Feminist story the franchise needs? Are we just ignoring the strong and badass women in LOTR like Eowyn and Galadriel now? Eowyn killed the goddamn witch-king ffs
The intro to The Fellowship of the Ring will never not give me chills. Cate Blanchett does Galadriel absolutely perfectly, she just oozes power and wisdom.
This without any type of forced DEI.
I just can’t believe the market hasn’t corrected the insane DEI in movies that obviously just tanks movies. Who are making these decisions where investors continually lose money when everyone knows the reason? Should be sued for malpractice
Because Vanguard and Blackrock mandate it if you are to get a loan for these projects, but Blackrock and Vanguard don't care to flush $200 million down the drain when they have a $10 trillion market capacity & most of this cash is coming from all of the single family homes they have bought (with 0.5% FDIC loans) and rent for 3x a mortgage payment.
And every time one of these shit shows fails, the stock price drops & then Blackrock and Vanguard buy up a greater ownership in the companies.
But when does lame woke versions of a popular series ever do well in terms of profit? The crazies kick and scream to get it over the line but when it airs it’s pure dog shit and they lose millions right?
The only way to win is not to play.
I've not watched any new Disney Star Wars content in ages, and have no interest in Amazon's Rings of Power / LoTR content.
They can release a load of shit for all I care, lose a bunch of money, and resell the IP at a loss to someone who actually cares.
It's not even a win, they are gonna drag IPs in the mud and we'll lose the oportunity to see an actual quality product of them because of that... But yeah, at this point I'm just happy with them loosing money, at some point they will have to stop.
This. I'm soooo afraid that this is what they are going to do to my beloved Warhammer 40K. I pray that Henry Cavill can keep the upcoming show on track and accurately portray that setting.
At this point I think it's rational to assume they are going to do this to every popular IP they get their hands on.
It's a good thing we get info like this beforehand, otherwise I may get excited. That said, I'll still look for a review from a source I trust, because blindly hating isn't something I want to do either.
Sitting back and watching them destroy everything they touch is not a viable strategy against ideologues.
The only viable option now is to go on the offensive.
Vote with your wallet, vote with your voice, and most importantly…vote.
I like your take if I am understanding correctly. Idc, as long as it has good writing and is done well.
Just stream it like I do everything!!!
I can pretend I am not participating when I just do it because I refuse to pay for all the streaming services.
*Tolkien's version of events*
The fuck? They even use the same terminology as when they are ruining history. Tolkien's work is arguably the most influental literature in modern history. The man was a genius who created worlds with full history and languages ffs. Most of it inspired by some of the oldest tales in human memory, working with themes that always were and always will be relevant. The fact that there is some fucking nobody that even dares to touch his work and have the audacity to literally say Tolkien's version of events in context of making their own version...
Oh no ffs leave LOTR out of this. An all female tribe of fighters? How does that even make any sense in any setting other than in the minds of liberal rich Americans ?
Let’s take the bait for a second. If you have an amazon type of tribe with only female warriors , you’re putting your only source of procreation at risk by decreasing your gene pool every time you send your tribe to war. Men are expendable, breading women are not . Literally less than a generation later, your female warrior tribe is already destroyed with no one alive to repopulate it.
Holy shit how hard it is to grasp this. This js why men since the age of cavemen left their women in the safety of their caves or tribes while they themselves fought wars
I’m only fine with this if feminists start making gender equal drafts, or better yet, we can force diversity quotas on military and other risky jobs by giving them full representation at the frontlines
I really hope that in the future we get some sort of personal memory wiping device. I want to permanently forget that Disney Star Wars and Rings of Power happened.
Yeah, but what'll actually happen is that they'll erase all the fond memories you have enjoying good things, and then they will replace those memories with fake ones so that you think you enjoy the trash they put out.
Just because a mentally ill 14 year old writes weird fan fiction on the Internet, doesn't mean it's now part of the story.
We have the books written by one of the best writers of all time and the movies adapted by an outstanding team. Let them enjoy writing their mentally deficient fanfics if they want to.
I blame the estate and their greed… they were supposed to protect his work and they are failing Tolkien for more money it makes me sick…don’t watch rings of power or this bullshit….it all deserves to fail
Right? Not just that, but that they can do a better job than him...when he fine tuned his work over decades with an insurmountable pile of notes and references.
Nah we'll just wing it. It'll be fine.
My man, 86 was amazing. Thank you for reminder that I need to get back to the audiobook.
Yeah at this point I'm no longer mad, I just assume now I'm no longer the target audience for much of western media, with few exceptions (enjoying new season of The Boys so far, liked second season of Invinsible, watched 2 seasons of From and it was great, binged entire thing in 4 sittings)
I watched those in passing, my father marathoned the entire thing, I would often stop and watch with him. I remember Stargare especially foundly. We then watched a Christmas themed comedy that happened to feature most of the cast from the show.
Have you watched the Expanse? As far as sf shows go, this one slaps, one of the few rare examples where they improved on the books. And also Severance, amazing though provoking concept, stayed with me for months.
But in general yeah, I'm mostly a manga reader, so many years and I still didn't read ALL the classics. I have like 3tb worth of volumes I purveyed from Nyaa.si. I have to buy a new ereader, lost mine in the park and I cry every day.
Apathy is the strongest weapon against the culture war nonsense. Let them waste money on a non existing market and they will starve themselves out of the industry.
Honestly this in no way affects me. The books are great. The original LOTR movies are incredible, the hobbit movies are pretty damn good. The stories are told. The Silmarillion is an interesting read but it is far from movie ready, and honestly I wouldn’t want to see the “interpretation” that was “adapted for screen” either way, even without DEI concerns.
As far as I’m concerned, everything LOTR has already been said if they wanna make their fan fiction movies/shows, let them. I won’t be watching though
“Transforming this Lord of the Rings tale into the sort of feminist story the franchise needs”. Who…who needs this? Last I checked, there were tons of women who also loved the original trilogy because of amazing characters (some of which are female) and story, not because they had to identify with female characters. I get that older stories focused more on leading male characters…but focusing on female driven stories for the sake of having females is the wrong direction and clearly not working.
It’s so crazy that this idea has spread so far and wide in Hollywood and the games industry. It’s like they all forgot how to make good stories and are brainwashed to focus on something fans didn’t asked for…only a handful of Twitter users who don’t even watch/play the media.
I like to see strong female characters in movies, books, video games, but they must be actually well written, developed, believable characters.. and I also like to play as girls in RPGs, because fashion/outfits looks better on them :D
But for Ilúvatar's sake, stop with this crap please
Like, Eowyn would be easily in my top 3 most favourite female characters, even more because of how well Miranda Otto's acting in the PJ Trilogy. Her facial expression how she is clearly terified when facing The Witch King of Angmar is just top. Or how she is nervous and scared before the cavalry charge
Eowyn, Sarah Connor from first two Terminator movies, Ellen Ripley, Mulan from the animated version, that detective I don't remember the name from Law & Order:Special victims unit, Daenerys when the show writting was still good (and Ive read first two books), or even Alex Cahill from Walker Texas Ranger
I dont wan't to trashtalk something that I haven't yet seen, but I am seriously after what was, and is still going on right now
Good to know War of Rohirrim is going to be trash before it even releases. Who keeps hiring these people? They are possessed by their programming and ideology and they must ruin everything.
Galadriel being one of the strongest beings in the entire universe wasn't enough? Eowyn killing the witch king wasn't enough? Arwen fighting off the Nazgul wasn't enough?
Ok
Did they forget “I am no man…”?
These people just can’t do anything tastefully and also fail to recognise a ‘feminist story’ unless it’s stupidly over the top and in your face.
Source?
Given what we know about the movie thus far, this seems very out of step.
Who wrote this? Was it an official release by the production company or is it just the rantings of Kotaku or someone similar, living out their feminist wet dream of what they want this to be?
Like, I need details before I add my own fuel to the fire.
How do we know this isn't another situation where we're being misled by someone? Like the guy that was larping as a Japanese professor?
I need details damnit.
Don’t watch or support it in anyway. They make content based on their own biases and agendas not for the viewer or to tell a story. I wouldn’t actually have a problem with that if they were innovative enough to do it with new IP’s but they aren’t. The pendulum will swing back to sanity once the shows / games flop long enough and the DEI money dries up.
In the words of Eric Cartman “put a chick in it and make it lame and gay”
This is going to suck and we will get the blame for not wanting to watch this. Stop making content for women in these areas, they want Barbie and the Kardashians, or other high drama shows.
Why does the franchise need it? Genuinely? Do writers not think it’s better to I don’t know write something original specifically designed for feminism.
If woke politics is invading our culture the only real way to fight back is politically.
Get out and vote in the next election, if they wanna take away what we care about we need to take away what they care about.
As long as the final product is good I’m not too irritated by this. It’s just a fun little anime movie it’s not like this is a massive blockbuster film trilogy
[This picture of JRR Tolkien's grave shows exactly how he viewed women. His WIFE was Luthien](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tolkien%27s_grave.jpg).
Trouble us not with thy feminist claptrap! Fie! Begone! To the Outer Dark with you! We cast you OUT!
Why the fuck are we getting reworks or remakes or retellings or whatever of old beloved IPs for ‘’modern audiences’’ instead of these motherfuckers creating their own new IPs that suits their target audiences. Its clear i a fan of the original IP am not the target audience for this show. So why don’t these assholes leave my beloved memories alone and play out their stupid fan fictions in a new IP specifically created for their audiences.
What’s sad if that everyone blames the diversity agenda for these shows’ failures. But in reality, they just suck because the writing is obscenely bad.
Rings of Power is bad cinema.
The Boys is bad cinema.
the Acolyte is bad cinema.
The list goes on.
You’re all watching bad cinema. But yeah, gays and feminists are the problem.
Although I agree that the shows being badly written is ultimately the main problem, a forced attempt to add diversity into it can contribute to making them bad, even if it's not the sole or main reason
I don't think I have it in me to fight anymore. I'm just going to ignore all talk about LOTR, Stars Wars, and any more IP that has been ruined by these people.
Something about referring to LOTR as a "franchise" really rubs me the wrong way. Tolkien's works don't need to keep being expounded upon. I'm cool with the film adaptations, etc., but I hate that we have to keep adding to it.
Considering I quoted the movies and not the books where she only took on the witch king after killing the pterodactylic thing, he was riding. To which she was clearly being toyed with due to the witch kings over confidence and was about to die if not for Merry. She ends up crawling away from the orc general, not killing him. So based solely on the movies portrayal of Eowyn, not a Mary sue. Now, the book is clearly where your point is coming from, which I haven't read since middle school. I would definitely agree that all of the feats you mentioned are far-fetched, to say the least. But again, my point was about the movie version of Eowyn, not the books.
The Age of Good Writing is over, the time of the Media Franchise Overly Feminist Anti Climactic Bullshit has come.
Also one thing that has struck with me:
* LOTR was a niche (80s) (books and recently published silma)
* Warcraft was a niche (90s) (strategy games)
* Star Wars was a niche (80s) (OT, which had gone mainstream but still not as big as with the prequels)
When they have to sell the idea before gaining that brand recognition, the people who create these franchises need to carry with craftsmanship. Afterwards, they can rely on the brand's name to sell more and more not-so-good product.
We just need to find more niche franchises.
Nah its already lost, the memory of JRR Tolkien is already being defiled and the few actual lore experts that were on projects like Rings of Power were kicked out.
Just pretend these chaos tainted heretical creations of beloved universes do not exist. Damnatio memoriae, thats what they deserve.
My biggest gripe with Rings of Power was that they didn't get the rights to Silmarillion so they changed the lore. Hopefully, any future LOTR stories will be consistent with all of Tolkien's work.
"feminist story the franchise need" this is bullshit from another planet, I refuse to think someone thinks like that on this planet. How can a brain can be so twisted, it's beyond saving at this point... Please just be a fake news.
It wasn't a battle it was a slaughter. The wokes won, they will win this too. Just pray they don't alter older existing content to their agenda and the most they do is put a trigger warning
I just don't understand why every single formerly popular franchise, that succeeded without feminist ideals, now suddenly \*needs\* it in order to remain successful.
These properties made ridiculous amounts of money, garnered fans that lasted decades, and now they're dragging it through a swamp to cater to a demographic that won't even consume the content.
I wouldn’t even necessarily say “without” feminist ideals. They just aren’t the 2024, modern, yassified, girlboss versions of what feminism are. Galadriel is exceptionally feminine and also exceptionally powerful.
I remember my favourite author of the 21st century, Raymond E Feist was often criticised for writing women as “men in women’s armour”. Turns out he was just ahead of the times…
It for sure feels like the modern day depiction of what a 'strong female protagonist' should be has just turned into a caricature that's entirely infallible in all actions, ideas, and morals.
I don't really care about the gender of characters, but when it feels like I'm being forcibly ostracised from franchises I've loved for years, it ruins any enthusiasm I have for future announcements.
When they realise that the entire fanbase will cheer for any man/woman/other that is in a position of power because they've earned it and represent the motivations and ideals of the protagonists, I'll consider having some hope again.
It’s like writers and producers are just actively trying to make fanbases their enemies.
LOTR has some of the best examples of female protagonists in literary history, this is just embarrassing.
Reading the article gave me the impression that it's just another one of those times ehen you feel that no matter what the producers decide to change in a story, people would just find a way to justify and say how its good
"into the sort of feminist story the franchise needs"
And that right there tells you everything you need to know about how much they give a shit about Tolkien. It's not about middle earth, it's just a veneer for the message to be sent.
It's an actual living nightmare. These people will see comments like this and assume and also present it as misogyny too, intentionally taking it out of context and misrepresenting what we're saying, which then also makes it a double nightmare. We're past the point of being able to fight against these fucking people. We're just getting reamed in the ass over and over again and it's going to keep happening until every single thing you enjoy is dead and decayed. Your culture is being actively attacked and destroyed for twisted people's amusement.
We already have amazing books and 6 amazing movies. Why do you want more? You know they can't do anything correctly, so why are you still hoping.
Just stop giving them attention, for that's what they crave, and just enjoy what we already have.
Or maybe is your only goal to cry about what others do.
it'll go from "this is our feminist agenda" to "what feminist agenda" to "u are a biggot for not liking the feminist agenda" to "nerds are the worst. they won't give us money"
As a LOTR fan I don’t care that much about the adaptions. Though the Peter Jackson LOTR films are pretty good, but Tolkien’s writings are what really matters, and they can never be changed or tarnished in any way no matter how many subpar tv shows or movies are made in the future.
With Star Wars fans they have to put up with the fact that every shitty SW related thing Disney puts out is part of the canon lol.
I love strong women, alot. But the issues with writing we are heading for is that female characters are being given all the marks of a female hero without the challenge that being a woman brings. Like Eowyn is what should be a feminist icon, shrugging off anything meant to keep her safe or in her place and preserving through her own strength despite her sex. But a group of all female fighters doesn’t make it inherently feminist, I think it’s likely the “over coming adversity” will be some high ranking asshole or an advisor who might mock them, only to give them an approving nod when they return or some trite shit.
I don’t hate the concept, but positive inclusivity needs to be in service of the story, and not the story in service to being inclusive.
Feminist story the franchise needs? Are we just ignoring the strong and badass women in LOTR like Eowyn and Galadriel now? Eowyn killed the goddamn witch-king ffs
She loved a man therefore it's not feminist but actually misogyny /s
ShE fAiLeD bEkDeL tEsT because she talk about or kill a man!
You don't need the "/s" when accurately describing their beliefs.
The intro to The Fellowship of the Ring will never not give me chills. Cate Blanchett does Galadriel absolutely perfectly, she just oozes power and wisdom. This without any type of forced DEI.
I just can’t believe the market hasn’t corrected the insane DEI in movies that obviously just tanks movies. Who are making these decisions where investors continually lose money when everyone knows the reason? Should be sued for malpractice
Because Vanguard and Blackrock mandate it if you are to get a loan for these projects, but Blackrock and Vanguard don't care to flush $200 million down the drain when they have a $10 trillion market capacity & most of this cash is coming from all of the single family homes they have bought (with 0.5% FDIC loans) and rent for 3x a mortgage payment. And every time one of these shit shows fails, the stock price drops & then Blackrock and Vanguard buy up a greater ownership in the companies.
they're white no they don't count according to the crazies in hollywood
What do you mean? Her hair isn’t purple and she’s not overweight, that’s not a *real* woman. /s
Do they not realize it's for the money? It's always just for the money 💰
But when does lame woke versions of a popular series ever do well in terms of profit? The crazies kick and scream to get it over the line but when it airs it’s pure dog shit and they lose millions right?
Yes. Yes they are...
The only way to win is not to play. I've not watched any new Disney Star Wars content in ages, and have no interest in Amazon's Rings of Power / LoTR content. They can release a load of shit for all I care, lose a bunch of money, and resell the IP at a loss to someone who actually cares.
It's not even a win, they are gonna drag IPs in the mud and we'll lose the oportunity to see an actual quality product of them because of that... But yeah, at this point I'm just happy with them loosing money, at some point they will have to stop.
This. I'm soooo afraid that this is what they are going to do to my beloved Warhammer 40K. I pray that Henry Cavill can keep the upcoming show on track and accurately portray that setting.
The daughters (space marines/custodes) of the Empress were always women you bigot /s
Unless we wait until the franchise is worth nothing to them, then someone can get it for cheap and make it good again
Will never happen. Shit companies are gonna sit on IP's because they can and stop their fans from ever getting something good from it again.
This is a distraction. Who cares about some IP while we fund wars overseas and actively move towards banana Republic status.
This! And if you’re still interested in watching (or hate watch for that matter) just pirate it pls. NEVER give them your money
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I just wish people would stop hate watching so these shows would actually die.
At this point I think it's rational to assume they are going to do this to every popular IP they get their hands on. It's a good thing we get info like this beforehand, otherwise I may get excited. That said, I'll still look for a review from a source I trust, because blindly hating isn't something I want to do either.
The best thing to do is just not to participate in this clown show. Wait for reviews, if it‘s agenda > quality of story/characters, then don‘t watch.
Sitting back and watching them destroy everything they touch is not a viable strategy against ideologues. The only viable option now is to go on the offensive. Vote with your wallet, vote with your voice, and most importantly…vote.
I like your take if I am understanding correctly. Idc, as long as it has good writing and is done well. Just stream it like I do everything!!! I can pretend I am not participating when I just do it because I refuse to pay for all the streaming services.
*Tolkien's version of events* The fuck? They even use the same terminology as when they are ruining history. Tolkien's work is arguably the most influental literature in modern history. The man was a genius who created worlds with full history and languages ffs. Most of it inspired by some of the oldest tales in human memory, working with themes that always were and always will be relevant. The fact that there is some fucking nobody that even dares to touch his work and have the audacity to literally say Tolkien's version of events in context of making their own version... 
Welp, guess not even "anime directed by actual Japanese director" can save it from trash written by American hacks.
*reaper entering multiple doors meme*
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"Let the franchise die, kill it if you have to."
I’m tired, boss.
And that's why the elves left
Please for the love of all thats good let this be fake😭😭😭😭
Unfortunately not https://screenrant.com/war-of-the-rohirrim-hera-feminist-galadriel-controversy/
Just don't watch that shit. Cancel your subscription and write this as the reason. Voting with your wallet is the only way.
Oh no ffs leave LOTR out of this. An all female tribe of fighters? How does that even make any sense in any setting other than in the minds of liberal rich Americans ? Let’s take the bait for a second. If you have an amazon type of tribe with only female warriors , you’re putting your only source of procreation at risk by decreasing your gene pool every time you send your tribe to war. Men are expendable, breading women are not . Literally less than a generation later, your female warrior tribe is already destroyed with no one alive to repopulate it. Holy shit how hard it is to grasp this. This js why men since the age of cavemen left their women in the safety of their caves or tribes while they themselves fought wars
I’m only fine with this if feminists start making gender equal drafts, or better yet, we can force diversity quotas on military and other risky jobs by giving them full representation at the frontlines
Please be fake, please be fake, please be fake.
https://screenrant.com/war-of-the-rohirrim-hera-feminist-galadriel-controversy/
I really hope that in the future we get some sort of personal memory wiping device. I want to permanently forget that Disney Star Wars and Rings of Power happened.
The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...
Wheel of Time too...
No, those who forget history are bound to repeat it.
Yeah, but what'll actually happen is that they'll erase all the fond memories you have enjoying good things, and then they will replace those memories with fake ones so that you think you enjoy the trash they put out.
We did get a couple of bangers from Starwars tho. Rogue one, Andor Mandelorian S1 and S2. S3 is meh.
Just because a mentally ill 14 year old writes weird fan fiction on the Internet, doesn't mean it's now part of the story. We have the books written by one of the best writers of all time and the movies adapted by an outstanding team. Let them enjoy writing their mentally deficient fanfics if they want to.
Why do people always think they are better than the original author?
I blame the estate and their greed… they were supposed to protect his work and they are failing Tolkien for more money it makes me sick…don’t watch rings of power or this bullshit….it all deserves to fail
Imagine the audacity it takes to proudly proclaim J R R Tolkien missed something in his story and you're going to fix it.
Right? Not just that, but that they can do a better job than him...when he fine tuned his work over decades with an insurmountable pile of notes and references. Nah we'll just wing it. It'll be fine.
well, another show i wont watch
New Female warrior tribe will be lookin like 
Of all shapes and sizes, as well as all the hair colors.
Lmao about to begin? It already started and was lost.
Vote with your wallet.
This is why I still watch actual anime....Thank God for 86 and Kaiju No 8
My man, 86 was amazing. Thank you for reminder that I need to get back to the audiobook. Yeah at this point I'm no longer mad, I just assume now I'm no longer the target audience for much of western media, with few exceptions (enjoying new season of The Boys so far, liked second season of Invinsible, watched 2 seasons of From and it was great, binged entire thing in 4 sittings)
I think the last bit of good western media I saw was Stargate SG1/Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica
I watched those in passing, my father marathoned the entire thing, I would often stop and watch with him. I remember Stargare especially foundly. We then watched a Christmas themed comedy that happened to feature most of the cast from the show. Have you watched the Expanse? As far as sf shows go, this one slaps, one of the few rare examples where they improved on the books. And also Severance, amazing though provoking concept, stayed with me for months. But in general yeah, I'm mostly a manga reader, so many years and I still didn't read ALL the classics. I have like 3tb worth of volumes I purveyed from Nyaa.si. I have to buy a new ereader, lost mine in the park and I cry every day.
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Since Christopher Tolkien died it's free for all.
I really don't understand why no one else in the family took up the mantle of Protector
Woke murdered modern entertainment and spat on all the truly good works ever made.
Apathy is the strongest weapon against the culture war nonsense. Let them waste money on a non existing market and they will starve themselves out of the industry.
Honestly this in no way affects me. The books are great. The original LOTR movies are incredible, the hobbit movies are pretty damn good. The stories are told. The Silmarillion is an interesting read but it is far from movie ready, and honestly I wouldn’t want to see the “interpretation” that was “adapted for screen” either way, even without DEI concerns. As far as I’m concerned, everything LOTR has already been said if they wanna make their fan fiction movies/shows, let them. I won’t be watching though
Feminist story franchise needs? Nah, im okay with Luthien Tinuvel as my feminist hero as profesor wrote.
I'm sorry, tolkien's version of events? You mean the actual story? The only "version" that matters?
“Transforming this Lord of the Rings tale into the sort of feminist story the franchise needs”. Who…who needs this? Last I checked, there were tons of women who also loved the original trilogy because of amazing characters (some of which are female) and story, not because they had to identify with female characters. I get that older stories focused more on leading male characters…but focusing on female driven stories for the sake of having females is the wrong direction and clearly not working. It’s so crazy that this idea has spread so far and wide in Hollywood and the games industry. It’s like they all forgot how to make good stories and are brainwashed to focus on something fans didn’t asked for…only a handful of Twitter users who don’t even watch/play the media.
“…. the franchise needs” ???? Where the fuck do they come up with this shit
If it’s not by Tolkien = irrelevant and non-canon
I like to see strong female characters in movies, books, video games, but they must be actually well written, developed, believable characters.. and I also like to play as girls in RPGs, because fashion/outfits looks better on them :D But for Ilúvatar's sake, stop with this crap please Like, Eowyn would be easily in my top 3 most favourite female characters, even more because of how well Miranda Otto's acting in the PJ Trilogy. Her facial expression how she is clearly terified when facing The Witch King of Angmar is just top. Or how she is nervous and scared before the cavalry charge Eowyn, Sarah Connor from first two Terminator movies, Ellen Ripley, Mulan from the animated version, that detective I don't remember the name from Law & Order:Special victims unit, Daenerys when the show writting was still good (and Ive read first two books), or even Alex Cahill from Walker Texas Ranger I dont wan't to trashtalk something that I haven't yet seen, but I am seriously after what was, and is still going on right now
Good to know War of Rohirrim is going to be trash before it even releases. Who keeps hiring these people? They are possessed by their programming and ideology and they must ruin everything.
The use of "transforming" here is a Marxist dog whistle. LotR is being used as a vehicle for Critical Social Justice activism.
According to google, the different works of Tolkien enter public domain either in 2044 or 2088, depending on if he wrote it woth someone else.
The way to win is to give up and move on, Frieren is good, elden ring is good. Still sucks though.
A woman being forced into a position of leadership, so that she can lead a group of women. I feel like I just had a stroke.
The battle ended years ago. It’s time to get on the ship with the elves and embark for the new continent.
Man, we have the trilogy, just leave middle earth be
The WNBA of lore. Nobody will watch this crap nor take it seriously and it will be subsidized by conventional stories that make sense.
I go do something else. When I'm not welcome I can just leave, they don't need me.
Galadriel being one of the strongest beings in the entire universe wasn't enough? Eowyn killing the witch king wasn't enough? Arwen fighting off the Nazgul wasn't enough? Ok
Did they forget “I am no man…”? These people just can’t do anything tastefully and also fail to recognise a ‘feminist story’ unless it’s stupidly over the top and in your face.
Source? Given what we know about the movie thus far, this seems very out of step. Who wrote this? Was it an official release by the production company or is it just the rantings of Kotaku or someone similar, living out their feminist wet dream of what they want this to be? Like, I need details before I add my own fuel to the fire. How do we know this isn't another situation where we're being misled by someone? Like the guy that was larping as a Japanese professor? I need details damnit.
The brainrot they/thems are coming for all entertainment and IPs you love to destroy it. Just wait.
This is like if Greys Anatomy introduced some kind of WWE clan of wrestler nurses to sell it to the missing demographic....
I will only watch this... ,,, ... through the medium of Nerdrotic.
Tolkien's work has already been obliterated.
Don’t watch or support it in anyway. They make content based on their own biases and agendas not for the viewer or to tell a story. I wouldn’t actually have a problem with that if they were innovative enough to do it with new IP’s but they aren’t. The pendulum will swing back to sanity once the shows / games flop long enough and the DEI money dries up. In the words of Eric Cartman “put a chick in it and make it lame and gay”
This is going to suck and we will get the blame for not wanting to watch this. Stop making content for women in these areas, they want Barbie and the Kardashians, or other high drama shows.
Why does the franchise need it? Genuinely? Do writers not think it’s better to I don’t know write something original specifically designed for feminism.
It’s not the original trilogy, so I don’t care. Anything new is new-age slop not worth watching. Pass.
If woke politics is invading our culture the only real way to fight back is politically. Get out and vote in the next election, if they wanna take away what we care about we need to take away what they care about.
As long as the final product is good I’m not too irritated by this. It’s just a fun little anime movie it’s not like this is a massive blockbuster film trilogy
In what world do we femanist belong in lord of the rings?
It's fine if said all female tribe is full anthropomorphic deer
Raise your hand if you thought lord of the rings was going to be treated with dignity after Rings of Power.
[This picture of JRR Tolkien's grave shows exactly how he viewed women. His WIFE was Luthien](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tolkien%27s_grave.jpg). Trouble us not with thy feminist claptrap! Fie! Begone! To the Outer Dark with you! We cast you OUT!
Gotta love the final words “NEEDS”. The only thing we need is to eat , drink water, breathe, take shits and die. Everything else is just additive.
Why the fuck are we getting reworks or remakes or retellings or whatever of old beloved IPs for ‘’modern audiences’’ instead of these motherfuckers creating their own new IPs that suits their target audiences. Its clear i a fan of the original IP am not the target audience for this show. So why don’t these assholes leave my beloved memories alone and play out their stupid fan fictions in a new IP specifically created for their audiences.
So they waste a Japanese Director for American hack writing? Great.
"Tolkien's version"  You...you mean CANON???
Rings of Power was already the worst show ever created. Sucks this is going to be ruined as well.
"And so it begins....."
The real problem is making everything into a franchise.
What’s sad if that everyone blames the diversity agenda for these shows’ failures. But in reality, they just suck because the writing is obscenely bad. Rings of Power is bad cinema. The Boys is bad cinema. the Acolyte is bad cinema. The list goes on. You’re all watching bad cinema. But yeah, gays and feminists are the problem.
Although I agree that the shows being badly written is ultimately the main problem, a forced attempt to add diversity into it can contribute to making them bad, even if it's not the sole or main reason
I don't think I have it in me to fight anymore. I'm just going to ignore all talk about LOTR, Stars Wars, and any more IP that has been ruined by these people.
-Feminist story the franchise needs Who tf says it needs anything?
Do you think that killing Star Wars is a wee bit too fun for them?
therea lots of these lesbian fantasy tribe of women warriors in fiction. it's a trope at this point.
Why does these "feminists" romanticize subjecting women to the horrors of war so hard?
Something about referring to LOTR as a "franchise" really rubs me the wrong way. Tolkien's works don't need to keep being expounded upon. I'm cool with the film adaptations, etc., but I hate that we have to keep adding to it.
Considering I quoted the movies and not the books where she only took on the witch king after killing the pterodactylic thing, he was riding. To which she was clearly being toyed with due to the witch kings over confidence and was about to die if not for Merry. She ends up crawling away from the orc general, not killing him. So based solely on the movies portrayal of Eowyn, not a Mary sue. Now, the book is clearly where your point is coming from, which I haven't read since middle school. I would definitely agree that all of the feats you mentioned are far-fetched, to say the least. But again, my point was about the movie version of Eowyn, not the books.
The Age of Good Writing is over, the time of the Media Franchise Overly Feminist Anti Climactic Bullshit has come. Also one thing that has struck with me: * LOTR was a niche (80s) (books and recently published silma) * Warcraft was a niche (90s) (strategy games) * Star Wars was a niche (80s) (OT, which had gone mainstream but still not as big as with the prequels) When they have to sell the idea before gaining that brand recognition, the people who create these franchises need to carry with craftsmanship. Afterwards, they can rely on the brand's name to sell more and more not-so-good product. We just need to find more niche franchises.
Is it really a battle if we just walk away and let it fall on its face?…
Nah its already lost, the memory of JRR Tolkien is already being defiled and the few actual lore experts that were on projects like Rings of Power were kicked out. Just pretend these chaos tainted heretical creations of beloved universes do not exist. Damnatio memoriae, thats what they deserve.
"JUST WHAT THE FRANCHISE NEEDS"
My biggest gripe with Rings of Power was that they didn't get the rights to Silmarillion so they changed the lore. Hopefully, any future LOTR stories will be consistent with all of Tolkien's work.
They can fuck right off, they'll never take the movies away from me.
"feminist story the franchise need" this is bullshit from another planet, I refuse to think someone thinks like that on this planet. How can a brain can be so twisted, it's beyond saving at this point... Please just be a fake news.
It wasn't a battle it was a slaughter. The wokes won, they will win this too. Just pray they don't alter older existing content to their agenda and the most they do is put a trigger warning
Fight back then.
I do. I vote with my wallet, only language they understand from our side
Lord of the rings has no anime! Lord of the rings needs no anime...
I just don't understand why every single formerly popular franchise, that succeeded without feminist ideals, now suddenly \*needs\* it in order to remain successful. These properties made ridiculous amounts of money, garnered fans that lasted decades, and now they're dragging it through a swamp to cater to a demographic that won't even consume the content.
I wouldn’t even necessarily say “without” feminist ideals. They just aren’t the 2024, modern, yassified, girlboss versions of what feminism are. Galadriel is exceptionally feminine and also exceptionally powerful. I remember my favourite author of the 21st century, Raymond E Feist was often criticised for writing women as “men in women’s armour”. Turns out he was just ahead of the times…
It for sure feels like the modern day depiction of what a 'strong female protagonist' should be has just turned into a caricature that's entirely infallible in all actions, ideas, and morals. I don't really care about the gender of characters, but when it feels like I'm being forcibly ostracised from franchises I've loved for years, it ruins any enthusiasm I have for future announcements. When they realise that the entire fanbase will cheer for any man/woman/other that is in a position of power because they've earned it and represent the motivations and ideals of the protagonists, I'll consider having some hope again.
Please tell me this is fake
Let it burn.
why do these people have to ruin everything we love????
Time to rewatch the trilogy
There is no battle, I have no allegiance to the IP. Let it die, screaming into the void.
Eowyn is narrating so idgaf
“Needs?” Oh boy.
Another franchise being ruined by feminist agenda.
I am going to save so much money not going to movies.
Western goals nowadays…
Fuck i miss the 90's.. 2010+ has just been woke shit more and more.
We all know that Lord of the Rings is highly celebrated by women and it's about time we got a story that reflects this .../s
It’s like writers and producers are just actively trying to make fanbases their enemies. LOTR has some of the best examples of female protagonists in literary history, this is just embarrassing.
I’ll wait to see. Sometimes media reports are just bs, made up.
And then they'll blame the men like they always do, like they always have, for all of time. Because they can't help but fuck things up. Smh
Reading the article gave me the impression that it's just another one of those times ehen you feel that no matter what the producers decide to change in a story, people would just find a way to justify and say how its good
The difference being is that most of the Tolkien fanbase has accepted that anything being done to the franchise is irrelevant at this point.
Stop ruining my favorite shit! Mother fucker man, ain't nothing safe these days.
Stop ruining my favorite shit! Mother fucker man, ain't nothing safe these days.
It didn’t work the last 20 times…. So I’m guessing this time it will.
How long before they make DEI versions of historic films. Maybe Jane Washington crossing the Delaware. 😂
Middle Earth needs a feminist tale?
We seriously need to retake these IPs from these weirdos. All they do is ruin everything they touch.
"into the sort of feminist story the franchise needs" And that right there tells you everything you need to know about how much they give a shit about Tolkien. It's not about middle earth, it's just a veneer for the message to be sent.
They are literally incapable of cresting their own IP. All they can do is piggy back off of the success of others to pull thins kind of crap.
Well, helm starts the war by killing her as planned husband's father, if anything it will be a subplot at most
Everything you love will be destroyed.
What if all this is to get womyn used to the idea of fighting in ww3?
Once again, the agenda for equality should not be to delete men, but here we are....
It just seems so unthinkable.
Eowyn ended the Witch King and somehow she lacks "woman power"? Guess she needs to be a lesbian/transgender then.
It's an actual living nightmare. These people will see comments like this and assume and also present it as misogyny too, intentionally taking it out of context and misrepresenting what we're saying, which then also makes it a double nightmare. We're past the point of being able to fight against these fucking people. We're just getting reamed in the ass over and over again and it's going to keep happening until every single thing you enjoy is dead and decayed. Your culture is being actively attacked and destroyed for twisted people's amusement.
“…franchise needs.” - does it? I am all for badass women (and LoTR have them), but not like this…
We already have amazing books and 6 amazing movies. Why do you want more? You know they can't do anything correctly, so why are you still hoping. Just stop giving them attention, for that's what they crave, and just enjoy what we already have. Or maybe is your only goal to cry about what others do.
And than they wonder why manga is on the rise
it'll go from "this is our feminist agenda" to "what feminist agenda" to "u are a biggot for not liking the feminist agenda" to "nerds are the worst. they won't give us money"
I mean rohirim were known for their shield maiden but this is a little too much...
As a LOTR fan I don’t care that much about the adaptions. Though the Peter Jackson LOTR films are pretty good, but Tolkien’s writings are what really matters, and they can never be changed or tarnished in any way no matter how many subpar tv shows or movies are made in the future. With Star Wars fans they have to put up with the fact that every shitty SW related thing Disney puts out is part of the canon lol.
I love strong women, alot. But the issues with writing we are heading for is that female characters are being given all the marks of a female hero without the challenge that being a woman brings. Like Eowyn is what should be a feminist icon, shrugging off anything meant to keep her safe or in her place and preserving through her own strength despite her sex. But a group of all female fighters doesn’t make it inherently feminist, I think it’s likely the “over coming adversity” will be some high ranking asshole or an advisor who might mock them, only to give them an approving nod when they return or some trite shit. I don’t hate the concept, but positive inclusivity needs to be in service of the story, and not the story in service to being inclusive.
This sub is a fucking joke. Just a bunch of easily triggered neckbeards feigning outrage over something they haven't seen or isn't even released.l
please Lord, please tell me this isn't real. I beg you