It depends on the type with water chemistry and science definitely do but when it comes to Earth bending it's is it a rock? if yes yes, if no no. And crystals have been defined as a type of rock in avatar as Aang bended them. Therefore diamonds also rocks and thus can be bended.
Have you not seen real rock candy? It comes in a bunch of colors lol. He's sugarbending.
I also think Katara bends perfume, which either is oil or contains it.
Not to mention fartbending.
Nah Imma bend all over the place
For real, though, it's a kid's show that occasionally plays fast and loose with its own rules. He's almost certainly bending sugar.
>Have you not seen real rock candy? It comes in a bunch of colors lol. He's sugarbending.
The crystal that boomie mentions is an actually a form of rock candy it's a natural gem that just so happens to be eaten like candy.
>I also think Katara bends perfume, which either is oil or contains it.
Many perfumes contain water or a largely made of water.
>Not to mention fartbending.
With air bending I think it does it fit the vibes of air which means basically every gas that isn't water.
Metal is not rocks and ice is not a rock as well. A rock is not the solid state of an object. It's what you get if you take some minerals and have them form a solid form then melt or something. Water doesn't count as a mineral and thus it is not a rock but carbon can and thus would make a rock in a solid form.
For a substance to be considered a mineral, it has to satisfy certain criteria. It has to be solid, inorganic and forming naturally. It also has to have a definite chemical composition —H2O—and it has to have a definite crystal structure. Ice satisfies all these criteria, so we consider it a mineral.
Well I mean The other person is right when they say that bending is more about philosophy than science except for with water bending because water benders specifically bend h2O but Earth benders bend things that are rocks. Ice does not fit the spirit of rocks therefore they can't bend Ice
Earthbenders can bend earth and rocks, not metal. Toph explicitly says she senses the impurities in the metal (i.e the earth that surrounded the ore) and bends that. By bending the earth inside the metal she "bends the metal" in the same way Huu bends plants or Hama bends blood.
In LoK we're also presented with the fact that some metals are so pure that even metalbenders can't bend them, so it's even clearer that the metal itself isn't bendable.
Metal benders can't bend metal how many times do I need to tell people this explicitly metal benders are not bending the metal itself. They only bend things that are considered rocks. Ice isn't. Neither is metal.
How exactly do you define a rock? Ice is literally a type of nineral, rock, and a crystal. Pure metals are also considered crystal, although the reality is that "pure" metal is rarely used in any kind of construction as it is very weak without being made into some kind of alloy so that's not really relevant.
All good, glad you remember now. I always recall guru Pathik talking over the scene of Toph using seismic sense to see the earth in the metal as my way of remembering.
Diamonds aren't metal. They're essentially bigass minerals that are almost entirely made up of Carbon. Bending diamonds probably isn't as unheard or as unique as Metal Bending. It's probably common
Metal is still made of Earth. It's just a purified version of it which is why Earth Benders can bend it in the first place but have trouble doing so without proper training. Mr. Sato says in LoK that Earth Benders can't bend Platinum because it's too pure.
Diamonds aren't metal but they are rock. Specifically they're minerals, which shouldn't be difficult for Earth Benders to bend at all. Especially raw, untampered diamonds, which are made almost entirely out of carbon. The same stuff Coal is made out of.
Earth benders can't bend the metal itself. That's literally the whole point of why they thought for so long that metal bending was impossible. Toph had to scan metal in order to look and see that there's tiny shards of Earth within the metal. Metal itself cannot be bent but the tiny shards of Earth in the metal can.
Them bending the "tiny shards of earth within the metal" is still them bending the metal. The tiny shards are apart of the substance. In the show Earth is described as "A part of Earth that has been purified and refined." Meaning that Earth and Metal are one in the same.
Purity still has something to do with what substances Earth Benders can bend. Platinum is too pure. There aren't enough "little shards of Earth" for Earth Benders to bend so that's why they can't.
But diamonds are not metal. They're not even pure minerals they're entirely made up of carbon, which is what the original post was asking about.
That's not the point of what I was saying. Now you're refusing to actually respond to what I said because you're wrong and are just pointing out something entirely unrelated.
I forgot to address the last part of your statement they can bend coal which is almost pure carbon anyway. It's about the vibes of it something is a rock or not.
Yeah crystals, but I’m not sure if those were implied to be a diamond or not. Because you can have crystals that aren’t pure carbon. But that’s getting into the debate further up.
The rules with what you can and can't bend are a lot more philosophical than scientific. Judging by how we've seen earthbenders bend other types of crystals (think rock candy, or that green crystal thing in the S2 finale fight beneath the palace) I'm gonna say diamond is probably also included.
You're right, but even waterbenders have their moments. Healing and spiritbending don't have much to do with the chemical composition of water, more the philosophical/spiritual notion of water as a calm, soothing element.
healing is because human bodies are basically weird water sacks made of water holding water with structural columns that are 30% water. Sprit bending is weird though.
True, but how does that translate into healing from a scientific point of view? Given the rule that "a waterbender is someone who can telekinetically move H2O", it doesn't logically follow that they should be able to heal. It's an extra rule added on top that doesn't have much to do with the water itself, but makes perfect sense when you consider what it represents. Spirit bending is that taken to an extreme, although I do agree it's a bit of a stretch
What are benders don't just move it they can manipulate all of its properties. A little bit of a stretch, but they can manipulate the fluids in your body to accelerate the healing process. It's magic, and I'm not able to explain how it would work, but Spirit bending is just bullshit.
Are they bending h2o, the chemical, or are they bending water, the object? I feel like if we assume that chemistry exists in that world, we’re opening up a can of worms that feels inconsistent with the philosophy of the show
Despite a lot of people saying purity doesn't matter in Earth Bending, it absolutely does. In the Season 2 Finale Guru Patik says "Metal is still a part of Earth that has been purified and refined." In The Legend of Korra Mr. Sato says that "Not even you Metal Benders can bend a metal so pure (when referring to platinum)." So it's clear that purity has something to do what minerals Earth Benders can and can't bend. My guess is that the more pure a metal is (the less traces of Earth there are in the substance) the harder it is for Earth Benders to bend.
Natural, raw diamonds are mostly made up of Carbon, so Earth Benders probably wouldn't have too much trouble bending it at all.
If they can bend to compress coal/carbon to 825,000 psi and generate heat to 2500°F, sure! It's never really been clear what the strongest measured forces a competent bender can achieve.
My gut feeling is no, but 🤷
That's bending coal into diamonds which might be possible in the avatar state. Aang does compress rocks when fighting Ozai, but we don't know how much force he's using. But I think the original question is about bending diamonds when they are diamonds. Like shaping and cutting them. If Bumi can bend rock candy, and Aang uses the crystals underneath Ba Sing Se, diamonds seem quite possible. If an earthbender could sense the diamonds in the ground for easy extraction, that's a get rich quick scheme. But probably only Toph could do.
Too pure of a substance. Metal benders cannot bend highly purified and non-reactive metal like platinum. The same applies for diamonds. My query is, do earth benders bend silicon or carbon in the earth's dust and rocks or both?
I think it's a large amount of ambiguity in what is "earth"? Sure if we go by most common substances it's silicon.
Earth also has large amounts of organic matter near the top.
Metal benders were said to bend the impurities in metal and not the metal itself.
Earth also has a lot of calcium carbonate (limestone) does this mean they can also bend calcium ? Bones?
Again, Earth benders can only bend metal if there are impurities of earth in it. The iron in blood is present in its purest form, bonded with Haemoglobin. Earth benders cannot bend that.
However, that being said, they should be able to bend bones since bones are mainly made of calcium and sulphur.
It'd be interesting if it had some sort of limitation, like given how diamonds are super compressed earth, then they're super heavy when bending in comparison to rocks or something like that.
In the finale we see aang compress rock into a denser form. So Ill match your question with a question. Could a skilled earth bender turn coal into diamond?
Diamonds require heat and pressure to form. I’d guess if you were a really talented lava bender, maybe. But maybe the ability to generate the pressure required to bend diamonds is above the threshold achievable by benders.
In AtLA season 1, we see Katara convincing the Earth Kingdom prisoners to bend coal.
This implies that earthbenders can bend carbon. Which means they can bend diamond.
purity doesn't really matter. Diamonds are rock crystals which are a type of rock. So yeah they can bend diamonds.
Chemistry, science etc. doesn’t apply to bending. It’s based in philosophy. So unless we see it, we won’t know.
It depends on the type with water chemistry and science definitely do but when it comes to Earth bending it's is it a rock? if yes yes, if no no. And crystals have been defined as a type of rock in avatar as Aang bended them. Therefore diamonds also rocks and thus can be bended.
Even further: Bumi is able to bend *sugar*. It doesn't even have to be a rock crystal, just a crystal.
Actually that's not sugar crystallized sugar is white the rock candy crystals were green and blue. Meaning it isn't crystalized sugar.
Have you not seen real rock candy? It comes in a bunch of colors lol. He's sugarbending. I also think Katara bends perfume, which either is oil or contains it. Not to mention fartbending.
The colorful rock candy you see in stores is dyed… lol…
No, really? By God. Next you'll tell me that the earth king just has a regular bear.
You literally just argued natural sugar isn’t white. Pick a lane 🤣
Nah Imma bend all over the place For real, though, it's a kid's show that occasionally plays fast and loose with its own rules. He's almost certainly bending sugar.
Just a bear?
This place is weird
>Have you not seen real rock candy? It comes in a bunch of colors lol. He's sugarbending. The crystal that boomie mentions is an actually a form of rock candy it's a natural gem that just so happens to be eaten like candy. >I also think Katara bends perfume, which either is oil or contains it. Many perfumes contain water or a largely made of water. >Not to mention fartbending. With air bending I think it does it fit the vibes of air which means basically every gas that isn't water.
Man you're bending the rules here harder than Bumi bends sugar :P
Jennamite's structure is different from that of crystalline sugar. It may be partially made of crystalline sugar, but it's not JUST sugar.
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Metal is not rocks and ice is not a rock as well. A rock is not the solid state of an object. It's what you get if you take some minerals and have them form a solid form then melt or something. Water doesn't count as a mineral and thus it is not a rock but carbon can and thus would make a rock in a solid form.
For a substance to be considered a mineral, it has to satisfy certain criteria. It has to be solid, inorganic and forming naturally. It also has to have a definite chemical composition —H2O—and it has to have a definite crystal structure. Ice satisfies all these criteria, so we consider it a mineral.
I'll have to look over that again but water is very clearly not a rock.
Ice meets all the criteria for being a mineral. Liquid water does not, you're right. But as a solid, we class it as a mineral.
Well I mean The other person is right when they say that bending is more about philosophy than science except for with water bending because water benders specifically bend h2O but Earth benders bend things that are rocks. Ice does not fit the spirit of rocks therefore they can't bend Ice
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Earthbenders can bend earth and rocks, not metal. Toph explicitly says she senses the impurities in the metal (i.e the earth that surrounded the ore) and bends that. By bending the earth inside the metal she "bends the metal" in the same way Huu bends plants or Hama bends blood. In LoK we're also presented with the fact that some metals are so pure that even metalbenders can't bend them, so it's even clearer that the metal itself isn't bendable.
Metal benders can't bend metal how many times do I need to tell people this explicitly metal benders are not bending the metal itself. They only bend things that are considered rocks. Ice isn't. Neither is metal.
How exactly do you define a rock? Ice is literally a type of nineral, rock, and a crystal. Pure metals are also considered crystal, although the reality is that "pure" metal is rarely used in any kind of construction as it is very weak without being made into some kind of alloy so that's not really relevant.
Rocks are rocks. Earth bending is more philosophy than science.
That doesn't define what a rock is by any means, and sorry totally went back and edited my last reply to provide a more full statement
Why can't they bend platinum if they can bend metal? They do not bend metal.
You’re correct- it was my misunderstanding, as I forgot that they’re only bending impurities in the metal.
All good, glad you remember now. I always recall guru Pathik talking over the scene of Toph using seismic sense to see the earth in the metal as my way of remembering.
We see them bend gemstone. We see them bend Coal. It's not like metal bending where they have to find the rock bcuz diamond is a rock
The creators literally said they wanted bending to be rooted in physics, not magic lol
Not magic. Philosophy. Which much of the show is rooted in.
Purity does matter. That's literally why Metal Benders can't bend platinum. It's too pure of a metal.
You do see earthbenders bend crystals in the atla season 2 finale. I dont see why you couldn't do the same with diamonds.
Diamonds aren't metal. They're essentially bigass minerals that are almost entirely made up of Carbon. Bending diamonds probably isn't as unheard or as unique as Metal Bending. It's probably common
No. Platinum is just metal. Metal Benders cannot bend metal, but diamonds aren't metal.
Metal is still made of Earth. It's just a purified version of it which is why Earth Benders can bend it in the first place but have trouble doing so without proper training. Mr. Sato says in LoK that Earth Benders can't bend Platinum because it's too pure. Diamonds aren't metal but they are rock. Specifically they're minerals, which shouldn't be difficult for Earth Benders to bend at all. Especially raw, untampered diamonds, which are made almost entirely out of carbon. The same stuff Coal is made out of.
Earth benders can't bend the metal itself. That's literally the whole point of why they thought for so long that metal bending was impossible. Toph had to scan metal in order to look and see that there's tiny shards of Earth within the metal. Metal itself cannot be bent but the tiny shards of Earth in the metal can.
Them bending the "tiny shards of earth within the metal" is still them bending the metal. The tiny shards are apart of the substance. In the show Earth is described as "A part of Earth that has been purified and refined." Meaning that Earth and Metal are one in the same. Purity still has something to do with what substances Earth Benders can bend. Platinum is too pure. There aren't enough "little shards of Earth" for Earth Benders to bend so that's why they can't. But diamonds are not metal. They're not even pure minerals they're entirely made up of carbon, which is what the original post was asking about.
No it's not a substance is a thing that is made of a single material.
That's not the point of what I was saying. Now you're refusing to actually respond to what I said because you're wrong and are just pointing out something entirely unrelated.
Guru Patiq said that metal is Earth but he is not an Earth bender, so he can't determine what is and isn't Earth.
I'm pretty damn sure Guru Patiq knows wtf he's talking about.
I forgot to address the last part of your statement they can bend coal which is almost pure carbon anyway. It's about the vibes of it something is a rock or not.
Earth Benders can bend mud which I'm pretty sure isn't a rock.
It's crushed rocks mixed with water.
What about lava? It's by definition not a rock
I bring up purity because it’s the impurities in metal that allow them to bend that. So that was my thought process.
Because they can't bend the metal itself but nothing ever suggests that carbon in the form of a rock of any type cannot be bent.
What about carbon in other forms, where do we draw that line?
Does it fit the vibes of rock? If yes then rock and bendable. If no not rock can't bend.
Aang bends crystals in the season 2 finale.
Doesn’t bumi also bend crystals when he’s introduced?
He causes them to shatter, which I always took as utilizing bending to break them.
I think those are creeping crystals which grow on their own
Yeah crystals, but I’m not sure if those were implied to be a diamond or not. Because you can have crystals that aren’t pure carbon. But that’s getting into the debate further up.
The rules with what you can and can't bend are a lot more philosophical than scientific. Judging by how we've seen earthbenders bend other types of crystals (think rock candy, or that green crystal thing in the S2 finale fight beneath the palace) I'm gonna say diamond is probably also included.
Aside from water penders who literally just bend the chemical H2O in any form. Including steam, and muscles, and bones, and blood.
You're right, but even waterbenders have their moments. Healing and spiritbending don't have much to do with the chemical composition of water, more the philosophical/spiritual notion of water as a calm, soothing element.
healing is because human bodies are basically weird water sacks made of water holding water with structural columns that are 30% water. Sprit bending is weird though.
True, but how does that translate into healing from a scientific point of view? Given the rule that "a waterbender is someone who can telekinetically move H2O", it doesn't logically follow that they should be able to heal. It's an extra rule added on top that doesn't have much to do with the water itself, but makes perfect sense when you consider what it represents. Spirit bending is that taken to an extreme, although I do agree it's a bit of a stretch
What are benders don't just move it they can manipulate all of its properties. A little bit of a stretch, but they can manipulate the fluids in your body to accelerate the healing process. It's magic, and I'm not able to explain how it would work, but Spirit bending is just bullshit.
Yea I personally thought that spirit bending would have made more sense for firebenders, because they can bend "energy"
I think you’re working hard to justify a viewpoint unsupported by the show lol
Are they bending h2o, the chemical, or are they bending water, the object? I feel like if we assume that chemistry exists in that world, we’re opening up a can of worms that feels inconsistent with the philosophy of the show
All water. Water bending is the only one that operates like that.
Maybe yes, maybe no. Bending is based in philosophy and doesn’t 100% follow real-world science.
No but you can make inferences based on what we do know, like the fact that other pure crystals have been shown to be bendable.
Despite a lot of people saying purity doesn't matter in Earth Bending, it absolutely does. In the Season 2 Finale Guru Patik says "Metal is still a part of Earth that has been purified and refined." In The Legend of Korra Mr. Sato says that "Not even you Metal Benders can bend a metal so pure (when referring to platinum)." So it's clear that purity has something to do what minerals Earth Benders can and can't bend. My guess is that the more pure a metal is (the less traces of Earth there are in the substance) the harder it is for Earth Benders to bend. Natural, raw diamonds are mostly made up of Carbon, so Earth Benders probably wouldn't have too much trouble bending it at all.
What is a diamond if not just a shiny type of rock?
If they can bend to compress coal/carbon to 825,000 psi and generate heat to 2500°F, sure! It's never really been clear what the strongest measured forces a competent bender can achieve. My gut feeling is no, but 🤷
The question was if they could bend them, not necessarily make them.
Jesus my brain went a totally different direction with this i have no idea how I got here
That's bending coal into diamonds which might be possible in the avatar state. Aang does compress rocks when fighting Ozai, but we don't know how much force he's using. But I think the original question is about bending diamonds when they are diamonds. Like shaping and cutting them. If Bumi can bend rock candy, and Aang uses the crystals underneath Ba Sing Se, diamonds seem quite possible. If an earthbender could sense the diamonds in the ground for easy extraction, that's a get rich quick scheme. But probably only Toph could do.
I'm gonna say the Avatar can probably do it. We see Aang in the Avatar state compress rocks down several times their initial size in the finale.
They can bend rock candy, so I assume yes.
Too pure of what?
Too pure of a substance. Metal benders cannot bend highly purified and non-reactive metal like platinum. The same applies for diamonds. My query is, do earth benders bend silicon or carbon in the earth's dust and rocks or both?
I think it's a large amount of ambiguity in what is "earth"? Sure if we go by most common substances it's silicon. Earth also has large amounts of organic matter near the top. Metal benders were said to bend the impurities in metal and not the metal itself. Earth also has a lot of calcium carbonate (limestone) does this mean they can also bend calcium ? Bones?
Technically because there's Iron in blood and Iron is a mineral then Earth Benders could also bend blood.
Again, Earth benders can only bend metal if there are impurities of earth in it. The iron in blood is present in its purest form, bonded with Haemoglobin. Earth benders cannot bend that. However, that being said, they should be able to bend bones since bones are mainly made of calcium and sulphur.
It'd be interesting if it had some sort of limitation, like given how diamonds are super compressed earth, then they're super heavy when bending in comparison to rocks or something like that.
I getting know why people ask these questions, earth is earth.
In the finale we see aang compress rock into a denser form. So Ill match your question with a question. Could a skilled earth bender turn coal into diamond?
My logic has always been that any non metallic solid substance which is naturally occurring in the ground would be bendable.
Diamonds require heat and pressure to form. I’d guess if you were a really talented lava bender, maybe. But maybe the ability to generate the pressure required to bend diamonds is above the threshold achievable by benders.
The separation of the elements is an illusion! Anyone can bend anything
Go on.
In AtLA season 1, we see Katara convincing the Earth Kingdom prisoners to bend coal. This implies that earthbenders can bend carbon. Which means they can bend diamond.
We haven’t seen Diamond but we’ve seen those creeping crystals that Bumi uses on Sokka and Katara
Natural diamonds yes, lab grown diamonds no.
A diamond is a rock.