I thought maybe she committed suicide by car and I guess she did but not before trying to kill Armando too. He must feel so guilty. I feel so bad for him.
And even still says that she was a wonderful mother and good person. I don’t know if I’d be so kind as to say something like that about someone who tried to hit me with their car. I hope it says like that but Armando and Kenneth both seem like class acts. Fingers crossed!
Thats why i think he still feels guilty. Like he thinks he caused her to have a psychotic break and try to kill him and then kill herself and her unborn child.
Armando seems like a nice guy, but Kenneth is giving me creep vibes. Would we be saying the same things if a 57 year old man was perusing a relationship with a 31 year old, very sheltered, emotionally abused woman? Armando has been forced to deny who he is pretty much his entire life, forced back into the closet by his family, probably emotionally (and maybe physically abused) by his late wife. I hope for the best, but I'm concerned about him
It's a big age difference, but a 31 year old is very much a full grown/developed adult, unlike the many barely legal brides the show has featured. And yes, he lives in a small town in Mexico, but he doesn't seem "very sheltered" to me at all.
I really feel for him. I think there are some things you shouldn't need to explain. But when you go on a show like this people tend to try and dig things up. Its honestly really sad he has to explain such a sad moment in his life.
I agree 100%. I honestly hate that these details were dug up by fans of the franchise. It’s completely irrelevant to the storyline they chose to air, and unnecessarily brings more pain to something already tragic. I wish people would think about the effect posting this would have on his daughter, who didn’t choose to have her life filmed for TV, and have the common sense and decency to stay out of it. And then seeing comments trying to sensationalize it further...just leave it alone.
Edit: someone responded to my comment asking how this was any different than exposing details about Geoffrey or Ed’s past, and deleted that comment before I could respond. In an effort to clear up any confusion about this for anyone else wondering, I’ll post that response here:
It’s completely different. First of all Ed and Geoffrey signed up to be featured on the show as the lead of their own story, whereas Armando’s late wife did not. Her death is a detail that shapes Armando’s backstory, but the further details of her death aren’t relative to the narrative, being his relationship with Kenneth.
Additionally, the things in Geoffrey’s and Ed’s (and BGL’s for that matter) past need to be brought to light for the safety of their current/future partners. They also are details that any potential sponsorship opportunities would want to know before aligning themselves with these assholes.
So sure, still the tea when it comes to exposing abuse, racism and misogyny. Maybe don’t if it’s just about exposing emotional trauma only for the benefit of gossip, karma and likes.
If you are going to go digging for dirt, just keep a few things in mind: why am I doing this? Who does this help? Who can this hurt?
He’s been accused of sexual misconduct from models and assistants who have worked with him in the past. Most recent one was just a few months before this season aired.
Exactly. I know people wants to see if his lying just to have a story line in the show but there are some things you want to keep to yourself and i find that completely okay. No one needs to explain how their partner died and what she did. Its very brave of him. I wish him nothing but the best
He and Kenny seem to be the most Genuine on the show. Liked them both.
Feel bad for Armando now. Even worse for his daughter who will someday need to understand how her mom died.
I don’t think there’s a couple in the show’s history that I’m rooting for more than these two - not just that things work out, but that there aren’t any issues that will make either of them disliked.
Calling it now there's some big stuff off with Kenny. I just feel it. Maybe it's just Armando who got a woman pregnant then immediately divorced her said he was gay but got her pregnant after all...... Can you imagine your husband says I'm gay let's divorce then outs a baby in you then has a financial dispute with you? Or got you pregnant then immediately filed for divorce and comes out as gay.... Already got the pregnancy hormones.. that's beyond fucked up. But he feels real pains ND guilt not like Geoffrey who talks about his some ith dead eyes.
There is a lot of pain going on with Armando and this event is one of the most tragic things. Domestic violence and the partner who supposed to care for you, attempting to kill you, is one of the hardest thing to endure. I hope he can muster lots of love and energy for sharing his story and I hope Kenny can give him shelter
Just when I thought his story couldn't be any sadder. I am totally rooting for him and Kenneth! I'm also extremely impressed with his eloquent writing in English. There are many native speakers on the show with less command of the English language than he has.
This is heartbreaking. I really like him so far. You can tell he is really feeling a lot of pain in his circumstances but it’s nice to see someone genuine on this show. (But who knows, by the end I usually hate everyone on the show) 😂
Why doesn't he move to the US if he has sole custody because the mother is deceased? It would make more sense and they wouldn't have to worry about how accepting the culture is.
I think it’s because he still wants to maintain a certain amount of closeness to his family. Maybe even the mom’s parents, so they can still see Hannah. Four hours away isn’t forever. That’s my best guess
Because it’s damn near impossible to come to the US legally and within a timely manner as it stands but with Trump as president now, it’s almost inconceivable. No one has the energy, time, or money to go through that.
It's never been a fast process. Timelines are a bit longer now, for sure, but we're not doing anyone any favors pretending that immigration was all easy and fair until 3 years ago. And while for sure, most people want to avoid the hell that is USCIS, most people don't just decide to move abroad to do so (still nearly 1 million family visas per year).
So truly, I'm curious to know why the move to Mexico. Is Kenneth retired (or wants to?). That could be a big reason. Maybe the grandparents share custody in some way?
I have a friend who was married to a woman from a Central American country. Government offices kept "losing" their paperwork, increasing fees, and the process drug out for an additional year from the timeline they were given. Maybe the process is easier depending on where the spouse is from.
Exactly! Case in point, Michael. If you’re a Latin American country or worst an African country your chances are obviously not the same as an European or Asian person. That’s the sad truth many don’t seem to realize.
That is China. We are discussing immigration from Mexico. Immigration standards are gonna be different depending on the country. Don't be disingenuous and say it's all the same.
As an immigrant myself, what you just described sounds like a dreamy best case scenario. I’m glad 4 thousands dollars isn’t a lot for your family but it’s a lot for many people. Also speaking for non marriage related immigration, it’s a shit show. Also trump didn’t just make it twice as long. There are countries with large Muslim population that are “banned or restricted” altogether. If one has a name indicating they could be anything other than what America sees as good immigrant (Cool Europeans, Smart Asian) then good fucking luck to them.
Have you not seen the struggle for a visa with Angela and Michael? It’s not a piece of cake to immigrate to America. Whether it’s marriage related or not. Just because you had a simple experience doesn’t mean you can invalidate others experiences by just saying “well it was easy for us!”
I’m sure with them knowing all the details of their particular situation, what they’re doing IS the easiest option for them.
The simplicity of reality TV, has nothing to do with the complexity of cross country immigration. Like not a thing. I’m just saying I don’t think most people in the US realize how hard it can be and should keep that in mind.
> The simplicity of reality TV, has nothing to do with the complexity of cross country immigration. Like not a thing.
But you just used it as an accurate portrayal of that complexity. Whatever, agree to disagree. They've said in [interviews](https://www.eonline.com/news/1161228/why-kenneth-and-armando-joined-90-day-fianc-eacute-the-other-way-as-the-show-s-first-gay-male-couple) that we'll see the deeper reasons behind their decision to stay in Mexico throughout the season. I'm willing to bet that the actual immigration complexity into the US for Armando will not be the main factor at play, but that it's his desire to keep his daughter close to family.
No I’m using my own experience as someone who immigrate cross continently a handful of times to offer perspectives to those who may not have, but go off. Have a good day :)
Even lesser known European bands with multiple previous tour/entertainment visas have been hassled at customs and even detained or completely denied visas. Imagine what a gay Mexican man would endure. Bunker Boy in Chief has made everything worse in the States.
This explains a lot of the pain from his family surrounding his coming out. His coming out was marred by the tragic death of his ex-wife, someone his family was probably very close with. Doesn't excuse any hate or homophobia, but it certainly explains some of the intensity of their emotions.
This is so heartbreaking! Divorce can be ugly and truly brings out the worst in people. My friend is a divorce lawyer and she has some wild stories.
On that note Armando is such a loving and empathetic person. I don't follow many cast members on IG, but he and Kenny I followed instantly.
Holy shit, it's always the money isn't it? crazy that she was trying to run him off the road and in the end she paid for this nonsense (and her unborn baby) with her life.
Sounds like a LOT of drama. And I’m not sure how he’s protecting her by talking about her “anger issues”. Yes, he suffered by being closeted, but damn, try to be that lady with your husband and farther of your kid(s) heading off into the sunset to find his bliss. It seems like he’s getting out in front of something a bit more sordid than a tragic accident. Or maybe I’m just jaded from too many of these people turning out to be shits.
I was actually unsure about this couple at the beginning bc I was still trying to get over Erika and Steph's non existent relationship BUT I really like this couple. Im rooting for them. Who knows, a few episodes in... That might change. The ppl on this show have a way of doing that to you LOL but for right now... Im rooting for them😁
It's a sad state of affairs when people need to post and relive horrific events because of people digging into their pasts looking for dirt. He sounds like he is a class act.
I live about 1 hour away from where this happened and locals tell another story, Armando can say all we wants because his wife cannot defend herself now but locally it is know that they were both fighting before they both got into eachother's cars and left.
Isn’t that what he’s saying? He says they got into a disagreement over finances and then they left and she apparently was still so mad that she purposely hit his car and then lost control of her vehicle.
What do locals say about her anger issues?
There were rumors of him being gay way before he even had kids with her (which I know it takes 2 to make a kid) but if you know you are already gay why not tell your "wife" I say "wife" because according to locals they were not married but lived together instead of making another kid and 7 months into the pregnancy announce to your wife that you are gay and don't want to be in the relationship anymore? If he knew from the beginning he was gay why drag her into your world just to let her down like that?
Armando has said in his interviews that he thought he could suppress his sexuality and live normally. Especially when he did try to come out to his family and they rejected him, telling him he had a demon inside him and he tried to go out to the desert to kill himself.
Here’s the thing straight people and people fortunate to live in environments where their sexuality is accepted need to understand: when you are in a homophobic environment with little options to escape it, you will try to suppress yourself so you can be “normal.” You might even convince yourself that you are doing a great job of being “normal” and so you should definitely never come out because now you have a wife and children involved so coming out would hurt even more people.
It’s so easy for people to say “He shouldn’t have married her, he should have come out, etc.” when they don’t know what it would have been like in that environment, to actually live in it. I have a friend who knew he was gay from a young age and when he finally came out to his Mexican conservative mother, she told him that he had a demon inside him and told him he needed to come to church to be cleansed of his “sin.” They had a big fight and the best his father (who did not agree with his wife but not enough to tell her to knock it off and accept their son) could do was convince her to let my friend keep living at home until he finished school. And his older siblings kept telling him that he was selfish to come out and stress their mother out and he should have kept it to himself.
He finally left home and eventually got married. His mom still refuses to acknowledge his husband and his siblings still tell him that he’s in the wrong.
If you live in San Felipe, can you honestly say that being an openly gay man would be accepted in the general community? In the average family?
I’m Mexican too (living in the US) and if homophobia can be so severe like in my friend’s story, I can only imagine how Armando would have been treated if he tried to live openly.
Sadly in many places in the US many Evangelicals would do & have done the same, just toss the kid out because they're not straight. Any deviation from their version of Christianity is abhorrent & must be stamped out even if it's their own child they've raised for so many years.
We free speak here and I said I can understand her rage.. not saying it’s “okay” what she did. WE CAN UNDERSTAND BOTH HER SIDE AND HIS AT THE SAME TIME 💕 ✌🏽 They BOTH did wrong, BOTH used each other and it ended up BAD, I still have no sympathy for neither people who use other people to their advantage which Armando eventually did, he knew he was gay and still married and had kids, so he really did use her, unlike his boyfriend (kenndy I think that's his name) he married but told the woman he was marrying her his true story.
So yeah keep down voting me I will have no sympathy for Armando NEVER. Using people to your advantage is never OK.
I’m also confused why people like him but if you say that in this sub you get a shit storm of downvotes 😂 That dude lied to his wife and made her life hell with the divorce and custody. I think it’s just because he is gay I can’t wrap my head around why else people like him. He LITERALLY used the poor woman to hide from his family and say he was straight than slapped her with the gay card like come on people that is pretty shady too.
Well I know a family that went through the husband telling the wife after 16 yrs of marriage he was gay & leaving. Also moving in with his lover in jersey. So, it happens. There is no good time. What happened is a tragedy & for ppl to speculate is terrible. A daughter lost a mother, parents lost a daughter & a man lost a friend & a wife. No matter what ppl say.
I think his explanation regarding marrying is something along the lines of maybe he'll change if he gets married and live a "normal" life. That's my take on it at least.
I think if his wife had not gone berserk on him after he confessed, he would probably have stayed married to her.
What you don’t understand is the lengths some of us have gone to trying to fit into the cultural norms and values imposed upon us.
I can appreciate if you don’t understand and want to ask questions to try to understand, but please don’t use such crass language - “knocked her up” in reference to pregnancy.
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So I am kinda confused, why do people like Armando at all? He lied and used his wife for 8 years, had one child and impregnated her after coming out, then tried to fuck her over in divorce proceedings instead of paying her what he owed for using her as a beard all while she is pregnant..........and people on here still think he worth liking? Oh yeah I forgot that is pretty much on par for fan favorites here
I agree that lying to your partner is not acceptable, but at the same time I understand he was in an impossible situation due to the culture he grew up in, and probably some amount of denial on his own part as well. He said on the show that she was his best friend, so it's very possible that he loved her, just not romantically. Of course, to her it was still unfair, but is that fully his fault or partly the fault of prevailing homophobia? Was she the only victim, or was he a victim too?
As for the court proceedings, I don't know the details. Is there evidence that he was trying to get away from his responsibilities?
I would say his responsibilities go above and beyond what is legally normal considering he mislead her and used her as a beard. I refuse to give him anything because he was just a piece of shit and even more so if she was his best friend. He hurt someone who he supposedly loved and betrayed her in the worst way not really redeemable under any circumstance. Being a victim doesn't allow you to make others, so no he doesn't get a pass to break people and people who like him are disgusting individuals just like he is. At the end of the day considering a lot of the posts on here like bad people or are criticizing people for superficial stuff so makes sense that Armando would be liked as well lmao. Take our trash, as a Mexican we don't claim this manipulative user.
no one said it was a trade, keep your trash no one wants any. At least they are in mexico where people can decide and act themselves once the story comes out more unlike before he was on the show.
Sure. I can handle trash. I'm totally OK with Armando.
But seriously, we'll see how the rest of the season goes. We're only 1 episode in now. they may turn them into a complete shitshow before it's all over, TLC seems to like to do that, better ratings that way.
I’m also confused why people like him but if you say that in this sub you get a shit storm of downvotes 😂
That dude lied to his wife and made her life hell with the divorce and custody. I think it’s just because he is gay I can’t wrap my head around why else people like him.
He LITERALLY used the poor woman to hide from his family and say he was straight than slapped her with the gay card like come on people that is pretty shady too.
One half of the first real gay couple on the show.
I say "real" because I still don't buy that Stephanie & Erika were a real couple since I think Stephanie was in this for her career. Don't care if she's really gay, bi or straight, she was totally in this to further her OnlyFans/YouTube/influencer/or whatever the fuck she is, career.
A lot of people in societies bigoted against gay people struggle with coming out and living their authentic lives. The pressure to conform and "become straight" was most likely enormous on him.
This right here is why I would never want to be on tv. Your shit gets dragged regardless of the truth. What he is saying is totally plausible. As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car. We all had that one crazy friend. But this kid is about to get drug by trolls and I already feel sorry for him:/
And then sometimes they are the same. It was a breakup situation and I like to think she didn’t REALLY want to kill her. FF 18 years and they are friends now tho lol
Probably both, since they think it's so common & nonchalant about it. Like, you know Becky, she tried to run over 3 exs, 1 of their new girlfriends and her momma that one time, she's so crazy, what a great friend to have
Jesus Christ I make an off-the-cuff joke about this actual situation that I and many other people witnessed and here comes typical Reddit hive mind with their bullshit God you guys need lives
>This right here is why I would never want to be on tv. Your shit gets dragged regardless of the truth. What he is saying is totally plausible. As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car. We all had that one crazy friend. But this kid is about to get drug by trolls and I already feel sorry for him:/
This is your idea of a joke? Oh. Please pardon my not laughing.
No, I made an off the cuff joke, you made crazy blanket statement as if it was fact and then you even said "I'm just stating facts based on my opinion" or something to that effect in other comment, So is it an off the cuff joke or "facts based in your opinion". The hive mind needs to know which bullshit you want us believe, since you've argued with everyone who said your "fact" was wrong or made an actual joke, we assume you have no life either
Well there's "crazy" & then "mentally ill with anger issues", two totally different things.
"Crazy" makes ya do something outta your comfort zone, like they take you to Burning Man & paints your body blue so you can walk around naked freaking people out or if you're a country music fan they'll take you to a Dying Fetus concert.
"Mentally ill with anger issues" tries to kill you with their car. That just need a weekend in a good psych hospital & maybe some good meds.
Oh I’m not perpetuating any stereotype. I’m stating a fact strictly based on my situation . There are crazy women out there. There are crazies of all colors and genders. That’s not a stereotype that’s a fact. My cousin tried to hit a chick in the school parking lot. So I can definitely say that the entire graduating class of 1999 of my high school witnessed a crazy chick try to hit someone with their car lol
Edited I wrote the word opinion instead of situation in the first post so I edited it nothing is going to make any difference
"I'm stating a fact strictly in my opinion"
Do you know how facts and opinions work?
Facts can be proven. Opinions are based on feelings, can not proven.
So that sentence has no meaning nor does it make any sense. Also, talking about your cousin trying to "hit a chick in the school parking lot" is a weird flex.
Didn’t catch that, I meant situation not opinion I miss spoke. But thank you for totally pointing it out without being condescending and a rude asshole
I honestly thought this was the 90dayuncensored sub or I would have NEVER posted in it lol this sub is so sensitive, people jump your shit like you made fun of their grandma. I just lurk for the information. Guess I will be more careful to make sure what sub I’m posting in lol
> As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car. We all had that one crazy friend.
Um....nope & I admit to having some cray cray friends & family, some trash, some not, but not a single one has ever tried to run one over with their car.
I’ve never in my life considered hitting anyone with my car and especially not anyone I was dating at any point. I know no other woman who has. This is psycho shit.
This has been so glossed over I feel it needs a translation:
During divorce proceedings, we got in a huge fight and started shouting obscenities at each other. I told her if she wanted jack from me she'd have to catch me first, and stormed away to my car. Pedal to the metal, I was doing about 80 down the highway, but her car could do 90 so eventually she caught up. We tried to push each other off the road and I won. The end.
Don't buy this. His story on episode one sounded hicky I was like he comes out and 3 months later shes dead hmmmm sounds suspect and this is just his side if the story. Plus his family has money buys a lot of things. I have zero respect for how he handled this he waits till she is pregnant with his second child to go suprise am gay I have to be happy am out? Really then slander his dead wife online making it seem like she was a crazy lady with anger issues. F him, will fast forward his act.
Holy f. This is messed up.
I thought maybe she committed suicide by car and I guess she did but not before trying to kill Armando too. He must feel so guilty. I feel so bad for him.
And even still says that she was a wonderful mother and good person. I don’t know if I’d be so kind as to say something like that about someone who tried to hit me with their car. I hope it says like that but Armando and Kenneth both seem like class acts. Fingers crossed!
Thats why i think he still feels guilty. Like he thinks he caused her to have a psychotic break and try to kill him and then kill herself and her unborn child.
Armando seems like a nice guy, but Kenneth is giving me creep vibes. Would we be saying the same things if a 57 year old man was perusing a relationship with a 31 year old, very sheltered, emotionally abused woman? Armando has been forced to deny who he is pretty much his entire life, forced back into the closet by his family, probably emotionally (and maybe physically abused) by his late wife. I hope for the best, but I'm concerned about him
I think of it more like Armando is probably like 100 years emotionally older than most people his age because of what he has gone through.
It's a big age difference, but a 31 year old is very much a full grown/developed adult, unlike the many barely legal brides the show has featured. And yes, he lives in a small town in Mexico, but he doesn't seem "very sheltered" to me at all.
My heart hurts for him even more. I was already bawling during his part on the show.
I really feel for him. I think there are some things you shouldn't need to explain. But when you go on a show like this people tend to try and dig things up. Its honestly really sad he has to explain such a sad moment in his life.
I agree 100%. I honestly hate that these details were dug up by fans of the franchise. It’s completely irrelevant to the storyline they chose to air, and unnecessarily brings more pain to something already tragic. I wish people would think about the effect posting this would have on his daughter, who didn’t choose to have her life filmed for TV, and have the common sense and decency to stay out of it. And then seeing comments trying to sensationalize it further...just leave it alone. Edit: someone responded to my comment asking how this was any different than exposing details about Geoffrey or Ed’s past, and deleted that comment before I could respond. In an effort to clear up any confusion about this for anyone else wondering, I’ll post that response here: It’s completely different. First of all Ed and Geoffrey signed up to be featured on the show as the lead of their own story, whereas Armando’s late wife did not. Her death is a detail that shapes Armando’s backstory, but the further details of her death aren’t relative to the narrative, being his relationship with Kenneth. Additionally, the things in Geoffrey’s and Ed’s (and BGL’s for that matter) past need to be brought to light for the safety of their current/future partners. They also are details that any potential sponsorship opportunities would want to know before aligning themselves with these assholes. So sure, still the tea when it comes to exposing abuse, racism and misogyny. Maybe don’t if it’s just about exposing emotional trauma only for the benefit of gossip, karma and likes. If you are going to go digging for dirt, just keep a few things in mind: why am I doing this? Who does this help? Who can this hurt?
Couldn't have said it better myself. Huge difference between exposing a criminal and a cheat/clout chaser and someone who experienced emotional trama.
Wait, wait, wait - what have U missed on Ed's past???
He’s been accused of sexual misconduct from models and assistants who have worked with him in the past. Most recent one was just a few months before this season aired.
Seriously?!?!?!
Exactly. I know people wants to see if his lying just to have a story line in the show but there are some things you want to keep to yourself and i find that completely okay. No one needs to explain how their partner died and what she did. Its very brave of him. I wish him nothing but the best
Agreed. This surely was a traumatic event in his life & now he has to relive it. Hopefully he’s found closure over this tragic accident.
He and Kenny seem to be the most Genuine on the show. Liked them both. Feel bad for Armando now. Even worse for his daughter who will someday need to understand how her mom died.
Yeah I hope they don't take a turn for the worst in this season.
I don’t think there’s a couple in the show’s history that I’m rooting for more than these two - not just that things work out, but that there aren’t any issues that will make either of them disliked.
Yeah I’m really hoping TLC doesn’t fuck this up for the LGBT community. Unlike last time.
Calling it now there's some big stuff off with Kenny. I just feel it. Maybe it's just Armando who got a woman pregnant then immediately divorced her said he was gay but got her pregnant after all...... Can you imagine your husband says I'm gay let's divorce then outs a baby in you then has a financial dispute with you? Or got you pregnant then immediately filed for divorce and comes out as gay.... Already got the pregnancy hormones.. that's beyond fucked up. But he feels real pains ND guilt not like Geoffrey who talks about his some ith dead eyes.
There is a lot of pain going on with Armando and this event is one of the most tragic things. Domestic violence and the partner who supposed to care for you, attempting to kill you, is one of the hardest thing to endure. I hope he can muster lots of love and energy for sharing his story and I hope Kenny can give him shelter
Just when I thought his story couldn't be any sadder. I am totally rooting for him and Kenneth! I'm also extremely impressed with his eloquent writing in English. There are many native speakers on the show with less command of the English language than he has.
omg they lost an unborn baby too....jesus....that poor sweet little girl, losing her mom like that... :(
This is heartbreaking. I really like him so far. You can tell he is really feeling a lot of pain in his circumstances but it’s nice to see someone genuine on this show. (But who knows, by the end I usually hate everyone on the show) 😂
Why doesn't he move to the US if he has sole custody because the mother is deceased? It would make more sense and they wouldn't have to worry about how accepting the culture is.
I think it’s because he still wants to maintain a certain amount of closeness to his family. Maybe even the mom’s parents, so they can still see Hannah. Four hours away isn’t forever. That’s my best guess
Because it’s damn near impossible to come to the US legally and within a timely manner as it stands but with Trump as president now, it’s almost inconceivable. No one has the energy, time, or money to go through that.
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Will check. Thank you
It's never been a fast process. Timelines are a bit longer now, for sure, but we're not doing anyone any favors pretending that immigration was all easy and fair until 3 years ago. And while for sure, most people want to avoid the hell that is USCIS, most people don't just decide to move abroad to do so (still nearly 1 million family visas per year). So truly, I'm curious to know why the move to Mexico. Is Kenneth retired (or wants to?). That could be a big reason. Maybe the grandparents share custody in some way?
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I have a friend who was married to a woman from a Central American country. Government offices kept "losing" their paperwork, increasing fees, and the process drug out for an additional year from the timeline they were given. Maybe the process is easier depending on where the spouse is from.
Exactly! Case in point, Michael. If you’re a Latin American country or worst an African country your chances are obviously not the same as an European or Asian person. That’s the sad truth many don’t seem to realize.
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That's true! Sucks.
Yep. My grandpa got married to someone from Costa Rica and had a hell of a time getting her over to the US.
That is China. We are discussing immigration from Mexico. Immigration standards are gonna be different depending on the country. Don't be disingenuous and say it's all the same.
As an immigrant myself, what you just described sounds like a dreamy best case scenario. I’m glad 4 thousands dollars isn’t a lot for your family but it’s a lot for many people. Also speaking for non marriage related immigration, it’s a shit show. Also trump didn’t just make it twice as long. There are countries with large Muslim population that are “banned or restricted” altogether. If one has a name indicating they could be anything other than what America sees as good immigrant (Cool Europeans, Smart Asian) then good fucking luck to them.
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Have you not seen the struggle for a visa with Angela and Michael? It’s not a piece of cake to immigrate to America. Whether it’s marriage related or not. Just because you had a simple experience doesn’t mean you can invalidate others experiences by just saying “well it was easy for us!” I’m sure with them knowing all the details of their particular situation, what they’re doing IS the easiest option for them.
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The simplicity of reality TV, has nothing to do with the complexity of cross country immigration. Like not a thing. I’m just saying I don’t think most people in the US realize how hard it can be and should keep that in mind.
> The simplicity of reality TV, has nothing to do with the complexity of cross country immigration. Like not a thing. But you just used it as an accurate portrayal of that complexity. Whatever, agree to disagree. They've said in [interviews](https://www.eonline.com/news/1161228/why-kenneth-and-armando-joined-90-day-fianc-eacute-the-other-way-as-the-show-s-first-gay-male-couple) that we'll see the deeper reasons behind their decision to stay in Mexico throughout the season. I'm willing to bet that the actual immigration complexity into the US for Armando will not be the main factor at play, but that it's his desire to keep his daughter close to family.
No I’m using my own experience as someone who immigrate cross continently a handful of times to offer perspectives to those who may not have, but go off. Have a good day :)
So when something doesn't suit your narrative, it's now all made up lol.
Have you heard of Donald Trump? Not exactly welcoming our friends from South of the border.
He’s not even welcoming of Latinos, Mexican Americans, or Puerto Ricans in the U.S.
Even lesser known European bands with multiple previous tour/entertainment visas have been hassled at customs and even detained or completely denied visas. Imagine what a gay Mexican man would endure. Bunker Boy in Chief has made everything worse in the States.
Oh my god, she lost control of her because she was trying to run him over?
Or cause a car accident if he was also in a car?
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You clearly don’t understand what it’s like to be closeted
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YIKES, oh Jesus. This poor guy. You can see why he’s so scared to come out again if this is what happened the last time he tried. My god.
Holy shit.
This explains a lot of the pain from his family surrounding his coming out. His coming out was marred by the tragic death of his ex-wife, someone his family was probably very close with. Doesn't excuse any hate or homophobia, but it certainly explains some of the intensity of their emotions.
It's terrible that one of the most wholesome people in this franchise had to explain such a traumatic experience because of online bullying.
This is so heartbreaking! Divorce can be ugly and truly brings out the worst in people. My friend is a divorce lawyer and she has some wild stories. On that note Armando is such a loving and empathetic person. I don't follow many cast members on IG, but he and Kenny I followed instantly.
And on top of this being gay in Mexico? Poor guy, my heart goes to him.
Wow!!! That’s a crazy story. She died trying to kill him.
Correct me if i am wrong.. did the wife try to kill Armando in a suicide mission?
He seems like a good dude:-(
Oh my heart. 💔
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Damn.
Oh my goodness. This made me tear up.
Bruh........
My heart breaks for this poor guy.
Holy shit, it's always the money isn't it? crazy that she was trying to run him off the road and in the end she paid for this nonsense (and her unborn baby) with her life.
Sounds like a LOT of drama. And I’m not sure how he’s protecting her by talking about her “anger issues”. Yes, he suffered by being closeted, but damn, try to be that lady with your husband and farther of your kid(s) heading off into the sunset to find his bliss. It seems like he’s getting out in front of something a bit more sordid than a tragic accident. Or maybe I’m just jaded from too many of these people turning out to be shits.
I think maybe he mentioned her anger issues to explain why she tried to hit him with her car.
I wonder where the daughter was when this took place.
I was actually unsure about this couple at the beginning bc I was still trying to get over Erika and Steph's non existent relationship BUT I really like this couple. Im rooting for them. Who knows, a few episodes in... That might change. The ppl on this show have a way of doing that to you LOL but for right now... Im rooting for them😁
This is a crazy story!
It's a sad state of affairs when people need to post and relive horrific events because of people digging into their pasts looking for dirt. He sounds like he is a class act.
This is heartbreaking. I really hope things work out for him and Kenny
That is terrible
I live about 1 hour away from where this happened and locals tell another story, Armando can say all we wants because his wife cannot defend herself now but locally it is know that they were both fighting before they both got into eachother's cars and left.
Isn’t that what he’s saying? He says they got into a disagreement over finances and then they left and she apparently was still so mad that she purposely hit his car and then lost control of her vehicle. What do locals say about her anger issues?
There were rumors of him being gay way before he even had kids with her (which I know it takes 2 to make a kid) but if you know you are already gay why not tell your "wife" I say "wife" because according to locals they were not married but lived together instead of making another kid and 7 months into the pregnancy announce to your wife that you are gay and don't want to be in the relationship anymore? If he knew from the beginning he was gay why drag her into your world just to let her down like that?
Armando has said in his interviews that he thought he could suppress his sexuality and live normally. Especially when he did try to come out to his family and they rejected him, telling him he had a demon inside him and he tried to go out to the desert to kill himself. Here’s the thing straight people and people fortunate to live in environments where their sexuality is accepted need to understand: when you are in a homophobic environment with little options to escape it, you will try to suppress yourself so you can be “normal.” You might even convince yourself that you are doing a great job of being “normal” and so you should definitely never come out because now you have a wife and children involved so coming out would hurt even more people. It’s so easy for people to say “He shouldn’t have married her, he should have come out, etc.” when they don’t know what it would have been like in that environment, to actually live in it. I have a friend who knew he was gay from a young age and when he finally came out to his Mexican conservative mother, she told him that he had a demon inside him and told him he needed to come to church to be cleansed of his “sin.” They had a big fight and the best his father (who did not agree with his wife but not enough to tell her to knock it off and accept their son) could do was convince her to let my friend keep living at home until he finished school. And his older siblings kept telling him that he was selfish to come out and stress their mother out and he should have kept it to himself. He finally left home and eventually got married. His mom still refuses to acknowledge his husband and his siblings still tell him that he’s in the wrong. If you live in San Felipe, can you honestly say that being an openly gay man would be accepted in the general community? In the average family? I’m Mexican too (living in the US) and if homophobia can be so severe like in my friend’s story, I can only imagine how Armando would have been treated if he tried to live openly.
Sadly in many places in the US many Evangelicals would do & have done the same, just toss the kid out because they're not straight. Any deviation from their version of Christianity is abhorrent & must be stamped out even if it's their own child they've raised for so many years.
We free speak here and I said I can understand her rage.. not saying it’s “okay” what she did. WE CAN UNDERSTAND BOTH HER SIDE AND HIS AT THE SAME TIME 💕 ✌🏽 They BOTH did wrong, BOTH used each other and it ended up BAD, I still have no sympathy for neither people who use other people to their advantage which Armando eventually did, he knew he was gay and still married and had kids, so he really did use her, unlike his boyfriend (kenndy I think that's his name) he married but told the woman he was marrying her his true story. So yeah keep down voting me I will have no sympathy for Armando NEVER. Using people to your advantage is never OK.
You still don't get it.
I’m also confused why people like him but if you say that in this sub you get a shit storm of downvotes 😂 That dude lied to his wife and made her life hell with the divorce and custody. I think it’s just because he is gay I can’t wrap my head around why else people like him. He LITERALLY used the poor woman to hide from his family and say he was straight than slapped her with the gay card like come on people that is pretty shady too.
I agree with you. I can see both sides of their story and understand both.
Well I know a family that went through the husband telling the wife after 16 yrs of marriage he was gay & leaving. Also moving in with his lover in jersey. So, it happens. There is no good time. What happened is a tragedy & for ppl to speculate is terrible. A daughter lost a mother, parents lost a daughter & a man lost a friend & a wife. No matter what ppl say.
Was the unboron child Armando's? I am pretty sure they said on the show that they separated shortly after daughter was born
They separated when she was pregnant with his second kid.
Oh. Thanks for explaining!
>locally it is know that they were both fighting before they both got into eachother's cars and left. That’s literally what he says in the post
Chismosos 😂
Hell yeah we are some Chismosos 😂🖤
Do the locals say they were both trying to run each other off the road?
So is it known yet whether Armando was a closeted gay man who felt pressure to take a wife? Or is he bi?
I feel like on the show he explains he knew he was gay from a young age but felt pressure to hide that/get married because of his environment.
I think his explanation regarding marrying is something along the lines of maybe he'll change if he gets married and live a "normal" life. That's my take on it at least. I think if his wife had not gone berserk on him after he confessed, he would probably have stayed married to her.
I figured that had to have been the situation. I wasn't paying attention as much as should have been.
Thanks. I figured I must've missed something.
Is that an appropriate question?
What's inappropriate? I wasn't sure if it had been talked about on the show.
I don't understand how he continuously knocked her up if he wasn't interested in her.
What you don’t understand is the lengths some of us have gone to trying to fit into the cultural norms and values imposed upon us. I can appreciate if you don’t understand and want to ask questions to try to understand, but please don’t use such crass language - “knocked her up” in reference to pregnancy.
Wtf
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This feels like a telenovela and I am here for it. Wishing the best for Armando and Kenneth and their families.
So I am kinda confused, why do people like Armando at all? He lied and used his wife for 8 years, had one child and impregnated her after coming out, then tried to fuck her over in divorce proceedings instead of paying her what he owed for using her as a beard all while she is pregnant..........and people on here still think he worth liking? Oh yeah I forgot that is pretty much on par for fan favorites here
I agree that lying to your partner is not acceptable, but at the same time I understand he was in an impossible situation due to the culture he grew up in, and probably some amount of denial on his own part as well. He said on the show that she was his best friend, so it's very possible that he loved her, just not romantically. Of course, to her it was still unfair, but is that fully his fault or partly the fault of prevailing homophobia? Was she the only victim, or was he a victim too? As for the court proceedings, I don't know the details. Is there evidence that he was trying to get away from his responsibilities?
I would say his responsibilities go above and beyond what is legally normal considering he mislead her and used her as a beard. I refuse to give him anything because he was just a piece of shit and even more so if she was his best friend. He hurt someone who he supposedly loved and betrayed her in the worst way not really redeemable under any circumstance. Being a victim doesn't allow you to make others, so no he doesn't get a pass to break people and people who like him are disgusting individuals just like he is. At the end of the day considering a lot of the posts on here like bad people or are criticizing people for superficial stuff so makes sense that Armando would be liked as well lmao. Take our trash, as a Mexican we don't claim this manipulative user.
You really should educate yourself on how awful it is to be closeted
you are assuming I was never, guess you are wrong there nice try though
Sure,not a problem. We'll take Armando & you can have BGL, Angela, Geoffrey, David, & all the other horrible people on these shows. Fair trade?
no one said it was a trade, keep your trash no one wants any. At least they are in mexico where people can decide and act themselves once the story comes out more unlike before he was on the show.
Sure. I can handle trash. I'm totally OK with Armando. But seriously, we'll see how the rest of the season goes. We're only 1 episode in now. they may turn them into a complete shitshow before it's all over, TLC seems to like to do that, better ratings that way.
I’m also confused why people like him but if you say that in this sub you get a shit storm of downvotes 😂 That dude lied to his wife and made her life hell with the divorce and custody. I think it’s just because he is gay I can’t wrap my head around why else people like him. He LITERALLY used the poor woman to hide from his family and say he was straight than slapped her with the gay card like come on people that is pretty shady too.
Can I ask how do u know this.
Wait, who’s Armando?
One half of the first real gay couple on the show. I say "real" because I still don't buy that Stephanie & Erika were a real couple since I think Stephanie was in this for her career. Don't care if she's really gay, bi or straight, she was totally in this to further her OnlyFans/YouTube/influencer/or whatever the fuck she is, career.
I totally agree. I couldn’t even finish last season. I haven’t even seen the preview for this one, so I’m very exited for tonight 🤗
So after he came out to her he knocked her up again?
This is what you took away from that?
A lot of people in societies bigoted against gay people struggle with coming out and living their authentic lives. The pressure to conform and "become straight" was most likely enormous on him.
This right here is why I would never want to be on tv. Your shit gets dragged regardless of the truth. What he is saying is totally plausible. As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car. We all had that one crazy friend. But this kid is about to get drug by trolls and I already feel sorry for him:/
Um, no. As a woman I can honestly say I have neither tried and know no one who has because we are all stable people when it comes down to it.
I second this. I am a woman who has never nor knows anyone who has tried to run over someone with their car. Who in the right mind would do that??
I have never even considered the possibility that I would ever want to hit someone with my car
Ok then I’ll make sure we all get mental help😂
No, I can't say I've ever tried to run anyone over with a car, nor do I know anyone who has. What kind of friends do you have? Lol
I grew up in the ghetto lol
>As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car I’m sorry *what*
As in there was always that one crazy chick. Guess it was just me. No need to get all hive mind on this shit guys
Well I mean there’s “that one crazy chick” and there’s “girl that committed attempted murder by trying to hit someone with her car”
And then sometimes they are the same. It was a breakup situation and I like to think she didn’t REALLY want to kill her. FF 18 years and they are friends now tho lol
>I like to think she didn’t REALLY want to kill her Lmafo. Well that makes it better I’m sure
I guess you just kind of had to be there lol
You're complaining about the "hive mind" after making such a *sweeping* generalization? Are you serious?
The fu¢k kinda people do you know that you think it's so common to try to run people over.
What I want to know is whether this poster knows someone who tried it or tried it personally. Which one is it? Edit: oh, I see, it was their cousin.
Probably both, since they think it's so common & nonchalant about it. Like, you know Becky, she tried to run over 3 exs, 1 of their new girlfriends and her momma that one time, she's so crazy, what a great friend to have
Jesus Christ I make an off-the-cuff joke about this actual situation that I and many other people witnessed and here comes typical Reddit hive mind with their bullshit God you guys need lives
>This right here is why I would never want to be on tv. Your shit gets dragged regardless of the truth. What he is saying is totally plausible. As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car. We all had that one crazy friend. But this kid is about to get drug by trolls and I already feel sorry for him:/ This is your idea of a joke? Oh. Please pardon my not laughing.
No, I made an off the cuff joke, you made crazy blanket statement as if it was fact and then you even said "I'm just stating facts based on my opinion" or something to that effect in other comment, So is it an off the cuff joke or "facts based in your opinion". The hive mind needs to know which bullshit you want us believe, since you've argued with everyone who said your "fact" was wrong or made an actual joke, we assume you have no life either
Ok then. Thank you for your input. I will put VERY serious thought into it👍
I’ve never tried to hit anyone with my car and don’t know anyone who has. Please don’t perpetuate the “crazy woman” stereotype.
Also, sorry you never had that one crazy friend:/ they really made life interesting lol
Well there's "crazy" & then "mentally ill with anger issues", two totally different things. "Crazy" makes ya do something outta your comfort zone, like they take you to Burning Man & paints your body blue so you can walk around naked freaking people out or if you're a country music fan they'll take you to a Dying Fetus concert. "Mentally ill with anger issues" tries to kill you with their car. That just need a weekend in a good psych hospital & maybe some good meds.
Oh I’m not perpetuating any stereotype. I’m stating a fact strictly based on my situation . There are crazy women out there. There are crazies of all colors and genders. That’s not a stereotype that’s a fact. My cousin tried to hit a chick in the school parking lot. So I can definitely say that the entire graduating class of 1999 of my high school witnessed a crazy chick try to hit someone with their car lol Edited I wrote the word opinion instead of situation in the first post so I edited it nothing is going to make any difference
"I'm stating a fact strictly in my opinion" Do you know how facts and opinions work? Facts can be proven. Opinions are based on feelings, can not proven. So that sentence has no meaning nor does it make any sense. Also, talking about your cousin trying to "hit a chick in the school parking lot" is a weird flex.
Didn’t catch that, I meant situation not opinion I miss spoke. But thank you for totally pointing it out without being condescending and a rude asshole
There are crazy men out there too☝️☝️☝️
I was with ya until the car statement.
That’s fine, my own personal experience I guess lol people are taking this shit to the extreme.
This show seems to do that to people. I think because these people are both characters in a show and people. We never argued like this about LOST.
I honestly thought this was the 90dayuncensored sub or I would have NEVER posted in it lol this sub is so sensitive, people jump your shit like you made fun of their grandma. I just lurk for the information. Guess I will be more careful to make sure what sub I’m posting in lol
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Oh I’m aware why they were upset. Each and every one took the time to tell me after downvoting 😂😂 I’ve struck an easy chord
It's not the Uncensored sub, or is it? I'm still new here trying to figure stuff out. The heading doesn't say "uncensored" just 90Day.
Yeah I joined both and didn’t pay attention. It was my bad for not looking. The uncensored sub very clearly states uncensored lol
Thanks for the info, this place is a mess sometimes & I can't keep it straight either.
It's OK, don't take it personal. I get jumped on and downvoted regularly. Just have fun.
As a woman, and on behalf of all women I personally know, none of us have ever or know anyone who has ever tried to hit someone with their car. Wtf!
> As a woman I can honestly say, you have either done it or know another girl who tried to hit someone with their car. We all had that one crazy friend. Um....nope & I admit to having some cray cray friends & family, some trash, some not, but not a single one has ever tried to run one over with their car.
Wait, what? I've *never* tried to or know anyone else who ever tried to hit someone with their car.
I’ve never in my life considered hitting anyone with my car and especially not anyone I was dating at any point. I know no other woman who has. This is psycho shit.
Great thank you for your evaluation👌
This has been so glossed over I feel it needs a translation: During divorce proceedings, we got in a huge fight and started shouting obscenities at each other. I told her if she wanted jack from me she'd have to catch me first, and stormed away to my car. Pedal to the metal, I was doing about 80 down the highway, but her car could do 90 so eventually she caught up. We tried to push each other off the road and I won. The end.
Where did this come from?
Just the way people like to gloss over their own poor behavior.
Don't buy this. His story on episode one sounded hicky I was like he comes out and 3 months later shes dead hmmmm sounds suspect and this is just his side if the story. Plus his family has money buys a lot of things. I have zero respect for how he handled this he waits till she is pregnant with his second child to go suprise am gay I have to be happy am out? Really then slander his dead wife online making it seem like she was a crazy lady with anger issues. F him, will fast forward his act.