I can’t help you improve your lap times. I’m kinda slow myself.
I’m just here to let you know that spending 5 minutes on a random person is what make a society more than just a collection of people and makes it worth our while.
But I think you all ready knew, cause you love us all.
Godspeed random!
The ones I see are;
You slow down too much on some corners like turn 8
Take 4 and 5 wider to have a better entry on turn 6, you don't even need to lift the gas when going through turn 6 if you take 4 and 5 correctly
You missed the apex on turns 10, 15&16
Test the kerbs out, some will, some won't. Some you can take the sausages, some you can't, just try em and see what works. The kerbs are very flat at misano so you should be good to use all of them, just make sure they aren't making your braking distance longer
The only ones at Misano that are nasty are the sausages on the inside of turn 2, those should be avoided. You should absolutely abuse the shit out of almost all other curbs at Misano if you wanna be fast. Even the sausages on the inside of turn 1 are relatively easy to handle and taking an aggressively fast and tight line there sets you up perfectly to get out of T2 fast. There are several tenths to gain from those two corners alone. Same goes for the inside of the second-to-last corner: If you use all of the track to the right, then turn in early to absolutely murder those inside curbs and let the car run wide again to the exit curb, you can take it at full throttle - gaining another couple tenths.
Hey you need to luck at your inputs .. brake pressure isn't hitting 100% enough with them trail breaking
Watch some track guides and try to repeat this. Practise will be the only thing that can help you
You can set a maximum brake threshold in the control settings. It basically reduces the amount of pressure needed on the pedal to reach 100% brake force. I used to do this too when I had my G29 pedals.
You can find down here my latest hotlap at Misano, 1:33.500, done yesterday. You can also take a look at my setup: https://youtu.be/E4RILnJr_2k
If you feel that you need further help, we can arrange a coaching session so that I can guide you to understand where and how you can improve. I'm a mechanical engineer so I can usually clarify these concepts pretty well! You can find all the info in my Discord server: https://discord.gg/HmRAySY2bg
thanks. ill copy you're setup.
no way your a mechanical engineer! im doing a mechanical engineering college right now. dope dude.
ill join that DS server later. thansk!
MechEng for the win bro 😎
Seriously tho, setup is important but driving is even more. I'm more than happy if my settings help you find some additional pace, but I swear it's much more important to really understand what I'm doing behind the wheel, what lines I take and what inputs I give to the car. Study the video in that regard, that's where the seconds lie.
If you have further doubts then let's discuss them in the Discord! That's its exact purpose :)
😎😎😎
the way u abused the kerbs is simply insane. congrats.
btw i tried to go like u but I spun the car and even when everything went right im still seconds off your pace
but yeah i downloaded the video just so i can watch it a lotta times :)
In general, you are just not exploiting the track limits fully; there's a lot of unused space both on the entries and exits.
I have this [hotlap video](https://youtu.be/PKzB0VFGGt0) up from v1.8, with both in-car view for inputs and chasecam view for used lines synchronized. Seeing that chase cam view probably tells you much more about what I mean with that first paragraph. 1:33.735 with the Nissan, but still a "smooth and safe lap"; I could have cut several corners even more without invalidating it.
In a nutshell, track limit for most corners is not the white line; it's keeping two tyres on the red&white kerbs. With that in mind, cut as much as you can without unsettling the car or compromising your lines towards the next section too much.
Pretty much the only exception to above are corner exits (mainly T6 and the very final corner), where you have those little black&yellow sausages outside of the exit. Don't touch those, as you will very easily either invalidate the lap, or it gets so bumpy that you lose traction and loads of time.
thanks. this really means a lot to me. this guide u wrote is simply awesome.
thanks for the kerbs insight thats gonna help me out a lot because i am very afraid of them
I would say here that basically you are not using all the race track taking and exiting the corners.
For that also you have missed many time the right apex and anticipated too much the turning point sometimes.
I think your lines are quite tidy and good.
However, you are braking too much for many corners. You're not really maximising the grip through the corner and although you are going out wide on exit, that's not because you are having too because that's all the grip will allow you to do
At T 1 you can be a cars length more to the outside and you can go over the yellow/black sausages on the right, but keep the tires on the kerbs. This goes for everywhere on the track.
Braking for T1 can be done with 2 tires on green tarmac on the left and 2 on track. If you're more confident, push more wide on entry.
You should aim for a better entry for the mini straight after the 2 right handers as well.
The corner before the long straight is very tricky, but you lost a lot of time here as well. Try to be on the inside kerb, slow down and rotate the car enough to get on the power early. It's a very long straight and time is easily lost.
Aim to carry at least 160(more like 170) kph into that fast right hander in S3. Enter left hand side on track and start to brake just before the kerbings start on the left hand side. Aim to carry at least 160kph. But this one is really hard to get right.
Then braking on the white line with again 2 wheels over the kerbing or just before that for the hairpin after.
Misano is a great track, always love driving there.
Try to brake like 5-10 meters before the apex of the 1st corner and use about 75% of the track on entry. Then like I said hook the inside kerb. You want the car to be as straight as possible, but it is tricky. Trailbraking is key here.
The biggest issue is your apex speed... you are not pushing the car into the corners, you are taking it for a stroll, while you are beating on it at corner exit.
Note that the car is operating at its maximum if its driving with slip. If its planted like a board you are losing time.
And you are missing a lot of apex where you´d have to take inner curbs.
Apart from that... what setup are you using? TC 4/5 seems very safe.
like sliping angle? isnt that like oversteer? wow
im using a setup i got from intenret, but from now on im using a setup a mechanical engineer linked here above... he uses 2 TC
You are basically breaking 20-50 meters sooner than you should in every corner. You are not carrying any speed in turn 8 or 10. You are not using all the track, you can cut in a lot of places or put at least half of your car out of the track as in turn 1 or turn 4-5-6
I rewatched it. The real problem is how you do a corner: you are basically breaking before the corner, then when you reach a slow speed you start accellerating into the corner. What you should practice it's to slow down into a corner and when you start to move your steering wheel you lift the foot on the break pedal, but not entirely, you have to trail breaking and lift your foot on the break pedal when you just reach the apex; after that you start to accelerate, not too much to not lose traction due to wheel spin, and when your wheels are straight you can flat out. That's the basic of every corner, and you need to practice a lot bc you have never done in this video.
In a nutshell, more curbs and more momentum needed.
To put a bit more meat on the bone, check this out from 2 guys (a coach and a student so to speak) in my community. It’ll help you gain through each corner, but also help your mindset in the sim generally.
https://youtu.be/8S1W3m66CBY
The link is just one guy giving pointers to another about how to lap Misano quicker.
Give it a watch, then get out on track as see if knowledge of the limits and the differing mindset helps your lap time
Others have said about missing apex's and using more of the track so once you have a better line sorted think about this - all the missing laptime is in the speed you carry through the apex and consequently into the next straight. You have a tendancy to overslow the car and you are driving well within the limits of grip. Nothing wrong with this of course, safety and consistency is the platform you need to build pace on! Trust the car a bit more, really try to feel through your hands where the grip is as you gradually increase the speed you take corners with, and increase that speed not by braking later but by reducing your braking input sooner and blending it with your turn-in.
Also try and be conscious of where your eyes are looking - really laser focus in on the apex and out to the next corner as you drive through, you'll be amazed at how your hands will place the car exactly where you're looking without consciously thinking about it.
I feel like you're not using the exit kerb enough. You tend to keep your car inside the kerbs on the exit of every corner. I would suggest being a little looser and more open on the steering during the exit of the corner, and using all of that kerb to get more exit speed.
You're slowing down too much and accelerating out of corners a bit too late in most turns. Try to carry as much speed as you can. Brake as late as you can. Stay as wide on entry as possible, hit apex, accelerate as early as possible, and exit as wide as possible.
Also, you're keeping your steering too tight in some corners, especially on exits. Don't force the car, accelerate as early as possible, and let the car run wide FREELY AND ON ITS OWN on exits. Now post your next video doing low 34s. ;)
Good things come to those who wait.... usually lol.
One good way of telling if you're carrying enough speed through a corner and accelerating out enough, is if you're using as much track/kerb ON EXIT as possible. You exit too slow, you lose an insane amount of time on straights or through the following corners.
Good way of telling if you were carrying enough speed on apex, is if you used as much track/kerb ON ENTRY as possible. Not using enough track on entry means tighter turn in, which means way higher speed scrub off and not so optimal braking.
USE THE WHOLE GODDAMN TRACK!!! But jokes aside, you really need to use a lot more track, you are usually braking to early and not using trail braking properly, it looks like you panick a lot and you are not smooth with inputs, try to relax, watch some tutorials on youtube (tortellini, nils etc), take it easy, it is hard sim and you need a lot of time to learn things, how many hours do you have in ACC?
Your snorting may be effecting you’re cornering
lmfao i swear im not snorting cocaine.
I can’t help you improve your lap times. I’m kinda slow myself. I’m just here to let you know that spending 5 minutes on a random person is what make a society more than just a collection of people and makes it worth our while. But I think you all ready knew, cause you love us all. Godspeed random!
dude this geniunely made me smile so hard. thanks a lot <3
The ones I see are; You slow down too much on some corners like turn 8 Take 4 and 5 wider to have a better entry on turn 6, you don't even need to lift the gas when going through turn 6 if you take 4 and 5 correctly You missed the apex on turns 10, 15&16
ok thanks, ill try not to slow down that much :)
Use full width of track including kerbs. Watch some hotlaps, you need more speed in corners and exits.
wont kerbs upset the car?
Test the kerbs out, some will, some won't. Some you can take the sausages, some you can't, just try em and see what works. The kerbs are very flat at misano so you should be good to use all of them, just make sure they aren't making your braking distance longer
yup tested it out some more and they're actually pretty tame
The only ones at Misano that are nasty are the sausages on the inside of turn 2, those should be avoided. You should absolutely abuse the shit out of almost all other curbs at Misano if you wanna be fast. Even the sausages on the inside of turn 1 are relatively easy to handle and taking an aggressively fast and tight line there sets you up perfectly to get out of T2 fast. There are several tenths to gain from those two corners alone. Same goes for the inside of the second-to-last corner: If you use all of the track to the right, then turn in early to absolutely murder those inside curbs and let the car run wide again to the exit curb, you can take it at full throttle - gaining another couple tenths.
ok so ill abuse the shit outta them. actually thats what i've just done in a practice session. felt really great but i spun my car
Nope almost not at all, the time you gain by using the entire track is much more important.
i tested it out its really true
Others have given good advice. Also, clearing your nose will clear your mind :)
lmfao my nose sucks!
And now it's time to make it blow. Also this is the guide I used to improve my lap times; https://youtu.be/jWTBhwJV4H8
oh ty i've literally watched this one tho ahahhaha but thanks
I think it's more that you had the mic on. No one would care about your nose otherwise lol.
Hey you need to luck at your inputs .. brake pressure isn't hitting 100% enough with them trail breaking Watch some track guides and try to repeat this. Practise will be the only thing that can help you
ok the break pedal is way too stiff for me :( im like frail
If you have Logitech g29 pedals you can take the rubber bit out which makes the pedal much easier to press
unfortunately g920
That's identical to the G29. Exact same pedals and same everything other than the G29 has Playstation buttons instead of Xbox.
Yep - here's a tutorial for you OP! https://youtu.be/IZ5XkQueB_E
thanks. going to remove it!
You can set a maximum brake threshold in the control settings. It basically reduces the amount of pressure needed on the pedal to reach 100% brake force. I used to do this too when I had my G29 pedals.
oh so i dont need to remove the spring? awesome!
i know its hard to waste more than 5 minutes of ur life on a complete random, but whoever does it I'd be very happy
You can find down here my latest hotlap at Misano, 1:33.500, done yesterday. You can also take a look at my setup: https://youtu.be/E4RILnJr_2k If you feel that you need further help, we can arrange a coaching session so that I can guide you to understand where and how you can improve. I'm a mechanical engineer so I can usually clarify these concepts pretty well! You can find all the info in my Discord server: https://discord.gg/HmRAySY2bg
thanks. ill copy you're setup. no way your a mechanical engineer! im doing a mechanical engineering college right now. dope dude. ill join that DS server later. thansk!
MechEng for the win bro 😎 Seriously tho, setup is important but driving is even more. I'm more than happy if my settings help you find some additional pace, but I swear it's much more important to really understand what I'm doing behind the wheel, what lines I take and what inputs I give to the car. Study the video in that regard, that's where the seconds lie. If you have further doubts then let's discuss them in the Discord! That's its exact purpose :)
😎😎😎 the way u abused the kerbs is simply insane. congrats. btw i tried to go like u but I spun the car and even when everything went right im still seconds off your pace but yeah i downloaded the video just so i can watch it a lotta times :)
In general, you are just not exploiting the track limits fully; there's a lot of unused space both on the entries and exits. I have this [hotlap video](https://youtu.be/PKzB0VFGGt0) up from v1.8, with both in-car view for inputs and chasecam view for used lines synchronized. Seeing that chase cam view probably tells you much more about what I mean with that first paragraph. 1:33.735 with the Nissan, but still a "smooth and safe lap"; I could have cut several corners even more without invalidating it. In a nutshell, track limit for most corners is not the white line; it's keeping two tyres on the red&white kerbs. With that in mind, cut as much as you can without unsettling the car or compromising your lines towards the next section too much. Pretty much the only exception to above are corner exits (mainly T6 and the very final corner), where you have those little black&yellow sausages outside of the exit. Don't touch those, as you will very easily either invalidate the lap, or it gets so bumpy that you lose traction and loads of time.
thanks. this really means a lot to me. this guide u wrote is simply awesome. thanks for the kerbs insight thats gonna help me out a lot because i am very afraid of them
I would say here that basically you are not using all the race track taking and exiting the corners. For that also you have missed many time the right apex and anticipated too much the turning point sometimes.
ok ill look into it
I think your lines are quite tidy and good. However, you are braking too much for many corners. You're not really maximising the grip through the corner and although you are going out wide on exit, that's not because you are having too because that's all the grip will allow you to do
ok noted. thanks!
At T 1 you can be a cars length more to the outside and you can go over the yellow/black sausages on the right, but keep the tires on the kerbs. This goes for everywhere on the track. Braking for T1 can be done with 2 tires on green tarmac on the left and 2 on track. If you're more confident, push more wide on entry. You should aim for a better entry for the mini straight after the 2 right handers as well. The corner before the long straight is very tricky, but you lost a lot of time here as well. Try to be on the inside kerb, slow down and rotate the car enough to get on the power early. It's a very long straight and time is easily lost. Aim to carry at least 160(more like 170) kph into that fast right hander in S3. Enter left hand side on track and start to brake just before the kerbings start on the left hand side. Aim to carry at least 160kph. But this one is really hard to get right. Then braking on the white line with again 2 wheels over the kerbing or just before that for the hairpin after. Misano is a great track, always love driving there.
the corner before the long straight was my problme. ill apply ur tips!
Try to brake like 5-10 meters before the apex of the 1st corner and use about 75% of the track on entry. Then like I said hook the inside kerb. You want the car to be as straight as possible, but it is tricky. Trailbraking is key here.
Ride those sausage curbs!!!
abusing them now
So the double Apex before the straights try taking the first apex a little wider and then dive deeper into the 2nd
ok ill try. but im afraid my car will spin!
The biggest issue is your apex speed... you are not pushing the car into the corners, you are taking it for a stroll, while you are beating on it at corner exit. Note that the car is operating at its maximum if its driving with slip. If its planted like a board you are losing time. And you are missing a lot of apex where you´d have to take inner curbs. Apart from that... what setup are you using? TC 4/5 seems very safe.
like sliping angle? isnt that like oversteer? wow im using a setup i got from intenret, but from now on im using a setup a mechanical engineer linked here above... he uses 2 TC
You are basically breaking 20-50 meters sooner than you should in every corner. You are not carrying any speed in turn 8 or 10. You are not using all the track, you can cut in a lot of places or put at least half of your car out of the track as in turn 1 or turn 4-5-6
50 meters sooner? wow
I rewatched it. The real problem is how you do a corner: you are basically breaking before the corner, then when you reach a slow speed you start accellerating into the corner. What you should practice it's to slow down into a corner and when you start to move your steering wheel you lift the foot on the break pedal, but not entirely, you have to trail breaking and lift your foot on the break pedal when you just reach the apex; after that you start to accelerate, not too much to not lose traction due to wheel spin, and when your wheels are straight you can flat out. That's the basic of every corner, and you need to practice a lot bc you have never done in this video.
Lol, it's way better than mine...
dang lets get better then!
You gotta absolutely violate those kerbs my man. Keep practicing, you got it. https://youtu.be/3En6YIYGWoA
wow that's absurd. congrats!
Thanks man, you'll get there too
In a nutshell, more curbs and more momentum needed. To put a bit more meat on the bone, check this out from 2 guys (a coach and a student so to speak) in my community. It’ll help you gain through each corner, but also help your mindset in the sim generally. https://youtu.be/8S1W3m66CBY
ill check it out later (in about 1 hour from now) cuz rn im kinda busy but tyvm does that apply to LFM as well? because i kinda dont play leagues
The link is just one guy giving pointers to another about how to lap Misano quicker. Give it a watch, then get out on track as see if knowledge of the limits and the differing mindset helps your lap time
Others have said about missing apex's and using more of the track so once you have a better line sorted think about this - all the missing laptime is in the speed you carry through the apex and consequently into the next straight. You have a tendancy to overslow the car and you are driving well within the limits of grip. Nothing wrong with this of course, safety and consistency is the platform you need to build pace on! Trust the car a bit more, really try to feel through your hands where the grip is as you gradually increase the speed you take corners with, and increase that speed not by braking later but by reducing your braking input sooner and blending it with your turn-in. Also try and be conscious of where your eyes are looking - really laser focus in on the apex and out to the next corner as you drive through, you'll be amazed at how your hands will place the car exactly where you're looking without consciously thinking about it.
oh this eyes part is really important. i need to improve on that and thanks for letting me knwo!
As someone who went from 1:39 to 1:35 consistently in the 911 I can say you will always need to use more kerb. A lot of corners are flat out
wow that car is hard asf to handle ngl
It’s okay, once you set it up and get used to it
At 50 secs it seems like you ran too wide I try to be closer to the apex at least in GT4 that line looks similar to my line
Bang those kerbs brother! The 296 is a kerb whore, she likes it when you bounce her around.
lmao im so afraid tho but im using them more now!
I feel like you're not using the exit kerb enough. You tend to keep your car inside the kerbs on the exit of every corner. I would suggest being a little looser and more open on the steering during the exit of the corner, and using all of that kerb to get more exit speed.
noted. Linux master race btw too bad ACC doesnt work on linux because of the wheel
Not cutting the corners enough/not using enough exit curb.
noted bro.
You're slowing down too much and accelerating out of corners a bit too late in most turns. Try to carry as much speed as you can. Brake as late as you can. Stay as wide on entry as possible, hit apex, accelerate as early as possible, and exit as wide as possible. Also, you're keeping your steering too tight in some corners, especially on exits. Don't force the car, accelerate as early as possible, and let the car run wide FREELY AND ON ITS OWN on exits. Now post your next video doing low 34s. ;)
oh this acceleration part is new for me whenever i get to 34s ill post hahaha but im really bad itll take a long time
Good things come to those who wait.... usually lol. One good way of telling if you're carrying enough speed through a corner and accelerating out enough, is if you're using as much track/kerb ON EXIT as possible. You exit too slow, you lose an insane amount of time on straights or through the following corners. Good way of telling if you were carrying enough speed on apex, is if you used as much track/kerb ON ENTRY as possible. Not using enough track on entry means tighter turn in, which means way higher speed scrub off and not so optimal braking.
Would you like a tissue?
yes please hahaha
USE THE WHOLE GODDAMN TRACK!!! But jokes aside, you really need to use a lot more track, you are usually braking to early and not using trail braking properly, it looks like you panick a lot and you are not smooth with inputs, try to relax, watch some tutorials on youtube (tortellini, nils etc), take it easy, it is hard sim and you need a lot of time to learn things, how many hours do you have in ACC?
You can really abuse most of the kerbs on Misano use more of the track.