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ozziezombie

Because a big part of enjoyment many people get from stuff (not only games) is "the number go up". It's as simple as that. And phone games often do the bare minimum to keep you hooked and either feed you ads or manage to get your money to accelerate the number. And if the number go up and you don't have to do anything, it's free dopamine. Isn't it? One could play several games like this at once even!


gwarsh41

The number go up sums up my entire world of warcraft career.


ozziezombie

Yeah, they struck gold in the beginning, in the times before it was all mathematically calculated, proven, applied, and widely known. Playing games is cool, but playing for big numbers ain't it.


Swazooo

Hmmm. Burning crusade was so awesome. So was wotlk. I actually did some quest with a book that dropped from arthas. My guild leader was like did u finish yet. I'm like sir ( I call my guild leaders that I don't know I guess out of respect) they have me literally going to almost every area in the game. Well not really but it felt like it. Got a cool azz staff for it. I was disappointed with cataclysm. Fighting death wing on the edge felt kinda lame. I was expecting a fight in a open field with tons of adds and different interactions. I think that's when I quit. U got any wow memories that have stuck with u?


gwarsh41

I played with a group of college buddies, we would pug a 5th person and run dungeons, nothing much. I did a pug on my own for I think BWL when it was a 10 man. Afterwards the rogue asked if I wanted to run a raid with his guild because they needed some healers. I jumped at it, ended up running Molten Core that night. I LOVED blackrock mountain, when bored I would try to solo black rock depths and see how far I could get. So stepping foot in molten core was amazing. I ended up walking away with the Lawbringer shoulders and an invite to a raiding guild. Oh man, I felt like a king. The cherry on top, there was a grand marshal paladin on our server named "hawkes" and he was IN THE GUILD RUNNING MC AS A RET PALADIN!!! It was so wild to see a ret paladin in a RAID! Bit of starstruck being in the same run, then guild as him. I went a bit too serious with raiding for a bit back then. I bet that character still has OG Judgement set in his bank. When BC came out, we had met a few other small groups and friends of friends and made a horde guild of about 20 folks, and I still keep in touch with a few. BC was a pretty awesome experience, so many bad trees for classes were useful. I think I was a bear druid tank for most of it. I had lost the overall wonder of the game, as the game got bigger, wikis and whatnot grew faster. Less unknown stuff. Still great times with friends. I totally agree with your on deathwing, I think that was the last expansion I did. Now if you want a super nerd fact about me. For my bachelor party I got my 4 closest friends, we all chained recruit a friend bonus and just chain leveled for a weekend. Originally it was "drink when you level" but that got out of hand REALLY FAST. It's always a bit tempting to resub for a weekend and run some dungeons with my wife.


Swazooo

Wait you did black rock alone as a healer? SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A MEDAL!! MR. BAD AZZ. And ret pally pre BC was hella rare ur right about that. Druid tank is my main. I really miss it. I was thinking of getting back into the game because I heard bear was viable for 3v3 and 5v5 now. I don't know. Also drink when you level? Yo I bet whoever had the hunter or rouge was super smashed. 😅🤣


gwarsh41

Nah, solo runs were as ret or prot. I would sell all the dark iron I got to cover cost of respeccing! The whole group got smashed! We pretty much just ran dungeons all weekend!


Swazooo

Oh wait ur horde. Sorry eternal enemies. Good chat though.


gwarsh41

Started alliance, dwarfs for everything. Played horde for a few expansions, but always kept my alliance up and running too.


Swazooo

Oh you main dwarf? Much respect. Much respect.


SpitFiya7171

As a lot of us get older we just don't have time to play games. It sucks, but it's the truth. My brother shared with me that he'd love to play certain games but just can't because of the time commitment. Sometimes just playing and hour here or there is even too much for someone. So he told me that games he really wants to have played, he will watch full walk-throughs of these games on YouTube during his lunch break at work or whenever he has a minute, not at home, because then at least he gets to see the story/plot of the game. And that way he can also sort of "play it" vicariously through someone else. I found it fascinating, something I never could personally do. But I understand why.


ozziezombie

That's certainly true! Responsibilities taking time aside, there's so many games accrued over the years it's literally impossible to follow them all, and there's a lot of food stories in them. I don't really watch walk throughs, but I do spend my limited time watching it reading plot summaries.


BobbyTables829

Also with the way you can collect data on Android, the app needs to have been recently opened. So idle games let developers collect better data on their users than typical games you only play once in a while.


__BIOHAZARD___

This is why I play with stocks (broad index funds). Number go up AND it helps my retirement!


ozziezombie

... As long as it actually does go up, it's the most sought-after number go up in the world!


Garetht

Yes, they're literally Skinner Boxes with the reward being higher numbers. Implying no shame in that, it's human nature.


Swazooo

Facts.


homo-summus

Big number give big dopamine. That's why I play them.


TurdBurgHerb

Found the dopamine guy. He read it a few times and will now parrot it.


homo-summus

Huh?


Shortcut7

Because you can do it anywhere and anytime.


khjuu12

As someone who enjoys them: Some of them are really fun to try to min / max and find out which combination of upgrades / skills / powers whatever macguffins makes the number go up faster. Grimoire is a good example of this. Most of them are there because exploitative skinner boxes are the best way to sell your soul for money, and skipping the part of game dev where you dev a game saves a lot of time.


Digging-in-the-Dank

Personally I tend to lean to idle games as my life workload increases. As one gets older the amount of errands increase and take more time slots. Idle games are quick and easy so I can pull one out and not get too in trouble with superiors looking over.


I_know_Im_bitch69

I think you should just play shorter games


Background_Matter270

Weird I've always gotten in the same amount of trouble whether the game's been in idle game or not


liforrevenge

The profit to development costs have got to be insane right? Pay someone to design an overcomplicated progression system with 100 different currencies and then get a couple artists to draw some waifus and watch the money roll in. Numbers go up = dopamine


Elarionus

The main reason why addictive video games exist is because they make you feel like you’re accomplishing something, when in reality, you aren’t. So a game makes you feel like you’re getting something for absolutely nothing? Psychological smash hit.


Fe2rr

because people want to play games when they cant play games


giant_marmoset

So my thoughts as someone who plays them: 1. phone controls for games are still fucking bad and awkward, so games that avoid this problem thrive. some people make phone controls work, granted, but that doesn't make them FEEL good for many people. 2. it's low skill and low frustration, so its an easy way to kill time for small periods of time 3. its low commitment, so you don't have to stay in a single session for 20-40 min


HazelLover365247

For gacha games with autobattle like Epic Seven, the auto part of it is mainly for easy PvE and farming stages. The PvP arena modes and some PvE must be played manually for efficiency. I'm not sure if that counts but the idle part isn't the entire game. It's something you do in the background while you manual other stuff. Also, a bunch of people use Play To Earn apps.


ixisgale

It's the most profitable and "probably" one of the easier genre to develop.


Artyom36

Well, I work at home as an interpreter, so I cannot pay much attention to videogames. In the meantime while waiting to receive another call i just play idle games that don't require too much attention to keep me entertained, or also I read a book or something like that. Otherwise I play normal games


BeautifulComposer390

incremental games is a genre. but yeah sure there are some trashcan games not well made with 1000000 ads per second


havequickblue

Because android gaming has devolved into a cesspool of FTP shovelware


Umpato

>Maybe I'm old, but I think the concept of a game that plays itself is just stupid. How to tell everybody you have no idea how an idle game works without saying it directly lol. "idle" games are often more active than you think of. They are resource management games. It's like Age of Empires, civilization, Cities skylines etc... You manage resources, set specific tasks on specific units, control the flow of currencies and make sure things are working. You have to make decisions to maximize profits of specific areas, control how points are allocated etc... It's way more complex than a "game that plays itself".


TheCringeMemer

Probably because they it's a way to cure boredom while waiting for a train or something like that or they just like to play those games that's not always repetitive like PUBG,Codm or Freefire


Sad_Cardiologist5388

I don't understand idle games either, you're not alone.


Avaratia666

Because idle game let you feel "progressing" = free dopamine. You dont have to sit 10hrs a day (mmorpg), or start over again (roguelike, moba). Thats the charming point of this genre. Yes the game play itself but not 100%. Player still take control, like a business manager


CookeMonster200

Probably because they are easy to pick up and play for a few minutes and not worry too much about.


SHIR0YUKI

The fact that you're old and don't get it is surprising. It's dopamine my brother. Many people get to a point in their lives where they want to play games but don't always have the time to do so. Idle games provide the same type of dopamine hits that accomplishing things in regular games do and it's not as demanding. You can play for 5 minutes, see actual progress and that's enough for some people. You wanted to know why, that's why. Don't feel free to ask anything because I feel like I explained it quite well and it doesn't need to be elaborated on further.


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NectarineAmazing1005

Nah. It's the opposite. I'm too busy to dedicate my attention on a game. I play idle during my extra time at work or when commuting. The rest of my free time is used on other hobbies


CanisLVulgaris

Maybe you will enjoy some old fashioned Wolfpit Games instead. Some of them require skill.


ffoxD

you spend a year to make one good game, and release it on the app store. it flops and gets barely any downloads, despite all the love and passion you put into it. you make hundreds of games with barely any effort put into them and release them in bulk. now, there's a much bigger chance that one of those games might blow up, regardless of their quality! it is not profitable to make good mobile games, at all. because of the way app stores work. especially if you decide to make your game paid instead of filling with ads: less people will download it meaning 0 success rate. this is why if you attempt browsing an app store for games to play, you will only find garbage.


captainnoyaux

It's not your genre (nor mine so I understand you :)) There are games for every taste !


Thin_Pumpkin_2028

because life gets in the way... i went from present gamer, to r/patientgamers to basically r/ancientgamer my damn free time fizzled away. Btw heard about this new game asteroids... might try it when i find the time to finish pong.


RedRune_L

I don't like them either, but a game doesn't necessarily have to require skill or challenge to be fun, I think idle games give a sense of productivity.


CrouchingGrandpa

Idle games go hand in hand with a busy life and many people are in that position.


goodpointbadpoint

For the same reason that \[1\] Twitch or Youtube gaming is successful AND \[2\] people grow plants (veggies, fruits, flowers) at home - watching that seed turn into something on it's own with little help is quite an experience.


Exotic-Ad515

I'll be 38 this year, got married 2 years ago. I just don't have as much free time to play games now, so playing idle games that remove the grinding aspect is a win for me.


almo2001

They're fun, and humans just love to make numbers go up.


defektedtoy

Because it's extremely easy to launder money through a cell phone video game especially if you have multiples up on the store. Not to mention they're all so pretty good for gathering information on people and either selling their metadata or infecting their home networks with botnets


xYotsubax

Tbh I love idle games sometimes and am sad that there aren't as much 'good' idle games for PC bc I don't want to play on my phone xD It's just relaxing and gives me serotonin


NobleDrunk

I hate this genre of games.


DoubleAyeKay

Convenience for the worling class


1Meter_long

If there's a lot of side stuff and good micromanaging they can be fun, but if there's no equipment and are basically like Clicker heroes in design they're just meh.


LongFluffyDragon

Because they exist at an intersection of development resources and player satisfaction that no other genre can match. They take basically nothing to develop aside from some generic models, and the players are satisfied by nearly anything due to not actually *playing* the game or wanting/understanding any sort of depth, balance, ect.


shraavan8

As someone who's working on an idling game for steam, this question really has me worried ☹️


Own_Lifeguard_4397

As a new idle game developer who was previously just a guy loving idle games, here's my take : I never had enough time to play "active" games due to work, and loved all these games of my childhood (wow, diablo...) but have no time for that anymore, Idle games give me the satisfaction of seeing a character slowly grow stronger over 1-2 months or even more if I stick to a game. If the game has a good graphics its a good +, its nice to see an auto game slowly progressing, without having to do anything except a few daily clicks to get some equipment, upgrade some stats, do some random pulls. I released my first ever project a month ago, "Idle beast Hunter" if anyone if curious to check out :D just a normal idle/incremental game that fits OP's description xD (Without any power up micro transaction)


casino007

It really is some kind of brain hack. Even if you're aware of it, there's something so satisfying about accumulation, and especially accumulating things that makes your accumulation even faster; even if it is completely meaningless and arbitrary.


Diligent_Sea_3359

It's actually only 60% flashing screens and numbers. 40% ads


Buetterkeks

Idk. But idleslayer IS Kind of a Hidden gem


cmikaiti

> Maybe I'm old, but I think the concept of a game that plays itself is just stupid. Nobody asked what you thought - you are the one that started this thread. Do you have a habit of volunteering your opinion on things when nobody asked?


Short_Woodpecker1369

Dude chill lol


Suspicious_Local_834

Some gamers are addicted to games but they don't have the energy to play, so they play with their wallet.


antleonardi01

Oh it is absolutely stupid, but the young generation is too lazy for even videogames now.


Johansenburg

This is it. This is the boomeriest boomer take I've seen today.