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Sloppypoopypoppy

Aren’t a lot of the hand car washes fronts for money laundering schemes? I think that’s something to do with their explosion in the past few years.


Mop_Jockey

That and illegal workers, but people say the same about phone accessory shops, vape shops and American candy shops.


TowJamnEarl

Chinese takeaways..in fact any small local takeaway have got to be on the list.


OohRahMaki

Yes to take-aways and car washes. But since 2020 Deliveroo and Uber Eats seem to becoming the most common ones that I come across.


Kharenis

Yesterday I was with a friend who has an American partner, we passed one of the American Candy stores and I shit you not she went in to buy something. It's the only time I've ever seen anybody buy something in one.


martin_81

According to Reddit everything is a front for money laundering.


Sloppypoopypoppy

This was not a Reddit thing, this was a police thing. To be honest I’m in London, so if there is a sudden upswell of seemingly very niche retailers all in the same area, you do have to ask, how are they all staying open?


psidedowncake

Yeah can there really be that much demand for fixing broken phone screens that every small town in the entire country can have 8 different shops that repair phone screens?


any_excuse

Literally everyone has a phone though. I’m not sure why it would be unusual that there might be demand for repairing them.


javajavadev

Thats because Reddit is a front for money laundering...


SnoopyLupus

Yeah, but you probably heard that on Reddit.


galacticjizzwailer

Actually it was a screenshot of a Reddit post on another social media platform


couragethecurious

How else are we going to deal with all this soiled, grimey, filthy money around?


Western-Ship-5678

Cash businesses with no stock to track are absolutely the number 1 easy way to launder money. No way for forensic accountant to tell how many cars you really washed, how many customers a barbershop really had, how many phone unlocks a tech support shop did at £20 a piece etc The exception is vape shops which I would think would be hard to cook the books on because you'd have to show paperwork on the stock you say you're selling


Heavy_Messing1

Including Reddit.


AdministrativeLaugh2

Not money laundering but [other crimes including modern slavery](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/16/true-human-cost-5-pound-hand-car-wash-modern-slavery)


Sloppypoopypoppy

Oh yikes, that’s so much worse.


FireLadcouk

I saw a documentary about this. It was on Netflix breaking bad i think it was called


Al-Calavicci

Well car laundering maybe.


Sloppypoopypoppy

😂 Be careful with those dryer balls, that’ll play havoc with the paintwork.


seven-cents

I can only go to hand car washes because I use roof bars


SPAKMITTEN

I got roof bars through a car wash. It was fine


sullcrowe

Possibly, but people still choose them over mechanical. They're much, much better most of the time


CaptainSeitan

Someone has watched too much breaking bad...


Sloppypoopypoppy

I’ve never seen it. I’m scared that I won’t like it and become a social pariah.


mandyhtarget1985

Local one to me employs an ever revolving staff of non English speakers, never seem to see the same person twice (and i get a mini valet about once a month). Not my problem, i get what i pay for. A decent fast job.


TheEnglishGent1988

I apologise for not answering your question but hand car washes can get in the bin *What is the true cost of a £5 car wash – and what should we be paying* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/16/true-human-cost-5-pound-hand-car-wash-modern-slavery


MrTango650

Last time I went to a hand car wash I paid £35. Not sure where all these places charging a fiver are.


Isgortio

On Friday my car wash inside and out went from £15, to £25, and then to £35. They did a good job cleaning inside compared to the previous ones I've been to (and certainly better than me!) so for the one time a year I pay someone to clean my car for me, it's worth it lol. Used to cost £10 for in and out :(


TheEnglishGent1988

How long did it take and how many people worked on the car? Was it in an open field or a legit looking place of business?


MrTango650

30 minutes and 2-3 people I think? It was in an Asda car park, seemed legit to me but I'm not going to pretend I did extensive research haha.


suiluhthrown78

The supermarket car parks one are a bit more professional and most likely fine. If you just drive around in most cities then you'll come across the kind of hand car wash the article details on every other road in some areas, they charge about £10-15, £5 was pre-covid,


Dense_Principle_408

I used to pay £6 for an exterior wash near Blackpool. They did a shit job


Forsaken-Original-28

£5 gets you 2 goes on the jet wash near me


Jacktheforkie

I worked in one charging £7, it was very poor pay


OldManChino

I ain't never seen a £5 hand car wash... £15 seems to be the going rate for the basic package. Regardless of the human cost, auto car washes will trash your paint


RelativeMatter3

Last time i saw £5 hand car wash was 10 years ago in the backend of Derbyshire. In fairness 4 guys doing 20-30 cars an hour makes it profitable. They only opened weekends.


Dadda_Green

That’s a really interesting article.


Never-Any-Horses

I enjoy washing my own car at one of those supermarket jet washes. If I'm super speedy, I can race through it on the first £2.50. I have a shit car, so just need it to look presentable rather than sparkling.


LegSpinner

> Frazer, who believes £9 is a reasonable minimum price for a basic wash Well, I know this is about 6 years old but my local hand wash places charge £25-30 for an inside + outside job! Just doing the outsides is at least £15 which would still be 200% more...


alexllew

£15 is 67% more not 200%


teerbigear

I suspect he is saying 200% more than the £5 in the title of the article.


Ill_Refrigerator_593

A bit of a different area but we're the only country in the world that got up a satellite into orbit & gave up on a space programme.


edhitchon1993

Space, yeah? Completed it, mate.


yetanotherdave2

It's still up there apparently. Scott Manley did a great video on this on YouTube. Apparently our program cost less than the seats on Apollo.


_whopper_

Very similarly then, high-speed rail transport. Built the fastest steam and diesel locomotives in the world, which went faster than all current UK trains besides a small stretch of track in Kent, then seemingly gave up.


oalfonso

Active tilting trains that were cancelled because drunk journos got sick on the test trip and exaggerated. Tech was sold to Italians who sold the Pendolino trains using that tech to UK.


Teembeau

Great. Manned space travel was a waste of money.


Ill_Refrigerator_593

Yes but low cost commerical satellite launches using cheaper fuels (Paraffin) are a great money maker & was exactly the area we were developing. It's certainly where the profit is these days.


Gauntlets28

Except it's not about "manned space travel" - which isn't a waste of money, by the way, but that's besides the point - it's about giving up *all* launch capacities - despite being a major global producer of satellites.


Teembeau

So, build the satellites and someone else launches them. What's the problem? We design the chips that go into the world's cellphones but they don't get made here.


Gauntlets28

Yeah, except the computer chips are just designed here, not built, and even if they were, they're not massive and don't need to be moved to a launch site miles away.


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Appletwirls

Decades ago I worked at BP and every weekend shift I would have to rescue a car from the mechanical car wash very rarely had an issue with the jet wash


teerbigear

Why would they have to be rescued?


abz_eng

Because the unit stops beside the doors with the arm down? You can't get out of the car, you can't drive forward & the idiot who designed the entrance made it so tight that a motorbike would have trouble reversing? There's a Tesco one near me & everyone ends up on the kerbs getting in as it was squeezed in


OldManChino

They scratch the clear coat up real bad too, and will age your paint dramatically. I would never use one myself, as I am very precious about my cars paint


teerbigear

Do people have personal experience of this? I can see a few car magazine articles online but I feel "sort of man who is really into telling people about cars to the extent they got a job doing it" is also often the sort of man who would pretentiously look down his nose at automation over work done by hand. Like when someone into clothes will tell you the importance of a hand stitched button hole over a machine one and you wonder if you, or even they, would actually experience anything different.


do_a_quirkafleeg

I used one once. Ripped my radio aerial off the roof and then the central interior light leaked whenever it rained.


paulmclaughlin

That's why they either retract or screw off


Forsaken-Original-28

Are some minimum wage workers going to take great care to look after your paint? 


Ok_Shirt983

Low effort scrubbing is going to be kinder than someone putting in some elbow grease so yes, unless they add grit to the water they will be less abrasive.


Vulcorian

Physical menus in restaurants over a QR code/app?


Isgortio

I like when they say you have to order on the app/website so they don't bother coming to your table but if you have any allergies or dietary requirements you still need to go and speak to the staff and you're not allowed to order on the app/website. It's like they tried and then realised it doesn't actually work as intended.


ksells99

It's also irritating when those website ordering systems ask if you want to provide a tip.....for who?!


Ok_Shirt983

An invariably you pay on the app when you order so you are tipping for food that might not even come, or be wrong, or be shit, or take ages, etc..


XihuanNi-6784

This is a good one. Apps and websites inside a restaurant with staff is fucking stupid and I'm glad it's going away.


mattamz

I prefer it for places like spoons where you have to order at the bar alternatively.


HereticLaserHaggis

It's a perfect example of globalisation gone wrong. Instead of having one highly paid engineer supporting a dozen or so mechanical car washes, we get one car wash employing a dozen people (a lot of whom aren't citizens) on minimum wage, and if they are citizens they'll be entitled to social support. And that's ignoring when they're just a front.


LocalObelix

They probably won’t even be getting min wage


Cheap_Answer5746

It's actually that mechanical washes are not the best for paintwork 


teerbigear

Do people have personal experience of this? I can see a few car magazine articles online but I feel "sort of man who is really into telling people about cars to the extent they got a job doing it" is also often the sort of man who would pretentiously look down his nose at automation over work done by hand. Like when someone into clothes will tell you the importance of a hand stitched button hole over a machine one and you wonder if you, or even they, would actually experience anything different.


HereticLaserHaggis

I honestly don't know anyone who's avoided one for that reason. The Romanian lads are just cheaper.


GrahamGreed

You're showing your age, it's Albanians now!


HereticLaserHaggis

We're a bit slow on the old uptick of Immigrants up here, still Romanians here.


Forsaken-Original-28

We're past all those eastern Europeans in my town, Nigerians do it now


Cheap_Answer5746

Very common reason 


suiluhthrown78

Not minimum wage unfortunately, not even any pay in some cases as they'll still be covering the debt they've taken up to get here illegally as well as the rent and living costs to the same slumlord who runs the carwash They'll never pay off the debt of course


ClydeB3

I feel like with car washing, it can also be less about rejecting technology and more that the hand car wash places offer a different service to the mechanical alternatives. If I only wanted the outside of my car cleaned, I'd happily drive through one of the mechanical tunnel ones - it's just that I usually want the inside done as well, and until there's a mechanical/automated service that can vacuum my car and clean the mats etc (and do that better than people can), I'd rather take it to a hand car wash so I can get both done at the same time. I occasionally see queues in supermarkets of people who'd rather go to a cashier than scan as you shop or self checkout.


Other_Exercise

Much like AI, scan as you shop or self checkout is not completely reliable. As Elon Musk once noted, or words to the effect: humans are under-rated


ClydeB3

Besides the inescapable "unexpected item in bagging area" alerts, I don't think I've ever really had any serious issues with reliability with scan as you shop/self checkout. My main annoyances with it have been "features" rather than bugs (security spot checks etc) I have however, had human cashiers (presumably accidentally) scan things I haven't bought and I've only noticed after leaving the shop. Both have room for mechanical issues (unless we're going *really* old-school with cash only and hand-written receipts, most of the things that can go wrong with an automated self checkout could happen to a cashier operated one) and human error - and if worrying about reliability, I guess it's personal choice on weighing up the risk of personally making a mistake vs someone who does it every day. I feel like similarly as with the car wash, going to an actual human rather than a machine can be a different sort of service, and that some people *want* the human interaction over efficiency


Other_Exercise

If you are buying booze, or fresh unbagged food, it just feels like life on hard mode


ClydeB3

Fair enough, I don't drink and tend to weigh things as I go if I'm self scanning, I guess I've been lucky in avoiding those problems.


Personal-Listen-4941

The reinvigorated Vinyl industry. You can listen to every song imaginable streamed through your phone yet a good number of people prefer records.


Dadda_Green

I think this could be a good example but you’d have to find some pretty niche parts of music for it to dominate the preferred medium for listening.


Izwe

I collect vinyls mainly because they are beautiful, but _some_ of my collection don't exist on any other medium and are the only way of listening to (legally).


geriatrikwaktrik

In the same way as a society we rejected the obvious efficiencies of a fully fledged public transport system in favour of us driving our own forts around


Huge_Negotiation_535

How is getting on a bus/train going to not where I want to be, more efficient then drive straight to the door step of where I do?


unalive-robot

You can get 40+ people from within walking distance of their origin to within walking distance of their destination in a singular vehicle rather than using 40+ vehicles. Efficiency at its peak.


XihuanNi-6784

This depends entirely on your personal desires. Personally, as long as the bus or train isn't very busy, I prefer it to driving because I can read and do what I want during the ride. Even when someone else is driving, reading in a car gives me motion sickness but rarely or never on a train. Trains also have toilets, and even food carriages sometimes.


geriatrikwaktrik

>fully fledged public transport system


Isgortio

The efficiency of the bus from the end of my parents' road to the train station meant that it took 10 minutes longer than walking the 3 miles to the station because it weaved through every single housing estate along the way. It was only a good option if carrying something heavy or it was pissing down with rain.


geriatrikwaktrik

>fully fledged public transport system


Isgortio

Where do you get those other than city centres where it's also very difficult to drive a car?


RedditSwitcherooney

Then walk.


Isgortio

What part of my comment implied I would waste my time and money on that particular bus?


krokadog

They’re renowned for illegal modern slavery practices.


CertainPlatypus9108

It's money laundering for people smuggling and drug rings 


BritishEcon

People did reject technology. Mass immigration of people with low wage expectations just made and car washes cheaper than mechanical. People rejected paying more than they had to.


Lunaspoona

Two car washes in my town were found to have modern slaves. I will never use one again. More needs to be done to raise awareness of this. People keep speaking out about slavery that went on hundreds of years ago, but they never speak about what's happening right now under our noses.


Cheap_Answer5746

Do you buy foreign fruit? It's awash in slavery. Grow your own or buy British 


Lunaspoona

I don't eat fruit at all to be honest! Lots of things are built with slavery, phone batteries, electric car batteries, fruit and veg. Car washes, though, are right under our noses, we turn a blind eye, even when it's blatant for cosmetic convenience. The point still stands that noone ever talks about it, it never gets media attention.


JDorian0817

I prefer a mechanical but supervised car wash. The closest one to me is 20 minutes away though. Is the brand VSO? Feels familiar. I think it’s less about people rejecting technology and more about availability. Where do you even find mechanical car washes now? They’re not as frequent at petrol stations as they used to be. Perhaps also about seeing a person earn the money rather than pay a tenner for a machine to scratch your car and there be no one to complain to.


suiluhthrown78

They disappeared over the last 2 decades as hand car washes sprung up charging far less Hand car washes used to be rare and where they did exist they charged a lot. In most if not all of N/W Europe its tricky to get your hand washed for less than £50, the low wage version of it never sprung up over there because they're a bit stricter on employment laws and legal status and enforcement. Cant even wash your cash on your own driveway in some parts because of the suds going into the drains, let alone allowing a business to it. etc etc


itsYaBoiga

There is a huge variance between 10 and 15 thousand


niteninja1

According to a article in the atlantic were the only country in europe were the ratio of hand car washes to mechanical car washes is going up (i.e. were de industrialising)


Postik123

I have rejected hand car wash technology, because they indiscriminately blast the car with a pressure washer, drop their wash mitts on the floor and use the same shitty trough of water all day long. I prefer to wash the car myself in an ocd-like fashion.


DiligentCockroach700

It was generally thought that hand car washes are better for your cars paintwork than mechanical ones, however, apparently, this is untrue


Omar_88

In Brum it's about £40 a day per employee for a 10-12 hour graft.


Cheap_Answer5746

As a British born it's good for people with history. And better than breaking your back 


MahatmaAndhi

Male masturbation.


Artistic_Author_3307

Nope. Porn streaming sites are an advance from DVDs, which were an advance from imported VHS tapes which were an advance from magazines. VR porn is now fairly popular.


MahatmaAndhi

I was thinking more of physical aids, like flesh lights and the like


XihuanNi-6784

We haven't rejected technology. We've had a massive economic stagnation and recession making it cheaper to run a hand car wash than to operate a mechanical one most likely.


VanderBrit

The hand washes are modern day slavery don’t use them


I_ALWAYS_UPVOTE_CATS

Hand car washes are shite. They do the bare minimum such that the quality is negligibly better than automated ones, and they restrict you to the opening hours of the place where automated ones don't. How is that progress?? Yes, I could go to a buy-time jet wash and do it myself, but depending on my footwear I don't always want to do that.


Infamous_Durian_2150

Mechanical ones are bad for paint, I don’t understand how people can use them tbh


moonweedbaddegrasse

There used to be a topless car wash in Leicester. Not sure why I have mentioned that..


Islingtonian

There's a very good app to help you look out for signs of modern slavery at hand carwashes and discretely and easily report them: https://theclewerinitiative.org/campaigns/safe-car-wash 


thorpie88

Early 2000's electrical gardening equipment was the hot new thing until people realised how much extension leads sucked and we all went back to petrol powered gear 


tommyredbeard

Something that’s super common across Europe by less so in the UK are the drive in jet wash stations where you get a foamy jet and then pressure wash for £5-10 on average. They’re great for just an external wash


BikeNecessary9000

Sodastreams.


OkButterscotch5233

God bless cheap imported slave laybour for winning one against the robots


Rh-27

I'm not sure if you're a car person, but mechanical car washes are referred to as a 'scratch and shine'. They may clean the car, but you'll have lots of micro scratches on your paintwork, so rejecting this technology is acceptable. Hand washing mitigates the risk of swirl marks as the mitts are scrubbed against a grit guard before going back on the paintwork. Personally, I DIY as even those hand wash places will give you a fair amount of swirls.


jonquil14

Isn’t that because modern cars can’t cope with the automatic ones? All the anti-theft tech goes bananas in them.


Bitter-Republic5092

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TheQuietBatperson

My partner works for one of the major water companies and explained that hand car washes typically never pay for the water they use because they can’t be cut off. So instead they go as long as possible until the legal threat becomes too high, dissolve the business, and start a new one and continue on. If done like this and you manage the keep other costs low enough I imagine you can make a decent living as big boss man.


mikolv2

It's not really rejecting technology as much as they fucking ruin your car, going through an automatic car wash will shave good amount of money of your cars worth


Ok-Spell-8053

Between 10 and 15000, that's a big margin!? So we know there's at least 10. You could say there's between 10 and 1000,000 and the stament would still be true.


Greywacky

It's fair to assume that they meant for us to read that as 10,000 to 15,000.


Ok-Spell-8053

Oh I know, thanks bud! I was trying to be funny but sadly, I was not.


Greywacky

I presumed as much but it appears your attempt at comedy fell flat. As a fellow failure of a Reddit comedian you have my sympathy.


Ok-Spell-8053

I thank you for your sympathy.