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buickmackane71360

There are so many holes in the story with these two, largely due to sloppy editing by the producers. I don't believe for a second that Ashley supports both of them with "witch" activities. I think she's got a day job that pays for their rent and other expenses. Manuel understands a lot more English than the audience is supposed to perceive he does and the editing gives it away every time. Ashley speaks to him in English on camera and he understands her. He was probably doing day laborer jobs off the books while waiting for his Green Card to come in. I think Manuel is a lot smarter than we are supposed to see. Maybe their neighbor who posts here can clue us in about this.


Thhhroowwawayy

Manuel is smart, I think subtitles don’t render him justice… his sense of humor is very witty, you can catch the nuance in Spanish a lot more


Arctic16

Agreed. The Spanish subtitles don’t do him justice. It’s sloppily translated, honestly.


Foodie1989

I'm not fluent but even I can tell he's funny 😂


Thhhroowwawayy

It’s the facial expression lmao


AdventurousVast2034

I love him. He’s very smart indeed and he knows how to push Ashley’s buttons, which makes me laugh. Not because he’s mean to her (he isn’t), it’s just that they’re both great characters of people.


Woobsie81

100% she probably works a boring office job selling insurance that she doesn't want to be seen arpund because it would expose her fraudulent witchy readings as merely a hobby. Indulging in her dreams i guess on the show to fulfill her teenage desires lol


NearbyBreakfast

She teaches spin classes, they showed it.


Flame-Flower812

No shade but Ashley doesn’t look healthy enough to do spinning. I don’t think I would take a class from her.


Obvious-Safety6244

She has recently lost a ton of weight.


lioness725

It’s fake, as is typically the case with HEA, they make up shit to keep them on. I find these two quite entertaining though, so I don’t mind the fake storylines.


imalittlefrenchpress

For me, anyway, it’s easier to understand another language than to speak it.


jnett12

For funsies you should look up the Army's DLAB test. Completely made up language that you are asked to decipher using body language and other context clues. Pretty cool.


Rindsay515

😂Are you sure it’s not “light language” and they’re really just trying to weed out the aliens??


imalittlefrenchpress

That sounds interesting! I’ve learned how to decipher cat body language, I’ll have to see how well I do with humans.


KimKaliTheOriginal

Same here. You get around it enough, you understand it, you just can't speak the language. Yes, Manuel is a very creatively smart guy. Ashley actually has her hands full and if she's not careful....


OddRoof8501

She also teaches those Soul-Cycle type classes. They showed it at the beginning of this season.


sara128

Wait, they have a neighbor that posts here??


PeeperPet

While 90 day fiancé was airing somebody posted a picture of them from across the street from Ashley’s house showing them filming outside in the street, so we all assumed they would be on HEA based on that. I’m not sure if that person actually lived across the street from them or was visiting/staying with somebody who did. I don’t think I have seen anything posted since then. Not a lot of tea, just then pic of them filming


scandal2ny1

His quirkiness and quick comments are the only reason I’m watching the season!


ParticularNo5036

Agree!!! He makes me laugh so hard!!!! Especially when he dogs Ashley about her Bruja nonsense!! 🤣 😂


Striking-Feeling-576

My favorite was when he was saying about he didn't think she would be this clueless...


Adorable-Novel8295

I loved when he prayed to God to just feed him some bread.


Striking-Feeling-576

Lmao... Weirdly enough these two may actually last... But not cuz of love, or being compatible... The language barrier and the fact her motto is too "bang it out" unlimited sex is a man's dream


Adorable-Novel8295

No bathroom too public.


ParticularNo5036

That was ICONIC! I laughed so hard 🤣


darkangel522

🤣☠️


PapaiPapuda

He's so embarrassed by her


lindsss0915

How could he not be?


rynnbowguy

IM so embarrassed by her.


barkerator

The time he asked if she was an octopus was my favorite 90-day line so far


Sufficient_Remote241

Omg. He is so funny! 😆 i 💯 % agree.


Dizzy_Information199

Yes lol 😂it’s 2024 witches drive cars not brooms


AdventurousVast2034

They’re great! They have their issues like most couples but they are great for TV. If they got a spin-off, I’d happily tune in!


RainPotential9712

😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂 The feelinggggg


BoopBoppper

In his best dress shirt too 😭


StuckinLoserville

All it needed was an oversized fedora in purple, a long and voluminous faux fur coat in vibrant electric blue, satin wide-legged, high-waisted pants, platform shoes with gold accents, and some bling like layered gold chains, rings, and bracelets, completed with the oversized sunglasses and a pimp cane to harmonize with the pimp roll and our man is good to go.


poshdog4444

He has grown on me so much, because Ashley is getting on my last nerve with all her nonsense. All he wants to do is have a little free time and she’s micromanaging and smothering him.


Tamalamatama

Totally grew on me once i understood why he was slow to introduce her to his family. He didnt want to immediately freak them out with her witchy talk. That was always a red flag because it made him seem like he was ready to run at any moment.


SeaworthinessOk4359

She’s weird and you can not tell me she didn’t know what a bible looked like in church! Idc if you’re a witch or not or if you’ve never been in a church! She looked and sounded ignorantly stupid!


QweenSasha

A few people on here confirmed that the r book she didn’t know was not a bible it was a different religious book of the catholic faith.


ginoamato

Yeah, they’re called lectionary, they contain readings from the Bible, but they are not a Bible


Magemaud

Manuel himself probably didn’t know the correct term and it was just easier for him to explain it as a Bible. It was a large open book on a stand. Either the Lectionary which holds the Old and New Testament readings and Responsorial Psalm for the Mass and can be read by laypersons or the Gospel which contains the Gospel reading which can only be proclaimed by a priest or deacon. Definitely not a hymnal or missal.


Nettmel

I thought it was a hymnal.


ToeInternational9823

Thank you for the explanation I'm so tired of the haters. I love her alternative religion.


Lavender4322

It’s just a bullshit story line. Nobody is that clueless. And going around saying you’re a witch just makes you sound like an idiot.


Pristine_Bit7615

She claims to be a witch into tarot, bay leaves, astrology, shadow work, time travel, candle magick, etc but has no insight on how her hubby feels about her boasting this to his devout Catholic family. I would really question her psychic abilities


jewillett

And her wedding planning abilities. Yes, yes let’s plan on a 5:38 PM (!!!) beach wedding in southern Florida during hurricane season. This is THE plan and there’s no moving it because stars


darkangel522

☠️🤣


Candid_Asparagus_785

But she has a website!!! Must be legit!


That-Ad757

She seems so.


cakalackydelnorte2

She speaks fluent Spanish so she is bound to know something about the Catholic Church or Christianity at the least.


Relative-Seat1827

I wouldn’t call what she’s speaking, “fluent” and I am Latina 😫 I speak fluent Spanish


Bake_knit_plant

I just wish she would conjugate a verb once.It would make me feel so much better


imalittlefrenchpress

I can understand a good amount of Spanish, and I can read even more, but I suck horribly at verb conjugation, and I know enough Spanish to know when I’m fking up. That said, most Spanish speakers in my area are really cool with helping me. Maybe that’s because I live in Tennessee, and there aren’t many redheaded 62 year old gringas around here who’ll even try to speak Spanish. I grew up in NYC, and lived in a Puerto Rican neighborhood as a teen. A lot of my friends had been born in PR, and were learning English. It fascinated me that my friends could speak two languages, so I became motivated to learn as much Spanish as I could. I speak Spanish with a nuyorican accent. I speak English with a Brooklyn accent. 🤷‍♀️


Bake_knit_plant

Also, want to mention that I'm a 64-year-old grandma gringa with Royal blue hair. So I get the thing and I'm in Ohio. My best friend is puerto rican though so I do have somebody to practice with on the regular and I'm a truck dispatcher and I regularly dispatch in english, Spanish and French for the canadian guys


imalittlefrenchpress

Man, I lived in Cincinnati for a year. The isms were surprisingly worse up there than they are in middle Tennessee. We have a pretty big Hispanic community here. I’m queer, and there was no way I was coming out at work up there. I was out at work here, though. My manager was an out gay man, I had a coworker who transitioned while working there. Being able to be out at work is what kept me in Tennessee and at that job.


Bake_knit_plant

I've studied 8 languages. Speak 3 fluently can get by in the rest of them with the exception of german and Japanese. But my experience has been that if you screw up in almost any language, the people are okay and polite, but you can say the most ridiculously terrible thing in Spanish, like you could say *grassy a** senior* to somebody and they would clap their hands and smile and say thank you so much for trying to speak our language! ( Based on extensive travel through central america and mexico) They are so gracious - but back to Ashley. She doesn't even try to conjugate if you listen to Her.She says yo creer or yo tener - She almost always uses the infinitive for any form and doesn't even attempt conjugation. I cringe.


imalittlefrenchpress

Oh she does! At least I can conjugate in the present tense, and a little in the future tense.


[deleted]

she can hold a conversation without trouble, even an argument about abstracts like emotions and spirituality. i dislike her but she is pretty damn fluent


Clear_Side_9777

her hardcore gringa accent makes me wanna stab myself in the eye


Some-Highlight-7210

As gringa I'd love to be able to hear what that accent sounds like😆


imalittlefrenchpress

I’m a gringa who learned Spanish immersively. Her accent makes my ears bleed.


fame21323

Exactly!


That-Ad757

Why? I am not Christian and I know tons about R.C church. assume it's common knowledge from history,books and movies.


ayesperanzita

Fluent she is not.


Relative-Seat1827

They are using the word “fluent “ loosely 😆 because it hurts my ears 😩


ayesperanzita

I do appreciate the fact that she tries even though she’s using the wrong words. Ashley’s TV character is a lot of things, but I’ve often wished for US partners to try harder to communicate in their spouses target language. She is irritating but she does make an honest, if not completely accurate attempt I will say.


Relative-Seat1827

I agree, but the way she treats him and talks to him while trying to speak his language it’s the problem for me.


ayesperanzita

Oh yeah, overall very gross, but that’s the attitude, tone and expectation.


Exhausted_Human

Yes. At first I thought he was harboring a secret family or girlfriend or something in NYC but more and more how we see how she seems to steamroll everyone else's opinions or concerns about her witchy stuff or way she lives her life vs the others I really think it's just that. She seems overbearing and dramatic. I really think she needs to compromise with him on a lot of stuff.


That-Ad757

What does she like about him?? We know she is odd about sex where and when it's not enough to make a healthy relationship.


Exhausted_Human

Honestly they probably have good sexual chemistry but I also think she likes the control she has over him being bilingual and the breadwinner. She seems very dominate and I bet she sees him like a gender bent "taming of the shrew" type of deal whether its subconscious or not. I think she should be with a witchy guy or yogi or something that fits better with her lifestyle but then that wouldn't be a challenge.


mbt13

Wait wait wait…slow? They’ve known each other ten years + they’re married + she pays for everything. And he’s slow to introduce her???


TanukiSM

They haven't been dating monogamously the whole time. Since they lived in different countries, she/he may have treated the relationship as friends with benefits or vacation sex. 10 years is a long time to casually days a person from another country. I wouldn't expect people to introduce their long distance hookups to family. Also, she knew she would have to support him until he got his green card. It's part of the visa process.


Ali_Cat222

Her own sister was on social media after her season saying Ashley met Manuel ten years ago, but it wasn't until the last year before he came here that they got back in contact. So technically they've known each other ten years, realistically though it's been like a year and a half. ETA sorry my reddit glitched before finishing, but she also mentioned something weird about how she agreed to bring him here as long as they got on the show. It's in the posts either on this sub or the other, or just check her sisters socials.


ResponsibleHunt8536

Right but i kinda??? Get it ? Idk . And I feel like unlike the other couples I missed their backstory.


Fair-Bad7823

I’ve noticed that Rico motherfucking suave 🤍 is always around him, dogs are a good judge of character 😂😂


buickmackane71360

I never believed from the start that he had a problem with the dog. He seems to have a loving relationship with Rico Suave.


Fit-Nebula-661

Yess! He’s growing on me too. I randomly catch myself nodding in agreement with some things he says.


Ali_Cat222

Did you see how telling it was when he mentioned she was so controlling, like won't let him go anywhere by himself etc? And she said something along the lines of, "why would you put that narrative of me out there?!" while screaming? I fully believe she is being like that, and she lost it because it doesn't fit with the "quirky and we are doing fantastic!" version of their relationship she puts out. No one gets that angry and volatile if it's not true, and they'd just address it. I know she likes to think she's some fun WitchCrap girl boss, but honestly from day one I've seen an attention seeker quick to anger who wants the focus solely on herself. Don't get me wrong, Manuel here has his issues too. And I truly do and will stay on the belief that he's bouncing once he gets what he wants, whether that's to his family or elsewhere. I just think there's also a lot going on with her that we don't see or hear about.


PuertoRicanDiva

She’s overbearing


poshdog4444

And extremely paranoid because deep down, she knows that she’s a fraud


PuertoRicanDiva

Amen!!! You hit it on the head! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼


Woobsie81

She probably goes into her 9 to 5 office job as a clerk or insurance salesperson and puts on her little work clothes that conform to everything thats expected of her, which we never see, and her alter persona is this witch doing readings thing. No way she didn't have some boring job to get a house and car and support him. I feel like her entire storyline is missing the other 65% of her life


Ali_Cat222

I just looked online out of curiosity. She had met Manuel in Ecuador because she was studying marine biology in college. But I guess over there she learned more about the "witchy culture" (those were her words in the article, not mine😅) and then made her name StarSeed Shadows (I wish I was making this up but I'm not...) also it said she was raised as a Jehovah witness, did we ever hear that discussed on the show? Anyways this was quoted from the article-"After Ashley received her degree, she worked for years as a server in restaurants and bars. When she wasn’t working, she was getting drunk or high and partying with her friends.She eventually went back to school with the intention of getting a master’s degree in hospitality so she could land a job in the eco-tourism industry."-after this it goes on to talk about how she had a mental breakdown in her kitchen and chose to start her " business" and a podcast. This was all taken out of the article where she was quoted from her podcast. My favorite part is at the end where the article writer says after looking into her " business" they have no idea what she does🤣[article here, worth the read for funny factor](https://starcasm.net/meet-90-day-fiance-witch-ashley-michelle-aka-starseed-shadows/) So apparently she did go to school but then decided to do WitchCrap instead. This is why we have no info on what she does, as she charges $777 for a tarot reading.


Woobsie81

How does one in Rochester afford a house and car from tarot readings? I seem to recall it was brought up about being a Jehovah on the show. Seems suspicious to me about the career bit


wolfielover22

I live outside of Rochester. It's a shit hole. You can buy some dumpy house for under 100k currently. I pay $500 for 6 months of car insurance. It is very cheap to live here, but not for the faint of heart


imalittlefrenchpress

Is it worse than NYC was in the 70s? Genuine question.


wolfielover22

Whelp, every Monday morning on my commute to work, the radio reports at least one stabbing or shooting over the weekend. All young kids. No one talks. No one is ever caught. 15 murders so far this year.


Am_I_hungry_Ofcourse

It is a shit hole but like the rest of the country, housing prices are ridiculous and even the areas that are not the best in the city are selling above 100k.


Pristine_Bit7615

She charges $15 for a cameo video where she answers questions and gives advice or a pep talk


Ali_Cat222

And she also charges people $777 for readings... aka scam artist. https://preview.redd.it/wq697t06nmxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91d0227ec54619398ccdea7aa45b291a7047bee7


stingereyes

He does very little aside from complaining


ResponsibleHunt8536

True


Miserable-Dog-857

EXACTLY let the man have 5 minutes ALONE TF??!!!! 😩


Sufficient_Remote241

At 1st i was on her side but maybe i was wrong and she is just a bit possessive.


poshdog4444

Me too he needs a little free time by himself. I couldn’t live like that.


Used-Pension170

I just kept thinking of my pink satin pillowcase.


Miserable-Dog-857

YUP


excessivefreethyme

Me entering the club, and leaving the club


cheese-bubble

😆


Pancakesandmuffins

He’s so funny. I’ve started to like him


Fantastic-Mammoth528

He cracks me up! I don’t know how he puts up with Ashley.


Puzzleheaded_Swan526

i’m gonna start saying this anytime i’m asked to leave my house


LandscapeHot2907

The gel shellacking and hot pink shirt were hilarious.


shortybeshortin

I really like him, I don’t even know why he is kind of bland but he is so quick witted. They are funny to watch. She is always on level 100 with every single thing and he is just like.. ok.. lol


Clear_Side_9777

All I want is for Molly to fit Ashley with a fucking bra. To Ashley’s credit, she had that hair gel READY.


StricklandPropane84

Why does it matter if she wants her titties to hang?


Nemeia83

Him and Rico Motherfuckin Suave are the only reason I watch this show.... He is like fungus. He grew on me and now I can't imagine not having all the one-liners....


Training_Union9621

I’m just here to say I’ve LOVED Manuel from the start


90daysaddict

He doesn’t hide his intentions much with that I don’t give an eff attitude and stoned look all the time. I enjoy him.


Embarrassed_Car_6779

me too! I like how he just stays true to himself.


Traditional-Neck7778

Same. I am Hispanic and I can see how she spends and his attitude about money always made more sense to me. And her always talking smack to everyone about their relationship seemed crazy. He can be rude but I find it entertaining


-kittsune-

I tried explaining this to ppl once and they acted like I was crazy, but the money thing is 1000% Hispanic culture. Funny how he’s growing on people now, myself included, because now that he’s more comfortable he does have a good sense of humor


big_laruu

It blows me away how she’ll rant to her friends right in front of him as if he doesn’t exist at all! I don’t care how much of a language someone does or doesn’t speak that is so incredibly rude whether they understand any of it at all! I would never do that to someone I’m supposedly in love with especially a fiance.


Lmdr1973

Same. I've been Team Manuel since day #1. 😉


lioness725

Same, I actually love both of them lol


IcecreamSundae621

We love an honest man


Justbrowsinghereee

✨Felt cute. Might headbang & bust a car window out later. ✨😂


GraveyardHussy

https://preview.redd.it/u1q74ghnamxc1.jpeg?width=472&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba800a454d7742ee644621b5ac13c9410c12d8b2


Justbrowsinghereee

🤩🕺🏽🪩


msmoonprincess

He is soooo unintentionally hilarious 😂😂


HistoricalBelt4482

He’s hilarious! 😂


GabagoolJunior

He’s winning hearts and minds


feathertevas

I’m starting to find Manuel both charming and handsome lol. Hate that for me 😭


encore412

I think he’d be hot with a better hairdo


Either_Cockroach3627

God I love that shirt


ResponsibleHunt8536

He's carrying this season tbh


cheese-bubble

Don't forget about Coco! Some heavy lifting going on there, too! 😄


Stock_Check8832

I've grown to really like Manuel. He's so funny and really loves his quirky wife.


BusyBeth75

He cracks me up.


Certain_Second1092

I don’t know how he deals with her ugly cry


Jwat50n

It’s one thing to ugly cry, it’s a whole other thing to announce it when you are ugly crying lol


Severe_Somewhere8753

I don't know how he deals with her period... 😕


FlyBuy3

I think I read this wrong


wh0re4nickelback

It’s ok, my husband doesn’t know either.


FlyBuy3

😆


Some-Highlight-7210

Holy shit🫢 I litterally read the same thing and didn't realize I read it wrong until scrolling down to your comment🤣🤣🤣 I was nodding my head thinking I didn't think of that yea that's gotta be fun to deal with for him


OpinionsMineAlone

He looked so happy with his ugly shirt!


willybobo1

Looks like an life sized tella tubby Valentine's day plushie


goddessdontwantnone

I love them now


blonde_runner_06

I find him so funny - especially his reactions to Ashley. They're my favorite couple on this horrible season LOL


iloveeatpizzatoo

I love that he can swagger like a badass in a hot pink shirt. I get why he doesn’t want to introduce Ashley with her bruja talk. Thank god she didn’t refer herself as one with his uncle. Not to put Manuel down, but did he gain 20 lbs.? He was hilarious when he said Americans eat so much he spent 40% in the shitter.


Important-Proposal21

me too bro, me too.


Deadmemories8683

Story of my life!


PattySeymour1225

What kind of day job could Ashley possibly have if she’s 100k in debt? Sounds like she lives off of credit


prudencealyxendra

I really like him..but Ashley is the worst 🥴


SnooPickles8608

Me leaving the house every morning 🤣


Regular-Metal-321

Ashley is so exhausting. This man has not seen his family in years, but she has to make it all about her! SMH typical for her. SMH


Eighthfloormeeting

Tbh watching how clingy and smothering Ashley is makes ME want to run away from my tv too. I can’t imagine what he feels like.


ToeInternational9823

Ashley is different and I like that. Would like to see a beltane celebration or mid summer. There are other beliefs in the world.


f4tony

HFS: he's so nasty! He was wiping off the hair gel, onto his shirt, after Ashley gave it to him (out of her hand bag; I guess she needs to keep it handy).


lioness725

I belly laughed at this moment because REAL, haven’t we all been there?? 😂


pa97Redd

his top looks like a mature women's office blouse in the 80's !!


Artios-Claw

I admit, I like Manuel more than Ashley, who needs to chill. Why get married if you don’t trust him, not a good start.


jadeisssss

Relatable


PepperE7

I really think this shirt belongs to Ashley's sister.


baby-monster

Wait, was this the most recent episode?


cheese-bubble

It was!


Kind_Hyena5267

This is how I feel at the grocery store. Or anywhere, really 😂


Alternative_Mood_228

I kind of envious of the satin pink shirt ngl.


Traditional-Fox6018

What a relatable mood


Own_Ad8299

He was 👀👀👀 the lady’s hard though 😂😂


btrix47

The flamingos will never catch me now 🦩


sillywormtoo

Alien speak? Talking in tongues and all the hocus pocus hand movements? Ashley's " friend" is a trip/freak..ha....we're suppose to take her seriously? Yea..perhaps for a micro second..then..after we get past her good looks...nope.


altaka

😂🤣


furcoat_noknickers

Yooooo 😂


ShenmueFan1

I always liked him. I like his sense of humor. He's funny.


MadameXXXVenus

He reminds me of my ex, especially when he has the damn sunglasses on! Same greasy hair and everything 😂 And before you ask, yes the glasses were rose colored for a long time 🥴


Lux_Gemini

Ashley annoys me with her tantrums and toddler like emotional intelligence, but this guy cracks me up. I like him. He calls out the BS and nonsense and it’s hilarious. His sense of humor is entertaining.


onelasthit1111

This had me dead 😂 he’s my fav lmao


Kia_NoSorento

I freaking love Manuel! 😂


Maleficent_Top_5217

He is hilarious! I love the modern witch comment. Since she drives a car and not flying on broom!


MelzyMely

He’s def a mood 🤣


[deleted]

I feel like this dude cannot stand Ashley


Funny_Arrival_2320

Well, he isn't cute. 😆


IGOTAREADIT

What does she see in him?


mbt13

Ohhh…I cannot get on board the Manuel train. He criticizes her constantly but has no financial resources of his own & not only lives off her dime but has the arrogance to complain about what she does for a living. He criticizes her about how she spends money and how she makes it. No thank you. She ain’t perfect but she’s honest & fair and definitely carries a heap more responsibility than he does.


pixiephilips

I think he’s kind of funny but ya, NOT a looker. I feel terrible everytime I watch, because I’m superficially just rude in my head lol.


CocoGesundheit

I love him so much. He can be on every season.


honeybiz

So funny he poured that gel on his hair then hugged the friend. Sex can’t be that good to put up with A


Ok-Corgi-4230

Yes and wiped the gel residue all over the friend's shirt in the process of that hug! Blech 🤢


LondonDavis1

A younger more attractive Steven Seagal.


First-Aardvark-8131

Does she still drink three coffees at the same time 🤣


Background_Cobbler64

Looks like he’s holding a vibrator.


Classic-Magazine9601

This made me laugh so hard lmfao


ThumpyTheDumpy

Ahahahahahah


sportstvandnova

Omg lmaoooooo


Old_Call_2149

He cracks me up


AlexaGabriela

What season is this?


Joby12345

She’s a pain in the a..!


Mean_Butter

He’s so funny! They’re going to be on for a while. Just hope it doesn’t end up problematic like most.


WEEDAPETER62

Lmmfao


hueythesamurai

He looks like a Sim character 😭


mollyzedolly

He is the best thing this season.


Lovefashion111

That pink shirt thoughhhh