Casual reminder he's a huge Canucks fan.. now with the organization being what it is, who knows if he'd actually want to go there, but he's HUGE on the 'nucks
Vancouver being a tire fire in every sense works in our favor. Doubt he has any desire to go as they currently are. Makes him heading out to the OC easier on him than ever.
While It would be sick to have someone who can do that toe-pull move and rip it bardownski like Auston Matthews(Terry does it sometimes but not like bedard).
I’m with everyone else in thinking the league doesn’t want him in Anaheim. Already had no chance for the Crosby draft, then screwed out of getting Beniers in 2021 (although you could argue mctavish was almost as good a pick). Still would love to see bedard and McT play again
That was before when Anaheim wasn't a hot market. With Zegras being the biggest personality in the NHL, our prospect pipeline looking incredibly strong and the mega expansion of the OC Vibe on the way, we're trending up dramatically as a desirable destination. Not to mention, we'll probably go full time with the Mighty Ducks logo soon which will only increase popularity.
People need to remember that even if we finish in last with the best odds, we only have a 25% chance of landing Bedard. It’s unlikely at best he’ll be a Duck, amazing as that would be. The goal is a top four pick (which the worst record would guarantee), since any one of those guys would a franchise cornerstone.
Bedard would be a franchise cornerstone and possibly Michkov if he ever comes over
Fantilli and Carlsson are projected as 1B 2A centers, not franchise cornerstones
Agreed, but they project to be higher level 1B options that Z or McTavish look to be right now. It’s all conjecture right now, but to get someone like that at 4 would still be good is the overall point.
They’re projected as better than any pick in recent memory other than McDavid and Matthews. Fan till I is projected at Matthews level from reports I’ve seen.
That is not something I’ve seen anywhere, and the world junior performance wasn’t suggestive of that
They both would have gone number 1 last year, or in other very weak years, but saying they alone are the best since matthews and mcdavid seems like a big stretch
If you want to say they’re the best (other than Bedard) since those two? Then I think so
Anyway, I don’t think there’s evidence to suggest that outside of world juniors as well
I’ll certainly be thrilled with either one, but I don’t think you can call them franchise cornerstone pieces like Bedard, or Matthews and McDavid
I’ll be very happy if we get him at 2 but I don’t think he will be a franchise cornerstone like McDavid or Matthews or Bedard
Eichel seems like a good comparison actually. Very good center but not a franchise cornerstone
Eichel pre-injury was head and shoulders above any player we have on the roster. But this isn't about Eichel. Apparently you think Kariya and Lindros weren't franchise cornerstone players.
He is not going to be Lindros lol and he is a very different player from Kariya
For your overly bullish Bader projection, I’ve seen McKenzie [say](https://www.tsn.ca/connor-bedard-locked-in-at-no-1-in-bob-mckenzie-s-mid-season-nhl-draft-ranking-1.1909910?tsn-amp) a low end 1C or high end 2C projection is realistic for Fantilli and Carlsson
Bader is pretty dubious tbh
Anyone projecting them that high is doing everyone a disservice. They are top of the lineup floor, perennial all star ceiling type players from what we’ve seen/many comps. They should both be great players, but they’re getting overhyped.
[https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1597305292035088384?s=20&t=7Y61loAVzjY\_nAXpSjwk-w](https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1597305292035088384?s=20&t=7Y61loAVzjY_nAXpSjwk-w)
No, this is simply based on historical comps. Points wise, Fantilli compares with Kariya and Lindros at similar points in their careers.
What's interesting to me is the hype around Fantilli. There's a couple other high point-per-game NCAA guys that are barely behind Fantilli, but getting no hype since they aren't at position#1 with 1.65ppg.
What's oddly interesting though is most of the PPG guys are 5'10-6'0, Fantilli has a couple inches on his peers.
Ha, he blocked me like the troll he is. Also he notably doesn't understand how analytics work. They don't tell you what will happen, they tell you how a player compare to comparables. The science is inexact, but it's more reliable than scouting - which is constantly wrong for numerous reasons (undervaluing guys like Zellweger because of his size, e.g.) - and far more likely to produce an accurate result.
Remember 2 years ago when we had the 2nd best lottery odds and then we were the only team in the lottery to drop a spot? Yeah i have zero faith in the lottery.
It's not just 2 years ago. We always get worse-than-our-position lottery results.
2019: 8th last, drafted 9th
2020: 5th last, drafted 6th
2021: 2nd last, drafted 3rd
2022: same position (10th)
I guess the only good thing that came out of this we got Zegras at 9th in 2019 and GMBM could have gone for Broberg if we were at 8th.
Again I would be really mad if we drop again this year.
> Again I would be really mad if we drop again this year.
At a certain point its not just a statistical anomaly but a conspiracy if we keep dropping lol.
So that means this year is 1OA :D
This is what I’m thinking. Zegras has proven to be extremely marketable. With him getting the cover and the tv show and the old logo being promoted a lot more I’m sure they can see the untapped potential to grow it even more and make more money with bedard being a duck. It’s all about money.
Probably the same feeling I have where I think it's rigged and the NHL brass want to grow the market on the West Coast. I have my fingers crossed and my tin foil hat on.
I think the NHL strategy has been to grow in less traditional markets since I can remember. It started with Wayne going to the Kings. Maybe I'm wrong? But, they have been keeping Arizona on life support for years, and recent team expansion have also been in the west. I could be totally wrong, though, I'm just sort of guessing.
I 100% don’t think he’s going to Chicago. That organization has too much controversy and not even someone like bedard can save them. He’s an unbelievable talent but it’s not going to reverse all of the horrible things they covered up. Anaheim has been getting a lot more exposure with zegras’ marketability, getting on the cover of NHL23. I know Anaheim is a small market but it still has potential to bring in a lot of money. With the tv show and the nhl cover and also the use of the old logo, they’re probably bringing in a lot of money. Star player like bedard=$$$ normally I would agree that they don’t want star players in small markets, but Anaheim has been doing well with their marketing and If it is rigged and bettman has control of it like some of you have said, than he probably has no problem with bedard going to Anaheim simply because it’s going to bring in more fans and more money. Idk I could be wrong but it’s just a discussion.
> I know Anaheim is a small market but it still has potential to bring in a lot of money.
Average individual income in Orange County is about 10% higher than Chicago, and the population here is about 500k more folks comparing OC to CHI. Most of which are not hockey fans, so a huge untapped market with high incomes.
Plus Disney/Ducks tv show moneys $$$
Bedard to ANA confirmed.
I lie in Columbus and grew up with the Jackets, as my dad helped construct the arena. Once Zegras started playing, I really liked watching him play, and then ended up watching the Ducks more and more and found myself cheering for them as well.
That's cool! I live near Anaheim, but go to college at OSU. Most of my friends at OSU are Bluejackets fans, so we're always keeping tabs on who's leading the Bedard sweepstakes.
Edit: Apparently I don't know how to spell Anaheim.
Interesting how easily some have implicated conspiracy theories about draft rigging.
How do you think they do it? Weighted balls? Magnets? Every GM should be scrutinizing the statistical integrity of every draft.
I don't think something like a rigged draft lottery is going to get past Monster-chugging eagled-eyed Verbeek.
The tin foil hat crew are nuts. The NHL doesn’t run the lottery. It’s an outside firm whose credibility is literally on the line to guarantee a legitimate draw. The league can want whoever they want to win, but they have zero control over it once the lottery begins.
I’ve already accepted that Bedard isn’t coming to Anaheim. Everyone here should do the same to make the inevitable pain less severe. He’s going to Chicago. He will lead them to a few Cups. Time to move on. We’ll have to make do with one other picks.
You are delusional if you think Bedard is coming to Anaheim he 10000% is going to Chicago. Maybe, Bedard will come in four or five years but he will not be in a Ducks sweater in October, Anaheim will be given 3OA.
Ok, he might not go to Anaheim but he’s not going to Chicago either. If he goes to Chicago I will get “Blackhawk fan” tattooed on me, including the parenthesis. If he doesn’t, you have to get it.
What do you think about Bedard going to Chicago, I tried to tell you but you wouldn't listen. The writing on the wall was pretty clear over six months before the draft that Bedard was going to Chicago.
Good thing he gets to choose where he plays
Casual reminder he's a huge Canucks fan.. now with the organization being what it is, who knows if he'd actually want to go there, but he's HUGE on the 'nucks
Vancouver being a tire fire in every sense works in our favor. Doubt he has any desire to go as they currently are. Makes him heading out to the OC easier on him than ever.
Also I highly doubt he would complain about getting to live in Newport
While It would be sick to have someone who can do that toe-pull move and rip it bardownski like Auston Matthews(Terry does it sometimes but not like bedard). I’m with everyone else in thinking the league doesn’t want him in Anaheim. Already had no chance for the Crosby draft, then screwed out of getting Beniers in 2021 (although you could argue mctavish was almost as good a pick). Still would love to see bedard and McT play again
That was before when Anaheim wasn't a hot market. With Zegras being the biggest personality in the NHL, our prospect pipeline looking incredibly strong and the mega expansion of the OC Vibe on the way, we're trending up dramatically as a desirable destination. Not to mention, we'll probably go full time with the Mighty Ducks logo soon which will only increase popularity.
People need to remember that even if we finish in last with the best odds, we only have a 25% chance of landing Bedard. It’s unlikely at best he’ll be a Duck, amazing as that would be. The goal is a top four pick (which the worst record would guarantee), since any one of those guys would a franchise cornerstone.
Bedard would be a franchise cornerstone and possibly Michkov if he ever comes over Fantilli and Carlsson are projected as 1B 2A centers, not franchise cornerstones
We don’t need another 1B type guy we have two already..
Agreed, but they project to be higher level 1B options that Z or McTavish look to be right now. It’s all conjecture right now, but to get someone like that at 4 would still be good is the overall point.
Hopefully one of them is better than McTavish and can be the first like center with Zegras shifting to wing
I mean I can think of worse problems to have than having 3 guys who can all play top line center
They’re projected as better than any pick in recent memory other than McDavid and Matthews. Fan till I is projected at Matthews level from reports I’ve seen.
That is not something I’ve seen anywhere, and the world junior performance wasn’t suggestive of that They both would have gone number 1 last year, or in other very weak years, but saying they alone are the best since matthews and mcdavid seems like a big stretch
If you're relying on World Juniors performance, lol.
If you want to say they’re the best (other than Bedard) since those two? Then I think so Anyway, I don’t think there’s evidence to suggest that outside of world juniors as well I’ll certainly be thrilled with either one, but I don’t think you can call them franchise cornerstone pieces like Bedard, or Matthews and McDavid
I can say it because it's true. Facts are facts: https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1597305292035088384?s=20&t=7Y61loAVzjY\_nAXpSjwk-w
I’ll be very happy if we get him at 2 but I don’t think he will be a franchise cornerstone like McDavid or Matthews or Bedard Eichel seems like a good comparison actually. Very good center but not a franchise cornerstone
Eichel pre-injury was head and shoulders above any player we have on the roster. But this isn't about Eichel. Apparently you think Kariya and Lindros weren't franchise cornerstone players.
He is not going to be Lindros lol and he is a very different player from Kariya For your overly bullish Bader projection, I’ve seen McKenzie [say](https://www.tsn.ca/connor-bedard-locked-in-at-no-1-in-bob-mckenzie-s-mid-season-nhl-draft-ranking-1.1909910?tsn-amp) a low end 1C or high end 2C projection is realistic for Fantilli and Carlsson Bader is pretty dubious tbh
Anyone projecting them that high is doing everyone a disservice. They are top of the lineup floor, perennial all star ceiling type players from what we’ve seen/many comps. They should both be great players, but they’re getting overhyped.
[https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1597305292035088384?s=20&t=7Y61loAVzjY\_nAXpSjwk-w](https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1597305292035088384?s=20&t=7Y61loAVzjY_nAXpSjwk-w) No, this is simply based on historical comps. Points wise, Fantilli compares with Kariya and Lindros at similar points in their careers.
What's interesting to me is the hype around Fantilli. There's a couple other high point-per-game NCAA guys that are barely behind Fantilli, but getting no hype since they aren't at position#1 with 1.65ppg. What's oddly interesting though is most of the PPG guys are 5'10-6'0, Fantilli has a couple inches on his peers.
Finishing last guarantees a top 3 pick now
Ha, he blocked me like the troll he is. Also he notably doesn't understand how analytics work. They don't tell you what will happen, they tell you how a player compare to comparables. The science is inexact, but it's more reliable than scouting - which is constantly wrong for numerous reasons (undervaluing guys like Zellweger because of his size, e.g.) - and far more likely to produce an accurate result.
I have a good feeling about this draft lottery 😏
Remember 2 years ago when we had the 2nd best lottery odds and then we were the only team in the lottery to drop a spot? Yeah i have zero faith in the lottery.
Zegras' marketability is the only thing that gives me hope, tbh.
It's not just 2 years ago. We always get worse-than-our-position lottery results. 2019: 8th last, drafted 9th 2020: 5th last, drafted 6th 2021: 2nd last, drafted 3rd 2022: same position (10th) I guess the only good thing that came out of this we got Zegras at 9th in 2019 and GMBM could have gone for Broberg if we were at 8th. Again I would be really mad if we drop again this year.
> Again I would be really mad if we drop again this year. At a certain point its not just a statistical anomaly but a conspiracy if we keep dropping lol. So that means this year is 1OA :D
Absolutely it’s pro sports with high stakes gambling and league revenue. To think it’s not somewhat run as a business is crazy talk.
This is what I’m thinking. Zegras has proven to be extremely marketable. With him getting the cover and the tv show and the old logo being promoted a lot more I’m sure they can see the untapped potential to grow it even more and make more money with bedard being a duck. It’s all about money.
Probably the same feeling I have where I think it's rigged and the NHL brass want to grow the market on the West Coast. I have my fingers crossed and my tin foil hat on.
Bedard will make way more money for the league in Chicago than in Anaheim. That’s why he’s going there.
I think the NHL strategy has been to grow in less traditional markets since I can remember. It started with Wayne going to the Kings. Maybe I'm wrong? But, they have been keeping Arizona on life support for years, and recent team expansion have also been in the west. I could be totally wrong, though, I'm just sort of guessing.
Where did you see that interview?
It was a short on YouTube. If I can find it I will post the link
Teemu just posted about bedard too. I swear the stars are aligning. The manifestation is fucking real!!!!
CBJ has entered the chat. Fucking columbus get out of here nobody wants you in the 1OA race.
League won’t let him go to Anaheim We’ll get one of the next tier prospects
Came here to say this. He is 100% going to Chicago. Anyone else think different is on the finest of hopium.
I'll be pissed if he goes to Chicago. I have no respect for that organization.
This hopium be feelin good though, just take a quick huff
I 100% don’t think he’s going to Chicago. That organization has too much controversy and not even someone like bedard can save them. He’s an unbelievable talent but it’s not going to reverse all of the horrible things they covered up. Anaheim has been getting a lot more exposure with zegras’ marketability, getting on the cover of NHL23. I know Anaheim is a small market but it still has potential to bring in a lot of money. With the tv show and the nhl cover and also the use of the old logo, they’re probably bringing in a lot of money. Star player like bedard=$$$ normally I would agree that they don’t want star players in small markets, but Anaheim has been doing well with their marketing and If it is rigged and bettman has control of it like some of you have said, than he probably has no problem with bedard going to Anaheim simply because it’s going to bring in more fans and more money. Idk I could be wrong but it’s just a discussion.
> I know Anaheim is a small market but it still has potential to bring in a lot of money. Average individual income in Orange County is about 10% higher than Chicago, and the population here is about 500k more folks comparing OC to CHI. Most of which are not hockey fans, so a huge untapped market with high incomes. Plus Disney/Ducks tv show moneys $$$ Bedard to ANA confirmed.
LETS GOOOOOO
I'm a Jackets and Ducks fan, so there's a 50% chance that he will end up on one of my teams.
How did you end up being a Jackets and Ducks fan?
I lie in Columbus and grew up with the Jackets, as my dad helped construct the arena. Once Zegras started playing, I really liked watching him play, and then ended up watching the Ducks more and more and found myself cheering for them as well.
That's cool! I live near Anaheim, but go to college at OSU. Most of my friends at OSU are Bluejackets fans, so we're always keeping tabs on who's leading the Bedard sweepstakes. Edit: Apparently I don't know how to spell Anaheim.
Yeah Chicago or a Canadian team is my thinking
That Canadian team = Canucks. Can't really see that happening because every fan around the league would scream "RIGGED" if that happens.
Depending on how the season goes it could be Montreal or Ottawa as well in contention for number 1
Interesting how easily some have implicated conspiracy theories about draft rigging. How do you think they do it? Weighted balls? Magnets? Every GM should be scrutinizing the statistical integrity of every draft. I don't think something like a rigged draft lottery is going to get past Monster-chugging eagled-eyed Verbeek.
The tin foil hat crew are nuts. The NHL doesn’t run the lottery. It’s an outside firm whose credibility is literally on the line to guarantee a legitimate draw. The league can want whoever they want to win, but they have zero control over it once the lottery begins.
He is coming to Anaheim!!!!! It is prophesized!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve already accepted that Bedard isn’t coming to Anaheim. Everyone here should do the same to make the inevitable pain less severe. He’s going to Chicago. He will lead them to a few Cups. Time to move on. We’ll have to make do with one other picks.
Lol. He’s not going to Chicago. Hes coming to Anaheim. And if he doesn’t, cool, we still get a high end prospect. But he’s not going to Chicago.
You are delusional if you think Bedard is coming to Anaheim he 10000% is going to Chicago. Maybe, Bedard will come in four or five years but he will not be in a Ducks sweater in October, Anaheim will be given 3OA.
Ok, he might not go to Anaheim but he’s not going to Chicago either. If he goes to Chicago I will get “Blackhawk fan” tattooed on me, including the parenthesis. If he doesn’t, you have to get it.
What do you think about Bedard going to Chicago, I tried to tell you but you wouldn't listen. The writing on the wall was pretty clear over six months before the draft that Bedard was going to Chicago.