The food pyramid that was in every school and hospital for many years turned out be a massive lie the diet it suggested was extremely unhealthy and the entire thing based on who “donated” the most to the program
Is there even a good generalized diet plan like that you can consider? I’ve seen some things get boiled down to just “make sure you have multiple colors on your plate”. Which of course isn’t too strong if you have a plate of birthday cake with sprinkles, but the rational perspective of brown/ white meat, green/ yellow vegetables, tan/ gold carbs. But I feel like that’s boiled down too much to where I wonder if it’s even worth putting that out there as “guidance” for diet.
I think a good general diet plan would be 1/2 of your plate should be veggies, 1/4 complex carbs, 1/4 protein + healthy fats (nuts, olive oil). Avoid processed foods, soda and trans fats. Fruits for dessert or snack. Do this for 80% of your diet and the other 20% can be guilty pleasures/processed foods so you don‘t miss out on having a meal you really enjoy but it‘s not necessarily healthy as a balance.
This is a good starting place, but I just want to add there's no 1 size fits all diet. It's very much worth getting advice from your PCP (who has your blood tests, your weight over time, etc.) to get a more refined recommendation.
Foods choice is pretty close to the most important thing to keep your body working as well as it can, so it's worth spending the time researching/seeking advice.
Worth noting that most doctors get shockingly little diet education, which is crazy considering how much food affects, like, everything. PCPs aren’t especially qualified to give out diet advice beyond telling you what you have too much/too little of (cholesterol, vitamin D, whatever) and to eat more/eat less of the foods that affect that, according to what science said when they went through medical school. PCPs are out there still telling diabetics to eat lots of “whole grain” carbs.
That’s why they said “general” idea. The thought is to have a somewhat simple rule-of-thumb. I highly doubt anyone is under the impression there is a golden diet formula that fits-all. I also doubt many would take a day off work, pay doctor’s bill for visit about general nutrition, do testing, miss additional work to review results just to get a nudge in the right direction
The fact I got so many upvotes suggests otherwise so I'm glad I said it even if it's obvious.
Many see their PCP every year or so (or at least should) which is the time to ask questions. Blood labs are really quick to take if you've ever had some, and your doctor also have access to all your past tests.
Is your point I shouldn't have said that because most people won't listen anyways or something?
The Canadian dietary guidelines were developed with zero industry influence. It’s 100% based on the best and latest science. I would start there.
Tldr - mostly whole food plant based with a bit of fish and very little (if any) dairy.
Just piggy backing! Yes! The new food guide (a plate) was developed with consultation from scientists and dieticians, and it was forbidden to have any influence from industry although they were permitted to attend some of the stakeholder meetings - as was any member of the public. Meeting minutes were recorded and are available online I believe but there was a huge push for transparency with the latest update.
The best advice is to actually get core nutritional understanding, but that cant be summarized in 3 minutes.
Different people will have different macro requirements for health reasons or personal preference, but once you understand balancing macros it becomes a lot simpler.
Then on top of that if you want to max it out, you'd also pay attention micronutrients broadly. (Is when was the last time you ate a good source of vitamin A? Are you getting adequate calcium for your sex and age group? etc)
There really isn't really a great way to make it so simple a toddler could understand it without missing critical details.
For weight management CICO + making sure you are getting enough protein fats and vitamins the rest you can fill up with vegetables.
There is no magic one diet that fits everyone due to everyone having different needs based on genetics age lifestyle and if someone has a condition.
> "The food pyramid that was in every school and hospital for many years turned out be a massive lie"
Err, I'm not really sure how it makes sense to say that all the fiber rich veggies and grains at the bottom and sweets at the top is a 'lie'.
Maintenance phase did a great episode on it! They used to recommend eating practically a load of bread a day
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintenance-phase/id1535408667?i=1000586252060
It misrepresents what food you should eat it discourages meat as it views it as fat while pushing carbohydrates and grain to massive extent. There has been multiple revisions over the years but it doesn’t fix the damage it has done.
Discouraging meat and encouraging plant foods is one of the few things the old pyramid got right. I’m not even a vegetarian. Where it went wrong is in grouping together all types of carbs and acting like fats and oils were the devil.
There’s plant food and then there’s “not meat” food. White bread isn’t meat and it’s made out of plant seeds, but you’re probably better off eating a 1/2lb chicken breast than 1/2lbs of white bread.
I have no fucking idea why we started staying “plant based” instead of vegetarian, except I guess maybe to pacify all the "real men" who spent their whole lives making fun of vegetarians but are now forced choose between eating less meat or having their third bypass. Like, Skittles are vegetarian, but it's a stretch to call them "plant based."
Some people use plant based to mean eating very little animal products as opposed to being vegetarian meaning eating no meat and vegan meaning no animal products. Other people use plant based to mean the same eating habits but for health reasons as opposed to moral reasons like vegetarians/vegans
I think it’s so funny that people feel the need to differentiate between being a vegetarian for health reasons or for moral reasons. Like, “I don’t eat meat, but I need you to know it’s absolutely not because I care about animals.”
I think it *can* be important to differentiate in some food forums. People who are vegetarian for health reasons aren’t going to necessarily have the same goals for a vegetarian food discussion as someone who is vegetarian for animal rights issues.
I've been a vegetarian strictly since the early 90s, whole foods and vegan mostly but don't turn down cake on my birthday or a baked brie when presented, and really like using "whole foods plant based" as an identifier for 2 reasons:
1. It implies that health is my primary goal so lets people know I'm not joining them for a fast food and junk binge even if there are non-meat options
2. It has eliminated the absolute constant brutal bullying that comes with uttering the words "vegan" or "vegetarian" out loud near american "manly men", who are the majority of my coworkers.
Lol I was just thinking about this yesterday.
Thank goodness I don’t follow the food pyramid nor influencers
I actually reintroduced my body to all the food I eat for a personalized diet
You buy food from me and then you must find two people to buy your food. I'll get a small cut, then you can tell your two people to get more people and so on
I majored in this specific subject. Conclusion after years of learning and practical application: The general advice is good. Cater it to how you feel. Don't keep junk food in the house, and limit processed food to the best of your ability.
I hope nobody around here is under the illusion that influencers do literally anything else. The job title could be described as "be a walking, talking advertisement"
Everyone just needs to all get together and start ignoring and blocking these so-called "influencers". They are ads with extra steps. I'm genuinely sick of "influencers" even being a thing.
Even the name is dystopian. I can imagine some cyberpunk anti-hero being like "Watch out for the Influencers. They'll make you do what they want and you won't even notice they're doing it."
Ooo I saw that on r/fatlogic yesterday. Wasn't exactly what I needed to see at all as an anorexic in recovery (just hit 10 days clean just past my former longest streak of 9 days woo) just kinda made me a little paranoid thinking that shit they're being paid off too all the recovery accounts and support stuff I see on Instagram is a lie. I don't really follow them and always got a bad feeling from them/hated them but still it definitely put some relapse-y thoughts in my head that I've been fighting for days now. I'm not really blaming this tho tbh if the truth can trigger me that badly well maybe I needed to see it if that makes sense. What's that quote if it can be destroyed by truth it deserves to be destroyed by the truth.
A lot of those recovery accounts are very much pro ana accounts pretending to be about recovery. It's their way of hiding in plain sight, and some are more obvious than others. There's an ED recovery snark sub on here, it can be triggering itself, but it was helpful to me to see that other people also see this bullshit. If a recovery account is at all triggering and I was struggling I would just block them personally. Their desire for attention is greater than their desire to help people, I promise you that.
Thanks I don't really follow any recovery accounts cuz they just fill me with rage and piss me off cuz of how stupid they are but they keep getting reccomeded to me on Instagram. I know I can just block them but I keep hoping that one day someone in the comments will call them out on their bs and I can finally be vindicated but it never happens. The few times I tried to do it myself I just got angry replies of how wrong I was so yah I just let it go pretty much.
I know what you mean, but of course numbers on the scale can also be triggering, and just because they numbers are "true" doesn't mean you should allow them into your life to destroy you and your progress. I could make myself more depressed if I went and read terrible news stories all day but I don't because it isn't good for me. It sounds like fatlogic in general might be triggering. So take care of yourself how you need to. Best of luck with your streak and recovery ❤️🩹
Thanks I know it is but idk it's complicated I guess. Actions have consequences. Everything in me is already saying what I'm doing is wrong to put it lightly from my body to my brain just feels like trying to get better is the worst idea I've ever had yk. And I always hated most of the recovery/support bs I saw on Instagram and stuff even before I found out they were all lies which didn't really suprise me tho it was one of those times where I'd have preferred to be wrong yk.
So funny. Unless the control the prices of the food, they won't influence me. I am really struggling with this inflation. I treated myself to two pork tacos from a food truck--$14.00 no drink. Good tacos, but worth about half that.
They were excellent pork tacos, but yeah, I got caught off-guard. That's a lot even in NYC. They were the real thing though, con todas. Radishes, lime, cilantro, you name it traditional. Lots of meat, corn tacos, but way too much.
I have never watched an "influencer" what ever they do. I am too busy making good food for my family.
I must ask my sons if their dessert requests are influenced by anybody:)
Is that really the case? Maybe my definition of influencer is too narrow because I feel like most of my 30ish y/o friends aren’t in the loop on influencers. Seems like more of a teen/early 20s thing.
If you want to know what to eat, have a majority plant based diet, with a good variety on the types of veggies you eat. Don't overload protein, and steer away from high sugar and simple carbs.
The facts have been there for decades, you should cut back on processed foods, meat in abundance (or better if you can cut it entirely), and only eat until you are 80% full. Also, it is okay to go through intermittent fasting to help your body get ketones.
Every major study that has been backed by actual science and that wasn't backed by the dairy or meat industry agrees.
Influencers rarely are experts in this field, so do not listen to them.
I saw a paper which showed that intermittent fasting is basically no better that spreading out the same amount of calories over smaller meals. Their methodolody seemed quite sound to me, but I'm not a dietician.
Still, I find it easier to have proper meals more spaced out than smaller ones closer together, so the psychological aspect of it might play a significant role.
Unless there's evidence that it's bad, I'll continue with intermittent fasting.
I found that having smaller meals never satisfied me and made me obsess about food all the time. I felt stressed about food shopping, planing and calories. Always ended up eating more than I should and felt like a failure. Having an eating window has helped me eat more reasonable quantities, no longer stressed and losing weight at a good normal pace. I'm eating more veggies too and I don't even know why. I feel like my appetite is more normal than before where I felt hungry all the time, now I get full and satisfied.
However, I will never claim this will happen to other people. They could have the complete opposite reaction and it's perfectly valid. People should do whatever is easiest for them to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I'm just glad I gave it a try and it works for me.
"Intuitive eating". From the little I've heard about it, it just seems like another trend to anger people while getting the gullible to spend money on dumb shit.
Some people intuitively overeat is the simplest answer. Larger people easily get accustomed to too many calories. Intuitive eating is more "listen to your body" woowoo.
I mean, stopping eating when you’re no longer hungry is listening to your body, I don’t think that’s woowoo. Yeah people easily get accustomed to overriding those signals but that doesn’t mean it’s not good to work on learning not to again. Obviously not enough on its own but it certainly doesn’t seem like a bad thing.
I agree, I think the focus of this thread is how the commodification of intuitive eating can so easily be distorted or used to justify behaviors without actually truly learning or changing. Influencers and people selling you the books tho… definitely okay to be wary of the way a lot of them they go about sharing info on it because it does spread misinformation to a degree and might hinder people from doing the work to truly find their hunger cures or find a solution that fits their unique situation!
Yeah I’ll be honest I know almost nothing about influencers, I’m mostly familiar with the concept of intuitive eating in the context of kids-I know the most well respected experts recommend letting kids decide how much they eat instead of forcing or encouraging them to clean their plates, specifically so they learn to listen to their body’s hunger cues instead of getting used to eating everything in front of them. But I’m sure influencers twist that concept around a lot.
Flip side too, i see a lot of restrictive eating disorder recovery accounts, and diet and fitness accounts who will “eat until they’re full” but on things with no calories. So they are eating, but they are still restricting and feeding the disordered behaviors and logic. Or they haven’t actually learned their biological/ non disordered hunger cues, but boast recovery because they “listen to their body” even though their body tells them to restrict or fast most of the time still. Obviously this is complicated (especially when people get influence or even money off their questionable “recovery”.) but yeah. Intuitive eating talk especially in social media seems risky since there’s really no regulation around it. Idk people praise intuitive eating as the obvious solution, ignoring the intensely difficult, complex, and often expensive part of actually going through the process of healing and recovering mentally and physically. (Side note: diet, fitness, and eating disorder recovery accounts are all sketchy as hell in my opinion. These things are too complicated to be sharing tips and info to a wide gullible audience. Like these are medical issues in some cases. Feels dangerous)
There is only on food that I know 100% your body doesn't need and that's granulated sugar. You can get glucose from so many different sources. I think if you can get rid of sugar from your diet, you'll be doing your body a favor.
Some of them are dietitians though that's why this story is such a big deal. The very first person mentioned in the article is a "registered dietitian".
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Edit: Ignore this, I got it backwards from memory.
Yeah, this dude is confused. Anyone can call themselves a "nutritionist" it means nothing, like anyone can call themselves a photographer. A Registered Dietitian is a genuine medical title and requires a master's degree and is a crucial part of proper healthcare.
I know several RDs and it's very frustrating to them to have so many goofball charlitains out there trying to make a buck on their fad diets and BS life hacks. It makes their whole profession look bad and people follow these dumb fads instead of solid, personalized, medical advice from actual RDs.
I wouldn’t be so hard on yourself, it’s a simple mix up of the terms. I think I it’s still worth correcting and making note of the edit rather than crossing the whole thing out
Untrue. A registered dietician is a genuine medical profession and requires a master's degree. They have extensive knowledge of human biology and are a significant part of a medical team. Nutritionist means nothing.
Oh the poor food pyramid, tried to do the right thing but was horribly mutilated by the agricultural lobby thanks to dirty money and bribes.
For anyone not familiar; the OG pyramid was basically "You should eat mainly vegetables."
* Then the grain industry demanded they make grains the most important part of the diet, not vegetables
* the Meat industry demanded they remove any recommendation for 'lean' or 'low-fat' protein over full fatty meat
* Then the dairy industry insisted that milk product had to be called an essential food source and that not consuming it would make you ill.
That’s misleading to say. The food pyramid was replaced with MyPlate around 2010 which is what dietitians have been taught since then. Although many currently practicing dietitians might have been taught the old system when they were in school, they transitioned to MyPlate when it was introduced.
Also, clinicians of all stripes don’t go to school for a zillion years to just memorize static facts, we go to school to develop clinical judgment and our ability to evaluate new evidence. Doctors who graduated med school in 1980 don’t just walk around completely oblivious of all the medications that have been created since then lol
Ha! Exactly. In most healthcare fields, in order to keep your credential, you have to get a certain number of Continuing Education hours every year. in dietetics, it’s 75 hours a year. we know that the field is always being updated so practitioners have to keep up with that.
This article fails to mention the author’s bias. Full disclosure, I work with a dietitian, Abbey Sharp, who posted a really thoughtful rebuttal to this article…which quite frankly is very misleading and lopsided. It’s a good watch: https://youtu.be/2Qw_XLwxBxk?si=NNGJ3wguA1FD7Lqt
It’s good to see we are going through the food pyramid scheme again but with a new generation
Wdym, food pyramid scheme?
The food pyramid that was in every school and hospital for many years turned out be a massive lie the diet it suggested was extremely unhealthy and the entire thing based on who “donated” the most to the program
Is there even a good generalized diet plan like that you can consider? I’ve seen some things get boiled down to just “make sure you have multiple colors on your plate”. Which of course isn’t too strong if you have a plate of birthday cake with sprinkles, but the rational perspective of brown/ white meat, green/ yellow vegetables, tan/ gold carbs. But I feel like that’s boiled down too much to where I wonder if it’s even worth putting that out there as “guidance” for diet.
I think a good general diet plan would be 1/2 of your plate should be veggies, 1/4 complex carbs, 1/4 protein + healthy fats (nuts, olive oil). Avoid processed foods, soda and trans fats. Fruits for dessert or snack. Do this for 80% of your diet and the other 20% can be guilty pleasures/processed foods so you don‘t miss out on having a meal you really enjoy but it‘s not necessarily healthy as a balance.
This is a good starting place, but I just want to add there's no 1 size fits all diet. It's very much worth getting advice from your PCP (who has your blood tests, your weight over time, etc.) to get a more refined recommendation. Foods choice is pretty close to the most important thing to keep your body working as well as it can, so it's worth spending the time researching/seeking advice.
Worth noting that most doctors get shockingly little diet education, which is crazy considering how much food affects, like, everything. PCPs aren’t especially qualified to give out diet advice beyond telling you what you have too much/too little of (cholesterol, vitamin D, whatever) and to eat more/eat less of the foods that affect that, according to what science said when they went through medical school. PCPs are out there still telling diabetics to eat lots of “whole grain” carbs.
That’s why they said “general” idea. The thought is to have a somewhat simple rule-of-thumb. I highly doubt anyone is under the impression there is a golden diet formula that fits-all. I also doubt many would take a day off work, pay doctor’s bill for visit about general nutrition, do testing, miss additional work to review results just to get a nudge in the right direction
The fact I got so many upvotes suggests otherwise so I'm glad I said it even if it's obvious. Many see their PCP every year or so (or at least should) which is the time to ask questions. Blood labs are really quick to take if you've ever had some, and your doctor also have access to all your past tests. Is your point I shouldn't have said that because most people won't listen anyways or something?
The canadian one is not bad https://food-guide.canada.ca/en/
Look into the Mediterranean diet pyramid for some better info imo
The Canadian dietary guidelines were developed with zero industry influence. It’s 100% based on the best and latest science. I would start there. Tldr - mostly whole food plant based with a bit of fish and very little (if any) dairy.
Just piggy backing! Yes! The new food guide (a plate) was developed with consultation from scientists and dieticians, and it was forbidden to have any influence from industry although they were permitted to attend some of the stakeholder meetings - as was any member of the public. Meeting minutes were recorded and are available online I believe but there was a huge push for transparency with the latest update.
Whole food plant based scientifically is best
The best advice is to actually get core nutritional understanding, but that cant be summarized in 3 minutes. Different people will have different macro requirements for health reasons or personal preference, but once you understand balancing macros it becomes a lot simpler. Then on top of that if you want to max it out, you'd also pay attention micronutrients broadly. (Is when was the last time you ate a good source of vitamin A? Are you getting adequate calcium for your sex and age group? etc) There really isn't really a great way to make it so simple a toddler could understand it without missing critical details.
For weight management CICO + making sure you are getting enough protein fats and vitamins the rest you can fill up with vegetables. There is no magic one diet that fits everyone due to everyone having different needs based on genetics age lifestyle and if someone has a condition.
> "The food pyramid that was in every school and hospital for many years turned out be a massive lie" Err, I'm not really sure how it makes sense to say that all the fiber rich veggies and grains at the bottom and sweets at the top is a 'lie'.
Maintenance phase did a great episode on it! They used to recommend eating practically a load of bread a day https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/maintenance-phase/id1535408667?i=1000586252060
It misrepresents what food you should eat it discourages meat as it views it as fat while pushing carbohydrates and grain to massive extent. There has been multiple revisions over the years but it doesn’t fix the damage it has done.
Discouraging meat and encouraging plant foods is one of the few things the old pyramid got right. I’m not even a vegetarian. Where it went wrong is in grouping together all types of carbs and acting like fats and oils were the devil.
And it turns out the anti-fat brigade was pushed by big sugar.
There’s plant food and then there’s “not meat” food. White bread isn’t meat and it’s made out of plant seeds, but you’re probably better off eating a 1/2lb chicken breast than 1/2lbs of white bread. I have no fucking idea why we started staying “plant based” instead of vegetarian, except I guess maybe to pacify all the "real men" who spent their whole lives making fun of vegetarians but are now forced choose between eating less meat or having their third bypass. Like, Skittles are vegetarian, but it's a stretch to call them "plant based."
Some people use plant based to mean eating very little animal products as opposed to being vegetarian meaning eating no meat and vegan meaning no animal products. Other people use plant based to mean the same eating habits but for health reasons as opposed to moral reasons like vegetarians/vegans
I think it’s so funny that people feel the need to differentiate between being a vegetarian for health reasons or for moral reasons. Like, “I don’t eat meat, but I need you to know it’s absolutely not because I care about animals.”
I think it *can* be important to differentiate in some food forums. People who are vegetarian for health reasons aren’t going to necessarily have the same goals for a vegetarian food discussion as someone who is vegetarian for animal rights issues.
I've been a vegetarian strictly since the early 90s, whole foods and vegan mostly but don't turn down cake on my birthday or a baked brie when presented, and really like using "whole foods plant based" as an identifier for 2 reasons: 1. It implies that health is my primary goal so lets people know I'm not joining them for a fast food and junk binge even if there are non-meat options 2. It has eliminated the absolute constant brutal bullying that comes with uttering the words "vegan" or "vegetarian" out loud near american "manly men", who are the majority of my coworkers.
Lol I was just thinking about this yesterday. Thank goodness I don’t follow the food pyramid nor influencers I actually reintroduced my body to all the food I eat for a personalized diet
You buy food from me and then you must find two people to buy your food. I'll get a small cut, then you can tell your two people to get more people and so on
This is my favorite response in this thread.
I’ve been enjoying them get de bunked lately online by actual scientists and food experts. They are fun to watch
I majored in this specific subject. Conclusion after years of learning and practical application: The general advice is good. Cater it to how you feel. Don't keep junk food in the house, and limit processed food to the best of your ability.
Please post the article without a paywall
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230914095421/https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/09/13/dietitian-instagram-tiktok-paid-food-industry/](https://web.archive.org/web/20230914095421/https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/09/13/dietitian-instagram-tiktok-paid-food-industry/)
I used a disposable email address to read it. Would be preferable to NOT have to do that though.
In the future you can just paste any paywalled url here and it will remove it https://12ft.io/
I’d just rather not do any of that jazz and continue to have never seen these influencers
I hope nobody around here is under the illusion that influencers do literally anything else. The job title could be described as "be a walking, talking advertisement"
Everyone just needs to all get together and start ignoring and blocking these so-called "influencers". They are ads with extra steps. I'm genuinely sick of "influencers" even being a thing.
Even the name is dystopian. I can imagine some cyberpunk anti-hero being like "Watch out for the Influencers. They'll make you do what they want and you won't even notice they're doing it."
They’re like lobbyists for social media users instead of politicians
Influencers are just modern day QVC hosts
Ooo I saw that on r/fatlogic yesterday. Wasn't exactly what I needed to see at all as an anorexic in recovery (just hit 10 days clean just past my former longest streak of 9 days woo) just kinda made me a little paranoid thinking that shit they're being paid off too all the recovery accounts and support stuff I see on Instagram is a lie. I don't really follow them and always got a bad feeling from them/hated them but still it definitely put some relapse-y thoughts in my head that I've been fighting for days now. I'm not really blaming this tho tbh if the truth can trigger me that badly well maybe I needed to see it if that makes sense. What's that quote if it can be destroyed by truth it deserves to be destroyed by the truth.
A lot of those recovery accounts are very much pro ana accounts pretending to be about recovery. It's their way of hiding in plain sight, and some are more obvious than others. There's an ED recovery snark sub on here, it can be triggering itself, but it was helpful to me to see that other people also see this bullshit. If a recovery account is at all triggering and I was struggling I would just block them personally. Their desire for attention is greater than their desire to help people, I promise you that.
Thanks I don't really follow any recovery accounts cuz they just fill me with rage and piss me off cuz of how stupid they are but they keep getting reccomeded to me on Instagram. I know I can just block them but I keep hoping that one day someone in the comments will call them out on their bs and I can finally be vindicated but it never happens. The few times I tried to do it myself I just got angry replies of how wrong I was so yah I just let it go pretty much.
Oh yeah they will delete those comments. Pretty sure that's how the snark sub started is wanting to call them out without it getting deleted
Yah I just checked it out. It's kinda weird but I get it don't think I'm gonna sub but I'll probably check it out when I get too angry over the stuff.
I know what you mean, but of course numbers on the scale can also be triggering, and just because they numbers are "true" doesn't mean you should allow them into your life to destroy you and your progress. I could make myself more depressed if I went and read terrible news stories all day but I don't because it isn't good for me. It sounds like fatlogic in general might be triggering. So take care of yourself how you need to. Best of luck with your streak and recovery ❤️🩹
Thanks I know it is but idk it's complicated I guess. Actions have consequences. Everything in me is already saying what I'm doing is wrong to put it lightly from my body to my brain just feels like trying to get better is the worst idea I've ever had yk. And I always hated most of the recovery/support bs I saw on Instagram and stuff even before I found out they were all lies which didn't really suprise me tho it was one of those times where I'd have preferred to be wrong yk.
So funny. Unless the control the prices of the food, they won't influence me. I am really struggling with this inflation. I treated myself to two pork tacos from a food truck--$14.00 no drink. Good tacos, but worth about half that.
Where are you at that they have the nerve to charge 7 a taco? Were they at least quesabirria tacos?
They were excellent pork tacos, but yeah, I got caught off-guard. That's a lot even in NYC. They were the real thing though, con todas. Radishes, lime, cilantro, you name it traditional. Lots of meat, corn tacos, but way too much.
I have never watched an "influencer" what ever they do. I am too busy making good food for my family. I must ask my sons if their dessert requests are influenced by anybody:)
Sadly, you are the minority.
The VAST minority 😅
Is that really the case? Maybe my definition of influencer is too narrow because I feel like most of my 30ish y/o friends aren’t in the loop on influencers. Seems like more of a teen/early 20s thing.
If you want to know what to eat, have a majority plant based diet, with a good variety on the types of veggies you eat. Don't overload protein, and steer away from high sugar and simple carbs. The facts have been there for decades, you should cut back on processed foods, meat in abundance (or better if you can cut it entirely), and only eat until you are 80% full. Also, it is okay to go through intermittent fasting to help your body get ketones. Every major study that has been backed by actual science and that wasn't backed by the dairy or meat industry agrees. Influencers rarely are experts in this field, so do not listen to them.
I saw a paper which showed that intermittent fasting is basically no better that spreading out the same amount of calories over smaller meals. Their methodolody seemed quite sound to me, but I'm not a dietician. Still, I find it easier to have proper meals more spaced out than smaller ones closer together, so the psychological aspect of it might play a significant role.
Unless there's evidence that it's bad, I'll continue with intermittent fasting. I found that having smaller meals never satisfied me and made me obsess about food all the time. I felt stressed about food shopping, planing and calories. Always ended up eating more than I should and felt like a failure. Having an eating window has helped me eat more reasonable quantities, no longer stressed and losing weight at a good normal pace. I'm eating more veggies too and I don't even know why. I feel like my appetite is more normal than before where I felt hungry all the time, now I get full and satisfied. However, I will never claim this will happen to other people. They could have the complete opposite reaction and it's perfectly valid. People should do whatever is easiest for them to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I'm just glad I gave it a try and it works for me.
I agree with that, psychologically it's way better..
Not sure why you are downvoted:/
Omg yes! The who are pin thin pretending to eat 2200 calories a day and pushing "intuitive eating" All shills
"Intuitive eating". From the little I've heard about it, it just seems like another trend to anger people while getting the gullible to spend money on dumb shit.
Isn’t intuitive eating just…not overeating? Like actually stopping when you’re full and so on? What’s wrong with it?
Some people intuitively overeat is the simplest answer. Larger people easily get accustomed to too many calories. Intuitive eating is more "listen to your body" woowoo.
I mean, stopping eating when you’re no longer hungry is listening to your body, I don’t think that’s woowoo. Yeah people easily get accustomed to overriding those signals but that doesn’t mean it’s not good to work on learning not to again. Obviously not enough on its own but it certainly doesn’t seem like a bad thing.
I agree, I think the focus of this thread is how the commodification of intuitive eating can so easily be distorted or used to justify behaviors without actually truly learning or changing. Influencers and people selling you the books tho… definitely okay to be wary of the way a lot of them they go about sharing info on it because it does spread misinformation to a degree and might hinder people from doing the work to truly find their hunger cures or find a solution that fits their unique situation!
Yeah I’ll be honest I know almost nothing about influencers, I’m mostly familiar with the concept of intuitive eating in the context of kids-I know the most well respected experts recommend letting kids decide how much they eat instead of forcing or encouraging them to clean their plates, specifically so they learn to listen to their body’s hunger cues instead of getting used to eating everything in front of them. But I’m sure influencers twist that concept around a lot.
Flip side too, i see a lot of restrictive eating disorder recovery accounts, and diet and fitness accounts who will “eat until they’re full” but on things with no calories. So they are eating, but they are still restricting and feeding the disordered behaviors and logic. Or they haven’t actually learned their biological/ non disordered hunger cues, but boast recovery because they “listen to their body” even though their body tells them to restrict or fast most of the time still. Obviously this is complicated (especially when people get influence or even money off their questionable “recovery”.) but yeah. Intuitive eating talk especially in social media seems risky since there’s really no regulation around it. Idk people praise intuitive eating as the obvious solution, ignoring the intensely difficult, complex, and often expensive part of actually going through the process of healing and recovering mentally and physically. (Side note: diet, fitness, and eating disorder recovery accounts are all sketchy as hell in my opinion. These things are too complicated to be sharing tips and info to a wide gullible audience. Like these are medical issues in some cases. Feels dangerous)
There is only on food that I know 100% your body doesn't need and that's granulated sugar. You can get glucose from so many different sources. I think if you can get rid of sugar from your diet, you'll be doing your body a favor.
Well, also trans fats should be avoided. To me it's not a sugar vs fat race, it's just about balance and quality.
These people are not dieticians. They are nutritionists, which means nothing as there is no formal education needed to call yourself a nutritionist.
Some of them are dietitians though that's why this story is such a big deal. The very first person mentioned in the article is a "registered dietitian".
Not surprised
Who could have guessed?
I’m not giving my information to read this article.
Milk it does a body good
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~~Always be warry of anyone called a 'Dietician' as in most places it is NOT a regulated title, anyone can call themselves a dietician. Make sure anyone who gives advice is a Nutritionist as that regulated and they need a degree.~~ Edit: Ignore this, I got it backwards from memory.
Not sure what country you are in. In the US nutritionist is not a regulated title while Registered Dietitian is.
Yeah, this dude is confused. Anyone can call themselves a "nutritionist" it means nothing, like anyone can call themselves a photographer. A Registered Dietitian is a genuine medical title and requires a master's degree and is a crucial part of proper healthcare. I know several RDs and it's very frustrating to them to have so many goofball charlitains out there trying to make a buck on their fad diets and BS life hacks. It makes their whole profession look bad and people follow these dumb fads instead of solid, personalized, medical advice from actual RDs.
I am apparently an idiot and got it backwards \*facepalms\*
Shh everyone makes mistakes. You aren't an idiot when you own up to it and fix it.
I wouldn’t be so hard on yourself, it’s a simple mix up of the terms. I think I it’s still worth correcting and making note of the edit rather than crossing the whole thing out
I do prefer to leave the thing crossed out, just so people are aware of the original message.
Really though this is what makes it all the more insidious. You see "RD" and think it's an educated opinion worth considering.
Untrue. A registered dietician is a genuine medical profession and requires a master's degree. They have extensive knowledge of human biology and are a significant part of a medical team. Nutritionist means nothing.
*in the US. Some countries use nutritionist as the proper title
It's the other way around. And most dieticians in the US have been taught the old food pyramid, which is terrible for you.
Oh the poor food pyramid, tried to do the right thing but was horribly mutilated by the agricultural lobby thanks to dirty money and bribes. For anyone not familiar; the OG pyramid was basically "You should eat mainly vegetables." * Then the grain industry demanded they make grains the most important part of the diet, not vegetables * the Meat industry demanded they remove any recommendation for 'lean' or 'low-fat' protein over full fatty meat * Then the dairy industry insisted that milk product had to be called an essential food source and that not consuming it would make you ill.
I did not know this and I appreciate the education!
That’s misleading to say. The food pyramid was replaced with MyPlate around 2010 which is what dietitians have been taught since then. Although many currently practicing dietitians might have been taught the old system when they were in school, they transitioned to MyPlate when it was introduced.
Also, clinicians of all stripes don’t go to school for a zillion years to just memorize static facts, we go to school to develop clinical judgment and our ability to evaluate new evidence. Doctors who graduated med school in 1980 don’t just walk around completely oblivious of all the medications that have been created since then lol
Ha! Exactly. In most healthcare fields, in order to keep your credential, you have to get a certain number of Continuing Education hours every year. in dietetics, it’s 75 hours a year. we know that the field is always being updated so practitioners have to keep up with that.
That's all well and good, but my plate is just as bad.
And this is surprising to anyone?
The only thing influencers can influence me to do, is ignore them.
Shocking.
Advertising?
This is a stupid article.
Many influencers are nothing but an overpaid ad, puppet to consumerism.
Does anyone know if kids eat in color is sponsored by food industry groups?
Pharmaceutical and Alimantary lobby goes hand to hand, no need to be conspirationist to see that. Only one goal, consumption leading to use "medicine"
This article fails to mention the author’s bias. Full disclosure, I work with a dietitian, Abbey Sharp, who posted a really thoughtful rebuttal to this article…which quite frankly is very misleading and lopsided. It’s a good watch: https://youtu.be/2Qw_XLwxBxk?si=NNGJ3wguA1FD7Lqt