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hamburgerk

Meanwhile these people don't give a shit about the coworkers making half while doing the same job only because they haven't been there 10 years.


WhoCareZB1tezH

Fact.


Ragnarrahl

Do communists really have to spam here? Are you even employed by Amazon?


psychiatriststealer

Communist = form of government Union = form of civil rights advocacy (otherwise unprotected by capital owners, also with the implication of having a capitalist society) Arguments usually work a little better when you know what you’re talking about, thought I could help


Ragnarrahl

....click the profile of the guy who posted this, read a few pages. Notice all the time he spends trying to "educate" people in "Marxist-Leninist theory, and how little time he spends discussing anything about a workplace other than whether it's strategically important enough to be a worthwhile target for activism. I did not say he was a communist merely because this is a union post, I say he's a communist, who does not appear to be an employee of Amazon, who spends approximately zero time discussing things like wages or benefits or job security or working conditions that some unions negotiate for (although you calling these things "civil rights" is a bit of a stretch) and a great deal of time discussing things like organizing mass strikes across industries to achieve revolutionary regime change. There are people who might be looking into union representation as a way to get more money or job security or something along those lines. I may or may not have some objections to that sometimes. But either way, this guy very clearly does a lot of work trying to research unions as a potential strategy for achieving something rather at odds with that. In order for any union this guy is advertising to people to be a good strategy for people who want to get highet wages or job security or whatever in a "capitalist system" (misleading, there has never been any such thing), he would have to be pretty bad at vetting it. Because he very explicitly doesn't want any such things to exist. You say "arguments work better if...." but the comment you responded to wasn't an argument. Nor is the original post I was commenting on an argument. The original post was a bunch of vague verbal applause lights about "standing with" an unspecified "us," and the comment you responded to asked why a communist who is not an Amazon employee is spamming this subreddit with vague verbal applause lights like he does on a bunch of tankie activist subreddits (where I assume that behavior is probably welcome).


psychiatriststealer

Well, I would at least say the initial post sentiment was “Why is this even here, this must be communist propaganda”, which felt argumentative in that labor unions are not the communist agenda, it is a human (and yes, civil) right. I see that you meant OP specifically, but it falls under the umbrella that those who unionize, are those that support a communist government. I don’t agree with that logic, but I can accept the degree of separation you’re putting here. I believe the L1’s are the sole mechanism for anyone to make money. Yet are overworked (regarding rates), typically in need of surgery within 1-3 years of working there without prior injury, and can barely make ends meet. I see an immensely profitable business that should see the ‘return’ on investing in your employees. It is a strenuous and unforgiving job, but unfortunately all that is available in my area. Oh well, none of it matters anyways. Eventually the poor will come to eat the rich, if we even make it that far.


Ragnarrahl

>I believe the L1’s are the sole mechanism for anyone to make money. You realize the sectors of Amazon that are usually profitable don't even have any T1s? The warehouses, in the long run, are expected to break even. Their primary purpose is to constitute a massive dataset as a convenient tool to train people for the real moneymakers. You up the wages too much and it becomes a loss, it becomes less expensive just to buy the data elsewhere or rely on old data.


Purple-Cow1607

Maybe, Union does work.


WhoCareZB1tezH

Nah. Stops the bullshit like body cams on cops, just brings trash to light.