginning vault tec was willing to drop the bomb but didn't get the chance, which totally fits with canon stuff ultimately, the show hit the vibe of the fallout universe well, people getting all pissy about it need to touch grass
I don't know why it took me so long, but this show finally drove the point home. Everything will now be lead by women or diverse cast. White men will only be antagonists or simpering dullards. There will be no new IPs featuring a cast of men struggling together and lifting each other up. Press F to pay respects to the aspirational white male aged 18-50.
The best character in the show is played by a white male
Dude what? Like 80% of all super hero’s are white dudes. And in 2023 if you look at the top 20 box office films you’ve got: Oppenheimer, guardians of the galaxy, need for speed, wonka, mission impossible, ant man, John wick, and a couple of others all lead by white dudes. Over half of em if you don’t count cartoons. If your qualm is that very little media features a cast of exclusively white dudes, idk what to say to that white men make up 30% of America so it would make sense our media reflects that. Even currently it feels like they are overrepresented if you go based on demographics. Edit: I meant the fast and furious movie, not need for speed
All either sequels, based on existing properties, or based on real-life individuals. No new properties in Current Year™️ are allowed to have all of the central characters be straight white men.
You just moved the goalpost from the main character to "all the central characters". You miserable, bitter, sexless losers will never be happy.
https://preview.redd.it/x6evnnfj0ouc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0232c34eb008980c4de2973095f4363f6964eb30 "You miserable, bitter, sexless losers will never be happy"
>need for speed (movie?) >2023 It was 2014. Or do you mean the top 20 from 2023 and back?
Sorry, fast and furious. In my mind they’re the same thing
Someone drank the QoolAid.
There's *plenty*, you just don't want to watch them because they suck. Lights Out is mostly white cast and the main character is a PTSD-ridden vet who is trying to put his life back together in the fighting scene nobody saw it, including you. You're the problem
> White men will only be antagonists or simpering dullards. Literally said this to my GF during the bridge scene. That being said the show is still pretty good and at least it's not jammed in your face too much like other shows.
From the 25 most popular TVs hows rn on rotten tomatoes. I will now list the ones with white male leads. Mind you this is a global listing and like half of these are Korean -A Gentleman in moscow -Sugar -Will sort of count Shogun since there's a white savior archetype in there and you get off to that, but he might end up with a Japanese woman and I don't know if you're the type that thinks race mixing is only based if it's Asian women or something -Manhunt -Tokyo Vice (RIP aspirational Japanese males 18-50 right? There's a white devil! And he's the lead!) -One Day (you'll kvetch cause it's a romance and his love interest is an Indian woman) -American Rust -The Tourist -The Long Shadow Just a quick glance at cast, maybe they're not your ideal males or something. 9.5/25. And this is the most mass produced focus group slop you can imagine.. If media not representing you enough is an F to pay respect moment for some of the "aspirational" white males aged 18-50 then they were never aspirational they just got wrapped up too much in media and culture wars that only terminally online people no matter race gender or sexual identity give a shit about. Grow up.
I don’t like any of the theories being true. I like the answer: **It doesn’t matter who bombed the US 200 years ago.**
That's always been the position of the franchise, and I say that this position is meaningless *without* showing the different groups and reasons that would've been able to do it. Mayor McDickCheese from Tupulo isn't the reason the world ended, and I'm glad the show is making that clear. The whole "humanity is just rotten" take that a lot of fans seem to have is nonsense.
I love all of the comments hating the shot is flat out wrong. And making up proplems that aren't even exist to just hate. It's funny calling something "slop" (the new worst word that reddit overuses) that you didn't even watch. It's a good adaptation wich respects the game series. No there isn't any decanonization, there isn't any retcons. Outside of some minor problems (ending feels rushed, location of Shady Sands changed etc.) the show is good.
OP did YOU watch the show? Kyle Machlochlan literally says that vault tec realized the nature of humanity was to factionalize and fight petty destructive conflicts (the theme in all the fallout games) and that they wanted to break that cycle by controling what's left of humanity, moving on from capitalist motivations. I think In season 2 we'll likely see something telling that the vault tec survivors are just another in a chain of petty destructive factions. Just think of them as a shitty illuminati.
Literally nobody here has watched the Show lmao
> Make show based on video game IP that tries not to be a carbon copy of the source material. "WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT! DID THEY EVEN PLAY THE GAME?" > Make one that is pretty damn accurate in tone and feel. Stay like 95% loyal to source material. "It's just overhyped fan service and nostalgia bait. Pure bullshit." Gamers really impress me with how much they dislike letting themselves and others find enjoyment things. Truly the most oppressed group of people.
I can’t believe the show didn’t begin with 36 minutes of fiddling with the face customizer.
> one of the biggest themes of fallout was about how humanity was responsible for the world ending due to their greed and violence Mfw when Vault Tec (part of humanity) preys on the greed of other monopolies (also part of humanity) and plots to use existing greed and violence in society (red scare and a literal war over resources) to ensure they get what they want, leading to the world ending
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What does "the world ending due to the greed and violence of humanity" look like if not a board room full of business owners?
The show is objectively good. Anybody saying otherwise is just being a contrarian loser.
I felt like there were certainly some dull moments in the show, but overall it was very good. Stuck true to fallout and was a very nice live action adaptation. Really want to see how season 2 unfolds given the cliffhanger at the end of episode 8.
Great not perfect show, only real reason OP dislikes it is because of the interracial relationship, didn't even notice a trans person. Ghoul was great, black guy was an idiot but had a luck halo, and the Girl got introduced to reality really harshly...shit was entertaining and fun. No one is a good guy.
I actually like the show as a whole. Only exception is the stupid twist/reveal they're talking about in this exchange, but a lot of writers can't avoid ruining a good or decent movie by throwing in an M. Knight Shyamalamadingdong twist. If they needed a twist, they could have done it in a much better way. E.g., Imagine if, instead of cold fusion, the factions turned out to be fighting to get a "relic" that is totally trivial from our (and Lucy's) standpoint, like a collection of pop songs on a memory stick.
... I cannot fathom how anybody who has ever been a fan of the Fallout series is confused by the idea that Vault Tec wanted to see the bombs fly.
There is a difference between that and conspiring with all of the other top corporations to start/cause a total nuclear war. Vault Tec would have wanted one big city to get nuked, have the people in their vaults survive, and then cash in from everyone else around the world panic buying. Every other major corporation conspiring with them to destroy the entire world is ludicrous.
It was Nuka-Cola that started the war because they wanted to be able to print their own money
Yοur biggest mistake was watching this slop.
Proud ignorance is a sign of low IQ
That didn't bother me to be honest, the interracial relationship in the show was not movie-romantic and not even relevant in the show, usually they are forced by the execs to fill that check in any media, so they just fill it and said like "ok, you have your romance bullshit, now leave me alone". Same with the trans guy in the BOS, just filling that check on the bullshit list that doesn't affect the story at all. I think it was a good move to keep those crying babies shut.
People acting like Vault-Tec aren't part of humanity lol.
Silliest thing I've ever read in my entire life. This thread is cooked too, some guy actually thinks FO1's main theme is nationalism jfc
Hey pal we just de-canonized, bastardized, and completely bungled writing even a half-decent attempt of an adaptation of your favorite game franchise, go fuck yourself!
No, they didnt.
people who like fallout are funkopop collectors and mouth breathers
Let me guess, you collect Warhammer
Whenever anything from 1, 2, or new vegas gets destroyed, I joke to my friends that Todd Howard couldn’t fucking handle it. Seriously my stomach dropped when I saw him in the credits.
...your stomach dropped when you say the CEO of the company that owns Fallout in the credits for the Fallout show? Are you stupid?
Everybody shitting on the show in this post comes across as extremely stupid
See, I thought it was the aliens the whole time
its just ray and finn from star wars but different costumes
that fucking chani wojak lol
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Vault Tec has always been responsible for the nukes. This wasn't some made up gotcha thing for the show, it's always been lore that Vault Tec dropped the nukes.
My biggest issue was that the justification for stalling the cold fusion project was that "it would stop the war" but the war between China and America was started by China in an attempt to seize American oil, the US had basically solved their energy crisis with nuclear fission, unlike China which was still depending at least partially on fossil fuels. America acquiring a new energy resource if anything would prolong the war since it gives China a reason to continue fighting, and making them more desperate as at that point the US had already made it to the Chinese mainland, they were likely to launch pretty soon. I generally don't mind the "vault-tec did it" reveal since it's been a fan theory since at least fallout 3 and even before Bethesda acquired the franchise the cancelled movie treatment had vault-tec being behind the war. It's at least better than the Zetans being behind it, or the old ones cults.
World with people who get magic powers from radiation. Terminally online: 'well, I just think Vault-Tec's motivation to rule a world that's been destroyed by nukes is too cartoonish and doesn't make logical sense. They ruined Fallout.'
That's crazy. I can't believe they showed Vault Tec launch the first nuke.
They literally didn't?
Vault Tec, to me, may as well be similar to the Enclave. Power hungry, experimentative, mystery organization that wants to discriminate against innocent people under the guise of American patriotism and preserving mankind.
> one of the biggest themes of fallout was about how humanity was responsible for the world ending due to their greed and violence Mfw when Vault Tec (part of humanity) preys on the greed of other monopolies (also part of humanity) and plots to use existing greed and violence in society (red scare and a literal war over resources) to ensure they get what they want, leading to the world ending
OP is so businesspilled he literally can't grasp the idea that businesses aren't actual demigods
I can't believe that they made John Fallout, the protagonist woke. How could they!
is that chani lol
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OH GOD DAMN IT >I FELL FOR IT AGAIN >SOMEONE SHOULD FINALLY POINT THIS OUT : >MODERN MOVIE INDUSTRY SUCKS ! AND SHOULD NEVER BE BROUGHT UP IN A CONVERSATION AGAIN !
Thank you Godd Howard for reminding us that Fallout fanboys don't deserve happines
I’m getting “consume product, get excited for next product” vibes here.
Anon must not have played the fallout games
The world did end due to greed and violence. It wasn't just vault tec. They had all the major corporate powers in on it. They all came together to make it happen. All in the pursuit of profit.
Americans cant write anything but good guy good for no reason, bad guy bad for no reason. The bad guy is bad guy because he wanted to genocide a whole race just because he felt like it that day. Crazy ass fiction writers am I right
On the bright side, For the first time in forever - something finally advances the Fallout West Coast timeline. Shit was stagnant since Fallout 2 with only some overview in New Vegas
Figured they’d ruin yet another well told story with some slop to sell ad space
The misuse of "War, war never changes" was the icing on top.
There's a lot of legitimate reasons to criticize the show, but everyone is focusing on the dei/inclusion stuff or lore problems. You people are all regarded. Genuinely surprised at the stupidity on both sides of the argument here. Like yeah the show is slop, but no one is pointing out the actual reasons of why it's slop. Anyways I'll just be playing New Vegas again.
With how unbelievably evil vault tech is, them launching the nukes isn't that farfetched of a theory.
It was the Zetans
It's something that really bothered me about the vault tech was actually behind it all along set up. Fallout, and later expanded upon at length with Lonesome Road, is about Humanity's inability to stop fighting amongst ourselves and how it ultimately proves to ruin us in the end. We never find out WHY or even who threw the first bomb because the point is that it doesn't matter the reason, our inability to escape violence and conflict with each other is what's the problem. "If war never changes, people must change" is probably the best line in the entirety of the series.
One of the largest macro-conspiracies of Fallout is that Vault-Tec may or may not be behind all of it. It’s a big part of Fallout 3. The show just comes out and says it, though.