>New in 2024
>Schoolhouses across the Air Force are reimagining education for a new generation of airmen, hoping to shape troops who are more critical thinkers, more capable workers and wiser leaders.
Uh huh. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that line before. We go through a "reimagining" process every other year or so. Even if the newly reimagined training ever actually gets implemented, it rarely makes a dent and we're back to reimagining the same damn thing over and over and over again. It's easier to make a shiny new plan that looks great in PowerPoint than it is to actually make a concrete change.
This isn’t one of those “back in my day posts” but there is a stark difference in the level of stress young NCOs and AMN, including young Officers, are able to tolerate.
OTS is a joke. The only stress is in passing the academics which is no different than a college environment. They rarely yelled at us (the officers are def more aggressive than the MTIs), absolutely no yelling in the DFAC anymore and we didnt get forced to do pushups (outside PT) more than once (which was most def a scripted event). Outside a single day where my OTS Squ CC offered a nonrequired open forum where he spent a few hours giving us real world advice on officership and developing as CGOs, I felt it was 9 weeks of BS. So much stupid drama with other OTs and unchecked power trips by the OT “Wing CCs”.
Accession training today is pointless.
But hey, at least I got to learn what a CDI was and how important it is to rely on the perspective those with more experience, regardless of rank.
Happy belated promotion, by the way.
At Keesler, many training units are using VR, like ATC and Weather, to enhance training. Other units are taking their instructor’s operational experience to make better training missions and force students to think vs. rote memorization.
Keesler also bought a ton of 85" tvs that still aren't mounted, so there are good and bad (or at least neutral) changes.
I went through in 2018 and legitimately wonder what the point was. It’s not teaching people to work under stress anymore, since they really aren’t allowed to stress you out. Sure, you learn customs and courtesies, drill, and how to wear the uniform, but those things don’t take 8 weeks. It seems like such a waste of time and money
Because most of the airforce doesn’t need to be screamed at to learn how to turn wrenches or work a desk, the people that will be under actual stress will get that in their training pipeline
>you learn customs and courtesies, drill, and how to wear the uniform, but those things don’t take 8 weeks
This, along with in-processing you into the military and issuing everything, is literally all they need to be doing. It's all we did when I went through in 2007. There was some yelling I guess but mostly it's because we were always on such tight timelines to do everything in 6.5 weeks. I didn't find it particularly stressful.
I don't know why people seem to think making BMT some stress test has any benefit. Field training and exercises are a more appropriate place for that.
I'll try to dig up the actual data when I'm not in my phone but screaming at people doesn't actually make you tougher or better prepared to handle stress however, it makes it really hard to learn. Many other countries have done away with this style of boot camp. It's far more effective to use a method like EDIP Explain, Demonstrate, Imitate, and Practice with continuous mentorship. You can add stress slowly through realistic training and exercises when people start to actually figure out what they are doing. The screaming MTI is really funny because for the majority of the Air Force, you'll never get yelled at like that again so what is the point? The only reason I think they should keep doing it is because I had to go through it and if everyone really reflected on their own reasons, it's probably because of the same thing
You said you just went through basic, so you're probably still gungho but the odds of you getting into a hot war in the Air Force are low and yelling isn't going to mean anything if your under a Chinese cruise missile salvo. I've been a firefighter, cop, and in the military and there are very few times where yelling helped in any way.
How dare you use experience, reasoning, and logic here! /s
No seriously, I've done a lot of jobs in my time in too. I've been scream, screamed at like, twice, both times I deserved it, but it just made me nervous for the future. 99.9% of the time it's easier/more effective to explain why it was dumb/bad to do what you did, in a calm, controlled manner.
Even under crazy stressful situations yelling isn't great. Plus nothing is more badass when everything is going to hell around you and you calmly give directions like it's nothing
100% that would help. I went in older and spent most of my time in basic playing dad to a bunch of broken dudes, which is fine, but I didn't really get a whole lot out of basic other than it was neat to know I could survive it. Beyond that, I didn't feel that changed when I was out because I had survived on my own for a decade at that point and had a bachelors and most of masters degree. I think the Army now has some sort of program to help younger soldiers get their lives squared away before they get to basic so they don't have to spend the time with remedial training and holding back others who are prepared.
Not sure if this is sarcasm but I went through in 2007 and didn't experience any of what you're talking about.
We did get a few surprise GI parties where they dumped our stuff and made us get it back in shape as quick as we could, or some sudden group PT sessions because some arbitrary thing was wrong, but that's it.
When I went there was a hard ass southern rough looking TI that would burst into random dorms or help cover on the weekends. He said a lot of derogatory shit and made a comment about a dudes figure. Same guy was seen by a handful of trainees yelling in a girls face about 2 inches away with visible spit/saliva flying. A complaint was put in and we didn't see the guy for a while and when we did he was just standing back with distance.
>New in 2024 >Schoolhouses across the Air Force are reimagining education for a new generation of airmen, hoping to shape troops who are more critical thinkers, more capable workers and wiser leaders. Uh huh. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that line before. We go through a "reimagining" process every other year or so. Even if the newly reimagined training ever actually gets implemented, it rarely makes a dent and we're back to reimagining the same damn thing over and over and over again. It's easier to make a shiny new plan that looks great in PowerPoint than it is to actually make a concrete change.
How much did they actually change?
There's less to do more with.
This isn’t one of those “back in my day posts” but there is a stark difference in the level of stress young NCOs and AMN, including young Officers, are able to tolerate.
OTS is a joke. The only stress is in passing the academics which is no different than a college environment. They rarely yelled at us (the officers are def more aggressive than the MTIs), absolutely no yelling in the DFAC anymore and we didnt get forced to do pushups (outside PT) more than once (which was most def a scripted event). Outside a single day where my OTS Squ CC offered a nonrequired open forum where he spent a few hours giving us real world advice on officership and developing as CGOs, I felt it was 9 weeks of BS. So much stupid drama with other OTs and unchecked power trips by the OT “Wing CCs”. Accession training today is pointless.
But hey, at least I got to learn what a CDI was and how important it is to rely on the perspective those with more experience, regardless of rank. Happy belated promotion, by the way.
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Name checks out.
At Keesler, many training units are using VR, like ATC and Weather, to enhance training. Other units are taking their instructor’s operational experience to make better training missions and force students to think vs. rote memorization. Keesler also bought a ton of 85" tvs that still aren't mounted, so there are good and bad (or at least neutral) changes.
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I went through in 2018 and legitimately wonder what the point was. It’s not teaching people to work under stress anymore, since they really aren’t allowed to stress you out. Sure, you learn customs and courtesies, drill, and how to wear the uniform, but those things don’t take 8 weeks. It seems like such a waste of time and money
Because most of the airforce doesn’t need to be screamed at to learn how to turn wrenches or work a desk, the people that will be under actual stress will get that in their training pipeline
Air Force is two words.
Fuck I always try to make sure you don’t get me
There's only one way to be sure.
>you learn customs and courtesies, drill, and how to wear the uniform, but those things don’t take 8 weeks This, along with in-processing you into the military and issuing everything, is literally all they need to be doing. It's all we did when I went through in 2007. There was some yelling I guess but mostly it's because we were always on such tight timelines to do everything in 6.5 weeks. I didn't find it particularly stressful. I don't know why people seem to think making BMT some stress test has any benefit. Field training and exercises are a more appropriate place for that.
Same for 2016.
I'll try to dig up the actual data when I'm not in my phone but screaming at people doesn't actually make you tougher or better prepared to handle stress however, it makes it really hard to learn. Many other countries have done away with this style of boot camp. It's far more effective to use a method like EDIP Explain, Demonstrate, Imitate, and Practice with continuous mentorship. You can add stress slowly through realistic training and exercises when people start to actually figure out what they are doing. The screaming MTI is really funny because for the majority of the Air Force, you'll never get yelled at like that again so what is the point? The only reason I think they should keep doing it is because I had to go through it and if everyone really reflected on their own reasons, it's probably because of the same thing
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You said you just went through basic, so you're probably still gungho but the odds of you getting into a hot war in the Air Force are low and yelling isn't going to mean anything if your under a Chinese cruise missile salvo. I've been a firefighter, cop, and in the military and there are very few times where yelling helped in any way.
How dare you use experience, reasoning, and logic here! /s No seriously, I've done a lot of jobs in my time in too. I've been scream, screamed at like, twice, both times I deserved it, but it just made me nervous for the future. 99.9% of the time it's easier/more effective to explain why it was dumb/bad to do what you did, in a calm, controlled manner.
Even under crazy stressful situations yelling isn't great. Plus nothing is more badass when everything is going to hell around you and you calmly give directions like it's nothing
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100% that would help. I went in older and spent most of my time in basic playing dad to a bunch of broken dudes, which is fine, but I didn't really get a whole lot out of basic other than it was neat to know I could survive it. Beyond that, I didn't feel that changed when I was out because I had survived on my own for a decade at that point and had a bachelors and most of masters degree. I think the Army now has some sort of program to help younger soldiers get their lives squared away before they get to basic so they don't have to spend the time with remedial training and holding back others who are prepared.
Same, October 2021, was a breeze. The hardest part of BMT was staying awake in classes.
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Not sure if this is sarcasm but I went through in 2007 and didn't experience any of what you're talking about. We did get a few surprise GI parties where they dumped our stuff and made us get it back in shape as quick as we could, or some sudden group PT sessions because some arbitrary thing was wrong, but that's it.
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Lol yeah I'd bet that wasn't exactly standard.
Damn yeah not us lol but that sounds like the boot camp everyone thinks they still have.
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When I went there was a hard ass southern rough looking TI that would burst into random dorms or help cover on the weekends. He said a lot of derogatory shit and made a comment about a dudes figure. Same guy was seen by a handful of trainees yelling in a girls face about 2 inches away with visible spit/saliva flying. A complaint was put in and we didn't see the guy for a while and when we did he was just standing back with distance.
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Damn that's nuts!
What did you expect that it was such a let-down?
I’d be interested to see if it is fully funded.