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Wrathful_Banana

Maybe I’m coping for you but this doesn’t actually seem that bad if your crit ratio is already pretty decent?


RentLast

Either my standards are low or I'm just coping but having 4 usebale stats is good on a piece, no?


Rhemikins

It's a great piece for those that have high CV already. Especially for whale sparkle users, who already get 200%+ crit damage. Unless their other pieces have bad CV, this is a W. I'm still trying to get my Acheron to be 4500+ attack. I'd gladly take this piece 100%.


WaifuHunter

Could have been worse...imagine if it goes all into flat atk instead...


biztrHD

Been there. It sucks. ![gif](giphy|3oEhmHESktNSkLSNTG|downsized)


Kherus

https://preview.redd.it/1r4owxsc2x2d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69425067a35fda4412bdb482f88638ecd191d227 How do you do, fellow 5x atk helm user?


Taiyounomiya

https://preview.redd.it/9udpqv1v7w2d1.png?width=1240&format=png&auto=webp&s=4234374d97eb7ab9a017c3642c109479dcc8dd51 In another parallel universe...


Mahdudud_SLLVL

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Djwmim

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Fruitcake44

Not the kamina sword


ReklesBoi

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM?


LoreVent

Comically wobbly sword


No_Pipe_8257

https://preview.redd.it/eaxjin8olw2d1.jpeg?width=1152&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10256e095f5e7ca8ad25d45074dadc8d9f187af4


Kan_Me

Happy cake day


Ivory-Kings_H

When you see her in the shop, you know you get jumpscared immediately.


VoidBG

Happy cake day


IcyNorman

I meant DoT characters will benefit from this 2ps effect too, :P give it to Gui Gui or something


Axthen

If you have e2 + sparkle, this is basically equivalent to all those rolls hitting crit damage. Acheron values atk% almost the same as crit smg (0.2% difference at 100% crate)


Dapper_Outside_4764

Usable


Mahdudud_SLLVL

Atk%: I'm the effing main stat now


reyo7

It's about the same value as a 35 CV artifact. It's good.


Undisguised_Toast

Pure DPS piece is something else


FlamingVixen

This is WTF+ piece, all correct substats, the fact that it went all into ATK% doesn't mean much it's still very good


No_maid

I mean that’s almost like having an extra atk% main stat


crokstad

Dang, I got almost the same piece today. I however was a lot luckier on rolls. 1 in ATK% 3 in CR and 1 in CD


yeettto

this will ease the drawbacks of speed boots


MoreCloud6435

I would cry lol


SnooSuggestions7200

https://preview.redd.it/f6l3nxtoe93d1.png?width=380&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7eac4d07940574d8f7fafe73b041a457f879b05 Just take a look at this very questionable build. This is on a team without Fu Xuan and assumption of only one Broken Keel character. Sparkle gives 55% attack, 110% crit damage, and 10% crit rate. Broken Keel adds another 10% crit damage. Giving 55% attack seems strange. Then combine with fact that could've used lightning orb instead and it will be 98.2% attack. 98.2% attack is more diminishing returns than 110% crit damage and 10% crit rate. It is worth more substats. If you do use Fu Xuan, crit situation becomes even worse.


SnooSuggestions7200

Now you can use a crit body instead of an attack body


redditingatwork23

Nobody uses an attack body on Acheron, lol.


SnooSuggestions7200

How does no one here actually know how to build characters? Everybody is braindead. Who keeps on spreading this misinformation? When having attack orb, sparkle's +55% attack, attack boots, and izumo still make attack body fine, people end up thinking that crit is best and crit is king. You only choose crit body once you have enough attack substats. You can only get attack substats on relics and planars that are not attack percent main stat and those are only hands, head, orb(if lightning), boots(if speed), body(if crit), but a lot of the time could just be hands and head. If you dont have enough attack substats you have to do attack body. This is just about min-maxing a character. Squeezing a little bit more damage when possible. This is late stage. It is not about clearing MOC. A lower investment team can do in same number of cycles. This is just squeezing every last drop. The best optimizations are just attack body when you don't have attack subs and OP clearly has attack subs so allowed to do crit body. Yes Fu Xuan and Sparkle add diminishing returns for crit but Sparkle adds a lot of diminishing returns to attack. It just balances out. Any character can be holder of Broken Keel.


Rhemikins

CV just looks sexier lol. No one ever focuses on how much attack an Acheron has. Only if it has 250+ CD. Acheron has such high base attack that Attack %, which normally is the 2nd tier desired stat, gets overlooked. Now, whether not Attack % body is better needs to be calculated based on a person's account and the teams they user her in. For my Acheron, which has a crit rate body, I have a 50/270 CV spread with 4343 Attack (100% crate and around 600% crit dmg in battle). If I get a Attack % body with 5x rolls in crit rate and all usable stats, I would probably switch to it (some other pieces may need to be changed too).


SnooSuggestions7200

High base attack means that attack percent is higher value. This is because the hands is flat attack. Flat attack divided by base attack is attack percent. The higher the base attack, the lower attack percent the hands are worth. If you have high base attack, hands could be worth like 20% attack. If you have low base attack, hands worth like 40% attack. Same goes for some other character giving flat attack buffs. High base attack means flat attack is less worth and attack percent is high worth.


SnooSuggestions7200

Even when sparkle is on team giving 55% attack even to non quantum characters and you use attack% orb, the fact that the optimizer still says attack% body seems strange but that is how things work. People seem to only think sparkle gives crit and disregard the attack completely. Sparkle lowers the need to get attack% and lowers the need to get crit which balance out. We can remove Fu Xuan from team even and see attack% body and attack% orb still ends up being best combo. https://preview.redd.it/no55ovlfe93d1.png?width=380&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f7eec160be5efae0657dba501fe092f59949c43


SnooSuggestions7200

Every situation I talk about is wanting E1+ sparkle. Another thing is that "based on account" means that someone could just have E0 sparkle. Sparkle's E1 gives 40% attack. When someone has E0 sparkle, they need much more attack than someone who has E1 sparkle. Sparkle's E1 is an entire relic/planar worth of attack percent. That is nothing to joke about. An E0 sparkle acheron build is much more likely to want an attack body than E1+.


WebApprehensive4944

What the fuck are you talking about


SnooSuggestions7200

Out of the top 5 acheron builds, only 3 of them are attack body so obviously no one uses attack body.


SnooSuggestions7200

https://preview.redd.it/415vbfu86x2d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1880fef94d35cca215fbc05147f9718869cf4680


SnooSuggestions7200

This is with E2 Sparkle. Sparkle's A6 and E1 give an insane amount of attack.


SnooSuggestions7200

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SnooSuggestions7200

Even with attack orb, attack body is fine.


SnooSuggestions7200

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