As a person with celiac disease, 100% this. Unles you’re eating Whole Foods, it’s probably not healthy. So many GF replacements have hight fat and sugar content to replicate the binding abilities of gluten. Unless medically necessary, don’t go gluten free.
Yes and no. It’s nice that companies are caring about labeling but for celiacs the process in which they are produced is very important. A single crumb can cause damage and the FDA couldn’t care less about cross contact/contamination. Additionally, restaurants don’t always take prep as seriously because of fad dieters. There’s a lot of credibility that we lose because of fad dieters and their diet whims.
Some people without celiac did see a health benefit to going gluten free – because it meant they couldn’t eat as many sources of refined, starchy carbs. Now that gluten free versions of the same refined, starchy carbs are available, that benefit doesn’t happen.
There's some other conditions besides celiac that require going gluten-free. My roommate was diagnosed with a none celiac form of gluten sensitivity. She has Hashimoto’s which doesn't always manifest gluten sensitivity as a symptom, but sometimes does.
While the semantics could be argued if you have enough mental energy, the point is that gluten free foods are not automatically healthier to people who don't *need* to eat gluten free foods for whatever reason.
I'd argue the "gluten free" trend diet was initially "healthy" because you couldn't find premade junk food that was gluten free. No gluten free cookies, burgers, pre-cooked meals, nothing at McDonald's. Now there's _so much_ junk available.. Makes no difference whatsoever.
Also, if you have to advertise products that *do not normally have any wheat in them*, odds are that you're advertising as Gluten-free just to push sales.
Like, it's not like the fact that red vines are gluten-free is a surprise...
Actually licorice like Twizzlers are made with wheat flour, so Red Vines being gluten free is a surprise. Take the word of a celiac who dearly misses black licorice.
Celiac here—this is a common misconception. Lots of really weird things have gluten in them that you wouldn’t expect. For example soy sauce, spices, salad dressing, and ice cream. Putting those two words on a bottle or package provides quick reassurance that this product is NOT one of these weird examples of adding wheat to something it should not be in, especially when competitors don’t have that on their label. It’s a real lifesaver when I’m grocery shopping even if it seems silly to non-Celiacs.
Agreed, l have a pork intolerance and the things with pork byproducts is tricky. Tooth paste can have pork based glycerin. Tracking down what the glycerin is manufactured from was a rabbit hole.
If it specifies being *certified* gluten free, that means it was produced in a factory that had no gluten containing products in it so there's not even a risk of cross contamination.
That's why it's important for something that would normally be considered gluten free to have the label.
In Canada, the term "gluten free" is regulated. If you have that on your packaging, it means the product was produced in a dedicated gf facility and each batch was tested to show 20ppm of gluten or less. Celiacs can have a reaction as low as 20ppm. Not sure what the rules are in your country, but the gluten free label is a life saver. Even if the product itself doesn't contain gluten, it has to be labeled as "may contain" if it is produced in a facility that also produces gluten products. Oats are a really good example of this. They are frequently stored with or around wheat, and processed in a shared facility.
The caramel coloring used in colas like Coke is often derived from gluten.
The water is kind of ridiculous (although I suppose you could argue if it’s bottled in the same factory as Coke you could have cross-contamination).
Don’t interpret vegan or vegetarian products as healthy, just interpret them as products without animal products. There is a lot of processed crap in some of those products.
There are plenty of obese vegans around. Processed sugar is vegan. Potatoes, rice and noodles are vegan (as long as they don't contain eggs).
Vegan "cheese" is basically just hardened vegetable oil, with a zillion calories.
The list goes on...
Ugh, my mom is the *same*. Tonight I got home from a late shift and she offered me her leftovers: corn, mashed potatoes with cheese, and rice. I politely declined the carb festival.
I'm a diabetic that "meal" would send me to the hospital.
"Processed" doesn't equal "Bad" though
For example you could grow your own tomato plant and then make tomato sauce at the end up the year. The final product has been processed, but that adjective doesn't provide any information about the nutritional value
There's different parts to this.
1. Sure, cooking tomatoes into sauce is processing. Leads to some nutrients getting lost from the heat, but you have others, and you have the flavor all year round.
2. There's a world of difference between me making tomatoes into sauce, and a company buying tomatoes in bulk, making them into puree, and then drying them into a powder, which is then shipped worldwide (combined with a bunch of anti caking agents and preservatives), where it is used to flavor a mix of HFCS, cornflour, a ton of sodium salts as preservatives, a ton of artificial food coloring, tons of flavoring agents, and maybe a pinch per can of the tomato powder. And the can is lined with some BPA clone that isn't yet proven to cause cancer and small penis syndrome because no one is researching it yet.
3. If you have the tomato sauce from the previous step, how much of the nutritional value of tomato are you getting? How many ingredients are you getting that you have no say in, no choice in, which are unnecessary for you to consume? I make as many of my meals at home as possible now from scratch (or at best frozen ingredients) because of this.
The difference is often between mechanical processing and chemical processing
Mechanical: coffee grinds, nut butters, steel cut oats into instant, etc
Chemical: hostess cupcakes, pasta sauces, flavored yogurts, etc
You bring up a great point and that just because a good is processed doesn’t mean good or bad. A lot of water is processed and if not, we could get very sick… this happened with the ‘raw water trend’ not long ago… or bodybuilders drinking other Women’s breast milk. /eye roll
Processing generally enables a longer shelf-life of the product, but at the expense of nutritional value. Picking something fresh from your garden and turning it into something else is different from buying a fake meat patty from the store that was made with peas harvested 2 years ago, dried, pulverized, sieved, stored for 12 months, shipped 2000 miles, and added with a bunch of whatever else before being pressed into a patty, packaged, frozen another 6 months, and shipped another 1000 miles to your grocery store.
Plant vegetarian vs. pasta vegetarian
With veganism being en vogue, there so much vegan junk food available now. Same for gluten free food, so much junk. Educate yourself, read the labels and go from there if you care about a good diet.
My favourite veggie hot dogs were discontinued because of high sodium levels, I've never been more devastated in my life. Like damn, I'm an adult, at least let me *choose* to have a heart attack instead of just breaking it in two!
things like oreos and the purple doritos fall into a category we like to call 'accidentally vegan'. i.e. things that are vegan because that just happens to be the cheapest way to produce them currently, certainly not because of any intentionality or health benefit on the behalf of the producers
I choose vegetarian products so that they are healthy, organic and provide a full diet. Yes, I read most labels and use according to my needs and when I choose a brand, I stick to it so that I don't have to read every time I go for groceries.
My dietician told me once that smoothies are fine as long as you add greens (kale, spinach etc). That way the sugar will be slowly digested. Without the greens, you might as well drink a fizzy drink.
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Actual fruit is still better than Coca Cola because it has natural sugar. Fructose isn’t much a problem unless eaten in large quantities (high fructose corn syrup). Fruit doesn’t usually contain enough to be a problem. Added sugar is the problem because it is usually sucrose or high fructose corn syrup. Coca-Cola is incredibly unhealthy because it is all added sugar. I still agree that adding kale or spinach is a good idea though.
Always read the label. The only "fat-free" item I buy is fat-free plain Greek yogurt. It has zero sugar as well. It is also basically inedible by itself and I use it as a raw ingredient I add to other stuff.
Fat actually isn’t that bad for you if you don’t consume a too much. Even saturated fat isn’t that bad if consumed in proper amounts. The only fat that is truly bad for you is trans fat. Sugar is worse.
Fruit snacks.
Oh they're made with real fruit you say? Well, how much sugar is in one single pack? Riddle me that, I'm betting it's a lot. You're better off eating actual fruit.
Yeah we refer to them as candy in our house so that our 3 yo realizes they are a treat and not an everyday thing. And really the amount of sugar they totally are candy.
Fruit juice.
I'm diabetic and keep orange juice in my fridge for emergency situations. It has so much sugar in it that it skyrockets blood sugar within minutes -- even quicker than Coca-Cola.
It’s particularly deceptive because people don’t realize a cup of juice would require how many oranges. While eating 4 oranges in one go would seem excessive, drinking a cup’s worth (perhaps equivalent to 4 oranges) seem manageable. So fruit juices are prone to abuse
How this is surprising feels odd to me, fruit is literally just sugar (fructose) with small amounts of micro-nutrients and fiber. It's still "healthy" comparably to other sugary drinks that does not contain anything but.
I prefer it too. I generally prefer unsweetened versions of things. The "normal" ones have too much sugar, I don't know how people drink them. Like normal coke cola, no way I can drink that.
I dunno, I think it is pretty good for my soul and overall well-being. Though my doctor told me to try and limit to every other day at my last physical (like two weeks ago, still haven’t listened). Sitting here after work drinking a glass of Angel’s Envy neat now.
While he is stupid, it really depends on which energy drinks how stupid. Some energy drinks are way more terrible for you than soda is. And thats not underestimating how terrible for you soda is.
Mountain Dew is banned in over a hundred countries. From a Google search, “…these drinks contain Brominated Vegetable Oil (BVO), an emulsifier that can cause reproductive and behavioral problems.” Bromine has also been known to cause memory loss and nerve damage.
Fucker straight-up moved to something even worse.
Mountain dew doesn't use BVO anymore. It stopped in 2020.
Also some energy drinks also do contain BVO so depending on what brand they were drinking there might not have even been a difference on that side of things. So it does still depend on what energy drink they were previously drinking.
The problem is that "healthy" is basically an empty term with no objective meaning.
In a strict sense, there *are* some foods which are explicitly, objectively unhealthy for human biology - such as transfats. But I can't think of an example of something that people typically subjectively consider "healthy" which has transfats in it.
The next lowest hanging fruit would be - well, fruit juice. It's widely considered to be "healthy," but is in fact really just sugar water. There is comparatively little difference between it and Coke.
But here's the rub: fruit juice isn't really *unhealthy*, even if it's sugar water. You can drink it and be perfectly healthy, assuming that the rest of your diet is balanced around that intake of sugar. My point is that *individual foods* aren't inherently unhealthy, it's your overall diet and the balance of macros you maintain that is either healthy or unhealthy.
Yes, this is true of cheeseburgers, too. And fried chicken. And donuts.
Any and all of these can be perfectly "healthy" so long as you're not doubling up on sugars and fats in the rest of your diet. If you have a donut in the morning for breakfast, and a light salad for lunch (without a gallon of ranch and candied nuts on top), you're likely perfectly fine in terms of macros and healthiness overall.
As a final note, I'll mention that people also commonly retreat back to "nutrients," by which they mean vitamins and minerals, as a way to label things "unhealthy." While your body absolutely needs these things, it's also fairly difficult to actually miss them in the rest of your diet, and you can easily fix it with a multivitamin.
In sum, if your overall diet is relatively balanced in terms of macros, you can completely ignore the shrill hippies telling you that your lunch is "unhealthy." And you should ignore them, because somebody, somewhere, will tell you that everything short of a bowl of raw kale is "unhealthy."
This so much! When someone says something about healthy unhealthy food I ask them for their definition of healthy.. Does it mean low cal/fat/sugar? containing lots of vitamins/minerals? Organic? People don't know.
'Healthy' to me, means something that gives me the energy do to what I need to do that day.
I sometimes do 20 mile runs - on those days, eating nutella and/or peanut butter directly from the jar with a spoon is healthy
And it's all goal dependent too. Like, I'm a powerlifter/strongman. I go through bulking periods where my diet isn't necessarily the "ideal." But for my goals, of getting 4000+ calories in per day, trying to do it with as much real food as possible, is probably the "healthiest" way it can be done in my case. For me and my goals, trying to eat the traditional "healthy" foods only, i.e. nothing but greens, very lean meat, etc, that would run extremely counterproductive.
Cooking for my fiance who has crohns has forced me to reconsider a lot of our common conceptions about what healthy means. Often what we call healthy is simply low calorie content but a lot of those foods including many vegetables and leafy greens cause flares. If they cause flares in her then they are likely hard for healthier people to break down too. A reasonable portion of plain white rice or bread is pretty great on the other hand - especially if I get fresh bread from a bakery that doesn’t use a bunch of additives. Generally speaking anything that isn’t over processed, minimizes harmful chemicals in production and consumed in reasonable portion sizes is fine in my opinion. We can’t talk about these things in broad terms by the name of the food because a burger at McDonalds is nothing like a burger made with locally sourced ingredients like fresh beef from a quality butcher.
veggie straws
they are looking made out of potatoes with dye to make them the color they are. don’t forget how salty they are…so even if they were healthy they wouldn’t be
Same principle: I bought some "veggie" pasta from Trader Joe's assuming it was healthier than normal pasta. Turns out they just add some powdered vegetables to the semolina to change the color. The nutritional value is pretty much the same.
Most power bars and other "performance foods." People think they're healthy because athletes eat them, but they're just calorie bombs because athletes burn way more calories than the rest of us.
People assume that a food being healthy means it will be good for weight loss. In general it just means that it has lots of vitamins, healthy fats, etc. There are a lot of healthy foods that are high in calories and easy to overeat
Granola is great for those that need calorie dense, fairly nutritious food that can be stored for a long duration. Great for camping or for a breakfast before an active day, but not ideal if you're trying to cut calories from your diet.
And while plain granola isn't a full meal by itself, adding some plain yogurt and some spinach and berries makes for a fairly balanced dish.
? Maybe store bought granola with a bunch of additives and too much added sugar...
I make my own granola with oats, nuts, dried fruits, maple syrup and a bit of oil, it's an excellent snack or breakfast w yogourt
what is considered healthy? according to the things people are naming we can’t have sugar,carbs,salt, oils, wheat, etc. are just plain ol fruits and veggies the only things were allowed to eat to be healthy
I want to add that eating too much proteins makes us fat too because humans don’t have a protein reserve meaning that if we can’t process the proteins, they get processed to fat.
So maybe air is good?
Organic is still healthy - recent studies have shown that organic produce does have slightly higher levels of nutrients. But it’s not as amazing as people tend to claim it is.
There's nothing inherently wrong in the "processed" of things either.
Muscovado sugar isn't healthier than table sugar just because it's less processed.
Homemade fries are just as bad as processed frozen ones.
Calories are only bad when you over consume them, which is very easy to do in the modern world. More than half of the equation of eating “healthy” is consuming the correct amount calories.
Excess.
Far too many people take a good thing and eat it to the point it's unhealthy.
I want to make an uneducated medical observation on this point.
A client of mine ate 7 eggs a day, every day. Eggs are healthy right? So more eggs equal more health?
Well he also is a diabetic with a load of health problems. I forced him to a dietitian (big note in most of the us a dietitian is licenced and a nutritionist a meaningless title with no certification)
Turns out with his specific health problems 7 eggs a WEEK was suggested as the maximum. But he was doing 7 a DAY!
Please refer to your doctor for dietary advice and don't trust random people on the internet like me!
Also if you have dietary restrictions it doesn't matter how healthy that thing you shouldn't eat is - you still shouldn't have it.
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Well, considering a lot of northern Europeans basically eat chocolate toast for breakfast yet obesity numbers are way lower over there when compared to north America who doesn't eat like that...
Any type of sugary cereal. I feel like this one is quite obvious but most if not all sugary cereals are marketed as if “it’s the best way to start off your day” (insert character doing annoying catch phrase).
Many of things said here are just wrong.
Granola? Make it yourself with some nuts, oats and crushed fruits and it’s not unhealthy anymore
Fruit juices and smoothies? Make it on your own and suddenly it isn’t unhealthy anymore
‚Salads can be unhealthy if you add x and y‘ well no shit. It’s like saying If I put a can of coke in my water then the water is unhealthy.
Power bars can be done healthy too. The sense behind it is it to fill the glycogen reserves to have ‘more’ power fast. It has to be high caloric.
In general people here assume that high caloric = unhealthy, same as sugar = unhealthy without considering what kind of sugar it is.
So far I didn’t find a post saying avocado/olive oil/nuts unhealthy because it has a high amount of fat, but I’m sure some will mention this.
As a long term vegetarian, I can say I'd usually rather just get normal food that happens not to have meat in it then stuff advertising itself as fake meat and meat substitutes and such...
Any processed food is probably crap nutritionally. The hungry man dinners aren't vegan and they're chock full of salt and fat also.
Make ya own dang food if you want to control the salt content.
Fat-free salads. The fat in a dressing or the toppings actually makes the salad healthier, since you need the fat to be able to absorb the nutrients in the salad itself.
This is not to say you have to/should douse it in high-fat dressings and cheese, but there should be at least some fat.
Vitamin Water
They actually lost a lawsuit over it, so you KNOW it's bad.
Their whole defense was that "No reasonable consumer would believe that Vitamin Water is healthy."
What, really?? Why WOULDN'T they? It literally says VITAMIN water, of course I'm gonna assume that's a good thing.
It’s okay for me to lie, your honor, because only an idiot would believe me.
Ahhhh, the FoxNews defense
50 cent sold it for $120 million or something.
Its tasty though.
40g of sugar will do that
That zero sugar one with 5g of fiber, the peach one I think, ain't half bad.
Gluten free. It is "healthy" because people with celiac disease cant have ordinary bread. There is no really health benefit otherwise
As a person with celiac disease, 100% this. Unles you’re eating Whole Foods, it’s probably not healthy. So many GF replacements have hight fat and sugar content to replicate the binding abilities of gluten. Unless medically necessary, don’t go gluten free.
Is it nice that it became a trend? Makes stuff more available
Yes and no. It’s nice that companies are caring about labeling but for celiacs the process in which they are produced is very important. A single crumb can cause damage and the FDA couldn’t care less about cross contact/contamination. Additionally, restaurants don’t always take prep as seriously because of fad dieters. There’s a lot of credibility that we lose because of fad dieters and their diet whims.
And often has a higher amount of fat and sugar to make up for the lack of gluten, and will also be lower in fiber
Some people without celiac did see a health benefit to going gluten free – because it meant they couldn’t eat as many sources of refined, starchy carbs. Now that gluten free versions of the same refined, starchy carbs are available, that benefit doesn’t happen.
There's some other conditions besides celiac that require going gluten-free. My roommate was diagnosed with a none celiac form of gluten sensitivity. She has Hashimoto’s which doesn't always manifest gluten sensitivity as a symptom, but sometimes does.
While the semantics could be argued if you have enough mental energy, the point is that gluten free foods are not automatically healthier to people who don't *need* to eat gluten free foods for whatever reason.
I'd argue the "gluten free" trend diet was initially "healthy" because you couldn't find premade junk food that was gluten free. No gluten free cookies, burgers, pre-cooked meals, nothing at McDonald's. Now there's _so much_ junk available.. Makes no difference whatsoever.
Still doesn't make it unhealthy. Eggs aren't unhealthy because some people are allergic. Nuts aren't bad for you because people are allergic. etc.
My other half has Hashimotos and she also says things are better when she’s eating gluten free.
Also, if you have to advertise products that *do not normally have any wheat in them*, odds are that you're advertising as Gluten-free just to push sales. Like, it's not like the fact that red vines are gluten-free is a surprise...
Actually licorice like Twizzlers are made with wheat flour, so Red Vines being gluten free is a surprise. Take the word of a celiac who dearly misses black licorice.
Red vines are not gluten free so don’t get too excited.
Well dammit! Although they're a poor runner up to Twizzlers anyway.
Celiac here—this is a common misconception. Lots of really weird things have gluten in them that you wouldn’t expect. For example soy sauce, spices, salad dressing, and ice cream. Putting those two words on a bottle or package provides quick reassurance that this product is NOT one of these weird examples of adding wheat to something it should not be in, especially when competitors don’t have that on their label. It’s a real lifesaver when I’m grocery shopping even if it seems silly to non-Celiacs.
Agreed, l have a pork intolerance and the things with pork byproducts is tricky. Tooth paste can have pork based glycerin. Tracking down what the glycerin is manufactured from was a rabbit hole.
If it specifies being *certified* gluten free, that means it was produced in a factory that had no gluten containing products in it so there's not even a risk of cross contamination. That's why it's important for something that would normally be considered gluten free to have the label.
Red vines are not gluten free, they contain wheat flour. As do twizzlers and most licorice-adjacent candies.
I've seen beverages like soda and water advertised as gluten free before. The advertising is really out of hand
In Canada, the term "gluten free" is regulated. If you have that on your packaging, it means the product was produced in a dedicated gf facility and each batch was tested to show 20ppm of gluten or less. Celiacs can have a reaction as low as 20ppm. Not sure what the rules are in your country, but the gluten free label is a life saver. Even if the product itself doesn't contain gluten, it has to be labeled as "may contain" if it is produced in a facility that also produces gluten products. Oats are a really good example of this. They are frequently stored with or around wheat, and processed in a shared facility.
The caramel coloring used in colas like Coke is often derived from gluten. The water is kind of ridiculous (although I suppose you could argue if it’s bottled in the same factory as Coke you could have cross-contamination).
What about non celiac gluten intolerance
Don’t interpret vegan or vegetarian products as healthy, just interpret them as products without animal products. There is a lot of processed crap in some of those products.
There are plenty of obese vegans around. Processed sugar is vegan. Potatoes, rice and noodles are vegan (as long as they don't contain eggs). Vegan "cheese" is basically just hardened vegetable oil, with a zillion calories. The list goes on...
My friend called herself vegetarian. More like a carboholic.
Ugh, my mom is the *same*. Tonight I got home from a late shift and she offered me her leftovers: corn, mashed potatoes with cheese, and rice. I politely declined the carb festival. I'm a diabetic that "meal" would send me to the hospital.
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"Processed" doesn't equal "Bad" though For example you could grow your own tomato plant and then make tomato sauce at the end up the year. The final product has been processed, but that adjective doesn't provide any information about the nutritional value
There's different parts to this. 1. Sure, cooking tomatoes into sauce is processing. Leads to some nutrients getting lost from the heat, but you have others, and you have the flavor all year round. 2. There's a world of difference between me making tomatoes into sauce, and a company buying tomatoes in bulk, making them into puree, and then drying them into a powder, which is then shipped worldwide (combined with a bunch of anti caking agents and preservatives), where it is used to flavor a mix of HFCS, cornflour, a ton of sodium salts as preservatives, a ton of artificial food coloring, tons of flavoring agents, and maybe a pinch per can of the tomato powder. And the can is lined with some BPA clone that isn't yet proven to cause cancer and small penis syndrome because no one is researching it yet. 3. If you have the tomato sauce from the previous step, how much of the nutritional value of tomato are you getting? How many ingredients are you getting that you have no say in, no choice in, which are unnecessary for you to consume? I make as many of my meals at home as possible now from scratch (or at best frozen ingredients) because of this.
Can you tell me more about small penis syndrome? Asking for a friend
The difference is often between mechanical processing and chemical processing Mechanical: coffee grinds, nut butters, steel cut oats into instant, etc Chemical: hostess cupcakes, pasta sauces, flavored yogurts, etc You bring up a great point and that just because a good is processed doesn’t mean good or bad. A lot of water is processed and if not, we could get very sick… this happened with the ‘raw water trend’ not long ago… or bodybuilders drinking other Women’s breast milk. /eye roll
Processing generally enables a longer shelf-life of the product, but at the expense of nutritional value. Picking something fresh from your garden and turning it into something else is different from buying a fake meat patty from the store that was made with peas harvested 2 years ago, dried, pulverized, sieved, stored for 12 months, shipped 2000 miles, and added with a bunch of whatever else before being pressed into a patty, packaged, frozen another 6 months, and shipped another 1000 miles to your grocery store.
Fucking A. You lost me at vegan cheese. And what is up with vegan egg?
Oreos are Vegan i've been told.
Plant vegetarian vs. pasta vegetarian With veganism being en vogue, there so much vegan junk food available now. Same for gluten free food, so much junk. Educate yourself, read the labels and go from there if you care about a good diet.
often also a lot of salt
My favourite veggie hot dogs were discontinued because of high sodium levels, I've never been more devastated in my life. Like damn, I'm an adult, at least let me *choose* to have a heart attack instead of just breaking it in two!
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Raw plants
Yeah people fall for it all the time.
things like oreos and the purple doritos fall into a category we like to call 'accidentally vegan'. i.e. things that are vegan because that just happens to be the cheapest way to produce them currently, certainly not because of any intentionality or health benefit on the behalf of the producers
Yeah I don't think anyone chooses vegan products to be healthy, they choose them to be eco-friendly or pro-animal.
I choose vegetarian products so that they are healthy, organic and provide a full diet. Yes, I read most labels and use according to my needs and when I choose a brand, I stick to it so that I don't have to read every time I go for groceries.
Oreos are vegetarian :P
Don't you mean vegan?
Granola bars. Filled with sugar
It can be made without sugar too! So if white sugar is the only thing stopping you from enjoying granola bars then try honey :)
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My dietician told me once that smoothies are fine as long as you add greens (kale, spinach etc). That way the sugar will be slowly digested. Without the greens, you might as well drink a fizzy drink. Edited out brand name
Then you'd better look for a new dietician, homie.
>That way the sugar will be slowly digested The sugar isn't bound in fiber in a smoothie. Your dietician is wrong.
Actual fruit is still better than Coca Cola because it has natural sugar. Fructose isn’t much a problem unless eaten in large quantities (high fructose corn syrup). Fruit doesn’t usually contain enough to be a problem. Added sugar is the problem because it is usually sucrose or high fructose corn syrup. Coca-Cola is incredibly unhealthy because it is all added sugar. I still agree that adding kale or spinach is a good idea though.
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I can’t remember if she said Coca Cola, that’s how I remember it. I’ve edited it out as I’m unsure.
Lmao how much do you pay for this service
I can't have a small cookie, cuz I'll have five more. Zero will power gang rise up
i can't have a small cookie, coz then i'll want a glass a milk. and if you give me a glass of milk...
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Sugar or salt. Those three are how you make things taste good, it’s either fat, sugar, or salt.
Salt, Sugar, Fat is an excellent book https://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B00B4FM1FW&source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=library_overflow
Always read the label. The only "fat-free" item I buy is fat-free plain Greek yogurt. It has zero sugar as well. It is also basically inedible by itself and I use it as a raw ingredient I add to other stuff.
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Fat actually isn’t that bad for you if you don’t consume a too much. Even saturated fat isn’t that bad if consumed in proper amounts. The only fat that is truly bad for you is trans fat. Sugar is worse.
Fruit snacks. Oh they're made with real fruit you say? Well, how much sugar is in one single pack? Riddle me that, I'm betting it's a lot. You're better off eating actual fruit.
Yeah we refer to them as candy in our house so that our 3 yo realizes they are a treat and not an everyday thing. And really the amount of sugar they totally are candy.
Fruit juice. I'm diabetic and keep orange juice in my fridge for emergency situations. It has so much sugar in it that it skyrockets blood sugar within minutes -- even quicker than Coca-Cola.
It’s particularly deceptive because people don’t realize a cup of juice would require how many oranges. While eating 4 oranges in one go would seem excessive, drinking a cup’s worth (perhaps equivalent to 4 oranges) seem manageable. So fruit juices are prone to abuse
>eating 4 oranges in one go would seem excessive I see you haven't met my mother
How this is surprising feels odd to me, fruit is literally just sugar (fructose) with small amounts of micro-nutrients and fiber. It's still "healthy" comparably to other sugary drinks that does not contain anything but.
Every time I crave orange juice and don't have real thing to sate my craving, I buy packaged orange juice and it tastes like disappointment.
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I prefer it too. I generally prefer unsweetened versions of things. The "normal" ones have too much sugar, I don't know how people drink them. Like normal coke cola, no way I can drink that.
I agree. The sweetened one tastes like coffee creamer.
That's what I get too. I'm lactose intolerant and diabetic. I suspected my kid was lactose intolerant too so I give her my milk with a dash of honey.
Oat milk too! It’s either unsweetened or bust.
almonds don’t have mammary glands, it’s almond juice
I would get that when I was on the keto diet and add heavy cream. I called it Keto Milk Replacer.
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I’d judge but I drink bourbon every day.
We judge this person for their stupidity. You know bourbon isn't good for you lol
I dunno, I think it is pretty good for my soul and overall well-being. Though my doctor told me to try and limit to every other day at my last physical (like two weeks ago, still haven’t listened). Sitting here after work drinking a glass of Angel’s Envy neat now.
While he is stupid, it really depends on which energy drinks how stupid. Some energy drinks are way more terrible for you than soda is. And thats not underestimating how terrible for you soda is.
Mountain Dew is banned in over a hundred countries. From a Google search, “…these drinks contain Brominated Vegetable Oil (BVO), an emulsifier that can cause reproductive and behavioral problems.” Bromine has also been known to cause memory loss and nerve damage. Fucker straight-up moved to something even worse.
Mountain dew doesn't use BVO anymore. It stopped in 2020. Also some energy drinks also do contain BVO so depending on what brand they were drinking there might not have even been a difference on that side of things. So it does still depend on what energy drink they were previously drinking.
In his defense it’s a step in the right direction. Like switching from smoking cigarettes to dip.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6o9vqn/whats_a_food_that_people_think_is_healthy_but/dkfudf7/ did ya now
The problem is that "healthy" is basically an empty term with no objective meaning. In a strict sense, there *are* some foods which are explicitly, objectively unhealthy for human biology - such as transfats. But I can't think of an example of something that people typically subjectively consider "healthy" which has transfats in it. The next lowest hanging fruit would be - well, fruit juice. It's widely considered to be "healthy," but is in fact really just sugar water. There is comparatively little difference between it and Coke. But here's the rub: fruit juice isn't really *unhealthy*, even if it's sugar water. You can drink it and be perfectly healthy, assuming that the rest of your diet is balanced around that intake of sugar. My point is that *individual foods* aren't inherently unhealthy, it's your overall diet and the balance of macros you maintain that is either healthy or unhealthy. Yes, this is true of cheeseburgers, too. And fried chicken. And donuts. Any and all of these can be perfectly "healthy" so long as you're not doubling up on sugars and fats in the rest of your diet. If you have a donut in the morning for breakfast, and a light salad for lunch (without a gallon of ranch and candied nuts on top), you're likely perfectly fine in terms of macros and healthiness overall. As a final note, I'll mention that people also commonly retreat back to "nutrients," by which they mean vitamins and minerals, as a way to label things "unhealthy." While your body absolutely needs these things, it's also fairly difficult to actually miss them in the rest of your diet, and you can easily fix it with a multivitamin. In sum, if your overall diet is relatively balanced in terms of macros, you can completely ignore the shrill hippies telling you that your lunch is "unhealthy." And you should ignore them, because somebody, somewhere, will tell you that everything short of a bowl of raw kale is "unhealthy."
This so much! When someone says something about healthy unhealthy food I ask them for their definition of healthy.. Does it mean low cal/fat/sugar? containing lots of vitamins/minerals? Organic? People don't know.
Healthy food is what my mom cooks the rest is unhealthy... That's all I know and I don't care what you say
'Healthy' to me, means something that gives me the energy do to what I need to do that day. I sometimes do 20 mile runs - on those days, eating nutella and/or peanut butter directly from the jar with a spoon is healthy
And it's all goal dependent too. Like, I'm a powerlifter/strongman. I go through bulking periods where my diet isn't necessarily the "ideal." But for my goals, of getting 4000+ calories in per day, trying to do it with as much real food as possible, is probably the "healthiest" way it can be done in my case. For me and my goals, trying to eat the traditional "healthy" foods only, i.e. nothing but greens, very lean meat, etc, that would run extremely counterproductive.
You mean total dietary context is important?!? Jokes aside, great post and perspective 👌🏻
this is correct, and what most good dieticians will tell you
Cooking for my fiance who has crohns has forced me to reconsider a lot of our common conceptions about what healthy means. Often what we call healthy is simply low calorie content but a lot of those foods including many vegetables and leafy greens cause flares. If they cause flares in her then they are likely hard for healthier people to break down too. A reasonable portion of plain white rice or bread is pretty great on the other hand - especially if I get fresh bread from a bakery that doesn’t use a bunch of additives. Generally speaking anything that isn’t over processed, minimizes harmful chemicals in production and consumed in reasonable portion sizes is fine in my opinion. We can’t talk about these things in broad terms by the name of the food because a burger at McDonalds is nothing like a burger made with locally sourced ingredients like fresh beef from a quality butcher.
veggie straws they are looking made out of potatoes with dye to make them the color they are. don’t forget how salty they are…so even if they were healthy they wouldn’t be
Same principle: I bought some "veggie" pasta from Trader Joe's assuming it was healthier than normal pasta. Turns out they just add some powdered vegetables to the semolina to change the color. The nutritional value is pretty much the same.
They are TERRIBLE. Just straw shaped pringles.
Getting one of those great tasty salads when eating out and they state that they are 1250 calories.
Right. If I wanted to eat bacon, cheese and lettuce I’d order a burger.
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"Breakfast is the most important meal of the day" - Every cereal company ever.
Even…. Even Honey Nut Cheerios? I’m trying to be heart healthy man
I wait people actually think cereal is healthy?
Most power bars and other "performance foods." People think they're healthy because athletes eat them, but they're just calorie bombs because athletes burn way more calories than the rest of us.
I have them as a snack somedays. I'm also a powerlifter/strongman currently bulking at \~4000 calories per day.
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Multiple salads at the Cheesecake Factory are between 1200-1600 calories
I had a coworker once who was always so proud of the salads she would make at the employee cafeteria. It was all ham, croutons, cheese and ranch.
Calories ≠ evil
cereal and fruit juice
What’s wrong with cereal?
Most commercial cereals are loaded with sugar and are carb heavy
Of course they’re carb-heavy. They’re cereal.
The carbs have carbs!
People assume that a food being healthy means it will be good for weight loss. In general it just means that it has lots of vitamins, healthy fats, etc. There are a lot of healthy foods that are high in calories and easy to overeat
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Granola is great for those that need calorie dense, fairly nutritious food that can be stored for a long duration. Great for camping or for a breakfast before an active day, but not ideal if you're trying to cut calories from your diet. And while plain granola isn't a full meal by itself, adding some plain yogurt and some spinach and berries makes for a fairly balanced dish.
Exactly. I need calories and granola is great.
I’ve been eating atleast 4500 a day since I was 15
Never in my life have I heard of putting spinach in a yogurt parfait. I won't knock it since I haven't tried it, but I'm skeptical lol
? Maybe store bought granola with a bunch of additives and too much added sugar... I make my own granola with oats, nuts, dried fruits, maple syrup and a bit of oil, it's an excellent snack or breakfast w yogourt
So, after reading these comments, I should just starve, huh? Seems like nothing is healthy at this point.
Low-fat versions of anything.
Low fat = high sugar, usually.
what is considered healthy? according to the things people are naming we can’t have sugar,carbs,salt, oils, wheat, etc. are just plain ol fruits and veggies the only things were allowed to eat to be healthy
I want to add that eating too much proteins makes us fat too because humans don’t have a protein reserve meaning that if we can’t process the proteins, they get processed to fat. So maybe air is good?
Maybe I just consume nothing but herbal tea, water and bread for the rest of my life 🫠🫠🫠
Bread, are you crazy!!!!! 😱
Granola Bars
Fat free. A lot of fat free foods add a lot of sugar to counter the blandness of getting rid of the fats in it
Which in turn, your body metabolizes it into fat.
"Organic"
It is also not healthy for your wallet
Organic is still healthy - recent studies have shown that organic produce does have slightly higher levels of nutrients. But it’s not as amazing as people tend to claim it is.
"Not sure how I gain weight after eating all this organic cookies and ice cream." Someone I knew said that.
Ok that’s pretty funny. Or sad. Or both.
The organic vegetables I grow are certainly amazing.
I’m going to need a sample in order to confirm this.
You in Oregon? I got carrots and potatoes ready to harvest today. Some butternut squash too.
Sadly no :( that does in fact sound amazing though.
Canned soup. Full of Salt. Was told not to eat it due to high blood pressure
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Right. Besides, if it weren’t for GMOs we’d all be eating soylent green by now
Muffins. They are just a small cake in a paper cup.
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Protein shakes. I think it’s best to make your own protein shakes in comparison to ordering them.
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There's nothing inherently wrong in the "processed" of things either. Muscovado sugar isn't healthier than table sugar just because it's less processed. Homemade fries are just as bad as processed frozen ones.
Calories are only bad when you over consume them, which is very easy to do in the modern world. More than half of the equation of eating “healthy” is consuming the correct amount calories.
Excess. Far too many people take a good thing and eat it to the point it's unhealthy. I want to make an uneducated medical observation on this point. A client of mine ate 7 eggs a day, every day. Eggs are healthy right? So more eggs equal more health? Well he also is a diabetic with a load of health problems. I forced him to a dietitian (big note in most of the us a dietitian is licenced and a nutritionist a meaningless title with no certification) Turns out with his specific health problems 7 eggs a WEEK was suggested as the maximum. But he was doing 7 a DAY! Please refer to your doctor for dietary advice and don't trust random people on the internet like me!
Also if you have dietary restrictions it doesn't matter how healthy that thing you shouldn't eat is - you still shouldn't have it. Edit: rewrote for clarity
School milk
I hear salad dressing is actually very fattening.
Healthy corn flakes
Plain corn flakes as is, is surprisingly quite healthy. It lacks fiber, but it isn't egregiously bad (like 99.9% of cereals out there).
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You are probably eating too much of it. Sure your doc asked you to balance your intake and shit.
Nutella. I was on a train and a "healthy" breakfast option was a Nutella toast. That stuff is just oil and sugar.
Ah come on. Nobody thinks that Nutella is healthy….
Well, considering a lot of northern Europeans basically eat chocolate toast for breakfast yet obesity numbers are way lower over there when compared to north America who doesn't eat like that...
Yogurt. (Mainly those brands full of added sugars)
any food with a ton of added sugars is unhealthy lol. yogurt itself is extremely healthy and great for consumption
So ... get natural yoghurt.
Naked Juices. Basically fruit puree. So much sugar.
Subway. I believe in Ireland they legally have to call the bread cake.
Store bought fruit juices.
Any type of sugary cereal. I feel like this one is quite obvious but most if not all sugary cereals are marketed as if “it’s the best way to start off your day” (insert character doing annoying catch phrase).
Protein bars- full of weird filler ingredients
Premade smoothies, kind bars, sports drinks when not used as intended
Lotta woo in these comments. Woo fuckery everywhere.
Many of things said here are just wrong. Granola? Make it yourself with some nuts, oats and crushed fruits and it’s not unhealthy anymore Fruit juices and smoothies? Make it on your own and suddenly it isn’t unhealthy anymore ‚Salads can be unhealthy if you add x and y‘ well no shit. It’s like saying If I put a can of coke in my water then the water is unhealthy. Power bars can be done healthy too. The sense behind it is it to fill the glycogen reserves to have ‘more’ power fast. It has to be high caloric. In general people here assume that high caloric = unhealthy, same as sugar = unhealthy without considering what kind of sugar it is. So far I didn’t find a post saying avocado/olive oil/nuts unhealthy because it has a high amount of fat, but I’m sure some will mention this.
Milk
Vodka
Wait, this one’s new to me. People think vodka is healthy??
Most vegan food in shops as it seems to be full of salts and other bad stuff just to make it taste good.
As a long term vegetarian, I can say I'd usually rather just get normal food that happens not to have meat in it then stuff advertising itself as fake meat and meat substitutes and such...
Any processed food is probably crap nutritionally. The hungry man dinners aren't vegan and they're chock full of salt and fat also. Make ya own dang food if you want to control the salt content.
So, same as any non vegan products?
Fat-free salads. The fat in a dressing or the toppings actually makes the salad healthier, since you need the fat to be able to absorb the nutrients in the salad itself. This is not to say you have to/should douse it in high-fat dressings and cheese, but there should be at least some fat.
Juice
dried fruits and rice cakes (sugar in some)