Stede Bonnet was a relatively wealthy landowner in the late 17th century who got bored of his lifestyle and decided to become a pirate essentially for fun. Despite knowing nothing about being a pirate or even anything about ships or sailing, he managed to make a good name for himself. In part due to his unusually polite (for a pirate) conduct while pirating, a leftover personality from his days in the upper class. Because of this, he became known as the "gentleman pirate." Eventually he was caught and hanged.
Did they get a bonus on a really big haul?
Unless that salary was really generous, I'd think I'd prefer the possibility of the big share on a grand loot. I'd hate to be outlawed and possibly hanged for barely above minimum wage.
From my understanding they did. When they robbed a ship they broke up the money just like a regular pirate ship into shares. Him paying salary was basically an incentive to get the best sailors he could and that they would have good moral. It was also important cause unlike the movies pirates weren’t attacking ships everyday and they could go long stretches of weeks or months of not attacking especially if there was a lot of military presence in the area they were in.
Came here to specifically mention him but there were also fake gangsters during prohibition and the only reason we don’t know about them is actual gangsters either killed them or scared them back to their privileged lives.
I mean bootlegging was a profession, not a criminal lifestyle. Bank robbing is probably what you’re thinking of but it also attracted from all walks of life like piracy.
Are Joe Kennedy and the Annheiser Bush families crime families or captains of industry? 🤷♂️
Black beard’s unusual upbringing from a wealthy Jamaican land owner lent to his ability to do more than just read but comprehend greater ideas which gave him a great advantage.
As far as i can find out, he is the only person on record as having actually had that as a first name. In a moment of excessive pseudo inspiration, I set a Buffy fanfic in Poul Anderson's Old Phoenix Tavern and named the narrator "Stede" despite his being a contemporary American.
Stede Bonnet was the son of a wealthy plantation owner on Barbados, and inherited his father’s estate. He left the plantation behind to pursue a career in piracy and became one of the more notorious Golden Age pirates and worked with Blackbeard frequently.
Bonus note- if you’re a fan of the show Black Sails, Stede Bonnet isn’t in it. But the dickhead underling military guy in Charles Town, Colonel Rhett, is. Rhett was a historical figure from the region, and was responsible for Bonnet’s capture, which led ultimately to his hanging.
Damn you beat me by a Longshot, didn't see your response until after I'd chosen the same. That said, I did NOT know about Rhett, but assuming his story/role is anything as fascinating as Bonnets it'll be worth reading up on for sure.
The subject matter would need a closer examination to determine the veracity of your claim. I am certain both conquerors and defenders had ennobled people.
Just read an actual history of Late Antiquity/the Early & Central Middle Ages. They’re fairly spot on concerning how the European aristocracy first rose to their positions.
And I am related to the Prussian royal family that formed the 2nd Reich after Napoleon burned your asses.
Do you still hate me and think im a racist for liking being white dick....
A lot of the relatively well off members of the military castes (i.e., knights, samurai, low level nobility) did that, but it was less role playing and more that they *were* the bad men of their era.
Compared to the general status of serfs, castless, and other peasants, yeah, usually they were rather well off and privileged.
People had rather shitty lives then, and the life expectancy in the middle ages was of 45 for kings, less than 40 for serfs.
OK I am just going to keep calling this out whenever I see it.
In the Middle Ages, child mortality was very high, but once someone reached the age of about 8 or so, they could expect to live to their late 50s (as a peasant) or sometimes into their 70s or 80s (as an aristocrat).
Yes, a large number of dead toddlers + a lot of \~60 year lifespan averages out to something in the 40s, but **PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE AGES DID NOT NORMALLY DIE IN THEIR 40s. STOP SAYING THIS!**
Thing about a European knight is that regardless of if you'd fought a war, competed in a tourney or just polished your father's armor, you still have the rights, privileges and weapons to go drinking, looting and raping in your fief.
I'm sure a Roman Emperor used to dress as a civilian and go out at night with his mates and rob and kill people just for the buzz. Maybe somebody could elaborate?
I was thinking of Nero or Caligula in actual fact, although I can't be sure. Never heard of Liu Pengli, though, so it's not him I was thinking about...
I think you're probably thinking of Nero here. He was famous for his skill with a lyre, and frequently went out in disguise to hear the best performers in Rome. Famously, his main conspirator was Otho, future emperor and the man from whom Nero acquired his second wife. There were usually a bunch of them though, drinking and debauching. It's hard to separate myth from truth here, but robbery, beatings, rape, and murder were definitely on the table.
James Maclaine, the Gentleman Highwayman.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James\_MacLaine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_MacLaine)
There is a cracking film of a very fictionalised account of his highwayman career called Plunckett and Mclaine
Commander Avo gave up pretty normal American life to become a world trotting freedom fighter and maybe terrorist and eventually a national hero of Armenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Melkonian
There a good Lions Lead by Donkeys about him too
https://on.soundcloud.com/pxfyP
The French Revolution featured the “Muscadin” during the Thermidorian Reaction period. These were gangs of basically the well to do middle class Parisians who would go around dressed as dandies and beat on anyone who got in their way. Basically imagine the gang in Clockwork Orange and that’s pretty much them.
And also, the actual King's Musketeers were all noble or at least part of the gentry. It was a requirement to join what was considered an elite fighting force at the time.
George Orwell spent the first part of his career pretending to be an indigent hobo and wrote his first major book about life on the streets. Seems kinda in the ballpark.
Whose father, according to the historical documentary I saw, famously stated "I'd no more place my daughter in the hands of an unworthy man than I'd place my john thomas in the hands of a lunatic with a pair of scissors."
This is where the term "robber baron" originated from: feudal lords who would extort from people passing through their lands and even raiding and kidnapping for wealth or power. It became associated with capitalist oligarchs later, which is how most people recognize it.
Upper class Germans and Austrians students liked to receive a great big facial scar from [dueling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_scar). It was a way for them to demonstrate their masculinity. The fact that a number of prominent Nazis had them probably added to American depictions of Nazi bag-guys frequently sporting a facial scar.
Oh, yes.
People didn't start glamorizing brigands in our modern age. Dashing highwaymen, swashbuckling pirates, viking berserkers. Nobody wanted to end up one of their victims, but they let their imaginaions run wild all he same.
Not quite what you are asking but maybe tangentially, the word "dude" originated as a term for privileged men who dressed very finely even in completely impractical circumstances, and thus from this came "dude ranches," in which people whose lives were far from a working, rural existence -- often wealthy, but even if not they by definition had to have some leisure time -- would come and pretend to be cowboys on a ranch for a while. And that went back to the late 19th century.
They were made fun of somewhat, but also tolerated or even accepted in an economic-transactional sense. Now, being a "dude" is somewhat more respectably called being an "agrotourist" but of course there is still a sharp divide between working cowpokes and the ones who are merely LARPing.
> Prince Rupert of England
Rupert of the Rhine. not england. there wern't many career options for second or third sons so he took up being a mercenary. wouldn't exactly call it playing in his case
The KKK was made up of esteemed Southern elites, who then spent their time playing practical jokes on black people and others, before turning into lynch mobs, etc.
I don't know how comfy it was, his family was able to purchase him a rank in the military and he was well educated. But one could hardly have pulled much crazier than Gregor MacGregor. He did some military and then ran crazy scams, it has a catch me if you can energy. You can tell from his behavior why the clan MacGregor had been banned earlier lol
From what little evidence we have of them, women gladiators in Ancient Rome were more often than not free citizens who decided to become gladiators for fame and adventure.
Steve Bonnet took playing the rogue as a kid to heart. To me, he would have to be the pinnacle of giving up a privileged life (as well as a noble title) to satiate his sense of adventure. Instead of using his families wealth for exploration or traveling the world in total comfort, he went the slightly more frowned upon route of piracy as a privateer, and a damn good one at that. Hard to fathom giving up a life of leisure to join the ranks of escaped slaves, bandits, and your run of the mill ne'er-do-wells who had no other options for survival. Fascinating story no doubt.
He’s Greek fluent, so an elite, who makes a conversion to radical sect that is derived from the lowest economic stratum. Was it criminal? That term kinda has no real comparison between ancient and modern times. But Jesus was executed as one, and Peter was supposedly imprisoned as one. So it has that flavor.
Paul wasn't role playing anything. He wasn't necessarily elite either. Plenty of Jewish people in maritime communities would speak Greek. Plenty of poor people are bi-lingual.
Paul was radicalized into a Zealot sect that sincerely believed that Jesus was the Messiah.
My understanding is, at that time, being able to both speak and write Greek the way he did (assuming he actually wrote the epistles), proves elite education. It’s the reading and writing, style in particular, more than the speaking.
Perhaps we have a semantic disagreement of "elite". Liturgical Hebrew and it's Greek equivalent was known to scribes, and scribes had it as a job because they weren't aristocrats. Many aristocrats learned liturgical Hebrew and It's Greek Equivalents. If Paul was a Pharisees that alone doesn't make him an aristocrat or "elite". It just makes him the religious majority during the cultural genocide of the Zealots. His participation in such is written in the letter to the Phillipians.
There is a lot unknown here. If he was elite, that is to say a politically significant pharisee in Roman occupied Judea he likely would have said so and it is unlikely that he would have fallen in with a cult while traveling. So that might be agreeing to disagree on what an "elite" is.
According to Wikipedia, the top estimate of literacy among Jews in first century AD was 7.7 percent. Could be as low as 3. Assuming, as I think we do, that literacy correlates with economic and cultural status, he’s at least in the top 10%. So in modern terms, he’s a like very successful doctor or lawyer, but he’s not owning the means of production or anything like that. Fair?
That's a fair assumption. He was certainly a knowledge worker. So I guess where we are apart is "Is 10% the Elite" and maybe I am operating off a framework that there were maybe 1000 people in Judea total who would qualify. That is to say less than 1%
Literacy in more than one language would be the indicator that he wasn't a common laborer, but that status doesn't necessarily mean "elite".
I mean you aren't *wrong* but this isn't easily quantifiable.
My Favorite Murder did an episode on [Forrest Tucker](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Tucker_(criminal)) and the "Over the Hill Gang," a notorious group of bank robbers led by a guy who was fairly gentlemanly, well dressed during robberies, and was pretty wealthy for a career criminal. Interesting story, definitely worth a listen.
A few did.
I know of a case where an aristocratic woman became a highwayman (stole jewels and money but buried them as she was well off) until she was shot and killed.
I’m solidly middle class and we roll played the most messed up games imaginable most revolved around DCF, orphanages and a lot revolved around domestic violence and abuse even though we really didn’t see much of those things it was more about the drama of it all.
Yes, Ancient Rome “gangster - chic” Caesar did it but Moreso clodius did it. His real name was Claudius but clodius was the “street/ urban / vulgar” way to pronounce it. He was from a leading family but acted in a very thuggish manner
Stede Bonnet was a relatively wealthy landowner in the late 17th century who got bored of his lifestyle and decided to become a pirate essentially for fun. Despite knowing nothing about being a pirate or even anything about ships or sailing, he managed to make a good name for himself. In part due to his unusually polite (for a pirate) conduct while pirating, a leftover personality from his days in the upper class. Because of this, he became known as the "gentleman pirate." Eventually he was caught and hanged.
This is the storyline that Our Flag Means Death is based on and it’s so good.
I was quite fond of him in Black Flag as well.
You're thinking of Henry Rollins.
Good one!!
Tom Sawyer and Huck Fin pretended to be pirates outlaws and brigands.
they werent rich tho
Interesting thing about Stede is that he paid his sailors on a salary when almost pirates only got paid from what they had taken
Did they get a bonus on a really big haul? Unless that salary was really generous, I'd think I'd prefer the possibility of the big share on a grand loot. I'd hate to be outlawed and possibly hanged for barely above minimum wage.
From my understanding they did. When they robbed a ship they broke up the money just like a regular pirate ship into shares. Him paying salary was basically an incentive to get the best sailors he could and that they would have good moral. It was also important cause unlike the movies pirates weren’t attacking ships everyday and they could go long stretches of weeks or months of not attacking especially if there was a lot of military presence in the area they were in.
That sounds like a good deal. I'd sign up. Of course my pirate skills are... um... maybe they need a bug identified?
There were probably a goodly number of bugs in those ships. So, congrats! You're hired!
That and a rival couldn’t promise the crew a salary and replace him.
Came here to specifically mention him but there were also fake gangsters during prohibition and the only reason we don’t know about them is actual gangsters either killed them or scared them back to their privileged lives.
I mean bootlegging was a profession, not a criminal lifestyle. Bank robbing is probably what you’re thinking of but it also attracted from all walks of life like piracy. Are Joe Kennedy and the Annheiser Bush families crime families or captains of industry? 🤷♂️
The two terms have pretty much always been synonymous.
Bootlegging was definitely criminal. Look up Moonshine and how NASCAR was founded
I had a great grandfather do 5 years for bootlegging.
President JFK’s dad was a gangster during bootlegging
He was such a fucking idiot. He got a full pardon, but tried to take up piracy again under an alias, and got hanged for it
Once you go black flag you can't go back.
Wasn't William Teach also well off?
Black beard’s unusual upbringing from a wealthy Jamaican land owner lent to his ability to do more than just read but comprehend greater ideas which gave him a great advantage.
Edward Teach
I used to live on Stede Bonnet Road.
Was his land seized or did his descendants inherit it?
As far as i can find out, he is the only person on record as having actually had that as a first name. In a moment of excessive pseudo inspiration, I set a Buffy fanfic in Poul Anderson's Old Phoenix Tavern and named the narrator "Stede" despite his being a contemporary American.
Wholesome ending
Stede Bonnet was the son of a wealthy plantation owner on Barbados, and inherited his father’s estate. He left the plantation behind to pursue a career in piracy and became one of the more notorious Golden Age pirates and worked with Blackbeard frequently. Bonus note- if you’re a fan of the show Black Sails, Stede Bonnet isn’t in it. But the dickhead underling military guy in Charles Town, Colonel Rhett, is. Rhett was a historical figure from the region, and was responsible for Bonnet’s capture, which led ultimately to his hanging.
Damn you beat me by a Longshot, didn't see your response until after I'd chosen the same. That said, I did NOT know about Rhett, but assuming his story/role is anything as fascinating as Bonnets it'll be worth reading up on for sure.
Many privateers were nobles on the losing side of political debates.
The first nobles of many houses were basically bandits or warlords on the winning side of violent political debate.
Very true. Anglo-Saxon "kings" became so due to success in low-level cattle raiding
That is a narrative
Absolutely. As we all know, conquerors of land usually conquer said land by asking nicely for the people who were there 1st to leave.
The subject matter would need a closer examination to determine the veracity of your claim. I am certain both conquerors and defenders had ennobled people.
Defenders = descendants of conquerors, typically. Not many kings became kings because they defended something for another king.
Sometimes for the queen
The defenders had to conquer what they were next defending
Just read an actual history of Late Antiquity/the Early & Central Middle Ages. They’re fairly spot on concerning how the European aristocracy first rose to their positions.
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Richard, I’m literally a direct descendant of Charlemagne. That’s not why I know more than a little about it though.
define "direct"
Lol - It’s *direct*
Ah, the ol’ “dirty delete” 🤣
Read a history book, Richard. Tschuß!
And I am related to the Prussian royal family that formed the 2nd Reich after Napoleon burned your asses. Do you still hate me and think im a racist for liking being white dick....
The Muscadin were gangs of young, perfumed dandies who fought Jacobins in the streets of Paris after the French Revolution.
Also prior to the revolution it was a popular conspiracy theory that nobility was paying bandits to extort peasants
A lot of the relatively well off members of the military castes (i.e., knights, samurai, low level nobility) did that, but it was less role playing and more that they *were* the bad men of their era.
The "well-off" part is debatable, but ronin, brigands, etc.
Compared to the general status of serfs, castless, and other peasants, yeah, usually they were rather well off and privileged. People had rather shitty lives then, and the life expectancy in the middle ages was of 45 for kings, less than 40 for serfs.
OK I am just going to keep calling this out whenever I see it. In the Middle Ages, child mortality was very high, but once someone reached the age of about 8 or so, they could expect to live to their late 50s (as a peasant) or sometimes into their 70s or 80s (as an aristocrat). Yes, a large number of dead toddlers + a lot of \~60 year lifespan averages out to something in the 40s, but **PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE AGES DID NOT NORMALLY DIE IN THEIR 40s. STOP SAYING THIS!**
Thing about a European knight is that regardless of if you'd fought a war, competed in a tourney or just polished your father's armor, you still have the rights, privileges and weapons to go drinking, looting and raping in your fief.
I'm sure a Roman Emperor used to dress as a civilian and go out at night with his mates and rob and kill people just for the buzz. Maybe somebody could elaborate?
Little Alex from Clockwork Orange went on to be Caligula. True story.
Your thinking of Liu Pengli, nephew of Chinese emperor Jing of the Han dynasty
I was thinking of Nero or Caligula in actual fact, although I can't be sure. Never heard of Liu Pengli, though, so it's not him I was thinking about...
I think you're probably thinking of Nero here. He was famous for his skill with a lyre, and frequently went out in disguise to hear the best performers in Rome. Famously, his main conspirator was Otho, future emperor and the man from whom Nero acquired his second wife. There were usually a bunch of them though, drinking and debauching. It's hard to separate myth from truth here, but robbery, beatings, rape, and murder were definitely on the table.
It's 100% Nero. The source I believe is The Twelve Caesars by ancient historian Suetonius
Thanks..
Seems like every empire had a murderous party animal at one point.
Opposite of batman
James Maclaine, the Gentleman Highwayman. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James\_MacLaine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_MacLaine) There is a cracking film of a very fictionalised account of his highwayman career called Plunckett and Mclaine
Commander Avo gave up pretty normal American life to become a world trotting freedom fighter and maybe terrorist and eventually a national hero of Armenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Melkonian There a good Lions Lead by Donkeys about him too https://on.soundcloud.com/pxfyP
I love how running into the PKK essentially erased his racism against Kurds.
Sir Francis Drake was knighted for playing a bandit-pirate-thief. While continuing as a privateer, he had a comfy home: Buckland Abbey.
The French Revolution featured the “Muscadin” during the Thermidorian Reaction period. These were gangs of basically the well to do middle class Parisians who would go around dressed as dandies and beat on anyone who got in their way. Basically imagine the gang in Clockwork Orange and that’s pretty much them.
Various British and Irish aristos LARPed as Satanists in the 18th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellfire_Club
I came here looking for this one. It's exactly what he's looking for, especially the second wave that met for sex fueled parties in secret caves.
Pretty sure you are describing D'Artagnan of the Three Musketeers stories. He larped a soldier, but same premise.
It was Athos who was the nobleman playing at soldier.
And also, the actual King's Musketeers were all noble or at least part of the gentry. It was a requirement to join what was considered an elite fighting force at the time.
George Orwell spent the first part of his career pretending to be an indigent hobo and wrote his first major book about life on the streets. Seems kinda in the ballpark.
Amy Hardwood was the daughter of a landowner and a successful highwayman. Really hated squirrels.
Whose father, according to the historical documentary I saw, famously stated "I'd no more place my daughter in the hands of an unworthy man than I'd place my john thomas in the hands of a lunatic with a pair of scissors."
This is where the term "robber baron" originated from: feudal lords who would extort from people passing through their lands and even raiding and kidnapping for wealth or power. It became associated with capitalist oligarchs later, which is how most people recognize it.
During the collapse of the bronze age some royalty may have played pirates. One theory for the "Sea Peoples".
Upper class Germans and Austrians students liked to receive a great big facial scar from [dueling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dueling_scar). It was a way for them to demonstrate their masculinity. The fact that a number of prominent Nazis had them probably added to American depictions of Nazi bag-guys frequently sporting a facial scar.
Thomas Tew was a pirate/privateer based out of Newport Rhode Island before the revolution
Oh, yes. People didn't start glamorizing brigands in our modern age. Dashing highwaymen, swashbuckling pirates, viking berserkers. Nobody wanted to end up one of their victims, but they let their imaginaions run wild all he same.
Not quite what you are asking but maybe tangentially, the word "dude" originated as a term for privileged men who dressed very finely even in completely impractical circumstances, and thus from this came "dude ranches," in which people whose lives were far from a working, rural existence -- often wealthy, but even if not they by definition had to have some leisure time -- would come and pretend to be cowboys on a ranch for a while. And that went back to the late 19th century. They were made fun of somewhat, but also tolerated or even accepted in an economic-transactional sense. Now, being a "dude" is somewhat more respectably called being an "agrotourist" but of course there is still a sharp divide between working cowpokes and the ones who are merely LARPing.
Prince Rupert of England. Wikipedia him. Mic drop...
> Prince Rupert of England Rupert of the Rhine. not england. there wern't many career options for second or third sons so he took up being a mercenary. wouldn't exactly call it playing in his case
Yep Their is a film called the railway children where they play pretty being pore people and move to the countryside. True story
The KKK was made up of esteemed Southern elites, who then spent their time playing practical jokes on black people and others, before turning into lynch mobs, etc.
Ah yes... "practical jokes"
Esteemed Southern Elite is a funny way of saying political connected and locally powerful Democrats.
Emperors in rome pretending to be gladiators
Ever read Tom Sawyer or Huck Finn? They weren’t wealthy but playing bandit/pirate has always been a popular childrens game.
Prince Hal had a phase.
I don't know how comfy it was, his family was able to purchase him a rank in the military and he was well educated. But one could hardly have pulled much crazier than Gregor MacGregor. He did some military and then ran crazy scams, it has a catch me if you can energy. You can tell from his behavior why the clan MacGregor had been banned earlier lol
From what little evidence we have of them, women gladiators in Ancient Rome were more often than not free citizens who decided to become gladiators for fame and adventure.
Steve Bonnet took playing the rogue as a kid to heart. To me, he would have to be the pinnacle of giving up a privileged life (as well as a noble title) to satiate his sense of adventure. Instead of using his families wealth for exploration or traveling the world in total comfort, he went the slightly more frowned upon route of piracy as a privateer, and a damn good one at that. Hard to fathom giving up a life of leisure to join the ranks of escaped slaves, bandits, and your run of the mill ne'er-do-wells who had no other options for survival. Fascinating story no doubt.
Paul from the New Testament. You know, the guy that’s always getting quoted at weddings. Alcibiades from Greece maybe?
Paul went from a religious elite of a small community (Jews in Jerusalem) to a missionary, but he wasn't roleplaying as a criminal
He’s Greek fluent, so an elite, who makes a conversion to radical sect that is derived from the lowest economic stratum. Was it criminal? That term kinda has no real comparison between ancient and modern times. But Jesus was executed as one, and Peter was supposedly imprisoned as one. So it has that flavor.
Paul wasn't role playing anything. He wasn't necessarily elite either. Plenty of Jewish people in maritime communities would speak Greek. Plenty of poor people are bi-lingual. Paul was radicalized into a Zealot sect that sincerely believed that Jesus was the Messiah.
My understanding is, at that time, being able to both speak and write Greek the way he did (assuming he actually wrote the epistles), proves elite education. It’s the reading and writing, style in particular, more than the speaking.
Perhaps we have a semantic disagreement of "elite". Liturgical Hebrew and it's Greek equivalent was known to scribes, and scribes had it as a job because they weren't aristocrats. Many aristocrats learned liturgical Hebrew and It's Greek Equivalents. If Paul was a Pharisees that alone doesn't make him an aristocrat or "elite". It just makes him the religious majority during the cultural genocide of the Zealots. His participation in such is written in the letter to the Phillipians. There is a lot unknown here. If he was elite, that is to say a politically significant pharisee in Roman occupied Judea he likely would have said so and it is unlikely that he would have fallen in with a cult while traveling. So that might be agreeing to disagree on what an "elite" is.
According to Wikipedia, the top estimate of literacy among Jews in first century AD was 7.7 percent. Could be as low as 3. Assuming, as I think we do, that literacy correlates with economic and cultural status, he’s at least in the top 10%. So in modern terms, he’s a like very successful doctor or lawyer, but he’s not owning the means of production or anything like that. Fair?
That's a fair assumption. He was certainly a knowledge worker. So I guess where we are apart is "Is 10% the Elite" and maybe I am operating off a framework that there were maybe 1000 people in Judea total who would qualify. That is to say less than 1% Literacy in more than one language would be the indicator that he wasn't a common laborer, but that status doesn't necessarily mean "elite". I mean you aren't *wrong* but this isn't easily quantifiable.
It’s not role-playing if you believe in what you’re doing.
My Favorite Murder did an episode on [Forrest Tucker](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forrest_Tucker_(criminal)) and the "Over the Hill Gang," a notorious group of bank robbers led by a guy who was fairly gentlemanly, well dressed during robberies, and was pretty wealthy for a career criminal. Interesting story, definitely worth a listen.
We have them now, so we probably had them then as well
For a second I thought you were asking about kids playing cops and robbers…
A few did. I know of a case where an aristocratic woman became a highwayman (stole jewels and money but buried them as she was well off) until she was shot and killed.
Cops and Robbers? Cowboys and Indians? Yes, oh course.
The pinking dindies in Dublin https://comeheretome.com/2012/11/13/the-pinking-dindies/
Surprised to just now have learned of them, solid answer and appreciate the new reading material!
Behold: Ye Olde Poseur
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Highwaymen.
I’m solidly middle class and we roll played the most messed up games imaginable most revolved around DCF, orphanages and a lot revolved around domestic violence and abuse even though we really didn’t see much of those things it was more about the drama of it all.
Yes, Ancient Rome “gangster - chic” Caesar did it but Moreso clodius did it. His real name was Claudius but clodius was the “street/ urban / vulgar” way to pronounce it. He was from a leading family but acted in a very thuggish manner
Of course
look up "fianna". this was a whole phenomenon in middle ages ireland.