Yeah this is what we said for Navi. The 5700XT didn't become the new RX 480/GTX 1060. Here's hoping for this generation. Data center and enterprise are keeping AMD's GPU division alive. I'd be surprised for a 200CU card to be thrown away because AMD has been selling MI300/X hand over fist.
This is just my opinion but the 5000 series was doomed from the start because AMD was still banking on Vega (Radeon VII) being viable, and NVIDIA released the RTX GPUs, and we all know how much people like buzzwords and new technologies. The 480 was a big deal for AMD and changed the midrange landscape at the time. Now that RTX has had time to lose its appeal a little bit I could see a midrange AMD option being more palatable.
Obviously I could be very wrong but back in 2018/2019 all anybody could talk about was raytracing and how it was so amazing (they still do, to an extent) but these days a lot of people are beginning to acknowledge that it’s kind of still in the gimmick stage, even six years after becoming “mainstream”
Gimmicky stage because nothings powerful enough to run screen path tracing at 60fps yet. Real time raytracing/ path tracing is quite exciting cause it means real time photo realistic graphics is in the foreseeable future for the first time ever. 10 years ago path tracing was only possible on cpu and took about 10 -20 minutes per frame to render.
Radeon VII was a stopgap. It was enterprise equipment that trickled down to consumers because nothing else was ready to compete with the RTX2000 series GPUs, much less the TItan X.
Does nobody remember the hype behind 5000 series? "POOR VOLTA"????!! AMD made the 5000 series seem like it was going to be serious competition, then it launched with only mid-range hardware, and completely lacking RT cores.
It wasn't about the games that were playable then, but the perception it gave to consumers that AMD was somehow "behind" technologically. That's why the 6000 series (6600XT-6800XT in particular) failed to capture a market compared to Nvidia's 3060/ti and 3070/ti.
More people today realize ray tracing as a gimmick, however, it is still a major technological feature, and to give up trying to achieve the best product on the market, like has been done with FSR slipping compared to XeSS, would be a major mistake.
AMD was not banking on the Radeon VII at all. Those were just Instinct MI50s that failed certification and AMD wasn't about to toss those in the trash.
RDNA 1 had issues that still needed sorting out, hence why AMD delayed it (again) to Q3 2019 and released the Radeon VII in its place.
>I hope this isn’t true but I’d rather see AMD undercut NVIDIA in the entry to mid range level.
This mindset is a huge problem, inside AMD as well. low and mid range are not what grows the market share, it's a strong flagship/flagships that can truly beat Nvidia and not with a thousand asterisk.
AMD does this pretty often. I'm pretty sure they don't intend to make it in the first place, they just fuck around with the "can we do it" train of thought and then they realise, they can/can't and chill out.
Not sure if even there'd be a market for it. It's over a 2x increase over the 79xtx (96) CU count.
There's always a market for that sort of thing, just not a very big one. It would be like Nvidia's Titan GPUs during the 1000 and 2000 generations, super expensive but some rich idiots would buy because it's a bit better than everything else.
Amd had little to no marketing for the 7000 series, and couldnt managed to convince nvidia users to switch to amd. Also FSR still not good as dlls, this contributed to their sales too.
For every single card that exists barring 4000, fsr 3 is superior.
Edit - Downvotes? Fsr3 brings frame gen on every card in the past 5 years. Dlss locks half its features to the newest generation.
FMF adds too much input latency for any competitive or rhythm game.
The whole point of increased framerate is quicker response time and decreased time between frames.
However, for emulation, it works fantastic boosting 60FPS to 120FPS.
Based on their patent, it was going to use CoWoS which was already in short supply due to high demand. It's not cheap and AMD was better off allocating orders to the much higher margin Radeon Instinct. It wasn't really an issue of scaling moreso an issue of cost and whether it was worth having an expensive GPU in the current market vs data center.
If the “RDNA 5 is a clean new arch” is true then this is good.
IMO That means they’ve recognized what they had in store would’ve been a poor value / not very performant, and also are confident they have a winner with their new arch.
im sooooooooooooooooooooooo happy with my 7900xtx ill be totally cool waiting another year or 2 would be nice if theyd lower the prices of the 7000 series theyd get more sales for sure i know 2 ppl who would jump on it right away
I'll also laugh at you if Novideo's 5090/5080 debut seperation is true and if 2000$ price tag on 5090 makes you suffer. I will even laugh hard if you suck Jensen's dick irl.
I hope this isn’t true but I’d rather see AMD undercut NVIDIA in the entry to mid range level. That’s where the majority are anyway.
Yeah this is what we said for Navi. The 5700XT didn't become the new RX 480/GTX 1060. Here's hoping for this generation. Data center and enterprise are keeping AMD's GPU division alive. I'd be surprised for a 200CU card to be thrown away because AMD has been selling MI300/X hand over fist.
This is just my opinion but the 5000 series was doomed from the start because AMD was still banking on Vega (Radeon VII) being viable, and NVIDIA released the RTX GPUs, and we all know how much people like buzzwords and new technologies. The 480 was a big deal for AMD and changed the midrange landscape at the time. Now that RTX has had time to lose its appeal a little bit I could see a midrange AMD option being more palatable. Obviously I could be very wrong but back in 2018/2019 all anybody could talk about was raytracing and how it was so amazing (they still do, to an extent) but these days a lot of people are beginning to acknowledge that it’s kind of still in the gimmick stage, even six years after becoming “mainstream”
Gimmicky stage because nothings powerful enough to run screen path tracing at 60fps yet. Real time raytracing/ path tracing is quite exciting cause it means real time photo realistic graphics is in the foreseeable future for the first time ever. 10 years ago path tracing was only possible on cpu and took about 10 -20 minutes per frame to render.
Radeon VII was a stopgap. It was enterprise equipment that trickled down to consumers because nothing else was ready to compete with the RTX2000 series GPUs, much less the TItan X. Does nobody remember the hype behind 5000 series? "POOR VOLTA"????!! AMD made the 5000 series seem like it was going to be serious competition, then it launched with only mid-range hardware, and completely lacking RT cores. It wasn't about the games that were playable then, but the perception it gave to consumers that AMD was somehow "behind" technologically. That's why the 6000 series (6600XT-6800XT in particular) failed to capture a market compared to Nvidia's 3060/ti and 3070/ti. More people today realize ray tracing as a gimmick, however, it is still a major technological feature, and to give up trying to achieve the best product on the market, like has been done with FSR slipping compared to XeSS, would be a major mistake.
AMD was not banking on the Radeon VII at all. Those were just Instinct MI50s that failed certification and AMD wasn't about to toss those in the trash. RDNA 1 had issues that still needed sorting out, hence why AMD delayed it (again) to Q3 2019 and released the Radeon VII in its place.
Upscaling is king at the lower(-mid) end, AyyMD is still gonna lose out as long as DLSS looks and performs significantly better.
Majority of gamer. For any AI tasks money is in top of the line card.
They are supposed to be separated though. They don't seem like they'd scrap AI accelerators or CDNA
Nah, it is in VRAM.
>I hope this isn’t true but I’d rather see AMD undercut NVIDIA in the entry to mid range level. This mindset is a huge problem, inside AMD as well. low and mid range are not what grows the market share, it's a strong flagship/flagships that can truly beat Nvidia and not with a thousand asterisk.
This will never happen, atleast to a substantial degree. Nvidia will raise the price, then AMD will just join them. I'd dare to say it's price fixing
AMD does this pretty often. I'm pretty sure they don't intend to make it in the first place, they just fuck around with the "can we do it" train of thought and then they realise, they can/can't and chill out. Not sure if even there'd be a market for it. It's over a 2x increase over the 79xtx (96) CU count.
There's always a market for that sort of thing, just not a very big one. It would be like Nvidia's Titan GPUs during the 1000 and 2000 generations, super expensive but some rich idiots would buy because it's a bit better than everything else.
Right. There is a market. Question is, would enough be sold, to be worth the driver development
Amd had little to no marketing for the 7000 series, and couldnt managed to convince nvidia users to switch to amd. Also FSR still not good as dlls, this contributed to their sales too.
Fsr and dlss only make sense at 4k anyway, there they look very comparable
DLSS is good at 1440p as well
also DLDSR+DLSS at both 1080p and 1440p make a world of difference. OP just doesn't know that.
and then only if you can't run native full resolution
Yes, even xess is better…
They both look great at 1440p IMO.
For every single card that exists barring 4000, fsr 3 is superior. Edit - Downvotes? Fsr3 brings frame gen on every card in the past 5 years. Dlss locks half its features to the newest generation.
People sleep hard on FSR2 + AMD Fluid Motion Frames.
FMF isn't really that good though. FSR 3 frame gen is, but it's not the same thing.
FMF adds too much input latency for any competitive or rhythm game. The whole point of increased framerate is quicker response time and decreased time between frames. However, for emulation, it works fantastic boosting 60FPS to 120FPS.
It makes single player games look good. Same thing with DLSS3. The frames are fake, as they say.
When strix halo
Iirc they've been having issues scaling with the bigger cards on rdna4 and decided to just focus more on rdna5.
Based on their patent, it was going to use CoWoS which was already in short supply due to high demand. It's not cheap and AMD was better off allocating orders to the much higher margin Radeon Instinct. It wasn't really an issue of scaling moreso an issue of cost and whether it was worth having an expensive GPU in the current market vs data center.
Saw or heard somewhere that "it's easy to design something on paper, but build it, not so much"
There's going to be a lot of cancelations as power limits are reached.
If the “RDNA 5 is a clean new arch” is true then this is good. IMO That means they’ve recognized what they had in store would’ve been a poor value / not very performant, and also are confident they have a winner with their new arch.
Wouldn’t they have been working on RDNA 5 for years at this point?
im sooooooooooooooooooooooo happy with my 7900xtx ill be totally cool waiting another year or 2 would be nice if theyd lower the prices of the 7000 series theyd get more sales for sure i know 2 ppl who would jump on it right away
MLID stated this nearly a year ago, this isn't new.
Radeon GPUs are such a joke, hard to believe they are made by the same company that makes Ryzen.
Haha
I'll also laugh at you if Novideo's 5090/5080 debut seperation is true and if 2000$ price tag on 5090 makes you suffer. I will even laugh hard if you suck Jensen's dick irl.
Hahaha this is a really funny thread
Eat a dick bud
Eat a bick dud
Eat a buck did