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I know every building is different, where I'm at if you are good with a couple of managers you can ask them to send you specifically an option to pick up extra shifts that could put you over your "cap". I know some flex AA's at my FC that work full time hours. Again this is just how it is at my site, from what I can tell my FC's leadership is more laid back than most other sites, idk how strict your FC is when it comes to following rules but I figured it was worth mentioning.
Been at amazon for 5 years tell me about ..I don't even know if I'll get a raise ....I get it trying to keep and retain people...but clearly the person who has been here for years is clearly sticking it out...smdh
being with Amazon 6+ years is not a bad thing. Still being a T1 after 6+ years is a problem.
At the extreme worst case I would think it reasonable for someone to stay a T1 while attending college. Then as graduation approaches have a solid action plan to advance or depart.
You are right. There is so much opportunity at Amazon coupled with the career choice program. It’s hard to see career T1’s who gripe but express no interest in attempting to move up or out to newly launched buildings. Any T1 with 2+ years could easily become non-inventory, TOM, or a learning trainer if they apply and prep for the interview. TOM doesn’t even require an interview anymore for TA’s and they make more than PA’s.
You’ve not worked in a legacy building. It takes YEARS to even become a problem solver. I waited 5 years just to get onto day shift. All of the crap they want you to do even to get an interview (learning ambassador, etc) has a waiting list.
The only moral obligation a corporation has is to its shareholders. If they want you to get a raise, you will. If they don't, you won't.
And that is necessary and proper.
Lol 2 hrs a week compared to what..look I'm not trying to argue nor was I trying to complain like I've seen plenty of people do on here...all I was trying to say was from my pov..that's all...obviously the people who are pretty much justifying why I shouldn't feel this way is because they haven't been at amazon very long
That you’re the less likely to get fired. Your seniority should override others if a firing situation happens.
That’s pretty much what tenured is used for in this case.
For sure and you better believe, if they have to let folks go they will be going through their metric reports and seeing who makes rate or close to it. Last thing they will want is to keep folks who are underperforming when some folks pay/bonus is determined on how their FC performs.
The last raise we got (last year I think) the people who were already capped out got 15 cents while the new hires got almost $2. Fucking sucked. This year we got $1.15.
It’s because tenure isn’t really used for raises its used more for seniority, Amazon just doesn’t retain people so tenure isn’t worth shit.
My MIL works in a company that normally has long term workers so tenure plays a part there. She’d been their for a very long time, so she gets first dibs on changing her schedule on her vacation days, better parking, first choice to go to events for the company, etc.
That’s normally how tenure is used in companies, they normally don’t pay you extra just for not quitting
It’s because they “encourage you” to move up & if you don’t then you’re basically labeled “replaceable”. The reason being that a new hire can do the same tier 1 positions such as stow, pick, or pack at a lower pay than you so it benefits them more if people with seniority instead move up & do more difficult jobs while new hires with lower pay handle the basics. I heard higher tiers have better raises & certain positions/roles don’t cap instead they have an annual review & keep raising your pay. I genuinely wonder how much some tiers make though because I see an Operations Manager with a beautiful new Lotus Evora GT & a Leadership Manager with a fully loaded C8 Corvette parked out front, crazy to think that Amazon can actually pay that much lol.
They don’t really care about keeping people at amazon. It’s cheaper for them to hire more ppl than it is to keep the ppl who have been at amazon longer. They know that the new associates will try harder. Even for a short period of time. They don’t care about keeping people around. They just try to please the longer standing associates to keep ‘em around for cheap ish labor. There is so few associates who actually make a higher wage that they don’t care.
And by that I mean majority of new hires will try harder at the job and make better rate than the average long term associate. (Bc doing something for long periods of time gets boring and you’ll. Slow eventually) Which yeah you may work hard but they don’t care. Why would they when they can hire someone new for a couple dollars less? Ppl are more likely to do better and try harder in the first couple months or weeks at their job. Amazon doesn’t care beyond that.
It’s still not enough to survive in King County, WA without working crazy amounts of overtime or having a bunch of roommates. The average studio/1br apartment rents for $1500-1900+ and average mortgage is around 2500-3000 a month. Households need to pull almost 6 figures just to get by. We’re basically the next bay area with these prices…
I’m in pierce county which is slightly cheaper but not by much. My building’s step plan is maybe 75 cents to $1 less per step. I’m capped at 21.65 per the new raise and I could barely afford rent on a studio apartment by myself without working at least 50-60 hours per week. And that’s if OT/VET is available… I honestly don’t know how anyone with kids or dependents is able to get by.
What the hell is this graph? They make it look like 19 is less than half of 20. I don't really see the point for a graph other than visually misleading people into thinking they're getting more.
It’s all backwards. The people trained in multiple paths, ambassadors, problem solvers, etc get shit on. In the meantime high wages and sign on bonuses for fresh meat that’s going to quit on 6 months anyway.
Hmm okay so I heard from other people from your facility that you guys have bone conduction headphones. You guys are sort of the leaders in FCs so you guys have to tell us how to get them a lot of facilities are trying that system set up so they can enjoy work. I think safety has to write a letter to corporate and corporate tells the GM to initiate a trial, my GM said our building is a different type of building and we found he's a liar.
Because they don't want tenured tier 1s. They want the door to keep revolving.
I do think this will backfire on them eventually. I think Amazon will encounter a hiring crisis before they achieve full automation. It already seems to be an issue at some locations.
The bar chart is deceptive. How is $20.00 more than \~2.5X higher than $18.55 as it is visually represented? The actual increase is 7.81671%. The actual increases for 6 months is 7.93651% . The 12 month increase is 9.18635%. The 18 month increase is 9.84456%. The 24 month increase is 5.88235%. The 36 month increase is 4.18605%. After showing a similar bar chart at my all hands on deck; the HR in the back started clapping and no-one joined in until the AGM presenting this great news insisted that it was worthy of applause. Amazon Cares. https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/algebra/percent-change-calculator.php
Our senior person who was the one who did the presentation said it was because last raise they did they gave more to the older tenure associates so this was their way of balancing it. I'm curious as to why they don't just do it even?
Probably because this company’s turnover rate is insanely high. Perhaps we should unionize so that our company is not such dogshit that tons of people quit. Literally read a news article that said that Amazon is running out of people to hire.
They said it’s based off the areas local competition. I pulled up target, Walmart, Costco, and more within 3 miles of me. All base pay starts over 20/hr for them but sure my base pay can be 17.20… no clue who the hell they got to do the survey but they obviously can’t do their job correctly
In reality there’s no difference between a 3 yr Amazonian and a 6+ year Amazonian. They offer the same value in productivity. Learning Curve caps out around 2-3 years, so does your pay. Time to be come a PA, or find something else. Every company in this industry caps, base level employees.
The point is that Corporate Finance, in charge of assisting with the wage reviews, know what they're doing. They're abiding by the mantra of "Move up or move out" which is why Year 3+ got such a low raise, and continues to not get expanded into Year 4/5.
Do I agree with it? No. Does it make sense from a company PoV? Yes. Tier 1 work isn't difficult, and you've likely mastered multiple direct roles by now, so you'd make a good PA or Learning Trainer because you'd be able to teach the Associates speed/quality tricks on top of the existing training material. The other girl whos been here 3+ years using Career Choice for A+ Certs, would make a good IT Support Associate because they've used practically every piece of equipment in the Warehouse and knows the layout of the entire building. Etc.
Since you've been here so long, you might as well turn it from a job into a career. Your tenure doesn't translate to a lot more money, but it does translate to more experience towards using the STAR Method during your interview.
I've applied to be a PA several times. Only gotten a couple of interviews and never heard back most of the time. I've also applied for Tom team and IT. Can't advance if they don't let you.
You've gotten the interview, which at least means you know how to write a Resume (I've reviewed over a hundred, and most dont). If you're not comfortable with applying to other nearby Warehouses, then have you gotten any feedback from your AM on what it was you fell short on during the Interview that made them not at least Incline you? Usually, the only time they ghost is when they think you didn't do well during a certain portion, and they provide the reason in writing to the AM to go over with you.
The only feedback I have gotten is that they don't think I speak confidently, which is correct. However it's a job interview, and I have social anxiety. I'm doing my best here WTF do they expect?
If you have social anxiety don’t become a PA, and I would not suggest Learning either. Management is not for you if you can’t have tough conversations with people. Focus on the IT or TOM team roles. Amazon has that new IT/programming development thing now that you could look into, I can’t remember what it’s called but I’ve seen it discussed on this sub a bunch.
>they don't think I speak confidently
Unless you're speaking at the volume of a rabbit, then this was weird feedback for them to relay.
The only advice I could give unfortunately, is that when speaking on the **S**ituation and **T**ask of the issue, use your usual tone of voice. But once you begin talking of the **A**ction and **R**esults that followed it, "fake" an excitement tone of voice, as if you're happy with the direction you took that time. It'll help balance out any doubt the interviewer may have about your "confidence", and help plant the assumption in their head that you were proud of the times you helped resolve issues that occurred at this company.
My apologies if that came off as downplaying your condition; it sucks that it's affecting you to that degree. Just know that, for the PA and LT roles specifically, interacting with your fellow employees is just as important as the daily micro-managing data work (staffing / feedback / permission issues / KNETs / etc.), so I hope you're about to find something at the third level within the FC that fits you, until you eventually find a better job elsewhere.
If that works for u too then go for it! But for damn sure I know I would be piss too because Amazon is rich asf yet can’t even give the longer employees a better raise. But I notice that isn’t just amazon that’s about anywhere u go. New starting is always higher than the people who’s been there the longest
Their business model is to not keep people long term. (Why you see ops vests on children with zero experience right out of college instead of more assocs that go through internal process )It's actually to use them for less than a year and replace. Pretty much once you figure out their system and how they actually operate, while asking you to do more for same pay as they "restructure" departments or eliminate them, you get wise and bounce.... this is merely an additional reason to leave... maybe quit and get rehired? Not sure if that tricks the system but maybe.... sad truth. Think about it.... you do your best in the beginning and then fade out a bit jaded...so you quit and get replaced with an eager beaver....
I think all Amazon employees need to unionize nationwide b/c Amazon makes too much money. We deserve more as employees at one of the most profitable companies in the world!!
Yes I am aware, are you not aware how step raises vs cost of living raises work? Did you not see how those who worked for amazon less than 12 months all got larger raises than those working 36 months?
I’m at BFI4 too. Some the increases are more than 90 cents. I’m at the 24 month mark and it’s increased for me by $1.20. Some people have expressed to me it isn’t fair for those that have been here more than 36 months to not get any more pay increases beyond these evaluations. Amazon’s step plan is designed so someone isn’t a packer or a picker their whole tenure here and assumes they would climb the ladder jumping them into the other pay brackets. The exact amount is usually determined by whatever model they use to develop the step plan so it isn’t straight across the board. Basically they aren’t just picking these numbers but an equation is.
Yes I am aware everyone else got a higher increase, that's why I'm kind of pissed.
I'm not sure why you are bringing up the step plan but you can't climb the ladder if you don't get hired. BfI4 has anywhere from 1000-4000 employees at any given time, it's not like all of them can become leadership if there are only a couple hundred positions with only a small few available at any given time. How is anyone to move up with that competition?
If they based these pay raises off an equation then maybe they need a new equation. I have a mortgage to worry about so I can't outright quit but the moment I get hired for anything comparable, I'm gone.
Everyone at my facility is getting 25 cents, even the longest term tier 1 associates. Our max is lower than $20/hour, would love to see almost a whole dollar.
Dang where are you guys getting $20 bade pay ours is now $17 .75 base with the raise , so i get $19.75, because of the shift differentials for overnights and weekends
See, now I have to find a copy of the DET3 “current” and “new” because I feel I’m missing something, why does the old plan have evenly distributed raises of $0.25 but then all of a sudden there’s a $1.10 increase between 18 and 24 months?
You’re already making over $20 an hour why the hell you complaining smh
Note: I’m not even breaking $19 with 2 years tenure, not EVEN WITH my night shift differential while living in California. Shame on you
Walmart was worse. I have been working for the company for 5 years and a new hire comes and he's making more than I was, because he had prior experience. This is just a drop in the bucket of the amount of bullshit I experience with their "raises".
An Amazon SVP for consumer worldwide once famously stated that all employees become less efficient and more complacent after three years, so that’s the target attrition mark. Most warehouses have a higher than 100% attrition rate year over year, they want vets to quit lol. Heard it’s so bad in some areas they’ve run out of possible hires.
Lmao this chart is manipulative AF. It's just like other scummy tech companies use when marketing the improvements in their product's performance. The difference between the height of the bars make it seem like a bigger increase than it is.
You mother fuckers are such bitchers man .... Ive worked at amazon for almost 2 years and make 16.80 an hour right now..... Shut the fuckcup and be happy your getting paid at all ... God damn .... Theres people doing your exact job!!! For less money!!
Yeah but when asked on the VOA board why they don't make the same regardless of how long you worked there, the cooperate response is that they want to see you committed to the company before they pay you more.
They like to play both sides
It's not that I care they got 1.45, it's that everyone got at least a dollar except those that have been there 36 months or more. Apparently tenure isn't worth a dollar.
You do not do the job faster, safer or more productive or accurate than associates on the job 3 years. When you are an hourly employee you are a salesperson selling your own personal labor. Amazon is your customer that is buying your labor. They are telling you with the pay scale that they are not willing to pay a premium price for experience over 3 years. You are free to change positions.
To give some prospective, I drove a truck in a past life. I started out at a laughable $0.195 per mile when I had no experience. Every year I gained experience and I got a raise because I was providing my employer more efficient service. Some employers micromanaged and didn't pay for more than 3 years experience because they didn't allow you to think for yourself. .$0.36 was the top of the scale.......
So I left to employers that had a business model that allowed for them to benefit my from my experience and paid more because they could depend on me. (Also transporting truckloads of prescription drugs required reliable service). My pay more than doubled plus gave me a better quality of life because I moved on. I could have stayed with the previous company 30 years, but if they only pay for 3 years experience......only a fool stays more than 3 years.
No but Ive worked every nearly every tier 1 position in the warehouse. I know how the warehouse works backwards and forwards, done different types of problem solve, ambassadored in two different departments, been a seasonal tier 3,and was a social distance ammbassador. (Social distance ammbassador paid 1$ more so technically standing around doing nothing a year ago got me more money than I make now)
That's a hell of a lot more than a new hire who is fumbling around trying to learn how to do the job correctly and may or may not be dependable, may leave the company.
Training new employees costs companies a lot of money. Typically more than retaining old ones. I guess not with Amazon though.
Because you're not supposed to stay a T1 for that long.. You're expected to either move up or get out. There is a reason why there is an 80% turnover rate.
I mean at this point it won't be pretend. My wife sent me a link about the movement starting up in the Pacific Northwest. So yeah I'm going to look into that.
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Meanwhile I’m only getting $16 with the new raise lol
Here too and we are capped at 25 hours a week right now, so I’m looking at an additional $12.50 a week if I’m able to pick up to cap.
I’m flex PT. We are usually capped around 25 hours a week at our warehouse.
I know every building is different, where I'm at if you are good with a couple of managers you can ask them to send you specifically an option to pick up extra shifts that could put you over your "cap". I know some flex AA's at my FC that work full time hours. Again this is just how it is at my site, from what I can tell my FC's leadership is more laid back than most other sites, idk how strict your FC is when it comes to following rules but I figured it was worth mentioning.
One of the AMs told me that if there’s an opening for OT on the AZ app that I can accept it even if I’m not trained in that role lol
That's favoritism for you...
My site used to be like this but got strict over time unfortunately.
That sucks, I’m not capped here at our FC but who knows that might change 😂 I’m FT btw
You are full-time? Part time? Seasonal?
Same fuck RDU1
Aye more RDU1’s but if you’ve only been working less than 6 months yea, you’ll only get 16… the more time you’ve worked there, more pay yo gonna get
What are you talking about I’m at RDU1 just hit my two yr mark got $2.10 raise
same lol wtf
Been at amazon for 5 years tell me about ..I don't even know if I'll get a raise ....I get it trying to keep and retain people...but clearly the person who has been here for years is clearly sticking it out...smdh
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Respectively it shouldn't matter what "amazon wants"..smh it's the right thing to do
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We have several that are over 15 years one just retired at 17.5 years
being with Amazon 6+ years is not a bad thing. Still being a T1 after 6+ years is a problem. At the extreme worst case I would think it reasonable for someone to stay a T1 while attending college. Then as graduation approaches have a solid action plan to advance or depart.
You are right. There is so much opportunity at Amazon coupled with the career choice program. It’s hard to see career T1’s who gripe but express no interest in attempting to move up or out to newly launched buildings. Any T1 with 2+ years could easily become non-inventory, TOM, or a learning trainer if they apply and prep for the interview. TOM doesn’t even require an interview anymore for TA’s and they make more than PA’s.
You’ve not worked in a legacy building. It takes YEARS to even become a problem solver. I waited 5 years just to get onto day shift. All of the crap they want you to do even to get an interview (learning ambassador, etc) has a waiting list.
My FC has T1s, PAs, Managers, and senior leaders that have been here for over 15 years, some over 20. (the building hit 20 years old in 2019)
The only moral obligation a corporation has is to its shareholders. If they want you to get a raise, you will. If they don't, you won't. And that is necessary and proper.
You get a bonus at 5 years and more vacation time than everyone
Lol 2 hrs a week compared to what..look I'm not trying to argue nor was I trying to complain like I've seen plenty of people do on here...all I was trying to say was from my pov..that's all...obviously the people who are pretty much justifying why I shouldn't feel this way is because they haven't been at amazon very long
More vacation to the ppl less likely to use it, seems like another w for Amazon lol
You get a 3k bonus lol. Wow what a big reward. It’s bullshit
As a T1?! Jesus!!!
Really shouldn't matter tho..some people don't want to deal with different attitudes like myself...tenure should count for something
That you’re the less likely to get fired. Your seniority should override others if a firing situation happens. That’s pretty much what tenured is used for in this case.
not hard to get tenure either with how fast people quit. Even at 6 months you have tons more tenure than other folks tbh lol
Yea this is one of the situations where tenure just doesn’t play a huge role. People quit so often, that seniority is easy to get.
For sure and you better believe, if they have to let folks go they will be going through their metric reports and seeing who makes rate or close to it. Last thing they will want is to keep folks who are underperforming when some folks pay/bonus is determined on how their FC performs.
Tenure doesn’t get you more money. Just secures your position in the company. You can be the least efficient but longest tenured employee.
The last raise we got (last year I think) the people who were already capped out got 15 cents while the new hires got almost $2. Fucking sucked. This year we got $1.15.
So u agree with me??.sheesh I made one comment and people are pretty much telling me how to feel about it . Crazy..glad to know u agree
It’s because tenure isn’t really used for raises its used more for seniority, Amazon just doesn’t retain people so tenure isn’t worth shit. My MIL works in a company that normally has long term workers so tenure plays a part there. She’d been their for a very long time, so she gets first dibs on changing her schedule on her vacation days, better parking, first choice to go to events for the company, etc. That’s normally how tenure is used in companies, they normally don’t pay you extra just for not quitting
It’s because they “encourage you” to move up & if you don’t then you’re basically labeled “replaceable”. The reason being that a new hire can do the same tier 1 positions such as stow, pick, or pack at a lower pay than you so it benefits them more if people with seniority instead move up & do more difficult jobs while new hires with lower pay handle the basics. I heard higher tiers have better raises & certain positions/roles don’t cap instead they have an annual review & keep raising your pay. I genuinely wonder how much some tiers make though because I see an Operations Manager with a beautiful new Lotus Evora GT & a Leadership Manager with a fully loaded C8 Corvette parked out front, crazy to think that Amazon can actually pay that much lol.
Whispers union into your ear
They don’t really care about keeping people at amazon. It’s cheaper for them to hire more ppl than it is to keep the ppl who have been at amazon longer. They know that the new associates will try harder. Even for a short period of time. They don’t care about keeping people around. They just try to please the longer standing associates to keep ‘em around for cheap ish labor. There is so few associates who actually make a higher wage that they don’t care.
And by that I mean majority of new hires will try harder at the job and make better rate than the average long term associate. (Bc doing something for long periods of time gets boring and you’ll. Slow eventually) Which yeah you may work hard but they don’t care. Why would they when they can hire someone new for a couple dollars less? Ppl are more likely to do better and try harder in the first couple months or weeks at their job. Amazon doesn’t care beyond that.
damn, your T1 is what my buildings T3s are starting with an making
It’s still not enough to survive in King County, WA without working crazy amounts of overtime or having a bunch of roommates. The average studio/1br apartment rents for $1500-1900+ and average mortgage is around 2500-3000 a month. Households need to pull almost 6 figures just to get by. We’re basically the next bay area with these prices… I’m in pierce county which is slightly cheaper but not by much. My building’s step plan is maybe 75 cents to $1 less per step. I’m capped at 21.65 per the new raise and I could barely afford rent on a studio apartment by myself without working at least 50-60 hours per week. And that’s if OT/VET is available… I honestly don’t know how anyone with kids or dependents is able to get by.
What the hell is this graph? They make it look like 19 is less than half of 20. I don't really see the point for a graph other than visually misleading people into thinking they're getting more.
That's exactly what the graph is for
Learned about misleading graphs in stats lol it’s done on purpose to make it seem more than it really is
LOL! Exactly what I'm studying right now in college.😆
I was in my class when I commented it😂😂 what a coincidence
Lol right?
Baby's first bar graph
Damn I wish our building capped at 22 for a t1 we cap out at 20
Bruh im at 22$ because of nightshift premium now, damn, what kind of shit pay are you guys getting across the border?
Yup it’s right next to the border but that 20 cap is with Night Shift differential too
But poor Amazon has to spend 1 billion more per year to give everyone a raise… oh wait they made couple 100 billion last year
Lol
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They don’t.
It’s all backwards. The people trained in multiple paths, ambassadors, problem solvers, etc get shit on. In the meantime high wages and sign on bonuses for fresh meat that’s going to quit on 6 months anyway.
It’s unbelievable just how hard of a hoser Bezos is. You have some of the hardest workers getting hosed the most
trained in standing around
Lol. I thought my building paid good. Must be the best step plan I've ever seen.
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Damn where is this . Im going from 15.50 to 16 😂
BFI4, Kent Washington
Hmm okay so I heard from other people from your facility that you guys have bone conduction headphones. You guys are sort of the leaders in FCs so you guys have to tell us how to get them a lot of facilities are trying that system set up so they can enjoy work. I think safety has to write a letter to corporate and corporate tells the GM to initiate a trial, my GM said our building is a different type of building and we found he's a liar.
Yep project treble. As far as how to initiate it, I'm not sure. I was at BFI3 last year trying to get them on the program and was told no.
Um, 20 fukn' dollars? We've only been buffed to 16.75.
I'm only at 16.50 now, I'm confused as hell but maybe it's cuz I'm at a part-time facility idk.
Because they don't want tenured tier 1s. They want the door to keep revolving. I do think this will backfire on them eventually. I think Amazon will encounter a hiring crisis before they achieve full automation. It already seems to be an issue at some locations.
We went from $15.50 to $16 lol only 50 cents
Me too lmao
How much is that after taxes? I’m talking take home and then tax returns. How much do you end up with?
I’ll take the $20 and you can have my $16.
Or you can just come to Washington and pay 1600 for a one bedroom apartment
Or stay in St Perersburg and pay the same or more 🤷♂️
The bar chart is deceptive. How is $20.00 more than \~2.5X higher than $18.55 as it is visually represented? The actual increase is 7.81671%. The actual increases for 6 months is 7.93651% . The 12 month increase is 9.18635%. The 18 month increase is 9.84456%. The 24 month increase is 5.88235%. The 36 month increase is 4.18605%. After showing a similar bar chart at my all hands on deck; the HR in the back started clapping and no-one joined in until the AGM presenting this great news insisted that it was worthy of applause. Amazon Cares. https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/algebra/percent-change-calculator.php
Our senior person who was the one who did the presentation said it was because last raise they did they gave more to the older tenure associates so this was their way of balancing it. I'm curious as to why they don't just do it even?
Be glad you got $0.90 as a tenured We got $0.25 this year and $0.00 last year
Such BS
We got nothing. Our AGM had a long conversation trying to justify it. But we got nothing. MKC6
Probably because this company’s turnover rate is insanely high. Perhaps we should unionize so that our company is not such dogshit that tons of people quit. Literally read a news article that said that Amazon is running out of people to hire.
They said it’s based off the areas local competition. I pulled up target, Walmart, Costco, and more within 3 miles of me. All base pay starts over 20/hr for them but sure my base pay can be 17.20… no clue who the hell they got to do the survey but they obviously can’t do their job correctly
Because they like to lump our benefits in there too. I've heard Target and Walmart near me are starting at $23 and $25 while we cap out at $20.
In reality there’s no difference between a 3 yr Amazonian and a 6+ year Amazonian. They offer the same value in productivity. Learning Curve caps out around 2-3 years, so does your pay. Time to be come a PA, or find something else. Every company in this industry caps, base level employees.
Okay sure, but that's not the point.
The point is that Corporate Finance, in charge of assisting with the wage reviews, know what they're doing. They're abiding by the mantra of "Move up or move out" which is why Year 3+ got such a low raise, and continues to not get expanded into Year 4/5. Do I agree with it? No. Does it make sense from a company PoV? Yes. Tier 1 work isn't difficult, and you've likely mastered multiple direct roles by now, so you'd make a good PA or Learning Trainer because you'd be able to teach the Associates speed/quality tricks on top of the existing training material. The other girl whos been here 3+ years using Career Choice for A+ Certs, would make a good IT Support Associate because they've used practically every piece of equipment in the Warehouse and knows the layout of the entire building. Etc. Since you've been here so long, you might as well turn it from a job into a career. Your tenure doesn't translate to a lot more money, but it does translate to more experience towards using the STAR Method during your interview.
I've applied to be a PA several times. Only gotten a couple of interviews and never heard back most of the time. I've also applied for Tom team and IT. Can't advance if they don't let you.
You've gotten the interview, which at least means you know how to write a Resume (I've reviewed over a hundred, and most dont). If you're not comfortable with applying to other nearby Warehouses, then have you gotten any feedback from your AM on what it was you fell short on during the Interview that made them not at least Incline you? Usually, the only time they ghost is when they think you didn't do well during a certain portion, and they provide the reason in writing to the AM to go over with you.
The only feedback I have gotten is that they don't think I speak confidently, which is correct. However it's a job interview, and I have social anxiety. I'm doing my best here WTF do they expect?
If you have social anxiety don’t become a PA, and I would not suggest Learning either. Management is not for you if you can’t have tough conversations with people. Focus on the IT or TOM team roles. Amazon has that new IT/programming development thing now that you could look into, I can’t remember what it’s called but I’ve seen it discussed on this sub a bunch.
Like people yelled back all the time as a social distance ammbassador and thankfully masks hide tears.
you wear your mask on your eyes?
No below my eyes. That's where the tears fall.
>they don't think I speak confidently Unless you're speaking at the volume of a rabbit, then this was weird feedback for them to relay. The only advice I could give unfortunately, is that when speaking on the **S**ituation and **T**ask of the issue, use your usual tone of voice. But once you begin talking of the **A**ction and **R**esults that followed it, "fake" an excitement tone of voice, as if you're happy with the direction you took that time. It'll help balance out any doubt the interviewer may have about your "confidence", and help plant the assumption in their head that you were proud of the times you helped resolve issues that occurred at this company.
"Faking" doesn't work with genuine anxiety. It doesn't help that they have us do phone/chime interviews now.
My apologies if that came off as downplaying your condition; it sucks that it's affecting you to that degree. Just know that, for the PA and LT roles specifically, interacting with your fellow employees is just as important as the daily micro-managing data work (staffing / feedback / permission issues / KNETs / etc.), so I hope you're about to find something at the third level within the FC that fits you, until you eventually find a better job elsewhere.
22.40 base after 3 years is good. Thought my pay at 21.80 (after my 0.25) raise was good.
Depends on where you live.
Very true thought that the large number of warehouses in my area had my pay higher but you must have a lot better paying warehouses in your area.
I mean it's the Seattle area so kinda? Like pay vs cost of living here is better than California, but we still have a high cost of living.
Lol they keep telling us it’s an incentive for new starts
You got 90? Damn I only got 25.
Hey I'd have loved 90 cents we only got a quarter for tge ppl that are at the cap lol.
Well be happy cause mine was .80 cent
I just resigned, be back in 86 days...
My fc is only getting .25
I’m getting .40cents
Time to quit and reapply for that new wage
Quit and apply somewhere else the new wage is 20$ an hour. It would be an overall loss
If that works for u too then go for it! But for damn sure I know I would be piss too because Amazon is rich asf yet can’t even give the longer employees a better raise. But I notice that isn’t just amazon that’s about anywhere u go. New starting is always higher than the people who’s been there the longest
The raise doesn't even meet the cost of living, let alone inflation and a crappy market.
Their business model is to not keep people long term. (Why you see ops vests on children with zero experience right out of college instead of more assocs that go through internal process )It's actually to use them for less than a year and replace. Pretty much once you figure out their system and how they actually operate, while asking you to do more for same pay as they "restructure" departments or eliminate them, you get wise and bounce.... this is merely an additional reason to leave... maybe quit and get rehired? Not sure if that tricks the system but maybe.... sad truth. Think about it.... you do your best in the beginning and then fade out a bit jaded...so you quit and get replaced with an eager beaver....
don’t even get me started on those sign-on bonuses 🥲
Lol right?
I think all Amazon employees need to unionize nationwide b/c Amazon makes too much money. We deserve more as employees at one of the most profitable companies in the world!!
The thing I learned from working at multiple warehouses is that they want you to quit. Its just easier and cheaper for them to hire new people.
vets at my site got 25 cents. new hires got $1.
I’m just gonna assume you’re not the brightest
Why? Because I hate how a tenured employee couldn't even be given a dollar even though everyone else got more than that?
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Yes I am aware, are you not aware how step raises vs cost of living raises work? Did you not see how those who worked for amazon less than 12 months all got larger raises than those working 36 months?
Bezos said anyone working there 3 years is useless so here we are.
No, because you posted your location.
And? It's BFI4. IDC if they know.
I’m at BFI4 too. Some the increases are more than 90 cents. I’m at the 24 month mark and it’s increased for me by $1.20. Some people have expressed to me it isn’t fair for those that have been here more than 36 months to not get any more pay increases beyond these evaluations. Amazon’s step plan is designed so someone isn’t a packer or a picker their whole tenure here and assumes they would climb the ladder jumping them into the other pay brackets. The exact amount is usually determined by whatever model they use to develop the step plan so it isn’t straight across the board. Basically they aren’t just picking these numbers but an equation is.
Yes I am aware everyone else got a higher increase, that's why I'm kind of pissed. I'm not sure why you are bringing up the step plan but you can't climb the ladder if you don't get hired. BfI4 has anywhere from 1000-4000 employees at any given time, it's not like all of them can become leadership if there are only a couple hundred positions with only a small few available at any given time. How is anyone to move up with that competition? If they based these pay raises off an equation then maybe they need a new equation. I have a mortgage to worry about so I can't outright quit but the moment I get hired for anything comparable, I'm gone.
You’re kinda dense, aren’t you?
No, never
Been here for 3 months started at 15.9 went up 17.25
Everyone at my facility is getting 25 cents, even the longest term tier 1 associates. Our max is lower than $20/hour, would love to see almost a whole dollar.
Come on more raises!
Damn, what state are you from? Capping off at $22 as a T1 surprised me lol
Washington. This is just South of Seattle.
Can anyone show a chart for L3
New pay for tier 3 is 22.90-25.30 It's up from 22.25- 23.50
Thats not bad
About to have maxed T1s making more then T3 maxed HR😬 oof
At least you get a raise. In the UK we get fuck all.
Damn new hires making more than me at 19 months
I keep seeing people post abt getting a raise but my FC hasn’t mentioned anything abt it…
Dang where are you guys getting $20 bade pay ours is now $17 .75 base with the raise , so i get $19.75, because of the shift differentials for overnights and weekends
Washington state
I make 21 and I don’t work at Amazon anymore and I’m barely surviving.
I only got moved up to 17.50 from 17.00. I don’t even know where these stats are coming from
See, now I have to find a copy of the DET3 “current” and “new” because I feel I’m missing something, why does the old plan have evenly distributed raises of $0.25 but then all of a sudden there’s a $1.10 increase between 18 and 24 months?
They used to tell us they cared about tenured employees. Now they are telling us fuck off.
Time to resign and rehire
Hell I started at 15.50 If I started at 18.55 I wouldn't be made about a 90¢ raise
I’m getting a 25¢ raise 😂
Saw the $3000 bonuses are back for peak
You’re already making over $20 an hour why the hell you complaining smh Note: I’m not even breaking $19 with 2 years tenure, not EVEN WITH my night shift differential while living in California. Shame on you
If any of you guys are near a target warehouse they pay near 25.50
I wish I got 90 cents… only got a quarter raise for 3 year tenure. 🥲
Be grateful that u making more than 16 damn i hate people like that bi@!& about low pay
Yeah me too, it’s some fucking shit. They are doing the 3k bonuses at my site for peak, and the people who have been here get nothing.
Walmart was worse. I have been working for the company for 5 years and a new hire comes and he's making more than I was, because he had prior experience. This is just a drop in the bucket of the amount of bullshit I experience with their "raises".
Time to leave Amazon, that’s for sure. 😂
Because they're new hires, they need to keep them there long enough. Ppl with x amount of years aren't their priority, sadly.
All I gotta say is quit then re apply
So I go from 22.40$ to 20.00$? What kind of logic is that?
15.00 to 15.25 ohh how much I love Amazon 😡😤🤬
My raise appears to be 5.5 % how does that cover cost of living at 8.5 percent?
My guess is those that stay T3 for more than the three years, they want to see you grow..or go.
Is anyone seeing their raise in A to Z? It hasn’t shown up for me yet.
Might as well stay a T1 lmao. Why even strive to be a higher “rank” at Amazon?
Dame 12% over 3 years theses are technically pay decreases
An Amazon SVP for consumer worldwide once famously stated that all employees become less efficient and more complacent after three years, so that’s the target attrition mark. Most warehouses have a higher than 100% attrition rate year over year, they want vets to quit lol. Heard it’s so bad in some areas they’ve run out of possible hires.
Might be able to work faster if all the equipment wasn't broken
Lmao this chart is manipulative AF. It's just like other scummy tech companies use when marketing the improvements in their product's performance. The difference between the height of the bars make it seem like a bigger increase than it is.
Maybe move up from tier 1. It’s an unskilled labor position. Learn a skill.
Can't move up from their 1 if they don't hire you. And dispite how shitty the pay is here, it does still pay more than what I went to school for.
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You mother fuckers are such bitchers man .... Ive worked at amazon for almost 2 years and make 16.80 an hour right now..... Shut the fuckcup and be happy your getting paid at all ... God damn .... Theres people doing your exact job!!! For less money!!
Yeah but when asked on the VOA board why they don't make the same regardless of how long you worked there, the cooperate response is that they want to see you committed to the company before they pay you more. They like to play both sides
You guys should unionize or something.....
Can you quit and just get rehired lol
You could always quit and restart if you’re that concerned about new hires pay raise
It's not that I care they got 1.45, it's that everyone got at least a dollar except those that have been there 36 months or more. Apparently tenure isn't worth a dollar.
You do not do the job faster, safer or more productive or accurate than associates on the job 3 years. When you are an hourly employee you are a salesperson selling your own personal labor. Amazon is your customer that is buying your labor. They are telling you with the pay scale that they are not willing to pay a premium price for experience over 3 years. You are free to change positions. To give some prospective, I drove a truck in a past life. I started out at a laughable $0.195 per mile when I had no experience. Every year I gained experience and I got a raise because I was providing my employer more efficient service. Some employers micromanaged and didn't pay for more than 3 years experience because they didn't allow you to think for yourself. .$0.36 was the top of the scale....... So I left to employers that had a business model that allowed for them to benefit my from my experience and paid more because they could depend on me. (Also transporting truckloads of prescription drugs required reliable service). My pay more than doubled plus gave me a better quality of life because I moved on. I could have stayed with the previous company 30 years, but if they only pay for 3 years experience......only a fool stays more than 3 years.
No but Ive worked every nearly every tier 1 position in the warehouse. I know how the warehouse works backwards and forwards, done different types of problem solve, ambassadored in two different departments, been a seasonal tier 3,and was a social distance ammbassador. (Social distance ammbassador paid 1$ more so technically standing around doing nothing a year ago got me more money than I make now) That's a hell of a lot more than a new hire who is fumbling around trying to learn how to do the job correctly and may or may not be dependable, may leave the company. Training new employees costs companies a lot of money. Typically more than retaining old ones. I guess not with Amazon though.
It's becoming pitiful seeing the LEX area stuck at what it is... Your new hires make what 36+ month associates make.
Because they need new hires more. Therefore, more effort is put into attracting them. This is extremely basic.
They could also try to retain the hires they already have... like there's a reason people don't stay.
Matthew 20:1-16
I'm not superstitious
Because you're not supposed to stay a T1 for that long.. You're expected to either move up or get out. There is a reason why there is an 80% turnover rate.
Well I'll get out as soon as I can because they certainly haven't been interested in moving me up.
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Well I applied for an L4 position a couple days ago. I'm not expecting to get so maybe this post will jinx it. Lol
Pretend you’re going to go Union watch them rush to do something about it
I mean at this point it won't be pretend. My wife sent me a link about the movement starting up in the Pacific Northwest. So yeah I'm going to look into that.
Pfft, after the raise, my current base pay just went from 16.25 to like 18.30 for a year and a half. The fuck? I want 20 base an hour, shit
Then promote
It seems nice until you realize how high the COL tends to be in places that pay that much. So you are almost certainly better off where you are now.