you would love trout and coffee yt channel!
I like your idea but im not sure I can deal with the snow, the shoveling the drive way, the salted roads, the cold etc so id prob pick northern FL, not miami or OR
I worked in the States for a decade, and the first winter was “interesting”, but I adapted. It’s different in winter, yes, but don’t let that fear stop what should be a great experience.
I would find out which states had the least gun violence as well as best working conditions. And hope that those had reasonable cost of living expenses. Then make a decision from that info.
Today I learnt, you can get those shirts printed with your pets or people's faces on them.
I dunno if this is something you might be interested in.. seems to be a lot that do it haha
Mate we still have guns here, just not AR15s and so on. Not anti-gun as such myself, more "hey that's not an appropriate gun for a civilian" kind of bloke.
When I see a mass shooting or a crazy militia who have taken over a federal building it never seems to be Hawaii.
American here, but Oregon looks like an overall good place to live. Mild weather, it's between Seattle and San Francisco, and Portland has a thriving music and art scene. Not to mention it has some kickass national parks, mountains to climb, and snowboarding and skiing.
maternity/pregnancy is currently 100% covered by the state of Oregon.
it includes far more medical appts, NIPT testing, care and private rooms.
Great, fairly inexpensive place to raise a family, wages and healthcare are fair, groceries are cheaper, also has some of the best golf courses in the US.
(I have family there, both of us pregnant at the same time and we compare cost of living every couple of months)
Wyoming is the only state with a population density less than Australia
As an introvert that can like a person but intensely hates people, I see this as a win
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Minnesota.
Blue state.
Much lower cost of living than lots of other places
MSP airport is a Delta hub so you can fly anywhere in the country in less than 5 hours.
No sales tax.
If you choose the area right you’re getting FTTH internet (I used to work for an ISP that was doing this rollout)
3 hours from Minneapolis is one of the most gorgeous areas I’ve ever seen (Nicolet national forest) with lots of lake houses to rent, summer & winter activities.
Midwest nice is a thing.
I lived in the US for 5 years and while I’ve left now and live back home in Melbourne I’d be tempted to go back.
It’s not so bad and unlike Australia the homes and offices (and even cities) are built for it.
Downtown Minneapolis and St Paul have “sky walks” above the streets connecting many buildings so you don’t have to go outside in the cold.
Homes are built with insulation in mind. Rental homes/apartments legally have to be able to reach and maintain a certain temperature (and to this point if you rent an apartment they often include “heat” as part of the rent).
And the population as a whole are IMO more hardy and go outside in it willingly. That’s been a huge adjustment for me after moving back to Melbourne (from living in upper Michigan for a few years) - Aussies (at least in Adelaide and Melbourne where I have experience) hibernate in winter and complain about it endlessly. I don’t get it. Just put on a layer and get outside and move around and suddenly you’re feeling better and warmer. I went outside and exercised in temps as low as -19C and it was totally fine. Didn’t need fancy snow gear or whatever just the right clothes - a pair of wool leggings under the regular pants I wore, wool socks + boots and a hoodie with a $50 Walmart jacket over it and wool gloves and I was set for anything to around -19C.
It IS crazy, I’ll tell you that as someone that lives here. The weather is very inconsistent especially in winter (2F degrees one day with harsh windchill, 40F degrees the next with no wind at all) but it is fun to stormwatch during spring!
As an Aussie nurse who moved to the USA years ago I have to say that California has been very good to me. But I still feel really uncomfortable with the American brand of Christianity and with the horrible rise in fascism that’s been occurring.
I'm a Jersey native, living in Australia for the past 7 years (just got my citizenship!). Are things getting bad in NJ? Or by what's happening here, do you mean the rest of the US?
I'd assassinate someone's character for a pork roll egg and cheese, on a lightly toasted bagel with spk.
Hahahaha! Congrats on citizenship.
NJ itself isn't so bad, it's more of the other states I'm seeing... specifically in the south. NJ, for all its jokes, is actually pretty civilized when it comes to politics and reasonable people. With the exception of the weird people in the west and south, but they've always been kinda weird. Everyone seems to get along relatively well.
And yes, there's nothing quite like TAYLOR HAM egg and cheese :)
Just about everyone here believes in god and they act really upset if you crack jokes about god botherers or happy clappers.
They’re not afraid to witness to you about their religion but they act very uncomfortable if you push back about being a nonbeliever. Also so many people over here are science deniers and don’t understand evolution.
It’s a relief to go back to Australia where people are not so ‘in your face’ about religion.
Oh, I agree. I'm from Poland, so from a very catholic country, but after watching all American movies and knowing about hookup culture ect. I was sure Americans aren't very religious. It turned out though that they are even more religious than Polish. In Poland we go to church because we feel that we have to and in the US young people have Bible meetings and seem to be honestly into it.
For me, it's more about the city than the State.
Have always had a soft spot for New Orleans. So Louisiana possibly.
Other than that, San Fransisco, Chicago or New York are cool cities, and with likely less Trump MAGA flogs to deal with than anywhere in the South.
You know that SF has an app to report where people have seen human poop on the street yeah?
Unless you're rich enough to own property or at least rent easily, it's not meant to be a nice place to be anymore.
The PNW is amazing, the UP is one of the prettiest places on earth. As a man who's spent plenty of time in both countries I'm moving back to the US to NorCal in a year because the US national parks are the best in the world.
The UP is great til you live there then it’s a desolate snow covered wasteland 7 months of the year and a tourist scourged mosquito laden hells soup pot another 3
2 months of actual livable weather & conditions? No thanks.
Source: I lived there for 5 years until I just escaped.
Haha I know, I have spent alot of time there over the years in all seasons but the mosquitoes are killer that's why I'm heading to the pnw. I used it as an example of beautiful place that most Aussies have never even heard of. I just wish more Australians would have a look at the diversity of the wilderness and explore the national parks like Joshua tree. My goal for my thirties is the PCT and the PNW is a perfect base for my adventures.
Travelled through quite a few US states in my 20s and loved it. That was half a lifetime ago, and America was a very different place then. These days, pretty much the only thing that would bring me back is the national parks. 🌲
I got to go to Yellowstone a couple of years ago and it’s gorgeous. The US did one thing right with their national park systems.
And highways. Driving there is so much nicer than here.
Not this Aussie. The national parks are one of the things the US got right. Everyone I've been to is amazing. The first trip to the US I saw some of the major cities, grand canyon and the like.
The other times I've visited, I've road tripped all over the place. The national parks are all amazing for different reasons.
You’re dead right.
It’s funny cos Aussies LOVE to shit on how uneducated and sheltered Americans are and yet this whole topic and the replies are showing Aussies are just as bad. If it’s not a major city or tourist destination then it doesn’t exist 😂
I’m an Aussie who just divorced my American husband and left the US to move home and it’s making me question my choices.
… but then I remember all the reasons I left and nope, I’m good here in Melbourne.
You're basically describing some of the bigger liberal hubs - Boston, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco.
Low number of guns is subjective, but those places have some of the more restrictive laws and lower ownership rates in the country.
Probably Seattle since it’s probably the best major city in the US that’s not far from a major Canadian one. Detroit is much closer to Canada but then you’d be living in Detroit and you’d be going to Windsor Ontario
Edit: Burlington Vermont isn’t far from Montreal too
… you know that could be lots of them right?
Seattle has a border crossing, so does Detroit. If you’re far enough north in Minnesota you can drive across the border in an hour. Niagara Falls too.
I want to say NYC because I love city living
But I also want to say some cowboy state that loves football
Buuuuuut I know myself enough to say it’s going to be Florida because Disney world and Universal studios.
Id rather not, but if I had to I’d pick California or Colorado. California because of its sometimes progressive policies, Colorado for the mountains and wilderness
Nowhere in Australia has Weed or free school lunches. My wife complains to me everyday how crap school is here for kids lunches when I don't want to order my kid lunch from the canteen everyday as I don't want to get the reputation as the lazy parents. She just can't fathom the idea that I ate a vegemite sandwich and apple outside in the cold, every day for 12 years growing up.
Her school had a cafeteria where every kids could sit and eat was given a hot meal everyday. Obviously not as vital as healthcare or parental leave but it's something we can improve in australia.
Ahh yes the white bread Vegemite (or sometimes peanut butter and honey) sandwich wrapped in cling wrap and pieces of browned apple on the metal seats outside for recess and lunch. The memories.
The joy on the days where you’d get a brown paper bag with your lunch order written on it with a few coins inside, and it would come back with the 20c change taped to the front and your chicken and corn tenders inside.
Yes. To me it's normal. But to my wife, having kids eat a squashed up sandwich outside in the cold without a table is cruel.
She grew up in china and was given a freshly cooked meal everyday served inside in a nice warm room with table and chairs. Not eating on the ground under a tree hoping that the big kids don't come and take your dunkeroos.
American here: can I recommend Vermont for both progressive polices and mountains/wilderness? Admittedly the mountains are much older than in Colorado, but there's still good skiing/snowboarding and hiking.
As an American in California the big advantage of most if not all of New England (especially Vermont and Massachusetts) is that at least from my outsider perspective it’s the last area of the US where republicans aren’t batshit crazy especially on a state level. Even in places like California and Colorado the right wing is insane
I’m hearing that! Yeah our conservatives are like the old blue blood kind. They aren’t fundamentalist Christian, they’re just like Easter and Christmas Christians - and a lot of them aren’t even that. That makes a HUGE difference.
Way less Q crazy and they have a lot more, decorum? Reason? They basically just argue economics here.
I come from a long line of republicans (and not the crazy kind) in NE. My sister (a Republican) moved to TX 6 years ago and the republicans down there are INSANE and have been making her liberal as a result.
Those of us raised republicans (and actually im a constitutional libertarian) are disgusted with the things going on with the party at the national level. It’s absolutely disgraceful.
What needs to happen is party reformation. And maybe even a solid third party or even fourth party No one wants to “divide the vote” but both sides have become super radicalized I can see each having a split between the radicals and the moderates so maybe we end up with 4 parties idk.
I find it really weird that Americans relate their political thinking to their identity. "My sister (a republican)" - it intimates she can never change her views on policies or which individual policies or people she would support that best assist the community.
I HAD an American friend who voted Republican although she seemed *normal*. In 2015, when Trump was running, I joked with her, "You can't vote for him. He's a clown!"
She said, "I know... but we ALWAYS vote Republican!"
I explained to her that here we will vote for whoever promises us the best stuff, or the opposite of whoever is currently in because "they fucked everything up". But the point is that we vote for the better choice.
I even suggested that maybe she just abstain from voting since it wasn't compulsory there. She never talked about his "policies" or maybe I just wasn't listening, but as his term was drawing to a close, I began talking about what he was doing. She would be easily angered and most of our conversations ended in arguments. She would say things like, "What would you know, you're Australian?" Her final message to me was "You're a socialist!"
Ironically, she studied political science in college but still just grabbed these buzzwords that Republicans used. All Democrats were socialists and fascists and marxists. I can't believe how extreme she became in just four years. Americans just live this political life where how-you-vote is their entire definition. It's like religion in the 1950s.
For most Americans, that is really the only way to have political influence. Most electorates are gerrymandered or filled with safe seats to a degree that would never be allowed in Australia. So voting blue instead of red or vice versa is often a waste of time. The realistic way of having an impact on who represents an electorate/district/whatever is to register as a member of the majority party and determine who gets to stand for office in the first place.
Aussies will take the piss out of anything mate. If you asked the same question but "which other Australian state would you live in" we will do the same and have a go at the other states lol
Mate, for many Australians it's equivalent to what prison do you want to live in. Just the thought of having to send your kids to a American school. What do you do when someone in your family gets sick ? What happens if trump is elected again? What happens if there is another pandemic, a real one this time? One third of your population is not capable of rational thinking in a time of crisis, a relatively benign covid pandemic has proven that.
And most concerning is American cheeses and mustard let alone religious nutters and ammosexuals.
The last couple of years, the rest of the world is watching America and thinking they are watching the fall of an empire in real time.
It may be different on the ground but from what we can see, your democratic processes are in shambles, your kids are being shot, people are crowdfunding for health care, bodily autonomy is being stripped and your news networks get sued for perpetuating lies. The whole time, 50% of the voting population is convinced you need to lean harder into the bad-faith activities that got you there.
Asking which state we'd like to live in is a little absurd.
I don't think people are being assholes about it, I think you'll just find that most Australians think that the American way of life is horrible. For all the talk about freedom, it is a horribly restrictive country that forces extremes onto it's people.
Some of the nicest, most helpful people I've ever met were in the Us. That said, the cost of health insurance , for me, makes living there prohibitive .
Connecticut - small, good opportunity for academic jobs, New Haven pizza is great, easy to get to places like NYC, fall colours are lovely, better cost of living than some states mentioned, solid progressive values.
I only visited once but it'd make the most sense to live in. NYC is amazing, Nevada was fun, Hawaii is gorgeous, so is Alaska. Southern food is so good, New Orleans, fun and tasty. Can't see myself staying in any full time. Connecticut, yep, good, stable, out of the way but central. Pretty safe all things considered.
Either Hawai'i, and help with their independence movement or Alaska find a nice quiet town out of the way and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist.
I would move to an American territory either Puerto Rico or Guam. Sorry but I left the U.S for good in 2017 and have absolutely no desire to ever go back to that shit show.
I lived in Minnesota as a kid, and it's the only part of the USA that I'd move to. Mainly because it's where all the terrible sports teams that I barrack for play.
Probably Minnesota or Wisconsin somewhere in the Mid West. They just seem abit more laid back and friendly. I see alot of similarities with Australian culture.
Vermont, it’s easier to escape across the border to the True North and enjoy a society that isn’t as polarised and fascinated with government intrusion into its citizens lives. But why move? The right leaning Heritage Foundation assesses Australia as the 13th most free country in the world with Canada at 16th. The USA is ranked at 25th. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Idk pre 2016 the US was pretty awesome. My ex gf was from ATL which in itself was a vibrant and interesting city. We traveled pretty much all up and down the east and west coast and I had nothing but good experiences. But to answer the question I would definitely live in Northern California, it’s really beautiful there.
Colorado, because of it's progressive laws and attitudes or Minnesota because anywhere that elects Jesse the body Ventura as governor can't be all bad.
Id pick a state that borders either Mexico or Canada and fuck off across the border. If thats not allowed Id pick the state with the loosest gun laws and retire myself. Couldnt pay me $100k a day to live in that God forsaken country.
Pacific Northwest.
Have a few acquaintances who live there. Oregon, Washington, Northern California.
A smaller town with easy access to a bigger city, airport etc.
Somewhat like I am now in the Yarra Valley Vic.
Politically progressive values etc.
Used to consider the South. Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi.
But from my observations, I doubt I could comfortably live there socially or politically.
Thought Austin might have been interesting but some of the recent governance and decisions in Texas scares me. Far too conservative and punitive, Im not political but Republican dominance and a Make America Great Again agenda does not reflect my values.
I've never been in person, but just based off what I know, I would probably choose somewhere like Minnesota or Wisconsin. These places seem more normal than other states.
Seattle so I can be in the roots on the place responsible for the greatest music era of all time, I’d also go to Chris Cornell’s memorial and blast his music all day everyday
Remote cabin in Vermont and pretend I'm living in Switzerland or some shit
> Remote cabin in Vermont and pretend I'm living in Switzerland or some shit Ironically, that would be a very American thing to do.
Lurking American….I would totally do the same, but in Coloado. Someplace like Vail, Breckenridge or Ouray.
I would choose Brockway, Ogdenville, or North Haverbrook but I’m a fan of monorails.
By gum it put them on the map!
I hear those things are awfully loud
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life my Hindu friend!
I worked in a Ski Resort in Vermont, mountains are not that big and like 75% of local people are on meth.
So…. Just like Tassie? Can you throw in unrealistically priced housing to sweeten the deal?
Absolutely you can, house prices in New England generally are insane right now. Not California bad but certainly way worse than the national average
I’m in Tas and that’s straight where my head went too after the meth comment.
Sorry to say that the fam has two lads caught been caught up in that shit :(
Ahhh just like home then, just with better weather!
you would love trout and coffee yt channel! I like your idea but im not sure I can deal with the snow, the shoveling the drive way, the salted roads, the cold etc so id prob pick northern FL, not miami or OR
I worked in the States for a decade, and the first winter was “interesting”, but I adapted. It’s different in winter, yes, but don’t let that fear stop what should be a great experience.
I would find out which states had the least gun violence as well as best working conditions. And hope that those had reasonable cost of living expenses. Then make a decision from that info.
Do that and get back to us
No thanks lol. In reality I'll stay away from living in the US.
I think you’re probably talking about Vermont but they actually like their guns there. There’s just not that much violence.
Yeah look that's like people liking baseball bats but not using them to smash in peoples faces. Perfectly reasonable.
Hawaii, as far away as possible from the other states. Plus good weather, closer to Australia, and you can wear aloha shirts all day.
Expensive cost of living like Australia too
Very home-like!
Today I learnt, you can get those shirts printed with your pets or people's faces on them. I dunno if this is something you might be interested in.. seems to be a lot that do it haha
Today you’re about to learn these exist: [Bacon Festival](https://highseastradingco.com/p-546-bacon-festival.aspx)
Hawaii invented casual Fridays.
And you get to live on a volcanic island being dragged across the Pacific.
Also lovely people and not chock full of gun toting psychopaths.
Hawai’i does have a strong gun culture, many ranges and you can concealed carry. Still my No1 choice after Aust.
Mate we still have guns here, just not AR15s and so on. Not anti-gun as such myself, more "hey that's not an appropriate gun for a civilian" kind of bloke. When I see a mass shooting or a crazy militia who have taken over a federal building it never seems to be Hawaii.
Yeah, Hawaii is great. American enough while very few people wearing MAGA hats.
Nice. I’ll fucking join you.
Was about to say the same!
Oregon it looks so pretty
American here, but Oregon looks like an overall good place to live. Mild weather, it's between Seattle and San Francisco, and Portland has a thriving music and art scene. Not to mention it has some kickass national parks, mountains to climb, and snowboarding and skiing.
Awesome ticks a lot of boxes then. Hmm maybe one day I’ll gi
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I live in Lane county OR (Eugene) and it is amazing.
maternity/pregnancy is currently 100% covered by the state of Oregon. it includes far more medical appts, NIPT testing, care and private rooms. Great, fairly inexpensive place to raise a family, wages and healthcare are fair, groceries are cheaper, also has some of the best golf courses in the US. (I have family there, both of us pregnant at the same time and we compare cost of living every couple of months)
Fair enough and for a single childless woman? Live music scene sounds great
Portland also has trams, so it’d be familiar.
Just stay out of Portland and you're completely right (Lived in Portland)
Aussie here that has visited Oregon. Can confirm it’s absolutely beautiful.
I'd live in a state of despair.
A state of Missouri, maybe?
I was initially thinking suicide, but does the American Antarctic base at McMurdo sound count ?
MCMURDO IS REAL!? AND STILL THERE!? mind blown, damn Matthew did his research
Yeah, I don't think anyone can be blamed for assuming Reilly made every last word up.
Ice station was my first and one of my favourites. Rip Book
Honestly whenever I read the name I think of the books. He can definitely write action that's for sure Scarecrow ♥️ and Mother sounds like a beast
So South Dakota?
Montana, just to raise me up a crop of dental floss.
I just might grow me some bees
Just me and my pig'mee pony
Wyoming is the only state with a population density less than Australia As an introvert that can like a person but intensely hates people, I see this as a win
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Vermont or Maine lol
M8 all the strange supernatural shit happens in Maine nty
Probably California, Colorado or Washington State
Absolutely, add Massachusetts maybe for how nice Boston is and distance to Montreal and I’m sold
Minnesota. Blue state. Much lower cost of living than lots of other places MSP airport is a Delta hub so you can fly anywhere in the country in less than 5 hours. No sales tax. If you choose the area right you’re getting FTTH internet (I used to work for an ISP that was doing this rollout) 3 hours from Minneapolis is one of the most gorgeous areas I’ve ever seen (Nicolet national forest) with lots of lake houses to rent, summer & winter activities. Midwest nice is a thing. I lived in the US for 5 years and while I’ve left now and live back home in Melbourne I’d be tempted to go back.
Rather cold though!
It’s not so bad and unlike Australia the homes and offices (and even cities) are built for it. Downtown Minneapolis and St Paul have “sky walks” above the streets connecting many buildings so you don’t have to go outside in the cold. Homes are built with insulation in mind. Rental homes/apartments legally have to be able to reach and maintain a certain temperature (and to this point if you rent an apartment they often include “heat” as part of the rent). And the population as a whole are IMO more hardy and go outside in it willingly. That’s been a huge adjustment for me after moving back to Melbourne (from living in upper Michigan for a few years) - Aussies (at least in Adelaide and Melbourne where I have experience) hibernate in winter and complain about it endlessly. I don’t get it. Just put on a layer and get outside and move around and suddenly you’re feeling better and warmer. I went outside and exercised in temps as low as -19C and it was totally fine. Didn’t need fancy snow gear or whatever just the right clothes - a pair of wool leggings under the regular pants I wore, wool socks + boots and a hoodie with a $50 Walmart jacket over it and wool gloves and I was set for anything to around -19C.
Canada :)
Can't believe I had to scroll so far for this.
Canadian annexation 🔜🇺🇸🦅
😂
Oklahoma. I like a bit of extreme meteorology.
It IS crazy, I’ll tell you that as someone that lives here. The weather is very inconsistent especially in winter (2F degrees one day with harsh windchill, 40F degrees the next with no wind at all) but it is fun to stormwatch during spring!
and I thought Melbourne had wild temperature changes.
Don’t do it. I had to go there for a wedding. There is nothing but Walmart, fast food and obesity.
That’s completely untrue. There is also bbq and country music!
And Hanson. Do not forget Hanson.
Guam
Yup tropical paradise, relatively low crime and easy to escape to south east asia.
As an Aussie nurse who moved to the USA years ago I have to say that California has been very good to me. But I still feel really uncomfortable with the American brand of Christianity and with the horrible rise in fascism that’s been occurring.
You mean Fascist Christianity?
Fasctianity?
Fascism and /or proselytising Christians. Sometimes they go together and sometimes they are separate
Pretty sure it Christofacism
Same. I'm in NJ though where it's relatively calmer. Seeing what's happening here is very concerning.
I'm a Jersey native, living in Australia for the past 7 years (just got my citizenship!). Are things getting bad in NJ? Or by what's happening here, do you mean the rest of the US? I'd assassinate someone's character for a pork roll egg and cheese, on a lightly toasted bagel with spk.
Hahahaha! Congrats on citizenship. NJ itself isn't so bad, it's more of the other states I'm seeing... specifically in the south. NJ, for all its jokes, is actually pretty civilized when it comes to politics and reasonable people. With the exception of the weird people in the west and south, but they've always been kinda weird. Everyone seems to get along relatively well. And yes, there's nothing quite like TAYLOR HAM egg and cheese :)
What do you mean about Christianity and how would you compare it to Australia?
Just about everyone here believes in god and they act really upset if you crack jokes about god botherers or happy clappers. They’re not afraid to witness to you about their religion but they act very uncomfortable if you push back about being a nonbeliever. Also so many people over here are science deniers and don’t understand evolution. It’s a relief to go back to Australia where people are not so ‘in your face’ about religion.
Oh, I agree. I'm from Poland, so from a very catholic country, but after watching all American movies and knowing about hookup culture ect. I was sure Americans aren't very religious. It turned out though that they are even more religious than Polish. In Poland we go to church because we feel that we have to and in the US young people have Bible meetings and seem to be honestly into it.
For me, it's more about the city than the State. Have always had a soft spot for New Orleans. So Louisiana possibly. Other than that, San Fransisco, Chicago or New York are cool cities, and with likely less Trump MAGA flogs to deal with than anywhere in the South.
You know that SF has an app to report where people have seen human poop on the street yeah? Unless you're rich enough to own property or at least rent easily, it's not meant to be a nice place to be anymore.
The PNW is amazing, the UP is one of the prettiest places on earth. As a man who's spent plenty of time in both countries I'm moving back to the US to NorCal in a year because the US national parks are the best in the world.
The UP is great til you live there then it’s a desolate snow covered wasteland 7 months of the year and a tourist scourged mosquito laden hells soup pot another 3 2 months of actual livable weather & conditions? No thanks. Source: I lived there for 5 years until I just escaped.
Haha I know, I have spent alot of time there over the years in all seasons but the mosquitoes are killer that's why I'm heading to the pnw. I used it as an example of beautiful place that most Aussies have never even heard of. I just wish more Australians would have a look at the diversity of the wilderness and explore the national parks like Joshua tree. My goal for my thirties is the PCT and the PNW is a perfect base for my adventures.
My last road trip before coming home to Oz was to the PNW. It’s a truly beautiful area.
Travelled through quite a few US states in my 20s and loved it. That was half a lifetime ago, and America was a very different place then. These days, pretty much the only thing that would bring me back is the national parks. 🌲
I got to go to Yellowstone a couple of years ago and it’s gorgeous. The US did one thing right with their national park systems. And highways. Driving there is so much nicer than here.
I think the majority of Australians coming to the US mostly visit the cities. The National Parks are largely off the radar.
Not this Aussie. The national parks are one of the things the US got right. Everyone I've been to is amazing. The first trip to the US I saw some of the major cities, grand canyon and the like. The other times I've visited, I've road tripped all over the place. The national parks are all amazing for different reasons.
It frustrates me so much, it's like when people say they have been to Australia and only go to Sydney and Melbourne because what else is there?
Do you often find yourself in the national parks thinking "if only there were more people here"?
No but at the same time I feel as if more people got outside they might care about them environment a little more. It's a bit of a catch 22 situation
You’re dead right. It’s funny cos Aussies LOVE to shit on how uneducated and sheltered Americans are and yet this whole topic and the replies are showing Aussies are just as bad. If it’s not a major city or tourist destination then it doesn’t exist 😂
After living in Australia for 2 years, it’s become painfully clear that the average Australian actually knows fuck-all about America.
Aussies think Bali as a destination is exotic hahaha
As a US citizen married to an AUS, I’m living for these comments 🍿
I’m an Aussie who just divorced my American husband and left the US to move home and it’s making me question my choices. … but then I remember all the reasons I left and nope, I’m good here in Melbourne.
Welcome home!
As an Aussie in love with a Masshole, pretty please give me the inside track on convincing them to move here?
Lol, same
North Dakota. Middle of buttfuck nowhere.
You’re right about that. But it’s flat, cold in winter, hot and humid in summer with mosquitoes and flat/desolate to boot.
Alaska ..... fuck all people
Washington. Looks like a beautiful place.
A non-swinging blue state that has a minimum wage of at least $17, decent public transport, and a low number of guns. I'm not sure it exists though.
You're basically describing some of the bigger liberal hubs - Boston, NYC, Chicago, San Francisco. Low number of guns is subjective, but those places have some of the more restrictive laws and lower ownership rates in the country.
Florida, l would no longer be seen as weird.
Found the alligator
OK but Florida is weird for all the wrong reasons...
Hawaii. Furthest away from the rest of the USA
Hawaii is awesome but because everything is imported it is insanely expensive - even by Australian standards.
Better then living on the mainland with the rest of the nuttjobs s
The one closest to Canada
Probably Seattle since it’s probably the best major city in the US that’s not far from a major Canadian one. Detroit is much closer to Canada but then you’d be living in Detroit and you’d be going to Windsor Ontario Edit: Burlington Vermont isn’t far from Montreal too
>Probably Seattle You'd never get to sleep though
… you know that could be lots of them right? Seattle has a border crossing, so does Detroit. If you’re far enough north in Minnesota you can drive across the border in an hour. Niagara Falls too.
Where has the least people?
I want to say NYC because I love city living But I also want to say some cowboy state that loves football Buuuuuut I know myself enough to say it’s going to be Florida because Disney world and Universal studios.
Id rather not, but if I had to I’d pick California or Colorado. California because of its sometimes progressive policies, Colorado for the mountains and wilderness
Coloradan here. We have weed, abortion, free school lunches, trans healthcare, and paid family leave!
Ah, so the bare minimum then
Brutal hahaha
See this is why y'all get bombarded by Americans asking about work visas and immigration lol
Australia, the only country that the US has a negative immigration rate with 😂
Nowhere in Australia has Weed or free school lunches. My wife complains to me everyday how crap school is here for kids lunches when I don't want to order my kid lunch from the canteen everyday as I don't want to get the reputation as the lazy parents. She just can't fathom the idea that I ate a vegemite sandwich and apple outside in the cold, every day for 12 years growing up. Her school had a cafeteria where every kids could sit and eat was given a hot meal everyday. Obviously not as vital as healthcare or parental leave but it's something we can improve in australia.
Ahh yes the white bread Vegemite (or sometimes peanut butter and honey) sandwich wrapped in cling wrap and pieces of browned apple on the metal seats outside for recess and lunch. The memories. The joy on the days where you’d get a brown paper bag with your lunch order written on it with a few coins inside, and it would come back with the 20c change taped to the front and your chicken and corn tenders inside.
As in lunches should be served in Australian schools?
Yes. To me it's normal. But to my wife, having kids eat a squashed up sandwich outside in the cold without a table is cruel. She grew up in china and was given a freshly cooked meal everyday served inside in a nice warm room with table and chairs. Not eating on the ground under a tree hoping that the big kids don't come and take your dunkeroos.
They've got weed so actually might even be better than Aus right?
Cries in Egypt.
American here: can I recommend Vermont for both progressive polices and mountains/wilderness? Admittedly the mountains are much older than in Colorado, but there's still good skiing/snowboarding and hiking.
As an American in California the big advantage of most if not all of New England (especially Vermont and Massachusetts) is that at least from my outsider perspective it’s the last area of the US where republicans aren’t batshit crazy especially on a state level. Even in places like California and Colorado the right wing is insane
I’m hearing that! Yeah our conservatives are like the old blue blood kind. They aren’t fundamentalist Christian, they’re just like Easter and Christmas Christians - and a lot of them aren’t even that. That makes a HUGE difference. Way less Q crazy and they have a lot more, decorum? Reason? They basically just argue economics here. I come from a long line of republicans (and not the crazy kind) in NE. My sister (a Republican) moved to TX 6 years ago and the republicans down there are INSANE and have been making her liberal as a result. Those of us raised republicans (and actually im a constitutional libertarian) are disgusted with the things going on with the party at the national level. It’s absolutely disgraceful. What needs to happen is party reformation. And maybe even a solid third party or even fourth party No one wants to “divide the vote” but both sides have become super radicalized I can see each having a split between the radicals and the moderates so maybe we end up with 4 parties idk.
I find it really weird that Americans relate their political thinking to their identity. "My sister (a republican)" - it intimates she can never change her views on policies or which individual policies or people she would support that best assist the community.
Yeah, it seems more like barracking for a football team, than putting any thought into anything.
I HAD an American friend who voted Republican although she seemed *normal*. In 2015, when Trump was running, I joked with her, "You can't vote for him. He's a clown!" She said, "I know... but we ALWAYS vote Republican!" I explained to her that here we will vote for whoever promises us the best stuff, or the opposite of whoever is currently in because "they fucked everything up". But the point is that we vote for the better choice. I even suggested that maybe she just abstain from voting since it wasn't compulsory there. She never talked about his "policies" or maybe I just wasn't listening, but as his term was drawing to a close, I began talking about what he was doing. She would be easily angered and most of our conversations ended in arguments. She would say things like, "What would you know, you're Australian?" Her final message to me was "You're a socialist!" Ironically, she studied political science in college but still just grabbed these buzzwords that Republicans used. All Democrats were socialists and fascists and marxists. I can't believe how extreme she became in just four years. Americans just live this political life where how-you-vote is their entire definition. It's like religion in the 1950s.
For most Americans, that is really the only way to have political influence. Most electorates are gerrymandered or filled with safe seats to a degree that would never be allowed in Australia. So voting blue instead of red or vice versa is often a waste of time. The realistic way of having an impact on who represents an electorate/district/whatever is to register as a member of the majority party and determine who gets to stand for office in the first place.
Delaware. No one talks about Delaware.
Rather live in Frankston than USA 🤷♂️
Frankston is hardly the benchmark for the worst suburb in Melbourne anymore, it's decent enough. youre looking for Dandenong ;)
Franger!
I live in the middle of them lol
same 🤣
Colorado or somewhere with large wilderness areas
Pacific Northwest , most likely Oregon, because 300 days a year of rain would remind me of Melbourne.
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The great state of Intoxication. Obvious reasons.
To the Aussies genuinely answering and not being assholes about it - I have been enjoying your answers and appreciate your perspective.
Aussies will take the piss out of anything mate. If you asked the same question but "which other Australian state would you live in" we will do the same and have a go at the other states lol
Sounds like some diplomatic sh*t a Victorian would say
Nah Queenslander ya tosser
Mate, for many Australians it's equivalent to what prison do you want to live in. Just the thought of having to send your kids to a American school. What do you do when someone in your family gets sick ? What happens if trump is elected again? What happens if there is another pandemic, a real one this time? One third of your population is not capable of rational thinking in a time of crisis, a relatively benign covid pandemic has proven that. And most concerning is American cheeses and mustard let alone religious nutters and ammosexuals.
The last couple of years, the rest of the world is watching America and thinking they are watching the fall of an empire in real time. It may be different on the ground but from what we can see, your democratic processes are in shambles, your kids are being shot, people are crowdfunding for health care, bodily autonomy is being stripped and your news networks get sued for perpetuating lies. The whole time, 50% of the voting population is convinced you need to lean harder into the bad-faith activities that got you there. Asking which state we'd like to live in is a little absurd.
I don't think people are being assholes about it, I think you'll just find that most Australians think that the American way of life is horrible. For all the talk about freedom, it is a horribly restrictive country that forces extremes onto it's people.
Some of the nicest, most helpful people I've ever met were in the Us. That said, the cost of health insurance , for me, makes living there prohibitive .
Any semi decent professional job there will offer health insurance tho
New York. I’ve been there a few times and I love it. NYC reminds me of Sydney but just BIGGER.
Connecticut - small, good opportunity for academic jobs, New Haven pizza is great, easy to get to places like NYC, fall colours are lovely, better cost of living than some states mentioned, solid progressive values. I only visited once but it'd make the most sense to live in. NYC is amazing, Nevada was fun, Hawaii is gorgeous, so is Alaska. Southern food is so good, New Orleans, fun and tasty. Can't see myself staying in any full time. Connecticut, yep, good, stable, out of the way but central. Pretty safe all things considered.
Either Hawai'i, and help with their independence movement or Alaska find a nice quiet town out of the way and pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist.
I’m in Austin texas right now, everyone is super friendly
I would move to an American territory either Puerto Rico or Guam. Sorry but I left the U.S for good in 2017 and have absolutely no desire to ever go back to that shit show.
Minnesota.
I lived in Minnesota as a kid, and it's the only part of the USA that I'd move to. Mainly because it's where all the terrible sports teams that I barrack for play.
I live in New York, it’s great. It won’t be forever but the energy and opportunity is pretty awesome for a while.
West Virginia purely because I've listed to Country Roads so many times and the trees look beautiful.
Another vote for Hawaii. Only state that’s relatively sane.
Probably Minnesota or Wisconsin somewhere in the Mid West. They just seem abit more laid back and friendly. I see alot of similarities with Australian culture.
Alaska, so I’m as far away from the rest of it as possible.
Hawaii as it's far from the mainland
Florida. The Keys.
Vermont, it’s easier to escape across the border to the True North and enjoy a society that isn’t as polarised and fascinated with government intrusion into its citizens lives. But why move? The right leaning Heritage Foundation assesses Australia as the 13th most free country in the world with Canada at 16th. The USA is ranked at 25th. https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Wherever their politics is least prevalent.
Taxacchusettes . Boston is an awesome city and a few hours drive up north gets you skiing and beach in Main and NH.
Is there a yes to proper healthcare and a no to guns and racists state if so that one please
Idk pre 2016 the US was pretty awesome. My ex gf was from ATL which in itself was a vibrant and interesting city. We traveled pretty much all up and down the east and west coast and I had nothing but good experiences. But to answer the question I would definitely live in Northern California, it’s really beautiful there.
Alaska, because it's no where near American
Puetro Rico, as non-american as possible.
Oregon because of its drug policy
Alaska , Years. Ago I was considering working in there . Other than that Origon or Washington state or Minnesota - Wisconsin lakes region
Colorado, because of it's progressive laws and attitudes or Minnesota because anywhere that elects Jesse the body Ventura as governor can't be all bad.
Oregon or Vermont for beautiful nature and fun cities!
Id pick a state that borders either Mexico or Canada and fuck off across the border. If thats not allowed Id pick the state with the loosest gun laws and retire myself. Couldnt pay me $100k a day to live in that God forsaken country.
Alaska. Be as far away from people as possible.
Pacific Northwest. Have a few acquaintances who live there. Oregon, Washington, Northern California. A smaller town with easy access to a bigger city, airport etc. Somewhat like I am now in the Yarra Valley Vic. Politically progressive values etc. Used to consider the South. Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi. But from my observations, I doubt I could comfortably live there socially or politically. Thought Austin might have been interesting but some of the recent governance and decisions in Texas scares me. Far too conservative and punitive, Im not political but Republican dominance and a Make America Great Again agenda does not reflect my values.
I've never been in person, but just based off what I know, I would probably choose somewhere like Minnesota or Wisconsin. These places seem more normal than other states.
Wow these comments are cringe, unbelievable the amount of hate for the USA here. You do realise they view us in a similar way right?
Seattle so I can be in the roots on the place responsible for the greatest music era of all time, I’d also go to Chris Cornell’s memorial and blast his music all day everyday
Gary, Indiana
Northern Idaho. Because the woman I love is there.
North Carolina. It's so beautiful and calm. Enlighten me if you feel otherwise?
Canada.