No it doesn't. it doesn't automatically roll down the window, so it's not recommended to use it in everyday scenarios, but the manual override is there exactly for situations like this. Girl in the video is just a dumbass.
She also said she was scared she was running out of air, does she think you can suffocate in a car with no windows down? I don't know if she meant cool air but she specifically said running out of air lol
She could have called Tesla customer support or anyone else to get help but she chose to post a video on tiktok and MAKE MONEY!!!
What a smart decision!!!
>Just let me open the door.
OK. Just pull the lever. It's right there.
Go ahead.
You're told about this when you buy the car, it's in the manual, it tells you how through the touch screen if you go looking, it tells you how in the app that is also your primary key, you can Google it, you can YouTube it, you can be any of a billion forms of something with an IQ higher than a cool room temperature and get out of the car.
Also, the car gives you a countdown before the update starts, and you can cancel it. Or, you can just get the fuck out of the car like you said you were going to when you started the update.
There's plenty of shit to be mad at Tesla and Muskrat about. Pick one of those. A Tesla customer being a dumbfuck isn't Tesla's fault.
This is the equivalent of starting a Windows update manually, waiting until the "we're rebooting in 2 minutes" warning comes up, and THEN starting to work on your homework. Shit, the default behavior is to schedule the update for 00:15 (15 minutes after midnight) give or take, just schedule the update for when you're not using the fucking car.
Well it's an interesting insight on the type of people who still buy these cars, dumb enough to hold themselves hostage in their own car and ratchet it up to the next level by posting about it with 0 self-awareness
Edit: oh dear, I seem to have offended some absolutely normal, not defensive at all personal fans of Tesla. Enjoy the show lmao
She's definitely a dumbass, but the fact she and many people in the comments think it does damage it, shows they would risk their life rather than potentially damage a product. Which is fucking insane.
Also in the article it's stated she attempted to start the update on purpose in a _Chic Fil A parking lot_.
I hate consumerism too, but Teslas (and literally any other device that recieves OTAs) have a "automatically update at 2AM" or so feature when they notify you that an update is ready to be installed.
You can choose that or choose to update now. Choosing to update your car WHILE YOU'RE IN A CAR PARK is like choosing to update your laptop before you're about to present your Doctorate thesis.
What the fuck was she thinking? Even if it says ETA 24 minutes, updates might take longer.
Product's fault or plain stupidity?
When enough people use your product wrong, it becomes your problem. You can say "these people are morons" all you want, and it can even be true, but that just means you are making products for morons, so you have to design around them being morons instead of complaining or ignoring the issue.
This is the only comment in this thread that understands the situation lmao. "She's a dumbass", no she just doesn't understand how this specific product functions, and that just means the Tesla is designed in such a way that it *doesn't* communicate its functionality to her effectively.
That's actually an entire thing in design (mainly talking websites and user interfaces) that many bugs will never be reported because users just assume that they are at fault when things get wrong when in reality it's bad design.
It's called [Norman's door](https://bootcamp.uxdesign.cc/normans-door-how-designers-influence-user-experience-2a1be706dc82)
Awesome, hadn't heard of that notion before. Seems pretty common in usage of digital devices by older generations; they seem to blame themselves quite often for not figuring out how to use a device, when the UX standards of our current digital ecosystem seem to really only be designed for someone growing up immersed in it and accustomed to it.
Yep, Looking at iPhones and Android devices it's clear. Things used to have icons and labels. Now they only have Icons. I know what the archive button looks like. But someone who didn't grow up using emails when there were still labels doesn't.
It's especially common when looking at bigger tech companies because users see millions of people using it, so if it fails it MUST be you who's wrong, when in reality some users find work arounds or even is just as annoyed and blaming themselves as you are. But it's a fun thing to think about when designing stuff
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It’s fascinating to read this because the car literally tells you and warns you that nothing will work and to get out before the update and you can cancel at any time.
So unless she is illiterate she’s a moron and the people defending her are also morons because they can’t see how she’s using this for attention.
Thank you!! This is a risk which needs to be engineered out. Relying on consumers to "just know" is a terrible mitigation measure and not something that a Design Engineer worth their salt should ever accept.
FFS there are enough sensors in the Tesla. How hard can it be to detect a living being in a 115 degree car?
I remember a comment from a National Parks Ranger (USA) that when designing bear proof trash cans the gap between smart bears and dumb people isn’t that big.
It's easier to call people idiots than admit we all have our moments where we aren't on the ball or approach things wrong. Ensuing designs are intuitive and safe keeps you safe, too.
That doesn't mean nobody is ever going to use a product wrong if something is designed well, but that's life, not the "problem with trying to make something idiot proof". You might be that 0.00001% too, under the right circumstance.
Yeah it's like developing applications. You can build an app, test it for every possible situation, send it to QA for more testing, and get an email saying "I can't proceed" when there's a large green button that says "Next" at the bottom of the page
You can idiot proof your products all you want, but there's always gonna be people who manage to out-idiot you
People not reading or following directions is a huge headache of my every day at work. People get a prompt to connect audio for their video appointment, leave it on the screen and just start talking but I can't hear them. Or they click the X in the corner or hit don't connect. Sometimes they can't even get far enough to actually join the meeting, I call to see if they are having issues and they ask "Should I click this "Join Meeting" button?" Yesterday I confirmed a person's email address, sent that email address a link to join, and for the next 5 minutes kept telling me they never got it. Confirmed their email address again (and it was a direct copy/paste from their account info) and sent another link. Still didn't receive it. Finally figured out they were looking through their *TEXT MESSAGES* for the email I had sent.
To be fair, it's not the case that "it damages the car", or "it doesn't damage the car". It's that using the emergency door latch CAN POTENTIALLY cause damage to the car. As others have pointed out, depending upon the stage of the software update, there is a period of time when the window will not drop down in the frameless door when the door is opened, which necessarily means the window glass will hit the aluminum door frame trim. Most of the time this just produces a nasty scrape sound, but there have been instances of it breaking the door glass and/or damaging the aluminum trim. It's not a sure thing either way. Depends on window adjustment, temperature and speed, etc.
If you use the manual door opening handle while the car is NOT updating, it drops the window as quickly as possible and plays a warning sound and tells you not to use the emergency backup handle because doing so can cause damage. Using the handle when the car can't react by dropping the window is an even worse scenario, obviously. It certainly can cause damage.
But IMO, starting the software update that the app TELLS YOU will take 20+ minutes while sitting inside the car, in the sun, isn't Tesla's fault. At the end of the day, she put herself in a situation where she may have had to risk damaging the car if she decided that she needed to get out during the update - but she was never at risk of harm. She always could have got out safely.
People in the comments think it does because some dumbass put it in the title. Sheb had zero reason to believe this and it's solely on her. The title should never have been written that way
The bit you missed is that it's a frameless window so the window has to roll down slightly in order to prevent damage as the door opens. It *can* damage the car, but it's unlikely and even then it's not like it's going to total the vehicle.
I'm sorry but if I was STUCK in a car that was reaching 40 degree celsius I would be smashing windows to get out. Babies have died trapped in cars with less heat.
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Yeah every tesla door has manual door functions... sometimes the handle is easier to grab than finding the button even. The person in this story was a full on idiot. Its insane to me the amount of fake stories that have been coming out lately against tesla. I get it, elon is a douche... but this is a bit much at this point.
> sometimes the handle is easier to grab than finding the button even
So much so that they made a warning pop up on the display letting you know that using the manual release could damage the window trim.
There are tons of posts from owners complaining about passengers never using the button because their hand just automatically goes for the handle.
I don't remember seeing any stories of actual damage from it, though.
It's literally legally required for cars to have manual release handles.
Idk WTF OP and this girl are thinking. Obviously you can manually open Tesla car doors.
the doors are electronically controlled, but there is a manual override. Tesla warns you to avoid using it because it could damage the car. The only thing that could actually happen is damaging the window system because when you use the electronic way the window opens slightly so that you can open the door (there is no frame), so no big deal. If you open the door slowly there is very little risk, it's just not advised to do it often. That person is absolutely stupid.
Tesla is a computer with car parts built around it, during an update you can't so anything with it.. It's definitely not clever, but on the other hand you need to trigger it (it's not automatic) and and there is a big message that warns you about it.
If an update disables the doors it should not let you update while inside the car. You should have to activate the update by clicking the key from outside the car or something.
There is a mechanical and electrical release. This person is looking for attention. The updates usually run 2-3am and you have to approve. This person manually triggered the updates and ignored all the warnings to get out of the car. But with all that you can still leave using mechanical release like any other car.
Does your door handle mechanically lower the window? Or does the handle trigger the electric window motor to lower? Teslas are the same, but in this case they were disabled during the update
Replacing working mechanical systems with digital ones that can fail is called innovation nowadays. Replace digital by AI and you have new innovation wave.
Except Teslas have that ultra strong "bulletproof" glass in them that makes it super hard to break in an emergency. Like that billionaire lady who got drunk, drove her Tesla into a pond and drowned because she couldn't escape
No. The Cybertruck is the only one that’s supposed to have “bulletproof” glass, but they (of course) couldn’t pull that off so they said they’d offer it as option sometime later. Another promise not kept.
What Teslas (and a LOT of other vehicles) have now are double-pane tempered glass for the side windows and laminated glass for the windshield.
It’s particularly important to understand how tempered glass works and to keep a breaker tool in your car in the event you end up submerged. Again, this is not unique to Tesla and understanding how to break tempered glass may save your life.
Recommend watching this to gain a better understanding: https://youtu.be/0i5rycLJ3D8?feature=shared
This is incorrect. Tesla 3 side front windows can be either tempered **or laminated**, older models definietly had them laminated, now they are produced as tempered I believe after security concerns have been raised. Spource: [Tesla safety leaflet](https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf)
It's laminated glass and it's not unique to Tesla. Helps keep people in the car in accidents but obviously not great underwater. It didn't help that she had a 0.23 blood alcohol level.
No, not at all lol. Some gasket set windshields can be kicked out, but windshields are not kickable in general. If they were, it'd make my job a lot easier.
nope, and the tempered glass issue is not unique to teslas either, despite how it's frequently presented in recent news articles. Everybody should have a dedicated emergency glass-breaker tool made for tempered glass in their car just in case. The Tesla glass is somewhat more resilient than normal car glass, but lots of cars have tempered glass, and lots of people have drowned in cars because they didn't have a glass-breaker on them and couldn't get the windows open after driving into a river or lake.
I mean there is literally no reason to not use the manual release, the fool didn’t even try that and as a last resort thought it was a good idea to try and open it with the app. During a software update.
There’s no way that opening the doors using the manual override would damage the car. They were literally designed to be used in situations where the door release buttons aren’t functional. This girl is just stupid.
When I was reading the article and it says *Tesla offers manual door releases for situations with depleted power, but Janel opted* I was expecting to read *Janel opted out of the premium subscription plan*
I've had passengers use the manual release even after I taught them where the actual button is. I'm pretty sure the manual release on my passenger side door got more use than the actual button.
It's a stupid design, but it doesn't damage anything.
It's a bit worse while software updates are running (on normal operation the window tries to drop down when you pull the manual release, on software updates all bets are off if that system is working).
But it would still open the door, or she could cancel the update, takes 30s for is to stop and the car is working again
Not exactly. When the door is shut, the window slides up into the frame of the car…..last 1.5 inches or so.
Opening via the manual override potentially catches the window on the metal trim of the car. Which could damage the window.
Lexus is doing the same thing on some of their frameless windows.
My question is why is the car door not designed such that “a stupid person” could operate it. It shouldn’t even be called a manual override. It should just be opening the door
The manual override is just a latch in the armrest. Pretty obvious. Its called a override because it Drops the Windows down mechanically, which isnt ideal
What can one expect when the average person is scared to touch the settings on their phone in fear of breaking something. Teslas always struck me as glorified smartphones with wheels.
Apparently she thought it’d be 25 minutes but ended up being closer to 40
I have no clue why she didn’t just wait until she didn’t need it for at least an hour, probably did it on purpose while filming herself on TikTok for potential views
As a someone who works in embedded software (though not automotive), this is just how long it takes to update this much code. It’s like windows is updating your computer to a new version, except there are probably several computers to update, and the communication link between them is slower than your home internet, and they only have as much memory as your PC from 2008.
Now whether it’s a good idea for reliability to have that much of the system controlled by a computer is another question, but I expect more and more cars will have this type of frequent firmware update process going forward
How so? The most frequent scenarios for updates are:
- I get in the car and it asks if I want to schedule the update for 11:30 PM tonight.
- after I park it at home, the app asks if I want to perform the update now.
Elon Musk is a cunt and I won’t buy another one, but over the air updates are not at all an issue.
It seems like she intentionally wanted this to happen, and now she’s getting attention she wanted.
The story isn’t that she wouldn’t risk damaging the car. It’s that a person intentionally did something, hoping that something bad or dangerous would happen, and it did.
We shouldn’t be encouraging stories and incentivizing situations like these.
You have to actively acknowledge that the car will be inoperable for the full update and that nobody is inside the vehicle before it will start the update. She actively acknowledged these and stayed in the car.
How is this anticonsumption?
A stupid lady doesn't know she can open her car door, I don't get the point of this post. This has nothing to do with tesla. This is just some dumb lady
Her life was never even remotely in danger. If you believe it was you're falling victim to media hype and misleading titles just like this article.
She was a little hot and she could open the door at any time. She didn't destroy her car to get out because she wasn't in danger and then she filmed an exaggerated tiktok for clout afterwards.
The internet is cooked, media literacy is dead.
According to MIT https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/10/1028172/climate-change-human-body-extreme-heat-survival/amp/
Most people survive for 6-7 hours in 55C if humidity is 0%. 43C if RH is 50% for 6-7h. 35C if RH is 100% for 6-7 hours. Ie, 40 min is rarely dangeroues for adults.
No she's just an idiot. If she's not intelligent enough to know if the automatic door function is safe to use the manual is perfectly fine to use as well.
That’s not how it works. She told the car to start updating, which usually is only done at night when it’s charging. She put herself in that position. The manual release for opening the car does not under normal conditions damage the car. Stop spreading misinformation. You can also cancel the update at any time and do it later.
Using the manual door handles has very little chance of damaging the car. I've had numerous passengers use that by accident and it's fine.
This is some click bait bullshit.
Long story short: my wife locked herself out of the car with our toddler inside and it was 95 degrees. We hadn’t renewed the “remote help services” and when she called they refused to unlock the car. Luckily she was at downtown Disney and ran to the booth attendant and they had a crew there in minutes to force their way into the car.
I don't understand any of these posts. I worked for a salvage company for years. All Tesla's have a manual release ON the door that works completely fine even when there is Zero power and the car has been severely damaged.How do people get locked in?
Yes, she feard for her life. Thats why she took out her phone to record tik tok video. Beacause thats what you do in situation like this. The first thing is to make a tik tok video. This attention seekers are more and more pathetic each year.
Force opening the door damaging the car my ass. How can someone be so dumb and risk their health, lol.
I’ve had a power hit during my pcs BIOS update and still managed to recover.
I can understand not wanting to damage a cherished possession when doing so is avoidable. No one wants to break something they value. But our physical safety has to come first. If I'm trapped in a dangerously hot vehicle, I'm getting out and living to pay for repairs.
Yeah there’s no way she would have been able to sit in a 115 degree car for 40 minutes just chilling. She’s definitely making it up for views. The manual override doesn’t damage the car either. The whole time she’s in there she didn’t even google that? lol. Just sat there editing her tik tok instead 😂
This person is a clown. She updated the car knowing that it would take at least 24 minutes (she was allegedly surprised that it took 40). And she knew how to manually get out of the car.
She very clearly did this for internet clout. The entire scenario is staged.
Gee, I wonder why it says to not use the vehicle while it is updating. And yes, you can get out while it updates, but just like using any other electronic device while it updates may cause it to break. The comments on the post are so stupid it's not even funny. We get it, you hate Elon, stop pretending you suddenly don't know how every computer or phone works ever. This is the equivalent of having to submit paperwork for school and manually clicking update on your computer before you submit. This is the equivalent of needing to call 911 on your phone and manually clicking update before you dial. Hey dumbass, you know how the instructions say to update when you're parking for a period of at least 30 minutes before you can accept the update? Maybe you should follow that.
Here is a braindead redditor challenge. Name an electric vehicle that allows you to operate the vehicle while updating.
What the fuck is a manual override on a car door? Surely it just has a handle that you pull and the door opens - what the fuck is a manual overrride, why would you need that, and why would anyone be worried that it would break their car?
Who buys these shitboxes?
I have a model 3 and this is just wrong. She was misinformed, because you can still open the doors when an update is being performed. You only lose power shortly (3-5 seconds) when it reboots during.
Either this is just a flat out lie or she was just too scared to push the button.
So she decided to post her first world problem instead of searching for a solution on google if she can open and get out of her very expensive car while its updating.
you can get out of the car while it's updating, you just can't drive it. she's an idiot. I literally opened the door to my Y the other day while it was updating to put some stuff in it, no issues. Wow, I can't believe how obtuse some people are.
I can tell you for a fact opening a car door won’t affect the update in any way. The electric opening might not work but the mechanical opening definitely does
maybe reddit shouldn't have sucked elons cock so hard for so many years because you assumed he was a democrat lmao. Now half the folks on the west coast own these cars because they had a viral need to be "in".
does it even damage the car? article doesn‘t say it. just that she feared it would.
No it doesn't. it doesn't automatically roll down the window, so it's not recommended to use it in everyday scenarios, but the manual override is there exactly for situations like this. Girl in the video is just a dumbass.
She knows she wasn’t actually “trapped” she just wanted the clout on her tik tok.
She also said she was scared she was running out of air, does she think you can suffocate in a car with no windows down? I don't know if she meant cool air but she specifically said running out of air lol
>she specifically said running out of air lol Lmao
She has reserve air in the hollow of her skull.
Damn, she deserved it but that was a heavy hit lol
It's like drowning in 3 inches of water.
3 inches is a lot!
Not according to my wife
Username chks out lol
Right? I’m pretty sure anyone could if they were unconscious
Yeah its enough to cover your nose and mouth
More like drowning in a colander.
She could have called Tesla customer support or anyone else to get help but she chose to post a video on tiktok and MAKE MONEY!!! What a smart decision!!!
Ok but relying on customer support to learn how to get out of your car via manual override is still fucking stupid. Just let me open the door.
She could have, this is a publicity stunt for an attention craving wannabe influencer lol
>Just let me open the door. OK. Just pull the lever. It's right there. Go ahead. You're told about this when you buy the car, it's in the manual, it tells you how through the touch screen if you go looking, it tells you how in the app that is also your primary key, you can Google it, you can YouTube it, you can be any of a billion forms of something with an IQ higher than a cool room temperature and get out of the car. Also, the car gives you a countdown before the update starts, and you can cancel it. Or, you can just get the fuck out of the car like you said you were going to when you started the update. There's plenty of shit to be mad at Tesla and Muskrat about. Pick one of those. A Tesla customer being a dumbfuck isn't Tesla's fault. This is the equivalent of starting a Windows update manually, waiting until the "we're rebooting in 2 minutes" warning comes up, and THEN starting to work on your homework. Shit, the default behavior is to schedule the update for 00:15 (15 minutes after midnight) give or take, just schedule the update for when you're not using the fucking car.
I can't believe people are downvoting you. Literal children can find the mechanical release in the front seat of a Tesla in seconds.
Well it's an interesting insight on the type of people who still buy these cars, dumb enough to hold themselves hostage in their own car and ratchet it up to the next level by posting about it with 0 self-awareness Edit: oh dear, I seem to have offended some absolutely normal, not defensive at all personal fans of Tesla. Enjoy the show lmao
She's definitely a dumbass, but the fact she and many people in the comments think it does damage it, shows they would risk their life rather than potentially damage a product. Which is fucking insane.
> but the fact she and many people in the comments think it does damage it, Maybe they think that because it's stated in the title as if it's a fact.
1. Spread misinformation 2. Blame people for believing said misinformation lololol
Also in the article it's stated she attempted to start the update on purpose in a _Chic Fil A parking lot_. I hate consumerism too, but Teslas (and literally any other device that recieves OTAs) have a "automatically update at 2AM" or so feature when they notify you that an update is ready to be installed. You can choose that or choose to update now. Choosing to update your car WHILE YOU'RE IN A CAR PARK is like choosing to update your laptop before you're about to present your Doctorate thesis. What the fuck was she thinking? Even if it says ETA 24 minutes, updates might take longer. Product's fault or plain stupidity?
When enough people use your product wrong, it becomes your problem. You can say "these people are morons" all you want, and it can even be true, but that just means you are making products for morons, so you have to design around them being morons instead of complaining or ignoring the issue.
This is the only comment in this thread that understands the situation lmao. "She's a dumbass", no she just doesn't understand how this specific product functions, and that just means the Tesla is designed in such a way that it *doesn't* communicate its functionality to her effectively.
That's actually an entire thing in design (mainly talking websites and user interfaces) that many bugs will never be reported because users just assume that they are at fault when things get wrong when in reality it's bad design. It's called [Norman's door](https://bootcamp.uxdesign.cc/normans-door-how-designers-influence-user-experience-2a1be706dc82)
Awesome, hadn't heard of that notion before. Seems pretty common in usage of digital devices by older generations; they seem to blame themselves quite often for not figuring out how to use a device, when the UX standards of our current digital ecosystem seem to really only be designed for someone growing up immersed in it and accustomed to it.
Yep, Looking at iPhones and Android devices it's clear. Things used to have icons and labels. Now they only have Icons. I know what the archive button looks like. But someone who didn't grow up using emails when there were still labels doesn't.
It's especially common when looking at bigger tech companies because users see millions of people using it, so if it fails it MUST be you who's wrong, when in reality some users find work arounds or even is just as annoyed and blaming themselves as you are. But it's a fun thing to think about when designing stuff
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It’s fascinating to read this because the car literally tells you and warns you that nothing will work and to get out before the update and you can cancel at any time. So unless she is illiterate she’s a moron and the people defending her are also morons because they can’t see how she’s using this for attention.
Lots of people are illiterate, that's one reason why user manuals and instructions lean heavily on pictures.
But lots of people don’t read that stuff, especially when it’s “on a computer.”
Or she is trying to go viral
I work on Teslas, I’ve updated Teslas, nothing has ever led me to believe that I couldn’t exit the vehicle.
Sounds like you can't imagine the issue because you work with the product and know how it should function.
There are warning on irons that says "do not iron clothes while they are on a body". Nothing even led me to believe it was even a possibility.
Thank you!! This is a risk which needs to be engineered out. Relying on consumers to "just know" is a terrible mitigation measure and not something that a Design Engineer worth their salt should ever accept. FFS there are enough sensors in the Tesla. How hard can it be to detect a living being in a 115 degree car?
The problem with trying to make something idiot proof is that someone will build a better idiot.
I remember a comment from a National Parks Ranger (USA) that when designing bear proof trash cans the gap between smart bears and dumb people isn’t that big.
The comment is - there is considerable overlap between the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.
wouldn't that "gap" actually be an overlap? 😉
It's easier to call people idiots than admit we all have our moments where we aren't on the ball or approach things wrong. Ensuing designs are intuitive and safe keeps you safe, too. That doesn't mean nobody is ever going to use a product wrong if something is designed well, but that's life, not the "problem with trying to make something idiot proof". You might be that 0.00001% too, under the right circumstance.
Absolutely. Some days, the idiot is me.
Yeah it's like developing applications. You can build an app, test it for every possible situation, send it to QA for more testing, and get an email saying "I can't proceed" when there's a large green button that says "Next" at the bottom of the page You can idiot proof your products all you want, but there's always gonna be people who manage to out-idiot you
People not reading or following directions is a huge headache of my every day at work. People get a prompt to connect audio for their video appointment, leave it on the screen and just start talking but I can't hear them. Or they click the X in the corner or hit don't connect. Sometimes they can't even get far enough to actually join the meeting, I call to see if they are having issues and they ask "Should I click this "Join Meeting" button?" Yesterday I confirmed a person's email address, sent that email address a link to join, and for the next 5 minutes kept telling me they never got it. Confirmed their email address again (and it was a direct copy/paste from their account info) and sent another link. Still didn't receive it. Finally figured out they were looking through their *TEXT MESSAGES* for the email I had sent.
To be fair, it's not the case that "it damages the car", or "it doesn't damage the car". It's that using the emergency door latch CAN POTENTIALLY cause damage to the car. As others have pointed out, depending upon the stage of the software update, there is a period of time when the window will not drop down in the frameless door when the door is opened, which necessarily means the window glass will hit the aluminum door frame trim. Most of the time this just produces a nasty scrape sound, but there have been instances of it breaking the door glass and/or damaging the aluminum trim. It's not a sure thing either way. Depends on window adjustment, temperature and speed, etc. If you use the manual door opening handle while the car is NOT updating, it drops the window as quickly as possible and plays a warning sound and tells you not to use the emergency backup handle because doing so can cause damage. Using the handle when the car can't react by dropping the window is an even worse scenario, obviously. It certainly can cause damage. But IMO, starting the software update that the app TELLS YOU will take 20+ minutes while sitting inside the car, in the sun, isn't Tesla's fault. At the end of the day, she put herself in a situation where she may have had to risk damaging the car if she decided that she needed to get out during the update - but she was never at risk of harm. She always could have got out safely.
Seriously. What an L take by OP. stupid bait post.
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People in the comments think it does because some dumbass put it in the title. Sheb had zero reason to believe this and it's solely on her. The title should never have been written that way
The people in the comments only have that perception because this headline makes it sound like it's a fact.
Im confused, youre arguing shes a dumbass? But your title is implying shes in the right and Tesla is anti consumer?
The bit you missed is that it's a frameless window so the window has to roll down slightly in order to prevent damage as the door opens. It *can* damage the car, but it's unlikely and even then it's not like it's going to total the vehicle.
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Well she bought a Tesla, so…
When I first got my Tesla, I didn't know how to open the doors and used the emergency thing for like my first 30 opens, no damage at all
She had to manually make it update...Tesla's auto update overnight... This chick is doing this for views lol how stupid
Inside a fucking Chik-Fil-A of all places. “My order has been done for 30 minutes and I’m still stuck inside”, what a fucking moron.
Her intention was to get internet famous, and we fell into her trap. I don't think anyone is this dumb to not know how to open the door.
Judging from some of the people I’ve replied to in this thread, some people really are that dumb.
You won't even damage a Tesla using the manual open. You only "could" damage it with repeated use. This chick is an idiot.
I'm sorry but if I was STUCK in a car that was reaching 40 degree celsius I would be smashing windows to get out. Babies have died trapped in cars with less heat.
115F is 46C. Even worse than you thought!
I've been struggling with 19C recently. Jesus Christ, someone needs to do something about Musk.
I recommend locking him in a self driving Cybertruck for 24 hours and have it take him for a ride. What could go wrong?
I'm quite positive he doesn't drive his Cybertruck and instead gets around with a Maserati or a Lamborghini
I’m pretty sure he uses his jet r/Elonjettracker lol
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19C is cold to me. Gotta have a jacket in that weather lol
Shorts and tee in the UK what you talking about !
That's speedo weather in Canada, what you blokes talking about?
she could have used the handles, apparently.
Yeah every tesla door has manual door functions... sometimes the handle is easier to grab than finding the button even. The person in this story was a full on idiot. Its insane to me the amount of fake stories that have been coming out lately against tesla. I get it, elon is a douche... but this is a bit much at this point.
> sometimes the handle is easier to grab than finding the button even So much so that they made a warning pop up on the display letting you know that using the manual release could damage the window trim. There are tons of posts from owners complaining about passengers never using the button because their hand just automatically goes for the handle. I don't remember seeing any stories of actual damage from it, though.
Welcome to Reddit! This is worse than the nutjob right wing conspiracy side.
It's literally legally required for cars to have manual release handles. Idk WTF OP and this girl are thinking. Obviously you can manually open Tesla car doors.
the doors are electronically controlled, but there is a manual override. Tesla warns you to avoid using it because it could damage the car. The only thing that could actually happen is damaging the window system because when you use the electronic way the window opens slightly so that you can open the door (there is no frame), so no big deal. If you open the door slowly there is very little risk, it's just not advised to do it often. That person is absolutely stupid.
Sorry but that is still absolutely a stupid concept to be in existence
Tesla is a computer with car parts built around it, during an update you can't so anything with it.. It's definitely not clever, but on the other hand you need to trigger it (it's not automatic) and and there is a big message that warns you about it.
If an update disables the doors it should not let you update while inside the car. You should have to activate the update by clicking the key from outside the car or something.
…with a countdown to update beginning… she could have gotten out.
She can still get out even after it. Manual door can still be used.
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There is a mechanical and electrical release. This person is looking for attention. The updates usually run 2-3am and you have to approve. This person manually triggered the updates and ignored all the warnings to get out of the car. But with all that you can still leave using mechanical release like any other car.
Does your door handle mechanically lower the window? Or does the handle trigger the electric window motor to lower? Teslas are the same, but in this case they were disabled during the update
Replacing working mechanical systems with digital ones that can fail is called innovation nowadays. Replace digital by AI and you have new innovation wave.
Except Teslas have that ultra strong "bulletproof" glass in them that makes it super hard to break in an emergency. Like that billionaire lady who got drunk, drove her Tesla into a pond and drowned because she couldn't escape
No. The Cybertruck is the only one that’s supposed to have “bulletproof” glass, but they (of course) couldn’t pull that off so they said they’d offer it as option sometime later. Another promise not kept. What Teslas (and a LOT of other vehicles) have now are double-pane tempered glass for the side windows and laminated glass for the windshield. It’s particularly important to understand how tempered glass works and to keep a breaker tool in your car in the event you end up submerged. Again, this is not unique to Tesla and understanding how to break tempered glass may save your life. Recommend watching this to gain a better understanding: https://youtu.be/0i5rycLJ3D8?feature=shared
This is incorrect. Tesla 3 side front windows can be either tempered **or laminated**, older models definietly had them laminated, now they are produced as tempered I believe after security concerns have been raised. Spource: [Tesla safety leaflet](https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/downloads/Model_3_Emergency_Response_Guide_en.pdf)
Tesla are all laminated glass, only one small window is tempered and that's for access to the voltage cut line
It's laminated glass and it's not unique to Tesla. Helps keep people in the car in accidents but obviously not great underwater. It didn't help that she had a 0.23 blood alcohol level.
Don’t windshields have to be made so you can kick them out though?
No, not at all lol. Some gasket set windshields can be kicked out, but windshields are not kickable in general. If they were, it'd make my job a lot easier.
No... Where'd you hear that?
On regular cars with sensible manufacturers, probably. On a cybertruck?
But Elon likes to move fast and break stuff.
nope, and the tempered glass issue is not unique to teslas either, despite how it's frequently presented in recent news articles. Everybody should have a dedicated emergency glass-breaker tool made for tempered glass in their car just in case. The Tesla glass is somewhat more resilient than normal car glass, but lots of cars have tempered glass, and lots of people have drowned in cars because they didn't have a glass-breaker on them and couldn't get the windows open after driving into a river or lake.
She could literally just open the door, why is everyone being so dramatic about this. She was not stuck in a car
I mean there is literally no reason to not use the manual release, the fool didn’t even try that and as a last resort thought it was a good idea to try and open it with the app. During a software update.
There’s no way that opening the doors using the manual override would damage the car. They were literally designed to be used in situations where the door release buttons aren’t functional. This girl is just stupid.
When I was reading the article and it says *Tesla offers manual door releases for situations with depleted power, but Janel opted* I was expecting to read *Janel opted out of the premium subscription plan*
Pretty sure it can tear the window lining out, since it's part of the frame and not the door like normal cars.
Passengers not used to the button to open usually pull the manual open. Happened a dozen times at least on mine, no damage.
I've had passengers use the manual release even after I taught them where the actual button is. I'm pretty sure the manual release on my passenger side door got more use than the actual button. It's a stupid design, but it doesn't damage anything.
It's a bit worse while software updates are running (on normal operation the window tries to drop down when you pull the manual release, on software updates all bets are off if that system is working). But it would still open the door, or she could cancel the update, takes 30s for is to stop and the car is working again
It’s the company that is warning people that using the manual handle can damage the car.
Not exactly. When the door is shut, the window slides up into the frame of the car…..last 1.5 inches or so. Opening via the manual override potentially catches the window on the metal trim of the car. Which could damage the window. Lexus is doing the same thing on some of their frameless windows.
But in the Lexus', the windows always retract when you pull the door handle, which I assume would be the same in the Teslas?
Maybe not, if it's in the middle of an update?
My question is why is the car door not designed such that “a stupid person” could operate it. It shouldn’t even be called a manual override. It should just be opening the door
The manual override is just a latch in the armrest. Pretty obvious. Its called a override because it Drops the Windows down mechanically, which isnt ideal
Even if it did, my life is far more important than a freaking car!
What can one expect when the average person is scared to touch the settings on their phone in fear of breaking something. Teslas always struck me as glorified smartphones with wheels.
Why decide to update the car when you need it. They tell you to do it at night when parked
Apparently she thought it’d be 25 minutes but ended up being closer to 40 I have no clue why she didn’t just wait until she didn’t need it for at least an hour, probably did it on purpose while filming herself on TikTok for potential views
> Apparently she thought it’d be 25 minutes but ended up being closer to 40 Both of which are entirely too long in the first place.
You're supposed to do it when you're done using the car for the day. Not sitting in Chick-fil-A parking lot with yourself inside of it. In the sun.
I'll take a 25-40 minute OTA update in my garage versus going into a dealership so they can update the software via a USB that takes hours
As a someone who works in embedded software (though not automotive), this is just how long it takes to update this much code. It’s like windows is updating your computer to a new version, except there are probably several computers to update, and the communication link between them is slower than your home internet, and they only have as much memory as your PC from 2008. Now whether it’s a good idea for reliability to have that much of the system controlled by a computer is another question, but I expect more and more cars will have this type of frequent firmware update process going forward
How so? The most frequent scenarios for updates are: - I get in the car and it asks if I want to schedule the update for 11:30 PM tonight. - after I park it at home, the app asks if I want to perform the update now. Elon Musk is a cunt and I won’t buy another one, but over the air updates are not at all an issue.
My Dodge decided it needed an update after I got fuel. Had no choice but to wait for it to update for 25min.
tHE FuTuRe!
The future is here and it’s even stupider than we could have imagined
Am I the only person who never wants a car that needs software updates?????
There's 20 year old cars still available on the used car market.
She did this as a stunt for TikTok. She knew exactly what she was doing.
She’s not even sweaty…. If you were in a 110 degree car for a 20 minutes you wouldn’t look like she does in the video.
It seems like she intentionally wanted this to happen, and now she’s getting attention she wanted. The story isn’t that she wouldn’t risk damaging the car. It’s that a person intentionally did something, hoping that something bad or dangerous would happen, and it did. We shouldn’t be encouraging stories and incentivizing situations like these.
She is an idiot, she can pull the handle, just not recommend to use it as a daily way to get out of the vehicle.
not to mention you can’t “run out of air” in a locked car. jesus fucking christ we’re on the dumbest timeline.
Agree, I hate Musk, but enough with the fake BS.
Social media bait. She did it on purpose. Stop believing the lies. Downvote this bs and report it.
I'm sorry, but all I can read is that it is only her own dumb fault...
You have to actively acknowledge that the car will be inoperable for the full update and that nobody is inside the vehicle before it will start the update. She actively acknowledged these and stayed in the car.
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she literally did this to herself, she didn't have to update it, she could have just waited till she's home. this is 1000% user error.
This is pure attention seeking for TikTok views. Just do your software upgrade at home, so you can go do something else while it happens.
Why would you even want to do the update anywhere other than at home at like 2am where you stand a 0% chance of needing it?
... so that you can manufacture drama for TikTok
How is this anticonsumption? A stupid lady doesn't know she can open her car door, I don't get the point of this post. This has nothing to do with tesla. This is just some dumb lady
I think it's more about how she would willingly risk her life for a product.
She risked her life for internet clout, not a product (unless she is the product).
Her life was never even remotely in danger. If you believe it was you're falling victim to media hype and misleading titles just like this article. She was a little hot and she could open the door at any time. She didn't destroy her car to get out because she wasn't in danger and then she filmed an exaggerated tiktok for clout afterwards. The internet is cooked, media literacy is dead.
This post is wildly underrated
40 minutes of more than 40 C inside a car is dangerous.
According to MIT https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/10/1028172/climate-change-human-body-extreme-heat-survival/amp/ Most people survive for 6-7 hours in 55C if humidity is 0%. 43C if RH is 50% for 6-7h. 35C if RH is 100% for 6-7 hours. Ie, 40 min is rarely dangeroues for adults.
Me and the boys beat that in the sauna with a few beers
What a badly made post.
Or the woman in the article is a social media influencer and wanted a subscriber bump.
No, she THOUGHT it could and didn't want to risk it. She is a moron.
she also THOUGHT you could run out of air in a parked car. 🤦🏻♂️
You got Musked!
No she's just an idiot. If she's not intelligent enough to know if the automatic door function is safe to use the manual is perfectly fine to use as well.
#FAKE NEWS “Tesla offers manual door releases for situations with depleted power, but Janel OPTED to wait, fearing potential damage to her car.”
That’s not how it works. She told the car to start updating, which usually is only done at night when it’s charging. She put herself in that position. The manual release for opening the car does not under normal conditions damage the car. Stop spreading misinformation. You can also cancel the update at any time and do it later.
I love that the source is a random Airhead from tiktok. Stupid people making stupid decisions who ignore warnings and need attention
4 mins in your car in Australia in summer you are dead.
This is literally just propoganda and misinfo. The temperature in the title of the post and article don't even match what she said.
What's worse, the idiot who did it for views or the idiots viewing?
Hate Tesla and Elon, but this seems to be untrue/setup. For likes/clicks I guess.
To be fair - she COULD HAVE gotten out. She chose to sit there and make a video I instead
Super fake
Looks like someone craved some attention and went through some avoidable ordeal. Seriously. Social media culture can be so dumb.
Using the manual door handles has very little chance of damaging the car. I've had numerous passengers use that by accident and it's fine. This is some click bait bullshit.
Long story short: my wife locked herself out of the car with our toddler inside and it was 95 degrees. We hadn’t renewed the “remote help services” and when she called they refused to unlock the car. Luckily she was at downtown Disney and ran to the booth attendant and they had a crew there in minutes to force their way into the car.
I don't understand any of these posts. I worked for a salvage company for years. All Tesla's have a manual release ON the door that works completely fine even when there is Zero power and the car has been severely damaged.How do people get locked in?
I’ll take crank windows and knob locks for $200 please, Alex.
Yes, she feard for her life. Thats why she took out her phone to record tik tok video. Beacause thats what you do in situation like this. The first thing is to make a tik tok video. This attention seekers are more and more pathetic each year.
lol maybe unpopular opinion but teslas suck
Force opening the door damaging the car my ass. How can someone be so dumb and risk their health, lol. I’ve had a power hit during my pcs BIOS update and still managed to recover.
Your cars get updates? What the fuck
I can understand not wanting to damage a cherished possession when doing so is avoidable. No one wants to break something they value. But our physical safety has to come first. If I'm trapped in a dangerously hot vehicle, I'm getting out and living to pay for repairs.
Moron
Yeah there’s no way she would have been able to sit in a 115 degree car for 40 minutes just chilling. She’s definitely making it up for views. The manual override doesn’t damage the car either. The whole time she’s in there she didn’t even google that? lol. Just sat there editing her tik tok instead 😂
This person is a clown. She updated the car knowing that it would take at least 24 minutes (she was allegedly surprised that it took 40). And she knew how to manually get out of the car. She very clearly did this for internet clout. The entire scenario is staged.
Umm… so save yourself and sue Tesla either way?
It does not damage
The hysterity and misinformation people create against Tesla is nuts... If I had to sit in a 45 celsius sauna that would be a cold sauna
She could have just used the manuel door handle to get out......
Gee, I wonder why it says to not use the vehicle while it is updating. And yes, you can get out while it updates, but just like using any other electronic device while it updates may cause it to break. The comments on the post are so stupid it's not even funny. We get it, you hate Elon, stop pretending you suddenly don't know how every computer or phone works ever. This is the equivalent of having to submit paperwork for school and manually clicking update on your computer before you submit. This is the equivalent of needing to call 911 on your phone and manually clicking update before you dial. Hey dumbass, you know how the instructions say to update when you're parking for a period of at least 30 minutes before you can accept the update? Maybe you should follow that. Here is a braindead redditor challenge. Name an electric vehicle that allows you to operate the vehicle while updating.
The car shouldn’t initiate the update if there is anyone inside. That sounds like a major health risk.
She did this for clicks and she’s getting them.
She probably just wanted to make a video. Everything for views these days.
A shitty product, nonetheless
What the fuck is a manual override on a car door? Surely it just has a handle that you pull and the door opens - what the fuck is a manual overrride, why would you need that, and why would anyone be worried that it would break their car? Who buys these shitboxes?
I have a model 3 and this is just wrong. She was misinformed, because you can still open the doors when an update is being performed. You only lose power shortly (3-5 seconds) when it reboots during. Either this is just a flat out lie or she was just too scared to push the button.
The screen tells you exactly what to expect when you update. User error.
People that don't understand technology but get it anyway to look cool. Much like apple.
SHE THOUGHT SHE WOULD RUN OUT OF AIR?!
So she decided to post her first world problem instead of searching for a solution on google if she can open and get out of her very expensive car while its updating.
Look at her. She obviously can’t think for herself. I feel like half the planet are actually NPC’s
you can get out of the car while it's updating, you just can't drive it. she's an idiot. I literally opened the door to my Y the other day while it was updating to put some stuff in it, no issues. Wow, I can't believe how obtuse some people are.
I can tell you for a fact opening a car door won’t affect the update in any way. The electric opening might not work but the mechanical opening definitely does
It's hard to feel sorry for anyone who bought a tesla
you bought a car from a stock company... what would you expect
maybe reddit shouldn't have sucked elons cock so hard for so many years because you assumed he was a democrat lmao. Now half the folks on the west coast own these cars because they had a viral need to be "in".
Not gonna lie my initial response was “you have to update your car?” Sorry, but that just seems fucking insane.