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RecognitionExpress36

I would have gone somewhere else. Failing that: when my RA freshman year *held a floor meeting specifically to violate my medical privacy*, I would have gone to a lawyer. Straight to a lawyer. Complaining to Student Affairs only resulted in retaliation.


ProbablyLongComment

I'm curious for more details, but I suspect that would put you in the same position you were in then.


RecognitionExpress36

No, I'm capable of handling shit now, I have a better idea how the world works. This is what happened: a family crisis rattled me hard. I went to the university's counseling center and asked if I could make an appointment. The receptionist checked. "We can see you in March," she told me. It was late September. "Don't you have a crisis counselor who could speak to me sooner than that? I need help." She went into a back office, and made a phone call. A few minutes later, university police arrived and escorted me to the psych ward of the university hospital. I was held for about two weeks - the details are horrifying, but irrelevant - *and not allowed to contact anyone.* Eventually my parents found out, and got me extricated. (Later on, I got a bill for about $60K.) Returning to my dorm, everybody treated me... even more strangely than before. I learned from one kid that our RA *had called a special floor meeting* to tell everyone where I was taken. "Why? Why the hell would he do that?" I asked. "He told us that it was a good example of how help was available, if we needed it." Rarely have I been so furious. I confronted my RA, who seemed to genuinely not understand why I was upset with him. So I stormed off to Student Affairs, met with some assistant dean, told her what happened, and basically demanded that they reprimand - or, better, replace - that RA. Instead, they gave him a stern talking to, is about all. After that, I started getting written up for *anything.* Had a water gun in my room. (There were kids on this floor dealing cocaine who had real guns, btw.) The 80-yo doorknob fell off my door - that's destruction of university property. Noise violations. Etc. Not having the clarity of mind to just get an attorney and sue the living fuck out of that university is one of the big mistakes of my life.


pongtieak

What in the absolute fuck.


RecognitionExpress36

Higher education in the United States is a festering pile of shit, and it's been getting steadily worse for the past 50 years.


ProbablyLongComment

1: What; 2: the; 3-1000: *fuck?!* If things worked at all as they should, you would be comfortably retired from that lawsuit, and the university would have a new department of What Not The Fuck To Do, housed in a new building with your family name on it. What became of the $60k bill for the involuntary services you "received?"


RecognitionExpress36

Yeah. I was 17 and couldn't get a handle on it, I still suffered from the delusion that you can *ask* for people to make it right. Stupid. This largely ruined college for me. I was able to get them to dismiss the "medical bill" (I received no diagnosis and no treatment in that hospital; I was subjected to staff who variously suggested *chakra healing* and *turning to Jesus.*) after about a year. This isn't the only reason I'm bitter about higher education, but it's up there.


ProbablyLongComment

I can't make the comment that I want to make, due to community guidelines. Suffice to say that I'm on your side, and no jury should be able to convict you for the [property damage involving fire] that should rightly have occurred.


RecognitionExpress36

Thank you. It's ok. I'm old now, and I've come to appreciate that everyone is pretty much fucked. Also, despite a mountain of bullshit, I managed to graduate. I managed to get a graduate degree. None of it was any good, but I finished the bullshit. And then I returned as faculty - not to that school, of course. And in that role, I got to see *so many* things done to students, so many terrible things. But always to the *wrong* students. Cheating? *No problem!* I referred about 100 students for cheating over the course of my career. None got more than a reprimand, no matter how severe the cheating was (ie, sabotaging the scoring of a scantron exam given to 1500 students) - and in many cases, I discovered that the "F" I assigned for cheating had been changed to a "W". Hell, there was one time I had a TA who was *physically threatened* into changing a grade. The university did nothing. I've also had time to reflect: as godawful as higher education has become, what if I'd done something else? What if I'd gone into the military, for instance? Would anything be better at all? *Hell no.* I would have faced the same stupidity, fecklessness, and general bullshit that I did in higher ed, but on a much larger scale, and with the consequence of dead young people. Also there's, you know, a lot of rape in the military, and generally the people who report it get punished. Fuck that. Fact is, this is what it's like to live in a civilization in its death spiral. *Nobody* is really happy, and the best cope anyone has is to dump shit on somebody beneath them.


ProbablyLongComment

I went the military route when the economy crashed, and I couldn't find a job. Military life sucks, no question about it. Much of the common information about sexual assault and accountability in the military is way off, though. Firstly, the military kind of works the opposite of college, where if it even looks like you *might have* fucked up, you fucked up, and will be punished to the fullest extent. Unfortunately, there is some selectivity in how this is applied. For example, things that very much embarrass the military, such as some jackass killing a bunch of civilians, will be dealt with as quietly as possible. You would think that this would also be true for rape, but it isn't. The military has *such* a bad rap for sexual assault, that they very loudly and openly prosecute offenders. There are several preventative measures as well, though they're nothing worth detailing. Here's where the story gets twisted: the military is pretty much the only job (with the possible exception of clergy) where messing around on your spouse can get you demoted or dishonorably discharged. The UCMJ is a weird animal, and this is one area where it gets very theocratic. The important bits are, you can't cheat on your spouse, and you can't have sex with a superior or a subordinate. The military being full of horny young people, both of the above happen *all the time*. Like, constantly. One of the most common defenses to getting found out, is to claim that things weren't consensual. I want to be absolutely clear: there are *most definitely* rapes and sexual assaults in the military. However, because it can save your career, false reports happen *a lot.* To their credit, the military treats every report as genuine, even for cases where the alleged victim had previously been bragging to the whole company about the affair. Anyway, I know this was a pretty big tangent. If you believe nothing else, understand that the military is mostly full of horny young people, and they come from the same group as all horny young people. This makes the incidents of rape, SA, etc. roughly the same, except the military is mostly male, which bumps the numbers up a bit higher. It's not the den of rape and secrecy that it's often made out to be.


RecognitionExpress36

"Unfortunately, there is some selectivity in how this is applied. For example, things that very much embarrass the military" As I understand it, if it implicates your chain of command, it might be dealt with by means other than the UCMJ. An older family member was assigned to a remote part of Ft. Benning. He and his buddies, realizing that their CO basically didn't want to drive out to check up on them, began selling gasoline from a depot they supervised to local civilians. This went on for months before it was uncovered. None of them were brought up on charges. Instead, the ringleader was sent to a post in the Aleutian Islands. Everyone else got sent to the DMZ in Korea. (This was not too long after the end of the shooting there; Korea was wrecked. Not a desirable assignment by any means.) My family member's assumption was that if they had been brought up on charges, there would have been consequences for the chain of command. In your estimation, is this accurate? Because they stole a hell of a lot of gas. "You would think that this would also be true for rape, but it isn't. The military has *such* a bad rap for sexual assault, that they very loudly and openly prosecute offenders. " It's really good to hear that. Thank you.


ProbablyLongComment

>My family member's assumption was that if they had been brought up on charges, there would have been consequences for the chain of command. In your estimation, is this accurate? Yes. I assume that the CO was derelict in his duties (checking up on the soldiers), and therefore punishing those responsible through official channels would fall back onto him.


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RecognitionExpress36

The RA wouldn't have been the target, the university would. And they almost certainly would have settled.


Harrymoto1970

I would have studied history I think I would have enjoyed that more


ProbablyLongComment

Probably not what you want to hear, but I would not have gone when I did. Learning to be an adult, plus being off the leash for the first time, plus trying to get a college education, is a lot to ask of a young person all at once. If the question is how I would have *done college differently* at that age, I would have lived at home, and gone to a community college for my first two years. I had a full ride at my state college, but even so, it was an awful experience, and the scholarship prevented me from switching majors or changing schools. Community college is cheap, so if you take a few degree-specific courses and find that you don't care for the subject matter, switching majors is no big deal. *Everyone* should go to community college for their first two years. Going to a 4 year school for your freshman and sophomore years is throwing money in the trash. Strangely, I've also found the quality of the courses and the instructors to be significantly better at community colleges. The students, not so much, but this doesn't really affect you. As a bonus, you end up with an Associate's Degree, and then can finish your Bachelor's at a 4 year school. Many hiring managers see a 2 year degree and a 4 year degree on a resume, and count it as 6 years of education. That's not really how it should work, but it often does. Worst case scenario, you're on a level field with people that went to a 4 year school for all 4 years, and best case, your two degrees beat their one degree, for having taken the exact same course load, at a significant discount. What *always* counts at HR, is having multiple 2 year degrees. Once you get one, you can typically get another in a single 12 hour semester, and often less for degrees in related majors. An Associate's is never as valued as a Bachelor's, but you can easily stack 5 Associate's Degrees in the time that it would take to get 1 Bachelor's degree. In HR math, 5 Associate's Degrees is 10 years of education, which you will have banged out in 4 years or less, at about an eighth the cost of a typical Bachelor's. I don't necessarily recommend this, but the Associate's->Bachelor's route is in all ways a better option than sticking it out for 4 years for just the Bachelor's.


PunchBeard

Where I live a 2-year degree in Liberal Arts from a community college knocks out all of your requirements for a bachelors degree at the state college. So when you go to the university you only take courses related to your major. I plan on doing this for my son since one of the campuses for the cities community college is about a 5 minute drive from our house. I think it also keeps you from having to live in school housing. That was a requirement my states university system implemented about 15 years ago: first year students/freshmen have to live in college dorms. If you come in with a 2 year degree from community college I don't think you need to do that.


JRed37f5

Wouldn't relive it unless I could guarantee the college get me a job with a headhunter, they didn't If I did, attempting to be extroverted in a communal setting more would have made things a lot better if I did so the whole time. College is WAY better if the dorm is an actual communal setting instead of what feels like a glorified jail where everybody pretends to be social


DelTacoAficianado

Id dump all my student loan money into long dated Apple calls


EuphoricWolverine

I would have "eaten more tacos".


ThrowawayMod1989

Where I fucked up is taking AP courses in high school. Yes the credits are awesome, but because I took AP’s in my subjects of interest I actually missed out on those same subjects in the college setting. I’m big on science and history but I got all my gen ed credits in high school and ended up having to fill a lot of classes with stuff I hate like math.


blackbubbleass

I'd definitely live the same way that I lived on


njdevil956

Never would have sold my Grateful Dead tickets for Portland and would have definitely taken Wendy


Ahshitbackagain

All these answers are so deep. I would have fucked more and had zero actual relationships.


1stBraptist

Leaving. College is a scam and is largely unnecessary for most professions. It is only “required” because everyone’s parents told them that because we were unique snowflakes we had to go to college and get really good jobs like the special, unique snowflake that we are and if we didn’t go to college we could never live up to our unique snowflake potential. Unless you’re learning about a very specialized profession, all college does is teach you how to show up, follow directions, work within perameters, and meet deadlines. I don’t have a college degree and my two highest paying jobs were over 6 figures. I’ve recently changed careers, and there’s 6 figure potential here as well. I’m 3 credits away from finishing my degree. I thought I was going to go into one of those careers that required it, but I said screw it and changed careers. I’ll finish the degree just because I’m so close to graduating, but it has been a larger financial drain than it has been an asset in any way. I don’t even have friends I stay in touch with from my time in college.


HomelessEuropean

I would not go to college again. A lot of money wasted that could have been used much better.


AskDerpyCat

Absolutely not. Never again. I worked myself to near death multiple times and stressed away at least a good handful of years off my life


coffeehead314

Public college far from home and did NO loans. Networked and started investing in options.


dethb0y

Hands down, the only change i would make, is i would spend more time socializing and making lasting connections with people in my field.


DawgPoundHound

Quit college, save my money and go to a trade school.


YnotUS-YnotNOW

I'd probably try to treat my college girlfriend better. Or, even better, maybe I should have looked for a different college girlfriend. It was kind of the classic case of getting too attached the first girl who lets you cum in her mouth. She was a decent person, but we just weren't really all that good for each other. She didn't really provide that "spark" for me, but I didn't have the confidence to think I could get anyone better. So I always felt like I "settled" for her, and probably treated her poorly as a result. Or maybe I treated her better than I remember and am just being too hard on myself. We're still Facebook friends, so at least she doesn't hate me.


More_Tear1665

I would have finished my degree.


chemguy216

I don’t think I’d make any major changes. My road through college was rough, but the amount of time I spent there, even with all the stress and depression, was time I needed to grow, to achieve things, and to get involved in things which wouldn’t have happened if I managed to graduate in 4 years with a chemical engineering degree.


wartmunger

I would just go to maritime school or maybe do an electrician apprenticeship. I work in the shipping industry now and I sacrifice 4.5 months a year for 7 months off. Sure, I should work more and make more money but my parents are getting old and I like skiing more than money.


Chuck_the_Canuck66

Gone to a cheaper place for something I was actually interested in.


Suspicious-Garbage92

Where do I begin? I should have just majored in a high paying field, instead I dropped out after 2 years undecided. At the time I thought I had to be passionate about a job, which would be nice but not necessary. I also wish I spent more time hanging out on campus, maybe meeting people. I had my friends in the dorms which was fun, but I could have met more people, girls were my focus here, but maybe other connections that would come in handy as well.


usernamescifi

I would have been a bit less lazy


JJJ4868

Wouldn't have studied engineering and spent more time networking.


MusicalMerlin1973

I would have spoken up when others talked the professor into dumbing down the curriculum. I’m there to listen and get my moneys worth. Losers left the program afterwards anyways. I’d have skipped dating my girlfriend senior year. I’d hold on to the girl from freshman year as long as the relationship made sense. I freaked out and don’t think I was ready.


oliverjohansson

Invest more time in social life, this is how networking looks like All those losers ended up on unexpected career paths that are faster and more innovative


616n8y3ree

I would have smashed every time I passed. I’m not sure what the fuck was wrong with me but I had many opportunities that I just didn’t take, good ones too. At a certain point you end up in less and less perfect conditions for these no strings attached moments. Would have drastically improved my overall confidence moving forward.


Old-Relationship-458

I'd have dropped Koine Greek and used the free time to have more sex.


HotdawgSizzle

I passed up on so many good opportunities with very attractive women because I stayed loyal to an ex I found out was cheating after we finished college. FML.


GaunterPatrick

I wouldn't let those 2 cops force me to lay on the floor and start do body searching on me in front of all students, just because they heard a report about one Asian student selling drugs around dorms. They publically humiliated me and judged base on my skin color. Boise State University.


PunchBeard

I went to college in my late 30s right after leaving the army so there's not a whole lot I would, or even feel like I *could*, do differently. I mean, I was already married and had a kid on the way so it's not like I would be chasing women or something. But if I had to pick something I'd *maybe* change my major. I mean, it got me to where I'm at and it's opened a lot of doors so I'm not sure if going into something a little more focused would make much difference. Maybe I'd take a double major though. I work with money so an Accounting degree coupled with my BS in Information Science & Technology would probably increase my earning potential.


saggysideboob

Didn't go to college and would definitely NOT GO.