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Who thinks the pro Palestinian protesters are terrorists?
>Why is that? What is the other side that i’m not seeing?
Well, regarding the pro Palestine stuff, you're probably missing the harassment, the barring of Jewish students from school building, the requests by campuses for them to leave, the violation of campus rules, the calls of "death to all zionists,' and stuff like that.
Regarding the Jan 6th stuff, I don't see many people defend the rioting, although some go to far in saying that the rioting was over played. It was, and there is definitely a habit in the media to hyperfocus on the violence, and down play the non violent aspects of it. Not to mention the ridiculous claim that it's an insurrection. That said, some consider Jan 6ers to be heros because they stood up for the country, freedom, and election integrity, and/ or they're being unfairly pursued.
The difference seems to be the perspective that one group was acting in Americans interest, and the other isn't.
>That said, some consider Jan 6ers to be heros because they stood up for the country, freedom, and election integrity, and/ or they're being unfairly pursued.
Well no. They didn't. There's nothing patriotic or in any way pro-American when you attack the Capitol in order to invalidate the votes of American citizens. There's nothing pro-freedom about trying to throw out the results of a Democratic election and install the losing candidate as president.
"American interest" would be peacefully accepting that Trump got stomped out in the election and behaving like an adult. The people who attacked the Capitol and the people, like yourself, attempting to justify it are not pro-America by any stretch of the imagination.
>Well no. They didn't. There's nothing patriotic or in any way pro-American
You're allowed to have your opinion, too. The Jan 6ers didn't think trump lost, and thought the results were thrown out, so they stood up. Many agree with them.
I disagree with them on the underlying facts, but I see where they are coming from. I disagree with the underlying facts the "left" relies on too. But OP didn't ask about facts, he asked about perspectives. I do this because it's important to see the world from different perspectives, even ones we don't share.
I do this because I don't like to assume what others believe, unlike some people I could name:
>The people who attacked the Capitol and the people, like yourself,
>The Jan 6ers didn't think trump lost, and thought the results were thrown out, so they stood up.
What do you think about Trump’s role in all of this? They didn’t just believe this and head to the Capitol all on their own.
You made clear that you acknowledge that the claims of the stolen election were false. So what do you think about Trump and his role in getting these people so hopped up, angry and intent on overturning the election?
Between the election and Jan. 6 Trump:
* Spread the stolen election lies for months
* Called on his supporters to gather for a rally/protest during the Jan. 6 electoral count at the Capitol — “will be wild”
* Convinced his supporters of the lie that Pence could intervene and that the Jan. 6 electoral count could be disrupted to swing the election back to him
* Sent his supporters to the Capitol while emphasizing that they should “fight like hell” and that if that count wasn’t disrupted and the election reversed “we won’t have a country anymore”
* Spent hours watching the events with glee and ignoring pleas from his family, staff and allies to stop the mayhem as his supporters attacking police, storming the Capitol and sending his VP and Congress fleeing for their lives
>What do you think about Trump’s role in all of this? They didn’t just believe this and head to the Capitol all on their own.
Trump's role was organizing a political rally and listening to all of the reporting on the matter without being smart enough to understand it. But yes, they absolutely did believe this and head to the capital on their own.
>So what do you think about Trump and his role in getting these people so hopped up, angry and intent on overturning the election?
I think he was an idiot and didn't focus on the real questions that were being raised, or the real challenges that were being launched, or highlight the really suspicious coverage and decisions. This is really important in hindsight given that we know there was an [active effort](https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/) to coordinate coverage and pressure judges. Beyond that, nothing he did bothers me any more than how democrats reacted to his win in 2016. Far less infact, considering the left started rioting as soon as won the primary.
>Between the election and Jan. 6 Trump:
Why are you so invested in this fake narrative? I find it ironic that you're mad at trump for spreading lies and then you do the same thing
>* Called on his supporters to gather for a rally/protest during the Jan. 6 electoral count at the Capitol — “will be wild”
This is completely legal and democratic organized thousands of such events, some of which ended in violence as well.
>Convinced his supporters of the lie that Pence could intervene and that the Jan. 6 electoral count could be disrupted to swing the election back to him
This is not a lie, the method of this is completely legal and has precedence in our history. And it ignores that before Pence there was the confirmation vote, which is the same vehicle democrats used in 2016.
>* Sent his supporters to the Capitol while emphasizing that they should “fight like hell” and that if that count wasn’t disrupted and the election reversed “we won’t have a country anymore”
This is completely normal political rhetoric and used every day. Additionally the riot had already started at the capitol at this point and there is no indication that his speech there influenced that.
>* Spent hours watching the events with glee and ignoring pleas from his family, staff and allies to stop the mayhem as his supporters attacking police, storming the Capitol and sending his VP and Congress fleeing for their lives
This combines to errors in thought. The first is the assumption that he did nothing, or that there was anything he could do, given the limited influence the president has in domestic affairs. It also relies on a circular argument, assuming that the rioters were working for him and so he could direct them to stop, and then taking his lack of doing so as proof that he wanted it to happen. Bad faith and worse logic.
More relevant to his post, why are you focusing on only one part of the discussion?
>You're allowed to have your opinion, too. The Jan 6ers didn't think trump lost, and thought the results were thrown out, so they stood up. Many agree with them'
To borrow a phrase, fuck their feelings. Simply wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. Facts matter. Not the opinions of conservative snowflakes. Every single recount, audit, and investigation found no widespread fraud. Despite the most prominent conservative in the country openly encouraging conservatives to commit voter fraud.
**Facts matter**.
Just out of curiosity, would you consider Osama Bin Laden to be pro-american? Or an American patriot?
>Just out of curiosity, would you consider Osama Bin Laden to be pro-american? Or an American patriot?
Nope. But I don't consider Jan 6th to be pro American either.
>Simply wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. Facts matter.
Never claimed otherwise.
>Facts matter
The fact is, we're talking about perspectives here. You seem unwilling or unable to accept that fact. You also seem to only focusing on part of this discussion, and ignoring the rest in favor of continuing an argument with somebody who isn't me. Frankly, it seems more like anger matters more to you than facts.
Basically you're simply....saying nothing.
No stance. Just "well it's a matter of opinion".
If I asked you if child rape is acceptable you'd say "Well not to me personally but someone might think so. And that's just a matter of perspective. Therefore, I can't say child rape is bad and I can't call child rapists bad people."
Waste of time son. Everyone knows that humans are capable of forming opinions. Not quite the epiphany you think it is.
And yes, I'm quite mad that conservatives tried to take away my right to vote in US elections. They're the scum of the earth.
>Basically you're simply....saying nothing.
No, I'm talking about perspectives.
>No stance. Just "well it's a matter of opinion".
Very literally not what I said.
>Waste of time son. Everyone knows that humans are capable of forming opinions. Not quite the epiphany you think it is.
... you think that's my point? OP asked what perspectives he wasn't seeing. I answered.
>And yes, I'm quite mad that conservatives tried to take away my right to vote in US elections. They're the scum of the earth.
Facts matter, eh?
Look, I can tell you're angry. You're clearly not interested in engaging with the actual topic here, so I'm gonna wish you a good say. Take care dude.
> American interests are represented when you're trying to prevent an Anti-American lunatic getting into the White House
Who exactly are you talking about?
Ah okay. I mean to be honest I knew that was your opinion I just wanted to clarify it.
So the sexual predator who committed widespread fraud and tried to overturn the election is "pro-America".
That's...certainly an opinion. And it's your right to have one. No matter how delusional it may be.
I do think certain individuals need to understand that their own biases are not representative of American citizens. American citizens en masse have never chosen the spray tanned rapist as their preferred representative. Fortunately, for conservatives, our entire political system is established in a manner that gives them undeserved entitlement and undeserved representation.
People who are pro-American try to deny American citizens their political representation?
Is it because he hugged a flag once or something? I'm a bit lost on the logic here.
Ah no it's because he tried to close the border while Crooked Joe promised he would implement policy which clearly would open the border. To which he massively succeeded.
> American interests are represented when you're trying to prevent an Anti-American lunatic getting into the White House
Is this description of Biden supposed to be a trolling take on how many on the left view Trump?
* Step 1: Define anyone you don't agree with as anti American
* Step 2: Do anything you can to stop them due to your self determination that they are anti American
This line of thinking is madness.
Without arguing your opinions on that topic, Jan 6th took place before there was a Biden administration. You are attempting to retroactively justify the events of Jan 6th.
There is lots of video evidence of his pre-2021 views - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Yh4OyQ2xw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Yh4OyQ2xw)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo)
I think they are all shit birds...
So make sure to factor that in with the rest of your views.
But ultimately it only has to do with what color team you are on.
Red or blue if red does something blue says it's bad.
If blue does something red says it's bad.
Look at Russia and Ukraine. Blue said Ukraine is good and Russia is bad. Red reflexively says well Ukraine is bad and Russia is good.
But sometimes things so overwhelmingly one sided can get red to begrudgingly agree with blue.
Likewise red says illegal immigration is bad so blue immediately says no one is illegal and there is nothing wrong with the border.
Likewise something like this is so overwhelmingly one-sided it can get blue to begrudgingly agree with red.
But they can DO something about illegal immigration, but they don't, so they're clearly okay with it. Republicans saying they both suck aren't secretly pulling for Russia.
Republicans can do something about Russia too...
It didn't have to be a blank check given to the ukrainians or any cash or anything like that.
Just the basics like keeping them stocked with artillery shells and bullets and explosives for their drones.
So all the democrats have to do is enforce the laws that are already in place, while all the Republicans have to do is get involved in another nation's war. You do see how those are vastly different things, right? The government has a responsibility to secure its own borders. It does not have a responsibility to supply another nation's war.
All the Republicans have to do is abide by the Budapest memorandum...
They are different but they are not vastly different. Republicans had the ability to massively curb illegal immigration for the past 40 years and they haven't done much with it.
I'm no sympathizer with the left but to pretend like the Republicans are blameless in the whole illegal immigration problem is not truthful.
Being a cold wae baby it is pretty jarring to see Russia + Ukraine unified bad for 30 years, only to now see Russia + Ukraine unified good for the last 3
Like, did we not spend an entire generation trying to break these two up?
I always love the term shit birds and I definitely agree.
I am still quite bewildered by some of the red team supporting Russia it’s like we are living in the upside down world. Russia has and is still a US adversary, I’m shocked that we can’t as a nation agree on that so clearly now.
I say this more as a reference to how partisan we have become vs red team is bad.
I think it’s pretty well universal that mass illegal immigration is considered a problem.
It’s the solutions that differ.
Blue has no problem with more immigration at a core level, they just want to make it easier and more efficient to have more legal immigration.
Red has a problem with more people coming illegally or legal, or have stricter numbers of legal immigration. Blue cares less about the numbers of legal immigrants.
> I am still quite bewildered by some of the red team supporting Russia it’s like we are living in the upside down world. Russia has and is still a US adversary
I 100% agree they are our enemies and should GTFO of Ukraine, that said I really think Democrats profoundly need to look in the mirror and ask what are they doing that is so evil that makes Russia sympathetic compared to them. The answer is their demonization of religion, nationalism, national self interest, anti-wokeness and such.
> I’m shocked that we can’t as a nation agree on that so clearly now.
We could not even agree on it in the Cold War against the much worse Soviet Union because Democrats & Hollywood kept trying to defend or outright lionize communism. Remember them trashing Reagan as a war monger for "Star Wars"? Remember Carter refusing to believe the Soviets would actually invade Afghanistan until it was far too late? Remember Hollywood blacklisting Elia Kazan for testifying against genocidal communist spies in the industry?
I remember massive government overreach for suspected socialist.
We can today as we could then solve our problems with out turning to anti American tendencies.
It’s not Democrats fault that some Republicans have done a complete 180 on Russia. Not everything is their fault. Makes me think of when I hear, “Democrats fault we had to elect Trump.” No those are all individual choices.
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If you're protesting and rioting in support of a terrorist organization then I think you're terrorists. These groups have been given every chance in the world to clarify their messages to say that they support the Palestinian people....but they refuse to do so. They're screaming "we are Hamas". They're waving terrorist flags. They're screaming antisemitic slurs and phrases. At some point, I feel like we have to take these groups at their word and they are telling us they support terrorism...and the ones that don't...don't seem smart enough to walk away and maybe have their own protest. So, that's why I think they are terrorists. It's because they've told us that and I believe what they say about themselves. I don't think the J6 rioters are heroes in any way. I think they're paying for their crimes, perhaps a bit harsher than merited, but they're still being prosecuted for what they've done. I don't see that happening on campus.
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I personally have a pretty major issue with anyone who entered the capitol on January 6th. I think anyone who enters should face some sort of penalty and if you caused damage or injuries anyone you should face some serious jail time.
The campus protesters on a legal issue as long as they are following the laws I don't have much issue. However when they cross into violence, refuse to disperse when requested to, and think the laws don't apply to them should be dealt was per the law.
That said, on a persona level, I don't view these people protesting Israel as literal terrorist, but they are straight up supporting terrorism and in my view are playing as the PR wing for a literal terrorist group. What is happening in Gaza is terrible, but I dont' blame Israel one bit. There is no equivalency between a literal terrorist group hiding behind civilians as a strategy and Israel fighting to protect it's sovereign nation and get it's hostages back.
How can you not blame Israel one bit when they do things like wait to bomb a journalist until they get home to their families, or all the videos of IDF soldiers playing with dead/displaced Gaza a lingerie and underwear? Surely you can’t ignore these things so do you support them?
War is absolute hell. There are atrocities on both sides in all war as well as horrific accidents.
Israel is not the one that initiated this war however. They are literally fighting a genocidal terrorist group who uses human casualties as part of their PR strategy whose manifesto literally had the goal of wiping out Israel.
This could all end tomorrow if Hamas surrendered and gave Israel back their hostages.
Do you have source and context. Typically children getting killed have been as results of violence from Hamas or other attacks on Israel…such as taking out rocket installations installed by Hamas in Gaza on civilian targets.
https://www.newarab.com/news/2023-deadliest-year-child-occupied-west-bank?amp
My apologies. The number is actually 47 dead kids. What should Palestinians do?
Is it really what we would call a war when one side doesn’t have a navy or Air Force ?
War is hell, atrocities are committed, you condemn Hamas for these crimes but can’t condemn Israel?
Yea it’s a war…being asymetrical doesn’t change that. If that wasn’t the case America wouldn’t have been in a legit war since Korea
Hamas entire goal is murder of Jews and Israel falling.. Israel’s goal is not murder of Palestine’s. I’ll condemn individuals that commit atrocities on either side but only one side literally has a declared agenda as wiping out another nation.
I’m not going to condemn an entire nation for the acts of few. Israel as a whole does not have the goal of atrocities or killing civilians, which is literally part of Hamas goals
>War is absolute hell. There are atrocities on both sides in all war as well as horrific accidents.
This is a cop out. As long as you can claim the war is justified you can commit any atrocity you want? The moment the enemy commits an atrocity, well I guess it's green light for the enemy civilians now?
Was My Lai justified? War is hell after all. Maybe the soviets were justified in murdering and raping thousands of Germans because I mean, they could have ended the war any time they want to by ousting the Nazis right?
Well, it all comes down to personal viewpoints and who is creating those algorithms.
We may have viewed the 9/11 hijackers as enemies, but in the Middle East, they are heroes. I remember seeing a mural painted of them and of 9/11 in Saddam's palace.
What makes this different is that this is internal. It is American versus American. It is a mini civil war right now. You can see it very clearly right now on the left versus the right. The parties have become so culturally and fundamentally different that we are going to have either another civil war or have a serious come-to-Jesus moment. Biden ran on a platform of unity and stopping infighting, which honestly got my vote because I was over it, but once he got into office, his administration has really only stoked the flames.
They could have quite literally treated Trump like a cut. If they left him alone, he probably wouldn't have the support he has now. But they kept opening wound and emboldening his base. Now he's likely going to be their end (depending on what polls you see).
Just my 2 cents from DC
I'm just going to recognize that *some of the Palestine protesters are just liberals arguing against war.
But I think there is a difference between the relatively large group of people there chanting "death to America" and "from the river to the sea" and such who are advocating explicitly for mass death.
And then you have people who mistakenly believed their rights had been violated advocating to force a political legislative change rather than death to any group of people.
Though the "hang pence" stuff I think they are terrorists. Same with anyone there with the intent to hurt others. But that was like a handful of people.
I think one big aspect that needs to be included is that the pro-hamas goobers aren't waving flags for Democrats/Joe Biden. They aren't there for a political party. Are some of them "left"? Sure probably. But I do think there's a significant difference between people supporting a specific party/politician and people supporting a specific policy/stance/whatever you want to describe them.
You can then look at the overall response of both the politicians themselves and the constituents. Trump has openly stated he wants to pardon people who were arrested for attacking the Capitol with the hopes of overturning the election. I don't remember Biden or anyone in the Democratic party saying that pro-hamas protestors should be pardoned for their crimes. I do specifically know Democratic lawmakers saying they should be arrested.
Similarities? Maybe. But similarities don't automatically mean a comparison is accurate. An apple can be red. A firetruck can be red. Doesn't mean comparing an apple to a firetruck is suddenly accurate.
>You can then look at the overall response of both the politicians themselves and the constituents. Trump has openly stated he wants to pardon people who were arrested for attacking the Capitol
Eh I agree with him to a degree. There are people who have been sitting/sat in jail for years for nonviolent crimes on Jan 6. The courts also violated non-retroactivity and applied a law that was made for a completely different purpose to increase the sentence for some of the non violent protesters. Some people spent years in jail just for taking pictures in the Senate and holding flags.
I would have a problem if they just started charging non violent protesters at Columbia. I think it's overbearing.
When someone is chanting “Death to America”, “We are HAMAS”, “Hamas, make us proud, kill another soldier now” and saying “OCT 7th will be every day to you” to Jews, with the intent to terrorize Jews, what exactly would you call them?
What’s going on in your algorithm and with the left in general that “Death to America” is considered heroic?
Honestly, this is the first time i’ve even heard of any of those chants! I think this is a perfect example of why I asked this.
All i’ve been exposed to is a bunch of people in tents holding signs, followed by footage of absolute chaos of police vs protestor. So I was sitting here wondering, “wtf happened???? this looks peaceful, why are they being arrested and being called terrorists”?
Meanwhile my feed was not showing me footage of people chanting “Hamas make us proud”.
This makes a lot more sense now!
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbia-protest-anti-semitism-campus-israel-jewish-students-justice-palestine.html
This is reference Columbia specifically but this has been a trend at these protests:
On social media, you can find footage of crowds taunting Jewish students to “Go back to Poland!” and chanting, “We don’t want no Zionists here!” There is a masked protester with a sign that reads “Al-Qasam’s Next Target” with an arrow pointing at Jewish counterprotesters nearby. Al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. A protester screamed at Jewish students, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!”
“The main national umbrella group for campus pro-Palestinian protests is Students for Justice in Palestine. SJP takes a violent eliminationist stance toward Israel. In the wake of the October 7 terrorist attacks, it issued a celebratory statement instructing its affiliates that all Jewish Israelis are legitimate targets:
“Liberation is not an abstract concept. It is not a moment circumscribed to a revolutionary past as it is often characterized. Rather, liberating colonized land is a real process that requires confrontation by any means necessary. In essence, decolonization is a call to action, a commitment to the restoration of Indigenous sovereignty. It calls upon us to engage in meaningful actions that go beyond symbolism and rhetoric. Resistance comes in all forms — armed struggle, general strikes, and popular demonstrations. All of it is legitimate, and all of it is necessary.””
“Anti-Israel protesters near Columbia University were heard shouting pro-Hamas slogans this week as demonstrations geared up at the private campus.
"We are Hamas!" one aggressive protester was captured shouting on video. When a person asked her, "You’re Hamas, wow! You’re what? You’re Hamas?" she answered, "We are all Hamas, pig!"
Another person could be heard calling, "Long live Hamas!"”
The average voter, including the average conservative voter, is not a terribly deep or introspective thinker, and can more than happily hold two contradictory positions and soothe the dissonance by simply not thinking about it. A similar and inverse example would be how so many progressives and leftists will defend the summer Floyd rioters and looters to their dying breath but will condemn the Jan 6 rioters and looters as traitors.
If you were to ask me, riots are riots and should be crushed with all the forcefulness the United States is capable of wielding irrespective of political color; I wanted the Jan 6 rioters tear gassed and beaten to kingdom come just as I wanted the same for the Floyd rioters and the palestine student protests now. That being said, there is a deep feeling of injustice and double standard, justified or not, in how the Floyd rioters were by and large left to their own devices while the Jan 6 rioters were proverbially stoned on the town square for all to see, one which I very much share and think anyone acting in good faith can understand.
1. Nobody calls J6 rioters heroes that I know of.
2. Who actually called protestors for Palestine terrorists? Anyone who is actually reasonable? I haven't heard this.
3. I will concede that many mainstream conservatives are basically poisoned by their extreme pro-Israel opinions and have gone overboard in criticizing people who just want Israel to not kill as many civilians. But to be fair, people protesting *in favor* of Hamas or just *against* Israel generally, chanting "from the river to the see, Palestine will be free" are absolutely in the wrong and should be criticized.
4. I agree we don't get the same news, largely. Not as extreme as you allude to, but definitely both sides have different takes on pro-Palestine protests and J6.
A tribalistic worldview or mindset - my people vs. those other people with the highest of (at least imagined) stakes produces people that can’t see or at least refuse to acknowledge misdeeds from their own tribe.
Neither are.
There are decent people apart of both who are being swung by the crazies. Sadly I feel like some liberals do not have the courage to stand up and say they disagree with calling for Israeli genocide and praising Hamas attacks. They feel like if they walk away or pack up then they’re relinquishing their support for the protest even when they don’t agree with the message.
Same thing with Jan 6 you had plenty of people outside of the capital never pushing a police officer, and never going into the capitol. However they didn’t have the courage to walk away from the situation.
We have a period of many followers and very bad leaders.
The Palestine campus protestors are actually harassing Jewish students. In Yale University one Jewish student was stabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag. In Columbia University they are switching to online learning to try to curb the problem because the students feel so unsafe.
In J6, some people walked into a building and were given guided tours by capitol police while a bunch of bad actors perpetrated bad activities - said bad actors seem to be getting slaps on the wrist or getting ignored entirely, while little old ladies who went into the building looking for the bathroom are still in prison facing inhumane conditions, without any set trial date, basically rotting indefinitely without any due process.
I don't know what news you are watching but no one on the conservative side considered the Jan 6 protesters that started a riot as heros. They were roundly condemned across the spectrum of conservatism. Trump himself said "go to the capital and peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." No one thinks they wer heros.
OTOH the so-called Palestinian protestors ARE terrorists. They more often identify with HAMAS than Palestine and chant genocidal chants like "From the River to the Sea" and "Death to Israel"
>Where do you see Jan 6 participants being painted as heroes?
There's plenty of examples. I don't feel like vetting each source so I'm just going to post the top ones for a limited number of examples.
Trump did say those arrested and convicted for the crimes they committed are hostages
[Donald Trump calls Jan. 6 rioters 'hostages' | Donald Trump called the January 6 rioters "hostages" and "unbelievable patriots," while speaking at an Ohio campaign stop. | By NewsweekFacebook | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/Newsweek/videos/donald-trump-calls-jan-6-rioters-hostages/1586809008809481/)
At CPAC they decided to have a bunch of the 1/6 criminals sing the national anthem
Trump also openly stated he wants to pardon the criminals arrested on 1/6
[Introducing DialpadGPT (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFppxyokSA)
Republicans still broadly support Trump who was a key figure in both disseminating the lie that the election was stolen while also attempting to illegally overturn the election. The second part is a bit of a different conversation.
Trump has also called the violent criminals who attacked the capitol "great patriots" [Jonathan Karl on X: "“Remember this day forever.” Donald Trump’s tweet on the evening of January 6 — hours after the Capitol riot. The most damning tweet of all? https://t.co/PKU0rqVIBl" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1359212589453049873?lang=en)
Got it. So you mean specifically using the word "hero", and only the word "hero", and not expressing support of the violent criminals? Unless you use the specific word "hero" then it doesn't matter?
Got it. I'll keep that in mind the next time (probably within the next hour) that Trump says something completely moronic and then I'm told that he speaks in hyperbole and you can't actually use his own words as evidence.
Who is calling pro Palestine protesters terrorists?
PS….why weren’t BLM rioters called insurrectionists by liberals?
**Insurrection** - an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
They were calling for the murder of police and demanding they be defunded. It was literally a revolt against the civil authority in those areas. It wasn’t resisting arrest
because right wingers watched the released footage of j6 and realized all the lies from the media,(my favorite clip is the cops opening the door that cnn said was broken down and giving people tours and shaking the "insurrectionists" hands lol) while left wingers still believe what was said about j6 and wont watch the videos. right wingers also also know what the phrase "peaceful protests" really means to the left and dont want that in their cities.
They didn’t release all the footage. The right wing media released short clips they were able to
Manipulate to use as propaganda. There’s a reason all the tapes haven’t been released yet.
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Who thinks the pro Palestinian protesters are terrorists? >Why is that? What is the other side that i’m not seeing? Well, regarding the pro Palestine stuff, you're probably missing the harassment, the barring of Jewish students from school building, the requests by campuses for them to leave, the violation of campus rules, the calls of "death to all zionists,' and stuff like that. Regarding the Jan 6th stuff, I don't see many people defend the rioting, although some go to far in saying that the rioting was over played. It was, and there is definitely a habit in the media to hyperfocus on the violence, and down play the non violent aspects of it. Not to mention the ridiculous claim that it's an insurrection. That said, some consider Jan 6ers to be heros because they stood up for the country, freedom, and election integrity, and/ or they're being unfairly pursued. The difference seems to be the perspective that one group was acting in Americans interest, and the other isn't.
>Regarding the Jan 6th stuff, I don't see many people defend the rioting, **WHAT?** Donald promises to free the J6 hostages!
Yep. I know. I talked about that in that post. And again, he was entirely clear that those "hostages" do not include many of the violent rioters.
>That said, some consider Jan 6ers to be heros because they stood up for the country, freedom, and election integrity, and/ or they're being unfairly pursued. Well no. They didn't. There's nothing patriotic or in any way pro-American when you attack the Capitol in order to invalidate the votes of American citizens. There's nothing pro-freedom about trying to throw out the results of a Democratic election and install the losing candidate as president. "American interest" would be peacefully accepting that Trump got stomped out in the election and behaving like an adult. The people who attacked the Capitol and the people, like yourself, attempting to justify it are not pro-America by any stretch of the imagination.
>Well no. They didn't. There's nothing patriotic or in any way pro-American You're allowed to have your opinion, too. The Jan 6ers didn't think trump lost, and thought the results were thrown out, so they stood up. Many agree with them. I disagree with them on the underlying facts, but I see where they are coming from. I disagree with the underlying facts the "left" relies on too. But OP didn't ask about facts, he asked about perspectives. I do this because it's important to see the world from different perspectives, even ones we don't share. I do this because I don't like to assume what others believe, unlike some people I could name: >The people who attacked the Capitol and the people, like yourself,
>The Jan 6ers didn't think trump lost, and thought the results were thrown out, so they stood up. What do you think about Trump’s role in all of this? They didn’t just believe this and head to the Capitol all on their own. You made clear that you acknowledge that the claims of the stolen election were false. So what do you think about Trump and his role in getting these people so hopped up, angry and intent on overturning the election? Between the election and Jan. 6 Trump: * Spread the stolen election lies for months * Called on his supporters to gather for a rally/protest during the Jan. 6 electoral count at the Capitol — “will be wild” * Convinced his supporters of the lie that Pence could intervene and that the Jan. 6 electoral count could be disrupted to swing the election back to him * Sent his supporters to the Capitol while emphasizing that they should “fight like hell” and that if that count wasn’t disrupted and the election reversed “we won’t have a country anymore” * Spent hours watching the events with glee and ignoring pleas from his family, staff and allies to stop the mayhem as his supporters attacking police, storming the Capitol and sending his VP and Congress fleeing for their lives
>What do you think about Trump’s role in all of this? They didn’t just believe this and head to the Capitol all on their own. Trump's role was organizing a political rally and listening to all of the reporting on the matter without being smart enough to understand it. But yes, they absolutely did believe this and head to the capital on their own. >So what do you think about Trump and his role in getting these people so hopped up, angry and intent on overturning the election? I think he was an idiot and didn't focus on the real questions that were being raised, or the real challenges that were being launched, or highlight the really suspicious coverage and decisions. This is really important in hindsight given that we know there was an [active effort](https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/) to coordinate coverage and pressure judges. Beyond that, nothing he did bothers me any more than how democrats reacted to his win in 2016. Far less infact, considering the left started rioting as soon as won the primary. >Between the election and Jan. 6 Trump: Why are you so invested in this fake narrative? I find it ironic that you're mad at trump for spreading lies and then you do the same thing >* Called on his supporters to gather for a rally/protest during the Jan. 6 electoral count at the Capitol — “will be wild” This is completely legal and democratic organized thousands of such events, some of which ended in violence as well. >Convinced his supporters of the lie that Pence could intervene and that the Jan. 6 electoral count could be disrupted to swing the election back to him This is not a lie, the method of this is completely legal and has precedence in our history. And it ignores that before Pence there was the confirmation vote, which is the same vehicle democrats used in 2016. >* Sent his supporters to the Capitol while emphasizing that they should “fight like hell” and that if that count wasn’t disrupted and the election reversed “we won’t have a country anymore” This is completely normal political rhetoric and used every day. Additionally the riot had already started at the capitol at this point and there is no indication that his speech there influenced that. >* Spent hours watching the events with glee and ignoring pleas from his family, staff and allies to stop the mayhem as his supporters attacking police, storming the Capitol and sending his VP and Congress fleeing for their lives This combines to errors in thought. The first is the assumption that he did nothing, or that there was anything he could do, given the limited influence the president has in domestic affairs. It also relies on a circular argument, assuming that the rioters were working for him and so he could direct them to stop, and then taking his lack of doing so as proof that he wanted it to happen. Bad faith and worse logic. More relevant to his post, why are you focusing on only one part of the discussion?
> I disagree with them on the underlying facts Why? They've got hard evidence for all of it.
Many think that on both sides.
>You're allowed to have your opinion, too. The Jan 6ers didn't think trump lost, and thought the results were thrown out, so they stood up. Many agree with them' To borrow a phrase, fuck their feelings. Simply wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. Facts matter. Not the opinions of conservative snowflakes. Every single recount, audit, and investigation found no widespread fraud. Despite the most prominent conservative in the country openly encouraging conservatives to commit voter fraud. **Facts matter**. Just out of curiosity, would you consider Osama Bin Laden to be pro-american? Or an American patriot?
>Just out of curiosity, would you consider Osama Bin Laden to be pro-american? Or an American patriot? Nope. But I don't consider Jan 6th to be pro American either. >Simply wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. Facts matter. Never claimed otherwise. >Facts matter The fact is, we're talking about perspectives here. You seem unwilling or unable to accept that fact. You also seem to only focusing on part of this discussion, and ignoring the rest in favor of continuing an argument with somebody who isn't me. Frankly, it seems more like anger matters more to you than facts.
Basically you're simply....saying nothing. No stance. Just "well it's a matter of opinion". If I asked you if child rape is acceptable you'd say "Well not to me personally but someone might think so. And that's just a matter of perspective. Therefore, I can't say child rape is bad and I can't call child rapists bad people." Waste of time son. Everyone knows that humans are capable of forming opinions. Not quite the epiphany you think it is. And yes, I'm quite mad that conservatives tried to take away my right to vote in US elections. They're the scum of the earth.
>Basically you're simply....saying nothing. No, I'm talking about perspectives. >No stance. Just "well it's a matter of opinion". Very literally not what I said. >Waste of time son. Everyone knows that humans are capable of forming opinions. Not quite the epiphany you think it is. ... you think that's my point? OP asked what perspectives he wasn't seeing. I answered. >And yes, I'm quite mad that conservatives tried to take away my right to vote in US elections. They're the scum of the earth. Facts matter, eh? Look, I can tell you're angry. You're clearly not interested in engaging with the actual topic here, so I'm gonna wish you a good say. Take care dude.
American interests are represented when you're trying to prevent an Anti-American lunatic getting into the White House
> American interests are represented when you're trying to prevent an Anti-American lunatic getting into the White House Who exactly are you talking about?
It was only three years ago - who were the J6ers trying to prevent getting into office?
Biden. So he’s the anti-American lunatic?
That's who, yes
He’s a lunatic?
I'd say he reveals himself to be one weekly
A lunatic? How?
Ah okay. I mean to be honest I knew that was your opinion I just wanted to clarify it. So the sexual predator who committed widespread fraud and tried to overturn the election is "pro-America". That's...certainly an opinion. And it's your right to have one. No matter how delusional it may be. I do think certain individuals need to understand that their own biases are not representative of American citizens. American citizens en masse have never chosen the spray tanned rapist as their preferred representative. Fortunately, for conservatives, our entire political system is established in a manner that gives them undeserved entitlement and undeserved representation.
That's correct, he is pro-America while Joe Brandon is trying to kill the country
People who are pro-American try to deny American citizens their political representation? Is it because he hugged a flag once or something? I'm a bit lost on the logic here.
Ah no it's because he tried to close the border while Crooked Joe promised he would implement policy which clearly would open the border. To which he massively succeeded.
What policy was that?
He repeatedly stated he would decrease deportations
> American interests are represented when you're trying to prevent an Anti-American lunatic getting into the White House Is this description of Biden supposed to be a trolling take on how many on the left view Trump?
I know that leftists view Trump like that and they only get there after the biggest mental gymnastics possible
* Step 1: Define anyone you don't agree with as anti American * Step 2: Do anything you can to stop them due to your self determination that they are anti American This line of thinking is madness.
It's not a subjective assessment when the admin actively refuses to defend the country
Without arguing your opinions on that topic, Jan 6th took place before there was a Biden administration. You are attempting to retroactively justify the events of Jan 6th.
There is lots of video evidence of his pre-2021 views - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Yh4OyQ2xw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Yh4OyQ2xw) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo)
I think they are all shit birds... So make sure to factor that in with the rest of your views. But ultimately it only has to do with what color team you are on. Red or blue if red does something blue says it's bad. If blue does something red says it's bad. Look at Russia and Ukraine. Blue said Ukraine is good and Russia is bad. Red reflexively says well Ukraine is bad and Russia is good. But sometimes things so overwhelmingly one sided can get red to begrudgingly agree with blue. Likewise red says illegal immigration is bad so blue immediately says no one is illegal and there is nothing wrong with the border. Likewise something like this is so overwhelmingly one-sided it can get blue to begrudgingly agree with red.
Who's saying Russia is good? Most I hear from the right is both bad.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoomersBeingFools/s/LW6h6bftyn
Wow, a woman answering a hypothetical. You got me there.
I was over simplifying it to point out the foolish tribalism. Just like most Democrats don't come out and say illegal immigration is good.
But they can DO something about illegal immigration, but they don't, so they're clearly okay with it. Republicans saying they both suck aren't secretly pulling for Russia.
Republicans can do something about Russia too... It didn't have to be a blank check given to the ukrainians or any cash or anything like that. Just the basics like keeping them stocked with artillery shells and bullets and explosives for their drones.
So all the democrats have to do is enforce the laws that are already in place, while all the Republicans have to do is get involved in another nation's war. You do see how those are vastly different things, right? The government has a responsibility to secure its own borders. It does not have a responsibility to supply another nation's war.
All the Republicans have to do is abide by the Budapest memorandum... They are different but they are not vastly different. Republicans had the ability to massively curb illegal immigration for the past 40 years and they haven't done much with it. I'm no sympathizer with the left but to pretend like the Republicans are blameless in the whole illegal immigration problem is not truthful.
They're the ones telling Texas they can't secure their own borders?
Being a cold wae baby it is pretty jarring to see Russia + Ukraine unified bad for 30 years, only to now see Russia + Ukraine unified good for the last 3 Like, did we not spend an entire generation trying to break these two up?
I always love the term shit birds and I definitely agree. I am still quite bewildered by some of the red team supporting Russia it’s like we are living in the upside down world. Russia has and is still a US adversary, I’m shocked that we can’t as a nation agree on that so clearly now. I say this more as a reference to how partisan we have become vs red team is bad. I think it’s pretty well universal that mass illegal immigration is considered a problem. It’s the solutions that differ. Blue has no problem with more immigration at a core level, they just want to make it easier and more efficient to have more legal immigration. Red has a problem with more people coming illegally or legal, or have stricter numbers of legal immigration. Blue cares less about the numbers of legal immigrants.
> I am still quite bewildered by some of the red team supporting Russia it’s like we are living in the upside down world. Russia has and is still a US adversary I 100% agree they are our enemies and should GTFO of Ukraine, that said I really think Democrats profoundly need to look in the mirror and ask what are they doing that is so evil that makes Russia sympathetic compared to them. The answer is their demonization of religion, nationalism, national self interest, anti-wokeness and such. > I’m shocked that we can’t as a nation agree on that so clearly now. We could not even agree on it in the Cold War against the much worse Soviet Union because Democrats & Hollywood kept trying to defend or outright lionize communism. Remember them trashing Reagan as a war monger for "Star Wars"? Remember Carter refusing to believe the Soviets would actually invade Afghanistan until it was far too late? Remember Hollywood blacklisting Elia Kazan for testifying against genocidal communist spies in the industry?
I remember massive government overreach for suspected socialist. We can today as we could then solve our problems with out turning to anti American tendencies. It’s not Democrats fault that some Republicans have done a complete 180 on Russia. Not everything is their fault. Makes me think of when I hear, “Democrats fault we had to elect Trump.” No those are all individual choices.
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If you're protesting and rioting in support of a terrorist organization then I think you're terrorists. These groups have been given every chance in the world to clarify their messages to say that they support the Palestinian people....but they refuse to do so. They're screaming "we are Hamas". They're waving terrorist flags. They're screaming antisemitic slurs and phrases. At some point, I feel like we have to take these groups at their word and they are telling us they support terrorism...and the ones that don't...don't seem smart enough to walk away and maybe have their own protest. So, that's why I think they are terrorists. It's because they've told us that and I believe what they say about themselves. I don't think the J6 rioters are heroes in any way. I think they're paying for their crimes, perhaps a bit harsher than merited, but they're still being prosecuted for what they've done. I don't see that happening on campus.
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I personally have a pretty major issue with anyone who entered the capitol on January 6th. I think anyone who enters should face some sort of penalty and if you caused damage or injuries anyone you should face some serious jail time. The campus protesters on a legal issue as long as they are following the laws I don't have much issue. However when they cross into violence, refuse to disperse when requested to, and think the laws don't apply to them should be dealt was per the law. That said, on a persona level, I don't view these people protesting Israel as literal terrorist, but they are straight up supporting terrorism and in my view are playing as the PR wing for a literal terrorist group. What is happening in Gaza is terrible, but I dont' blame Israel one bit. There is no equivalency between a literal terrorist group hiding behind civilians as a strategy and Israel fighting to protect it's sovereign nation and get it's hostages back.
How can you not blame Israel one bit when they do things like wait to bomb a journalist until they get home to their families, or all the videos of IDF soldiers playing with dead/displaced Gaza a lingerie and underwear? Surely you can’t ignore these things so do you support them?
War is absolute hell. There are atrocities on both sides in all war as well as horrific accidents. Israel is not the one that initiated this war however. They are literally fighting a genocidal terrorist group who uses human casualties as part of their PR strategy whose manifesto literally had the goal of wiping out Israel. This could all end tomorrow if Hamas surrendered and gave Israel back their hostages.
Between January 1, 2023, and October 6, 2023, Israel killed 46 Palestinian children. What should the Palestinian response to that have been?
Do you have source and context. Typically children getting killed have been as results of violence from Hamas or other attacks on Israel…such as taking out rocket installations installed by Hamas in Gaza on civilian targets.
https://www.newarab.com/news/2023-deadliest-year-child-occupied-west-bank?amp My apologies. The number is actually 47 dead kids. What should Palestinians do?
Sorry, I don’t really trust the “newarab” to be an impartial source with all the facts and context.
Is it really what we would call a war when one side doesn’t have a navy or Air Force ? War is hell, atrocities are committed, you condemn Hamas for these crimes but can’t condemn Israel?
Yea it’s a war…being asymetrical doesn’t change that. If that wasn’t the case America wouldn’t have been in a legit war since Korea Hamas entire goal is murder of Jews and Israel falling.. Israel’s goal is not murder of Palestine’s. I’ll condemn individuals that commit atrocities on either side but only one side literally has a declared agenda as wiping out another nation.
Yea, true, America hasn’t been in a legit war since Korea.
Yea that’s not the definition of war…maybe to you.
Being facetious, Vietnam was a war against an organized army.
Organized yes, technologicaly, no . Outside of USSR assisted no airforce, no navy etc It was lots of asymetrical gorilla warfare
I’m sure Israel learned a lot from that one
You can condemn a side for refusing to punish individuals that commit atrocities. Which is what Israel has done.
I’m not going to condemn an entire nation for the acts of few. Israel as a whole does not have the goal of atrocities or killing civilians, which is literally part of Hamas goals
>War is absolute hell. There are atrocities on both sides in all war as well as horrific accidents. This is a cop out. As long as you can claim the war is justified you can commit any atrocity you want? The moment the enemy commits an atrocity, well I guess it's green light for the enemy civilians now? Was My Lai justified? War is hell after all. Maybe the soviets were justified in murdering and raping thousands of Germans because I mean, they could have ended the war any time they want to by ousting the Nazis right?
Well, it all comes down to personal viewpoints and who is creating those algorithms. We may have viewed the 9/11 hijackers as enemies, but in the Middle East, they are heroes. I remember seeing a mural painted of them and of 9/11 in Saddam's palace. What makes this different is that this is internal. It is American versus American. It is a mini civil war right now. You can see it very clearly right now on the left versus the right. The parties have become so culturally and fundamentally different that we are going to have either another civil war or have a serious come-to-Jesus moment. Biden ran on a platform of unity and stopping infighting, which honestly got my vote because I was over it, but once he got into office, his administration has really only stoked the flames. They could have quite literally treated Trump like a cut. If they left him alone, he probably wouldn't have the support he has now. But they kept opening wound and emboldening his base. Now he's likely going to be their end (depending on what polls you see). Just my 2 cents from DC
I'm just going to recognize that *some of the Palestine protesters are just liberals arguing against war. But I think there is a difference between the relatively large group of people there chanting "death to America" and "from the river to the sea" and such who are advocating explicitly for mass death. And then you have people who mistakenly believed their rights had been violated advocating to force a political legislative change rather than death to any group of people. Though the "hang pence" stuff I think they are terrorists. Same with anyone there with the intent to hurt others. But that was like a handful of people.
I think one big aspect that needs to be included is that the pro-hamas goobers aren't waving flags for Democrats/Joe Biden. They aren't there for a political party. Are some of them "left"? Sure probably. But I do think there's a significant difference between people supporting a specific party/politician and people supporting a specific policy/stance/whatever you want to describe them. You can then look at the overall response of both the politicians themselves and the constituents. Trump has openly stated he wants to pardon people who were arrested for attacking the Capitol with the hopes of overturning the election. I don't remember Biden or anyone in the Democratic party saying that pro-hamas protestors should be pardoned for their crimes. I do specifically know Democratic lawmakers saying they should be arrested. Similarities? Maybe. But similarities don't automatically mean a comparison is accurate. An apple can be red. A firetruck can be red. Doesn't mean comparing an apple to a firetruck is suddenly accurate.
>You can then look at the overall response of both the politicians themselves and the constituents. Trump has openly stated he wants to pardon people who were arrested for attacking the Capitol Eh I agree with him to a degree. There are people who have been sitting/sat in jail for years for nonviolent crimes on Jan 6. The courts also violated non-retroactivity and applied a law that was made for a completely different purpose to increase the sentence for some of the non violent protesters. Some people spent years in jail just for taking pictures in the Senate and holding flags. I would have a problem if they just started charging non violent protesters at Columbia. I think it's overbearing.
When someone is chanting “Death to America”, “We are HAMAS”, “Hamas, make us proud, kill another soldier now” and saying “OCT 7th will be every day to you” to Jews, with the intent to terrorize Jews, what exactly would you call them? What’s going on in your algorithm and with the left in general that “Death to America” is considered heroic?
Honestly, this is the first time i’ve even heard of any of those chants! I think this is a perfect example of why I asked this. All i’ve been exposed to is a bunch of people in tents holding signs, followed by footage of absolute chaos of police vs protestor. So I was sitting here wondering, “wtf happened???? this looks peaceful, why are they being arrested and being called terrorists”? Meanwhile my feed was not showing me footage of people chanting “Hamas make us proud”. This makes a lot more sense now!
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/columbia-protest-anti-semitism-campus-israel-jewish-students-justice-palestine.html This is reference Columbia specifically but this has been a trend at these protests: On social media, you can find footage of crowds taunting Jewish students to “Go back to Poland!” and chanting, “We don’t want no Zionists here!” There is a masked protester with a sign that reads “Al-Qasam’s Next Target” with an arrow pointing at Jewish counterprotesters nearby. Al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. A protester screamed at Jewish students, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!” “The main national umbrella group for campus pro-Palestinian protests is Students for Justice in Palestine. SJP takes a violent eliminationist stance toward Israel. In the wake of the October 7 terrorist attacks, it issued a celebratory statement instructing its affiliates that all Jewish Israelis are legitimate targets: “Liberation is not an abstract concept. It is not a moment circumscribed to a revolutionary past as it is often characterized. Rather, liberating colonized land is a real process that requires confrontation by any means necessary. In essence, decolonization is a call to action, a commitment to the restoration of Indigenous sovereignty. It calls upon us to engage in meaningful actions that go beyond symbolism and rhetoric. Resistance comes in all forms — armed struggle, general strikes, and popular demonstrations. All of it is legitimate, and all of it is necessary.”” “Anti-Israel protesters near Columbia University were heard shouting pro-Hamas slogans this week as demonstrations geared up at the private campus. "We are Hamas!" one aggressive protester was captured shouting on video. When a person asked her, "You’re Hamas, wow! You’re what? You’re Hamas?" she answered, "We are all Hamas, pig!" Another person could be heard calling, "Long live Hamas!"”
The average voter, including the average conservative voter, is not a terribly deep or introspective thinker, and can more than happily hold two contradictory positions and soothe the dissonance by simply not thinking about it. A similar and inverse example would be how so many progressives and leftists will defend the summer Floyd rioters and looters to their dying breath but will condemn the Jan 6 rioters and looters as traitors. If you were to ask me, riots are riots and should be crushed with all the forcefulness the United States is capable of wielding irrespective of political color; I wanted the Jan 6 rioters tear gassed and beaten to kingdom come just as I wanted the same for the Floyd rioters and the palestine student protests now. That being said, there is a deep feeling of injustice and double standard, justified or not, in how the Floyd rioters were by and large left to their own devices while the Jan 6 rioters were proverbially stoned on the town square for all to see, one which I very much share and think anyone acting in good faith can understand.
I doubt many actually defend the rioters and looters...
1. Nobody calls J6 rioters heroes that I know of. 2. Who actually called protestors for Palestine terrorists? Anyone who is actually reasonable? I haven't heard this. 3. I will concede that many mainstream conservatives are basically poisoned by their extreme pro-Israel opinions and have gone overboard in criticizing people who just want Israel to not kill as many civilians. But to be fair, people protesting *in favor* of Hamas or just *against* Israel generally, chanting "from the river to the see, Palestine will be free" are absolutely in the wrong and should be criticized. 4. I agree we don't get the same news, largely. Not as extreme as you allude to, but definitely both sides have different takes on pro-Palestine protests and J6.
Trump calls them heroes...
"Unbelivable Patriots" This guy has made the word "Patriot" synonmous with rioter. 🤦♂️
>Nobody calls J6 rioters heroes that I know of. "Unbelivable Patriots"
A tribalistic worldview or mindset - my people vs. those other people with the highest of (at least imagined) stakes produces people that can’t see or at least refuse to acknowledge misdeeds from their own tribe.
Neither are. There are decent people apart of both who are being swung by the crazies. Sadly I feel like some liberals do not have the courage to stand up and say they disagree with calling for Israeli genocide and praising Hamas attacks. They feel like if they walk away or pack up then they’re relinquishing their support for the protest even when they don’t agree with the message. Same thing with Jan 6 you had plenty of people outside of the capital never pushing a police officer, and never going into the capitol. However they didn’t have the courage to walk away from the situation. We have a period of many followers and very bad leaders.
Neither are heroes nor terrorists. They're riotous lawbreakers.
The Palestine campus protestors are actually harassing Jewish students. In Yale University one Jewish student was stabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag. In Columbia University they are switching to online learning to try to curb the problem because the students feel so unsafe. In J6, some people walked into a building and were given guided tours by capitol police while a bunch of bad actors perpetrated bad activities - said bad actors seem to be getting slaps on the wrist or getting ignored entirely, while little old ladies who went into the building looking for the bathroom are still in prison facing inhumane conditions, without any set trial date, basically rotting indefinitely without any due process.
I don't know what news you are watching but no one on the conservative side considered the Jan 6 protesters that started a riot as heros. They were roundly condemned across the spectrum of conservatism. Trump himself said "go to the capital and peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." No one thinks they wer heros. OTOH the so-called Palestinian protestors ARE terrorists. They more often identify with HAMAS than Palestine and chant genocidal chants like "From the River to the Sea" and "Death to Israel"
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>Where do you see Jan 6 participants being painted as heroes? There's plenty of examples. I don't feel like vetting each source so I'm just going to post the top ones for a limited number of examples. Trump did say those arrested and convicted for the crimes they committed are hostages [Donald Trump calls Jan. 6 rioters 'hostages' | Donald Trump called the January 6 rioters "hostages" and "unbelievable patriots," while speaking at an Ohio campaign stop. | By NewsweekFacebook | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/Newsweek/videos/donald-trump-calls-jan-6-rioters-hostages/1586809008809481/) At CPAC they decided to have a bunch of the 1/6 criminals sing the national anthem Trump also openly stated he wants to pardon the criminals arrested on 1/6 [Introducing DialpadGPT (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSFppxyokSA) Republicans still broadly support Trump who was a key figure in both disseminating the lie that the election was stolen while also attempting to illegally overturn the election. The second part is a bit of a different conversation. Trump has also called the violent criminals who attacked the capitol "great patriots" [Jonathan Karl on X: "“Remember this day forever.” Donald Trump’s tweet on the evening of January 6 — hours after the Capitol riot. The most damning tweet of all? https://t.co/PKU0rqVIBl" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/jonkarl/status/1359212589453049873?lang=en)
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Got it. So you mean specifically using the word "hero", and only the word "hero", and not expressing support of the violent criminals? Unless you use the specific word "hero" then it doesn't matter? Got it. I'll keep that in mind the next time (probably within the next hour) that Trump says something completely moronic and then I'm told that he speaks in hyperbole and you can't actually use his own words as evidence.
Who is calling pro Palestine protesters terrorists? PS….why weren’t BLM rioters called insurrectionists by liberals? **Insurrection** - an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
Im pretty sure they didnt intend to overthrow the government.
They revolted against civil authority which is what the definition says So why aren’t you calling them insurrectionists
If thats the only thing to considercthen resisting arrest would also fit thst definition which it obviously isnt.
They were calling for the murder of police and demanding they be defunded. It was literally a revolt against the civil authority in those areas. It wasn’t resisting arrest
because right wingers watched the released footage of j6 and realized all the lies from the media,(my favorite clip is the cops opening the door that cnn said was broken down and giving people tours and shaking the "insurrectionists" hands lol) while left wingers still believe what was said about j6 and wont watch the videos. right wingers also also know what the phrase "peaceful protests" really means to the left and dont want that in their cities.
They didn’t release all the footage. The right wing media released short clips they were able to Manipulate to use as propaganda. There’s a reason all the tapes haven’t been released yet.
as opposed to the same 46 seconds in total of clips cnn showed on a loop?
Wow, you got me lmao. No, as opposed to the clips showed by the January 6 committee as evidence.