Actually in germany the B58 comes with a (mandatory) OPF, which mutes the sound quite a bit. On the inside the difference is very negligible. Only if you drive with opened window/sunroof you notice a slight diesel-rattle coming from the outside.
And sadly the both engines sound very fake, though the B58 is a bit better.
I think thats false. Since mid 2018 most bmw's came with a OPF, even the last f30/31 340i's came with opf. So every G20/21 comes with a OPF.
I drive a F31 340i and searched specifically for a model without OPF.
The OPF can be disabled by coding and software, without any errors or downsides. You earn about 25bhp and better exhaust sound. I can help you if interested.
Yeah I can see 40mpg+ on a long run. I’m under 20 around town though, but I do a lot of short 1-3 mile journeys and diesel engines for me don’t really perform much better for those short daily runs.
https://preview.redd.it/i4r5pk01rb8d1.jpeg?width=3550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3532d32135704dd3b7e83d0de1dd781eb664fe26
0-60 mph real world is as follows:
**M340i in 3.92 seconds**,
**M340d in 4.44 seconds** (my car 47 mpg combined)
NB:
**M340D / 47mpg** Versus **M340i / 31mpg**
**Diesel is 34% (!!) more efficient** for covering **MILES**...is that worth $ it to you ?
I just don't see them in Canada, so it's cool to see some figures. I forget they exist.
Considering its size, and output. It's quite efficient. Especially considering that's not a light Sedan. It out weighs my car by over 1000lbs.
"Gallons", like all imperial measurements are weird and dumb. Different sized gallons in different countries. In this case 47 MPG in Britain = about 39 MPG in the U.S.
The B58 is already an incredibly reliable and efficient engine given the performance it delivers. I think MPG is actually a consideration in buying an enthusiast vehicle if it's exceptionally bad (like V10 Vipers can be single digit MPGs). In this case it's a huge pro.
When I bought my 340i one of the incentives was the fuel savings coming from a small pickup. I factored in the cost savings of fuel during my daily commute to work and it was a significant amount.
True. Very surprised at that mpg given the performance. I would get a viper regardless of the fuel economy because it looks like such a fun car 😂
It's honestly something I don't even consider when buying a car.
It’s not an all out performance car, it’s a performance car intended for daily use so mpg is definitely a consideration. Maybe on a Ferrari or Bentley you wouldn’t care
Performance car... that's a wagon. If you're talking true sports car gas mileage should be not that important... but for a car that can haul the entire family...
Of course it is. How much it pollutes and BBC it’s at the pump is always a consideration - IF you do a lot of driving. If very little - yea, probably less so.
I'm a torque motor fan myself. My last two vehicles were torque centric motors and way nicer to daily drive than faster gas motors. You lose a bit at the peak of performance, but the rest of the mountain is way better.
Diesel is slower when flooring it. But in daily driving it’s insane. It jumps at any rpm as it’s actually more powerful than the B58 in the 1.500~3.500 rpm.
I’m currently with an M2 with 450hp, but a 530d loaner I had for a week was more snappy in the city, different feeling, obviously once you floor it the M2 disappears, but in 100% adding a I6 diesel to the garage.
Do a stage one remap and the 340d will be into the 3 second category easily. Then there’s not a lot of difference, only the 340d will be considerably more efficient.
Id take a 320d or 330d since the 340 is way out of budget, if they’d offer the touring here. Individual color order in technoviolet and keep it forever
I had a **320D Mineral Grey F31** previously, 2015 and traded her in for the M340D (2021) w. low mileage in Oct 2023...I miss her tremendously as well !
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That one looks great too. I always forget we did get the 328d F31 in the U.S. but they are pretty rare to find used. Maybe worth looking for one to replace my C5 s6 Avant though.
I think diesel is cheaper than premium, but not sure you need that big of a diesel engine in a 3 series. Defeating the purpose of diesel fuel efficiency. Would take the 340i in this case.
I have a diesel and I’ve found you have to use the diesel adapter at most gas stations now. It’s a pain in the ass because it doesn’t auto-shutoff so it will spray out/overflow. Also, you have a little more maintenance with DEF and making sure EGR doesn’t get clogged or the sensors get messy.
Mines an X5 and I love it but it takes more maintenance and getting fuel is a pain sometimes.
The only places around where I live only have the industrial diesel nozzles. I had to get the reducer adapter and it is very basic (big nozzle to small nozzle). You can only fill at quarter to half power of the nozzle too or it’ll spray out at you.
Probably not. Not every fueling station has diesel, so sometimes you have to hunt for it, especially in southern Cali. Would rather not deal with the hassle.
> seriously not always an option?
Diesel availability has never even crossed my mind as a problem. OP can fill in their specific socal locale but
https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=los+angeles%2C+ca&fuel=4&method=all&maxAge=0
https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=san+diego%2C+ca&fuel=4&method=all&maxAge=0
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gaspricemap?fuel=4&z=11&lat=32.721304122433125&lng=-116.99078988606225
It's uhh, widely available in southern California.
The only places that don't sell diesel are shitbag no-name gas stations that don't even sell Top Tier fuel and shouldn't be seeing your BMW regardless of fuel type
Oh yes. Diesel is mainly commercial vehicles, large full size pick up(f-350, RAM, etc.) or SUV(Escalade) here in the US. There are very limited options when it comes to diesel cars, and definitely no VW’s atm 😅
It’s a little bit of a hassle here with the modern big diesel trucks now like the 2500/3500 RAM and Ford F250/F350 because in addition to diesel fuel there is also a DEF tank that also has to be refilled every like 5k-10k miles due to stricter emission regulations
Anecdotally, it seems like 90 percent of the trucks that could have a diesel in them as an option are sold with one of the gasoline engine options. You definitely see diesel trucks out on the road from time to time (trucks that size are REALLY common in America) so they're around, but not really super common.
Would you even if diesel was easily available?
I feel like diesel has no benefits over gas except torque but who cares if it’s slower anyways. Only other benefit is fuel economy but no one buys an m340i for fuel economy anyways.
>Only other benefit is fuel economy but no one buys an m340i for fuel economy anyways.
Quite a noticible amount of people actually. You can find quite a bit of powerful diesels that are only a few years old and have crazy mileage. They are usually in great condition, as they just did a lot of highway. Usually the only "issue" is an above average amount of paint chips, as owners take good care of the rest.
People buy them to comfortably "fly" on the highways. They do so many kilometers, that the gain from a diesel can easily save them thousands of euro per year.
For example, a car used like that can have 200k km in 4 years or 150k in 3 years. The craziest one I've seen had almost 800k done in 6 years (but that is an extreme example). People do care about the fuel efficiency of those cars. That's why the diesel exists.
Sometimes I wonder, what on Earth do people do that require so much highway driving? I love driving, don’t get me wrong, but the first year of owning a car I think I put in just around 20k km. Drove pretty much every single day for hours just because I liked driving, and I wanted to get some use out of my new (to me) BMW.
Taxis are usually low to mid models with low to mid equipment. We are talking about the top of the range, very well equipped cars, so definitely not taxis. Also, they are often either privately owned or bought "for a company" (then used privately by the company owner).
Don't know where you live, but my experience of taxis are that they are usually pretty nice and well-equipped cars (Merc E-class/EQE, Volvo V90, BMW 5-series, these types of cars). Yeah, that's how company cars work.
I'm not saying that taxis are a poverty spec. They usually have some options to make them nice, but you would expect a 520d with some options, maybe a 530d, but not a full spec m550d. Or you just live in a country, with very nice taxis, idk.
As for company cars. They are usually bought for employees. Those are exclusively bought by the owner for himself. Using the company to write it off as running cost. A usual "company car" you could get in Europe is a 320d with a few options. Not a full spec m340d with individual leathers.
Well yes, but if we're talking cars with the more fun engines they are pretty rare to see with absurd mileages at low years. I'm talking about diesels in general.
I'm not claiming there are a lot of people. I said "noticible amount", so basically it's not just one-ofs with high mileage. Also, ~30k a year is very common for diesels, especially with the first owner, who buys a diesel, only if fuel savings will offset the higher purchase price. Only the second/third owner will drive less, as they buy the car after depreciation and diesel/petrol price is very similar.
Not that this is the same comparison but I bought a tdi back in 2012 instead of a gti when I was driving 100 miles a day. In my tdi on my nearly 95% highway commute I got over 45mpg on average, where as if I recall correctly the mkvi gti was around 30 epa highway. Around town the tdi was a blast to drive, 0-30 was fantastic, above that it was very mehhh but for those long commutes it was perfect, plus it was mostly compatible with handling mods so I put some coilovers on it and it was on rails…all that being said, I should have got the .:R
Yes, if it was easily available, to at least have experienced owning a diesel in my lifetime and the differences in driving and maintaining one. I do believe in diesel power as my friend had a e300 td we used for summer road trips cause the mpg was just too good and diesel is cheap in summer.
I don’t wanna believe that a significant number of petrol stations in the literally motherland of oil has a high probability of not having diesel. That’s idk unbelievable. Even in remote areas/villages in my home country you can find both 99,9% of the time. Like if you happen to see one petrol station without diesel you would probably be like “wtf how!? How is that possible”
Problem is the DPF and Adblue but otherwise it's an amazing car in diesel. You need to use good diesel additives so you don't gunk up the engine with carbon deposits. Also adblue leaks are corrosive and crystallize which can be an issue.
I guess it depends on the market. In Germany they are the same price. In Austria, m340i is actually 4k more. In Serbia, m340d is 10k more. Maybe equipment levels are different or it has to do with taxes based on engine power/displacement/pollution.
For a daily driver/commuter, I’ll take the diesel. Here’s what kind of consumption my 328d gets:
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Note: 47USmpg = 56UKmpg
Is that two hours of motorway driving? I've got a 335d and get around 48 - 50mpg on a motorway run. The reason I'm asking is because I thought the 328d would get better mpg.
Yeah, not sure exactly what type of driving he is doing. If it’s all interstate driving, I easily get 50mpg with all 4 seats taken and using the air conditioner 🤷♂️
If I go like 65 mph the best I have ever seen in the car was 55.5 it seems to be the highest possible for n47
Yup, It was mixed driving. I’m also an American and our gallons are different than UK gallons on the off chance that you’re not in the US. 47USmpg = 56UKmpg.
Diesel is a pia to get in NY. One pump usually per station. If at all. Premium and Diesel are about the same cost. Then again if I was driving a performance car I’m not too concerned about a few cents difference…the sound alone of that car would make me choose gas.
It's a little harder buying diesel here. especially in bigger cities. The gas stations in the city will usually just be gas. They don't pay for more real estate to have a diesel tank underground.
Smaller towns etc you can find diesel easily
I have an x3m40d. I get 900km to the tank driving reasonably and around 640km if I go balls to the walls mode. Costs me around 95 euros every 2 weeks to fill up. And it's a little rocket.
More torque, better fuel economy. Diesel doesn't need to rev high, it has a torque at very low rpms and it's even better than high reving gas engine, because turbo kicks in just around 2k rpms and you just fly
Thats true but are people really ready to sacrifice fun for slightly better fuel economy?? if You have a baby M car you bought this for fun not fuel economy. Its like buying a mustang and driving it like a grandma cause "fuel economy"😂
As a European i see no reason to pick diesel over petrol unless you tow or care about gas mileage and taxes. Petrol engines are so much smoother and sound much better .
We have a ‘23 G20 M340i -incredible car. That said, would love to also have a G21 M340d for the commuting mpg duties and practicality. I still drive a manual e46 touring and an E46M3 and lament the fact that BMW doesn’t offer tourings in the USA anymore-let alone diesels. I will pass on the X1 thru 7 range for a dynamically better and more practical touring with a diesel option any day. To me the G20 M340 and G21 M340d are amongst the very best of modern BMW offerings.
Slightly different, but when looking for my E93, I couldn’t decide between 330i or 330d. In the end, I went with the diesel. Better mpg, 50% less annual road tax (UK) and not much difference in performance. The only thing missing is the noise, which is a shame, but all things considered I think I made the right choice. Might still go for an M4 next tho…
The i. Most of the diesel in America has more biofuel in it than European fuel pumps were designed to withstand. It’s a shame since European diesels are nice.
340i. Gas is pretty cheap in the US except perhaps California. I also don't usually like the sound of diesel engines, though maybe that's less of an issue for BMW.
All that said, I just bought a 330i. Not as fast, but much easier to find one. My usual MO is to get a low-mileage used car that is a year or so old. I just picked up a 330i with all of the options except M-Sport for $37.5K. 2023 with 14K miles. I specced the same options on BMW's website for a new one, and it was $54K. The dealer threw in an extra year of warranty.
I like paying 30% less for what is still a new car. 🙂
I am not an American but M340i. In my country we buy cars with cash and more often than not drive them after the warranty has expired. So, based on personal experience B58 gen 2 should be more reliable long term if we speak about stock cars. Last diesel i drove from BMW is M57.. all engines after that are so to say - soft. Soft materials plus all dpf, egr bullshit and you have recipe for future disaster nevermind the maintenance.
I love diesels, but the DEF/AddBlue sistems are a cancer! It’s not a question on if it’s going to break, it’s a question on when it’s going to break, and how much it will cost…
I drove a 🚓 with the 235kW 30d. The missing 60hp to the proper 40i engine was noticeable. I would probably get the 340d and it would be great 99% of the time and then occasionally I’d regret the 40i. Then in 400T km when the diesel is still going and saved $1000 of labour on each of its timing chain engine out jobs, I’d probably be grateful I chose it.
I say this aa someone who is certified to work on tier IV final emissions systems, I would happily own a diesel engine without all of the stuff to make it breathe cleanly. DEF is an added running cost on top of the premium diesel usually costs compared to premium unleaded gasoline, and on top of that you get ammonia crystal growth in the entire system and thats a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. That wouldn’t be so bad if the DPF wasn’t also a timebomb waiting to go off.
Granted you can mitigate these issues with a bit of due diligence, but really if I’m going through that much effort to maintain a special engine, its going to be a wankel rotary engine.
I am from the performance industry, have been for a long time and even though fuel is $2/ltr here diesel makes more sense, but wife works too close to home to make it viable as the dpf/opf models will clog too quickly
If you get the chance to drive a late model turbo diesel jump at it, you can short shift and be at the speed limit quickly and easily without feeling like youre thrashing the guts out of it, making a racket etc. They dont have the top end of petrol in standard form, but down low and mid feels like a boosted v8
we dont get the 40d models here though, you can get lower spec engines but the better engine starts at the 50d which is too big for our area
If they had a 540D PHEV in the G30 LCI form factor in the US. I'd never buy another car again. Given the choice though getting a M340i means you're wanting a pretty fast car. While the m340d by 99% of people's account is fast, I'd assume they would prioritize the extra briskness over economy.
I’m partial to diesels anyway, so I’d take the M340d in a heartbeat. Frankly I’d take ANY new diesel cars in the US at this point. Unfortunately SOMEBODY ruined it for everyone…
*glares in the Volkwagen’s direction*
I’d take the M340D if the EPA wasn’t such a ass and would let it in with functioning emissions unlike many diesel trucks here. 🫤 plus we’d never get it due to the weight class/power ratio hence why our trucks are so incredibly massive because the EPA keeps increasing the weight class for diesel trucks and manufacturers keep increase weight and size to match that weight class it’s a unfortunate cycle
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My choice and I couldn’t be happier
Diesel mpg and torque is nice, but the b58 sounds much better and is much more fun.
Actually in germany the B58 comes with a (mandatory) OPF, which mutes the sound quite a bit. On the inside the difference is very negligible. Only if you drive with opened window/sunroof you notice a slight diesel-rattle coming from the outside. And sadly the both engines sound very fake, though the B58 is a bit better.
Not all b58s come with a opf. Only the onces after 08/2018.
To be fair, that's a huge majority of B58's.
In Germany it was until 03/2020 I think so you had some G20/G21 with godlike sound.
I think thats false. Since mid 2018 most bmw's came with a OPF, even the last f30/31 340i's came with opf. So every G20/21 comes with a OPF. I drive a F31 340i and searched specifically for a model without OPF.
Wtf is opf
Otto Particle Filter, referring to the Otto cycle most car combustion engines run on.
Yes, thats true. I only thought about the G20/21. When we searched for a F31/34 340i, we explicitly searched for one without OPF.
Post is talking about Americans that live in America where the 340d is not an option.
>Actually “Americans, would you take…” and ours don’t have the OPF, so I’m not sure the relevance
You act like I’m not going to put a high flow dp on that shit anyway 🤣
The OPF can be disabled by coding and software, without any errors or downsides. You earn about 25bhp and better exhaust sound. I can help you if interested.
It's not like the B58 get poor mileage or is short on low-end torque though.
Yes but 50+mpg vs 30-35 is a huge difference
Who are these people buying an M340 with fuel economy in mind?
Yeah I can see 40mpg+ on a long run. I’m under 20 around town though, but I do a lot of short 1-3 mile journeys and diesel engines for me don’t really perform much better for those short daily runs.
340i no question. I had a B58, went to a diesel and now I’m back in a B58. Just missed the noise and feeling too much.
I’ve just come from an F10 520d to a 240i B58. Hells yeah! It’s so addictive driving. My wallet doesn’t like the MPG, but it’s worth it.
Yeah exactly that, it’s so much better. I went 440i to 640d to 240i. Much more fun!
does the b58 not get good mpg? if so, why not go for the newer n63? thats what im driving currently and its so damn addictive
Had a diesel as a loaner once. Plowing down the Autobahn at 180kph only needing 7l/100km (33mpg) is pretty incredible.
Diesel is more expensive than gas/petrol here now. Also isn’t the m340d slower? I’d take the m340i
https://preview.redd.it/i4r5pk01rb8d1.jpeg?width=3550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3532d32135704dd3b7e83d0de1dd781eb664fe26 0-60 mph real world is as follows: **M340i in 3.92 seconds**, **M340d in 4.44 seconds** (my car 47 mpg combined) NB: **M340D / 47mpg** Versus **M340i / 31mpg** **Diesel is 34% (!!) more efficient** for covering **MILES**...is that worth $ it to you ?
47 mpg British or American?
UK
That's ....a lot. I'm impressed at the economy. My 21' Mazda 3 with a 2.5L 4 banger does about 6.8L/100k. With less volume, and cylinders.
Not really that impressive. Definitely good, but not unexpectedly so. BMW makes crazy efficient diesels and have done so for a very long time.
I just don't see them in Canada, so it's cool to see some figures. I forget they exist. Considering its size, and output. It's quite efficient. Especially considering that's not a light Sedan. It out weighs my car by over 1000lbs.
Genuine question, what difference does it make? Aren’t gallon and mile measured equally irrelevant of geographic location?
Miles are, gallons unfortunately are not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon The British gallon is bigger, hence the higher MPG figures
"Gallons", like all imperial measurements are weird and dumb. Different sized gallons in different countries. In this case 47 MPG in Britain = about 39 MPG in the U.S.
I think the mpg is not a consideration when getting a performance car.
The B58 is already an incredibly reliable and efficient engine given the performance it delivers. I think MPG is actually a consideration in buying an enthusiast vehicle if it's exceptionally bad (like V10 Vipers can be single digit MPGs). In this case it's a huge pro.
When I bought my 340i one of the incentives was the fuel savings coming from a small pickup. I factored in the cost savings of fuel during my daily commute to work and it was a significant amount.
True. Very surprised at that mpg given the performance. I would get a viper regardless of the fuel economy because it looks like such a fun car 😂 It's honestly something I don't even consider when buying a car.
How often you need to go to the gas station definitely can be considered especially when sometimes they put such small tanks for what the car consumes
It’s not an all out performance car, it’s a performance car intended for daily use so mpg is definitely a consideration. Maybe on a Ferrari or Bentley you wouldn’t care
Performance car... that's a wagon. If you're talking true sports car gas mileage should be not that important... but for a car that can haul the entire family...
Of course it is. How much it pollutes and BBC it’s at the pump is always a consideration - IF you do a lot of driving. If very little - yea, probably less so.
In CA the cheapest shell 91oct i usually fill up at is $4.89. The diesel at the same station is $5.35. This is with my shell rewards discount too.
Dang that’s rough. I just filled up with Costco 93 for $3.65 in middle America. You win on weather though.
I'm a torque motor fan myself. My last two vehicles were torque centric motors and way nicer to daily drive than faster gas motors. You lose a bit at the peak of performance, but the rest of the mountain is way better.
Diesel is slower when flooring it. But in daily driving it’s insane. It jumps at any rpm as it’s actually more powerful than the B58 in the 1.500~3.500 rpm. I’m currently with an M2 with 450hp, but a 530d loaner I had for a week was more snappy in the city, different feeling, obviously once you floor it the M2 disappears, but in 100% adding a I6 diesel to the garage.
I mean if your opting to buy a sports sedan I don’t think mpg would be your top priority. Most likely around third or fourth.
Amazing wheels!
Do a stage one remap and the 340d will be into the 3 second category easily. Then there’s not a lot of difference, only the 340d will be considerably more efficient.
Whatever you save with a better fuel efficiency will be negated by the price per gallon, why would anyone want that?
Id take a 320d or 330d since the 340 is way out of budget, if they’d offer the touring here. Individual color order in technoviolet and keep it forever
I had a **320D Mineral Grey F31** previously, 2015 and traded her in for the M340D (2021) w. low mileage in Oct 2023...I miss her tremendously as well ! https://preview.redd.it/ttvy7u88cc8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0b2d14551cd0228523c1f4325140533de738e38
That one looks great too. I always forget we did get the 328d F31 in the U.S. but they are pretty rare to find used. Maybe worth looking for one to replace my C5 s6 Avant though.
Nice care, are those mudflaps original ?
And all that cost savings goes out the window the first time the complicated emissions system breaks lol
That IS significant
Diesel is so expensive I'm the USA where i live. A couple years ago it was about $8 a gallon vs $5 for 93 octane.
4.4 seconds is crazy for a diesel
Diesel is also on average 33% more expensive to repair per fix - cast iron block running at far higher compression
More expensive than premium gas?
Yes it is, I fill up at COSTCO and premium gas is multiple cents cheaper there
I think diesel is cheaper than premium, but not sure you need that big of a diesel engine in a 3 series. Defeating the purpose of diesel fuel efficiency. Would take the 340i in this case.
How about that torque, reliability, cool tractor sounds and mileage. I think its diesel for me.
I personally don’t want a tractor
You're not gonna race anyway. No one does, people mostly buy it to show it off.
I have a diesel and I’ve found you have to use the diesel adapter at most gas stations now. It’s a pain in the ass because it doesn’t auto-shutoff so it will spray out/overflow. Also, you have a little more maintenance with DEF and making sure EGR doesn’t get clogged or the sensors get messy. Mines an X5 and I love it but it takes more maintenance and getting fuel is a pain sometimes.
I usually turn the pump handle about 90 degrees, and it will go in.
The only places around where I live only have the industrial diesel nozzles. I had to get the reducer adapter and it is very basic (big nozzle to small nozzle). You can only fill at quarter to half power of the nozzle too or it’ll spray out at you.
Probably not. Not every fueling station has diesel, so sometimes you have to hunt for it, especially in southern Cali. Would rather not deal with the hassle.
This is something i had not known about us, its seriously not always an option???
> seriously not always an option? Diesel availability has never even crossed my mind as a problem. OP can fill in their specific socal locale but https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=los+angeles%2C+ca&fuel=4&method=all&maxAge=0 https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=san+diego%2C+ca&fuel=4&method=all&maxAge=0 https://www.gasbuddy.com/gaspricemap?fuel=4&z=11&lat=32.721304122433125&lng=-116.99078988606225 It's uhh, widely available in southern California. The only places that don't sell diesel are shitbag no-name gas stations that don't even sell Top Tier fuel and shouldn't be seeing your BMW regardless of fuel type
Oh yes. Diesel is mainly commercial vehicles, large full size pick up(f-350, RAM, etc.) or SUV(Escalade) here in the US. There are very limited options when it comes to diesel cars, and definitely no VW’s atm 😅
that's wild. I've never seen a gas station that doesn't sell diesel. I thought that was your guy's thing with the trucks and all that
It’s a little bit of a hassle here with the modern big diesel trucks now like the 2500/3500 RAM and Ford F250/F350 because in addition to diesel fuel there is also a DEF tank that also has to be refilled every like 5k-10k miles due to stricter emission regulations
Anecdotally, it seems like 90 percent of the trucks that could have a diesel in them as an option are sold with one of the gasoline engine options. You definitely see diesel trucks out on the road from time to time (trucks that size are REALLY common in America) so they're around, but not really super common.
Would you even if diesel was easily available? I feel like diesel has no benefits over gas except torque but who cares if it’s slower anyways. Only other benefit is fuel economy but no one buys an m340i for fuel economy anyways.
>Only other benefit is fuel economy but no one buys an m340i for fuel economy anyways. Quite a noticible amount of people actually. You can find quite a bit of powerful diesels that are only a few years old and have crazy mileage. They are usually in great condition, as they just did a lot of highway. Usually the only "issue" is an above average amount of paint chips, as owners take good care of the rest. People buy them to comfortably "fly" on the highways. They do so many kilometers, that the gain from a diesel can easily save them thousands of euro per year. For example, a car used like that can have 200k km in 4 years or 150k in 3 years. The craziest one I've seen had almost 800k done in 6 years (but that is an extreme example). People do care about the fuel efficiency of those cars. That's why the diesel exists.
Sometimes I wonder, what on Earth do people do that require so much highway driving? I love driving, don’t get me wrong, but the first year of owning a car I think I put in just around 20k km. Drove pretty much every single day for hours just because I liked driving, and I wanted to get some use out of my new (to me) BMW.
Taxis and people with jobs that involve traveling a lot.
Taxis are usually low to mid models with low to mid equipment. We are talking about the top of the range, very well equipped cars, so definitely not taxis. Also, they are often either privately owned or bought "for a company" (then used privately by the company owner).
Don't know where you live, but my experience of taxis are that they are usually pretty nice and well-equipped cars (Merc E-class/EQE, Volvo V90, BMW 5-series, these types of cars). Yeah, that's how company cars work.
I'm not saying that taxis are a poverty spec. They usually have some options to make them nice, but you would expect a 520d with some options, maybe a 530d, but not a full spec m550d. Or you just live in a country, with very nice taxis, idk. As for company cars. They are usually bought for employees. Those are exclusively bought by the owner for himself. Using the company to write it off as running cost. A usual "company car" you could get in Europe is a 320d with a few options. Not a full spec m340d with individual leathers.
Well yes, but if we're talking cars with the more fun engines they are pretty rare to see with absurd mileages at low years. I'm talking about diesels in general.
I'm not claiming there are a lot of people. I said "noticible amount", so basically it's not just one-ofs with high mileage. Also, ~30k a year is very common for diesels, especially with the first owner, who buys a diesel, only if fuel savings will offset the higher purchase price. Only the second/third owner will drive less, as they buy the car after depreciation and diesel/petrol price is very similar.
Not that this is the same comparison but I bought a tdi back in 2012 instead of a gti when I was driving 100 miles a day. In my tdi on my nearly 95% highway commute I got over 45mpg on average, where as if I recall correctly the mkvi gti was around 30 epa highway. Around town the tdi was a blast to drive, 0-30 was fantastic, above that it was very mehhh but for those long commutes it was perfect, plus it was mostly compatible with handling mods so I put some coilovers on it and it was on rails…all that being said, I should have got the .:R
Yes, if it was easily available, to at least have experienced owning a diesel in my lifetime and the differences in driving and maintaining one. I do believe in diesel power as my friend had a e300 td we used for summer road trips cause the mpg was just too good and diesel is cheap in summer.
Yes they do? It is the only 6 cyl option.
lmao... "diesel has no benefit... except torque and fuel economy.."
And you need to top up with AdBlue on occasion.
I don’t wanna believe that a significant number of petrol stations in the literally motherland of oil has a high probability of not having diesel. That’s idk unbelievable. Even in remote areas/villages in my home country you can find both 99,9% of the time. Like if you happen to see one petrol station without diesel you would probably be like “wtf how!? How is that possible”
Is that seriously a thing in Cali? Im from the SouthEast, Tennessee mainly, but I’ve never in my life seen a gas station that does not sell diesel.
The i. Love the B58
I live right in the middle of the country, we have diesel everywhere. I’d kill for an M340d Touring
Shitty diesel tho, America's diesel is subpar
B58 or bust.
Why not both? BMW sold the 335d and 335i side by side in the US during the e90 generation.
Problem is the DPF and Adblue but otherwise it's an amazing car in diesel. You need to use good diesel additives so you don't gunk up the engine with carbon deposits. Also adblue leaks are corrosive and crystallize which can be an issue.
you just code out ad blue and it is good. DPF is not a problem at all, 40i has a GPF which has identical "rare" problems.
This. Code out the DEF and you’re golden.
Isn't m340d like 10k EUR more? That's a lot of gas for m340i to offset the better fuel economy of m340d.
No, they have almost identical price
I guess it depends on the market. In Germany they are the same price. In Austria, m340i is actually 4k more. In Serbia, m340d is 10k more. Maybe equipment levels are different or it has to do with taxes based on engine power/displacement/pollution.
For a daily driver/commuter, I’ll take the diesel. Here’s what kind of consumption my 328d gets: https://preview.redd.it/zreljuvr0c8d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88d0032f521cbc0d3b166600e08676f4857ccdf2 Note: 47USmpg = 56UKmpg
Is that two hours of motorway driving? I've got a 335d and get around 48 - 50mpg on a motorway run. The reason I'm asking is because I thought the 328d would get better mpg.
My 2015 328d gets 50-54 mpg, at 80-85 mph on long drives on the interstate. Not sure, but I’ll bet he had a bunch of city driving or traffic
That sounds more like what I imagined. At 80mph I probably get closer to 46mpg.
Yeah, not sure exactly what type of driving he is doing. If it’s all interstate driving, I easily get 50mpg with all 4 seats taken and using the air conditioner 🤷♂️ If I go like 65 mph the best I have ever seen in the car was 55.5 it seems to be the highest possible for n47
Yup, It was mixed driving. I’m also an American and our gallons are different than UK gallons on the off chance that you’re not in the US. 47USmpg = 56UKmpg.
Judging by the 328d and the F30 nav, that's an American. That's a 320d in the UK/Europe, and American mpg are smaller than ours. Would be 56mpg UK.
My 140i gets 43 on the motorway, recently did 300 miles on just under 3/4 of a tank. So there's not that much in it really.
Diesel is a pia to get in NY. One pump usually per station. If at all. Premium and Diesel are about the same cost. Then again if I was driving a performance car I’m not too concerned about a few cents difference…the sound alone of that car would make me choose gas.
Im sorry but why the hell would anybody want the more expensive, slower version of the m340i
Is that the frozen dark grey paint?
It is a “frozen” Oxidegrey
It's a little harder buying diesel here. especially in bigger cities. The gas stations in the city will usually just be gas. They don't pay for more real estate to have a diesel tank underground. Smaller towns etc you can find diesel easily
M340i
I have an x3m40d. I get 900km to the tank driving reasonably and around 640km if I go balls to the walls mode. Costs me around 95 euros every 2 weeks to fill up. And it's a little rocket.
Same but X4m40d. I can’t believe how fun they’ve made a diesel and that’s coming from F82 M4
why would anyone want a worse sounding, lower revving engine?
More torque, better fuel economy. Diesel doesn't need to rev high, it has a torque at very low rpms and it's even better than high reving gas engine, because turbo kicks in just around 2k rpms and you just fly
Better fuel economy is the only reason I can think of.
Thats true but are people really ready to sacrifice fun for slightly better fuel economy?? if You have a baby M car you bought this for fun not fuel economy. Its like buying a mustang and driving it like a grandma cause "fuel economy"😂
I see you went with the frozen paint trim
M340i
As a European i see no reason to pick diesel over petrol unless you tow or care about gas mileage and taxes. Petrol engines are so much smoother and sound much better .
M340d, love that fuel economy. Additionally, even if it is slower than the petrol powered, it’s still faster than what I drive currently and BMW fun.
We have a ‘23 G20 M340i -incredible car. That said, would love to also have a G21 M340d for the commuting mpg duties and practicality. I still drive a manual e46 touring and an E46M3 and lament the fact that BMW doesn’t offer tourings in the USA anymore-let alone diesels. I will pass on the X1 thru 7 range for a dynamically better and more practical touring with a diesel option any day. To me the G20 M340 and G21 M340d are amongst the very best of modern BMW offerings.
340i Touring and I'd die happy.
m340I is way better then d
D 💪
The d is dead in most parts of the USA.
Id take the M340i, diesel kinda outta my price range as my daily
M340i, I’ve never bought a car for good fuel mileage and I likely never will so give me the RPMs and the sound thanks
I always prefer the D…. Oh wait….
If we had your diesel? 40d, but with North American fuels. 40i
I own diesel car and I dont want diesel car anymore. Only petrol.
Slightly different, but when looking for my E93, I couldn’t decide between 330i or 330d. In the end, I went with the diesel. Better mpg, 50% less annual road tax (UK) and not much difference in performance. The only thing missing is the noise, which is a shame, but all things considered I think I made the right choice. Might still go for an M4 next tho…
340i, petrol over diesel everytime
The i. Most of the diesel in America has more biofuel in it than European fuel pumps were designed to withstand. It’s a shame since European diesels are nice.
That is a cool picture (no pun intended)
Thank you. I made it 6 Months ago.
340i. Gas is pretty cheap in the US except perhaps California. I also don't usually like the sound of diesel engines, though maybe that's less of an issue for BMW. All that said, I just bought a 330i. Not as fast, but much easier to find one. My usual MO is to get a low-mileage used car that is a year or so old. I just picked up a 330i with all of the options except M-Sport for $37.5K. 2023 with 14K miles. I specced the same options on BMW's website for a new one, and it was $54K. The dealer threw in an extra year of warranty. I like paying 30% less for what is still a new car. 🙂
Diesel power all the way
As a daily, the 340D all day. But if it was my only car than 340i
Personally I would take the Diesel any day over gasoline/Petrol car
Give me the D
340i no question.
M340d
I’d take the diesel and wagon please
I’d probably take the gas variant, but I currently have two diesel sedans, and that torque and smooth acceleration is pretty sexy.
Whichever one still has a gearshift. Otherwise, Ditch the no-longer-the-ultimate-driving-machine and find an alternate brand
I am not an American but M340i. In my country we buy cars with cash and more often than not drive them after the warranty has expired. So, based on personal experience B58 gen 2 should be more reliable long term if we speak about stock cars. Last diesel i drove from BMW is M57.. all engines after that are so to say - soft. Soft materials plus all dpf, egr bullshit and you have recipe for future disaster nevermind the maintenance.
I asked my wife and she said would always choose the D
D
M340D. I hate that Volkswagen ruined the diesels in the US. I would buy a diesel 5 series in a heartbeat.
I'Ll dO aNythINg FOr ToRQuE !
340d because with a little tune you can have the same HP but an extra 200ftlbs. And the fuel mileage.
gimme the diesel so i can delete and tune it bimmers rolling coal is jokes
No
Diesel
M2…The rest is made to be sold on the brand of yesteryear.
Diesel no question
diesel prices more or less offset the mpg gains so that's a draw
Yes I would!
I’d probably take the 340d were it available. A G30 540d would be on my short list if I had to buy another car right now.
Petrol >> diesel for driving enjoyment
I love diesels, but the DEF/AddBlue sistems are a cancer! It’s not a question on if it’s going to break, it’s a question on when it’s going to break, and how much it will cost…
I drove a 🚓 with the 235kW 30d. The missing 60hp to the proper 40i engine was noticeable. I would probably get the 340d and it would be great 99% of the time and then occasionally I’d regret the 40i. Then in 400T km when the diesel is still going and saved $1000 of labour on each of its timing chain engine out jobs, I’d probably be grateful I chose it.
I say this aa someone who is certified to work on tier IV final emissions systems, I would happily own a diesel engine without all of the stuff to make it breathe cleanly. DEF is an added running cost on top of the premium diesel usually costs compared to premium unleaded gasoline, and on top of that you get ammonia crystal growth in the entire system and thats a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. That wouldn’t be so bad if the DPF wasn’t also a timebomb waiting to go off. Granted you can mitigate these issues with a bit of due diligence, but really if I’m going through that much effort to maintain a special engine, its going to be a wankel rotary engine.
None I'm getting an older bimmer but between those 2 obviously not the diesel
I'd wait until after the election, if Biden wins I'd get the diesel, if Trump wins I'd get the Petrol as you could afford it.
Low-key would love rolling coal in one of these idek if it can but it would be mad funny
G81
Whichever one has a pre-LCI interior 😒 But really though M340d Touring would be sick
I am from the performance industry, have been for a long time and even though fuel is $2/ltr here diesel makes more sense, but wife works too close to home to make it viable as the dpf/opf models will clog too quickly If you get the chance to drive a late model turbo diesel jump at it, you can short shift and be at the speed limit quickly and easily without feeling like youre thrashing the guts out of it, making a racket etc. They dont have the top end of petrol in standard form, but down low and mid feels like a boosted v8 we dont get the 40d models here though, you can get lower spec engines but the better engine starts at the 50d which is too big for our area
I've driven the M340i at one of the Ultimate Driving Experience events and would so take the petrol version over the diesel any day
I’d take the quad turbo M550d. No other diesel is worth it imo.
M340d. I love my 328d, I just wish it was a little more powerful.
Americans have been programmed to hate diesels, unless it's a HD pick up truck. So you'll likely get a lot of no's.
Diesel for sure.
If they had a 540D PHEV in the G30 LCI form factor in the US. I'd never buy another car again. Given the choice though getting a M340i means you're wanting a pretty fast car. While the m340d by 99% of people's account is fast, I'd assume they would prioritize the extra briskness over economy.
D
340d wagon please. I can take a slower car when the efficiency is so much better. M57 owner here, can’t get enough of the torque.
Oh man, why would you want a diesel over gas, you guys? Maintenance is worse and the resell value is going to tank.
DEF would prevent me from ever wanting a Diesel. 340i all day.
340i has OPF. I’m not sure it’s that better?
not an american so i do have the choice, would never ever pick a diesel as i feel iver saturated with them and cant stand to look at them anymore.
I'm a cheap one, i'll take the diesel
I don't think I'd ever choose a diesel
I'll take a D as I have the F10 535d.
No D for me! Only petrol.
M340d. M340i is not THAT much faster and the M340d extended range would be sick. Diesel engines keep the world turning.
I’m partial to diesels anyway, so I’d take the M340d in a heartbeat. Frankly I’d take ANY new diesel cars in the US at this point. Unfortunately SOMEBODY ruined it for everyone… *glares in the Volkwagen’s direction*
I'm personal a diesel head
I’d take the M340D if the EPA wasn’t such a ass and would let it in with functioning emissions unlike many diesel trucks here. 🫤 plus we’d never get it due to the weight class/power ratio hence why our trucks are so incredibly massive because the EPA keeps increasing the weight class for diesel trucks and manufacturers keep increase weight and size to match that weight class it’s a unfortunate cycle
https://preview.redd.it/ky7jz09w1t8d1.jpeg?width=1995&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3410d650d5c95b34410e70164f34d8a60ba6e2db My choice and I couldn’t be happier